bonjour et merci pour ce qui m'avait répondu sur mon post précedent
j'ai longuement affiné mon itinéraire (21 jours 21 ados 3 adutes )avec mon groupe d'ados et je voulais vous le soumettre savoir ce que vous en pensez avec quelques questions diverses
Notre aventure commencera à l’aéroport de Paris ou nous prendrons l’avion pour la capitale Islandaise « Reykjavik »
Un bus nous emmènera sur notre premier camping ou nous nous installerons pour 2 jours ; nous visiterons la ville et les alentours…nous prendrons le temps pour nous organiser et préparer le reste de notre itinéraire au travers de ce fabuleux pays.
Après Reykjavik (1) nous remonterons vers le l’ouest vers la Péninsule de Snaefellsnes (2) (c’est la région d’où commence les fabuleuses aventures de jules Verne « voyage au centre de la terre »)
Nous poursuivrons notre route en Ferry vers « les fjord du Nord » ou nous ferons une halte sur l’Ile plate à Flatey (3). C’est une minuscule île balayée par les vents, paradis pour les ornithologues, entourées par plus de 2700 récits.
Nous passerons la nuit à Brjanslaeskur (4), le lendemain randonnée et découverte dans cette région. Le soir où le lendemain un bus nous conduira encore plus au nord à Isafjordur(5) une mégapole de 3500 habitants ; une des plus grande ville du pays ; Un bon coin pour faire le plein des provisions, des rondos une visite du musée de la marine….
Nous prendrons un bus pour Stadarskàli (6) puis un autre pour nous emmènera à Akureyri (7) la seconde ville du pays. Une charmante cité avec ses belles demeures colorées ou il fait bon s’arrêter un petit moment….Des moments de détente des plongeons dans des piscines….des ballades
Un petit détour encore plus au nord très poche du cercle polaire vers Kopasker Raufarhofn (8) puis reviendrons vers Akureyri
Notre périple se poursuivra vers la région des Lac de Mytvan (9) un au lieu du volcanisme, partout, les cratères, les champs de lave, les sources d’eau chaude et les fumerolles trahissent la proximité de la fracture de l’écorces terrestre qui lentement mais inexorablement déchire l’Islande.
Nous passerons plusieurs jours dans ce lieu afin de découvrir tous les mystères de la région
De Myvatn nous rejoindrons Egilssadir (10) pour un arrêt course puis après une nuit passée dans cette petite ville nous irons en direction du Sud à Skaftafell (11) Une des merveille du monde un grand lac profond de 200m formé par une langue glacière du Vatnajorkull (12) et son parc nationnal
Apres deux trois jours d’excursion nous rejoindrons le parc de Landmannalaugar (14) un autre site grandiose et volcanique !!!
De nombreuses randos et baignade dans des « hot spot » au programme de cette région
Du parc de Landmannalaugar nous nous rapprocherons de la capital nous nous arrêterons à Selfoss pour deux jour d’excursion dans des lieux magnifiques et très célèbres : La vallée de þorsmork puis à Geysir (15)ou nous verrons les les fameux geyser
La fin de notre périple approchant, nous rejoindrons Reykjavik pour les
dernières visites puis nous prélasser le dernier jour au « bleu Lagoon » Blàa lonið (16)
et au petit matin un dernier bus nous conduira a l’aéroport pour rejoindre Paris
question diverses : a partir de ces ville village y a t'il des rando...ou faut souvent reprendre un Bus pour partir explorer les allentours
ces lieux vous semble t'il intéressant ?
Est ce que j'ai oublier "LE TRUC INCONTOURNABLE" de ce tres beau pays...
"Le truc" sur la tva remboursable marche t'il pour les transports en commun et la nourriture ?
bon j'ai encore des milliers de questions à vous poser mais je dois maintenant me consacrer à mon deuxieme séjour en Août dans les pays Baltes toujours avec des ados.
Super programme ! Ton groupe va en prendre plein la vue !
Je trouve que tu zappes un peu vite entre (4) Brjanslaeskur (où il n'y a strictement rien à part le débarcadère) et le soir où le lendemain l'arrivée à Isafjordur (5) ... Il y a tant de choses à voir entre les deux ! Les falaises de Latrabjarg, les chutes de Dynjandi, le site de Hrafnseyri ...
Entre le (14) et le (15) tu as aussi un sacré raccourci même en deux jours comme tu prévois. Dans le secteur de Geysir ne rate pas les chutes de Gullfoss qui sont parmi les plus belles et les plus spectaculaires du monde, ainsi que le site de Thingvellir dont l'intérêt est à la fois historique et tectonique, à cheval sur les plaques Europe et Amérique ...
La difficulté sera peut-être pour rejoindre les départs de rando à partir des lieux d'hébergement. Si tu as un bus en permanence à ta disposition ok, sinon avec un groupe de cette taille les trajets d'approche ne seront pas évidents à organiser.
😇 Pour le ravito ça va pas être de la tarte non plus avec 24 affamés chroniques comme tu vas avoir ... ! Essaie d'acheter dans les supérettes "Bonus" (enseigne cochon rose), c'est 20 % moins cher qu'ailleurs.
La carte des "Bonus" ici : http://www.nat.is/bonus_store_iceland.htm
Pour la détaxe TVA, non ça ne marche pas pour les transports en commun ni la nourriture 😉 ! J'ai vu que JG07 t'a fait une réponse super-détaillée ici :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=592950#592950
tu as cerné une de mes principales contraintes ...c'est que je n'ai pas le dit "bus" pour me rendre sur les départs de rando ou sur les sites en questions....
je ne vais fonctionner qu'avec les bus de ligne ou ceux d'escurtion ....enfin vu le prix de certain il va falloir négocier
à ce propos je sais pas trop si j'ai choisi les bon itinéraires surtout comme tu me l'indiques entre (4) Brjanslaeskur et Isafjordur (5)....cette région m'attirait un peu car personne n'y va vraiment...
ensuite je ne sais pas encore si mes ados seront des gros sportifs...lol
si je n'ai pas trop de possibilités je m'eterniserai plus vers la région des Lac de Mytvan ou et Landmannalaugar
je sais pas trop se que tu en penses ?
pour Thingvellir je ne l'avais pas remarqué d'apres les guide du routard il n'y a pas de bus de ligne qui y vont seulement un qui fait le tour complet entre Gulfoss et Geysir
y a t'il un autre endroit on l'on passe au dessus des deux plaques tectoniques ?
mon sens de départ vers le nord du pays c'est un bon choi ou s'est égal?
merci d'avance et aussi pour toutes les infos dispo sur ton carnet de voyage
lionel
Je pense en effet que si tu n'as pas de bus à ta disposition tu peux peut-être laisser tomber la région des fjords du Nord-Ouest. Tu ne vas faire que la traverser et dans ces conditions ça n'a pas grand intérêt ...
En revanche, ne laisse pas de côté la péninsule du Snaefell. Elle est bien desservie par une ligne de bus avec dê nombreux arrêts. Magnifique rando côtière à faire entre Arnastapi et Hellnar.
Pour voir le contact entre les plaques tectoniques Europe et Amérique, un des sites les plus impressionnants est Eldgjá (piste entre Kirjubaerjarklaustur et Landmannalaugar). Une ligne de bus 4x4 y passe et fait un arrêt assez long sur le site d'Eldgjá.
Tu as raison de vouloir t'attarder sur les sites du Lac Myvatn et de Landmannalaugar. Ils sont parmi les plus beaux et surtout les plus représentatifs de l'Islande, et les randos à faire dans ces deux secteurs sont nombreuses + baignades dans les bassins d'eau chaude.
bonjour et merci pour ces nouveaux renseignements
je fais une réunion ce we avec mes animatrices ....
je te tiens au courant des évolution deu parcours
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We’re planning a short trip at the end of July to explore the legendary mountains and valleys of the Bernese Oberland: round trip from Nancy (Swiss highway vignette planned), 2 nights in a room with a small kitchen in Adelboden, then 2 nights in a hotel at the Gletscherblick in Grindelwald, both with half-board included.
Could you share some tips on the best road routes to take, as well as some walking hikes (we’re not as fit as we used to be, so nothing longer than 2-3 hours)? Maybe also 1 or 2 cable car rides—I was thinking of Oeschinensee Lake above Kandersteg and the First gondola above Grindelwald for better panoramic views of the Eiger, Mönch, and Jungfrau... all while keeping it doable with our schedule. We’ve ruled out the "premium" trip up to the Jungfraujoch for this time.
I’m also guessing that paying to access Wengen or Mürren only makes sense if we’re staying there for a few days, right?
- Is the road through the narrow valley of the White Lütschine toward Lauterbrunnen and beyond still worth it in terms of views and scenery?
On the way back, if we have a little time to explore Bern’s historic old town, what’s the best parking plan for a 1- or 2-hour stop?
Thanks in advance for your advice, fellow travelers familiar with this beautiful region! 😉
Hi there, my husband and I are planning a trip to Iceland in mid-October 2026.
Would you have any advice on the best places to visit for a first trip to this destination? Thanks
Amazing trip in May 2026: fantastic landscapes, such a different vibe from our other journeys, wonderful memories, but...
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To this day, only our inquiry with the car rental company has informed us of a "speeding ticket" message. More than a month later, we still don’t know the "severity" of the offense or the amount of the fine we’ll be "hit with."
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I’ve found some great deals on flights to two destinations: Menorca in the Balearic Islands and Alghero in Sardinia.
The flights would take us from Bordeaux to Menorca on the evening of 9/07 and return to Bordeaux in the evening on 13/07.
Or to Alghero very early on 10/07 (departure at 6 AM) and return in the mid-afternoon on 13/07.
We love beautiful landscapes, the sea, snorkeling, walks (hiking), and the charm of villages.
We want to spend some quality time as a couple without our kids and mix discovery with relaxation.
I can’t make up my mind. The transport costs are roughly the same when you factor in parking for Sardinia since the early departure means no public transport from home.
We’ve never been to Menorca, Sardinia, or Italy at all. I’ve been to Majorca, though.
Menorca would be 4 nights and 4 days, while Alghero would be 3 nights and 2.5 days.
Also, what itinerary would you recommend for Alghero and Menorca?
Where to stay?
Thank you so much for your insightful traveler tips.
Hi,
I’ll be in Barcelona at the end of October.
I can choose to be there over the weekend or during the week. Probably 4 nights.
Is there a big difference in terms of crowds in the city and in the museums?
Little or no difference would simplify my itinerary on the way.
Hi there,
I’ll be in Rome from April 1st to 13th, 2026—it’s coming up fast!
I’ve been searching online for tickets to visit the Borghese Gallery, but either there’s no availability or the tickets offered are ridiculously expensive.
Could someone guide me to a website where I can book 2 skip-the-line tickets (I’ve heard you have to reserve in advance online)?
Hi everyone,
I rented a car through Klaus Wagen, picking it up in downtown Porto and returning it in downtown Lisbon.
After paying, I read some pretty negative reviews about them.
So, can anyone reassure me with positive experiences they’ve had with them?
Thanks in advance!
Hello, VoyageForum friends, and happy holidays!
I’m planning a trip with my 19-year-old grandson to Milan for Easter Saturday, Sunday, and Monday in 2025.
I’d love your insights on what we can visit in Milan that would interest both my grandson and me (I’m 75). Of course, I’m thinking of the must-sees, but not just those—cozy little restaurants, trendy neighborhoods, and anything else you’d recommend. I’m also looking for a comfortable hotel in the city center that isn’t too expensive!
I’m sure the VoyageForum community will help me uncover some hidden gems! Looking forward to your replies.
Hi there,
I’m heading to Setúbal at the end of June with my granddaughter, and I can’t seem to find clear info on the best way to get from Lisbon Airport to Setúbal. It looks like there’s a train or bus, but I can’t find the exact names of the bus (or train) companies or the precise departure points. Thanks if anyone can help me out! 😉 Just to clarify, I’m on a tight budget and have already ruled out taxis or similar options.
Hello,
We’re heading to Puglia at the end of May. We’re a senior couple. We arrive in Bari, where we’ve booked accommodation for 2 nights. We’ve rented a car.
Day 1: Bari
Day 2: Polignano a Mare – Monopoli
Day 3: Ostuni – Brindisi
Day 4: Lecce
Day 5 & 6: Exploring the coast from Otranto to Santa Maria di Leuca
Day 7 & 8: Gallipoli area
Day 9 & 10: Matera
We’re considering renting a place near Lecce for 5 days and using it as a base to explore the region.
Hi there,
I visited the Faroe Islands in late March 2026 for about ten days. I was invited by a friend who lives near Tórshavn, so I don’t have any info on tourist accommodations or car rentals. Still, I’d like to share a few thoughts about my trip:
- Before leaving, I consulted travel guides and blogs. I was surprised by how repetitive and unoriginal the featured sites were. This leads hurried travelers to follow the same overcrowded routes, which can annoy locals. I found that all Faroese villages were interesting—they reflect the country’s identity, even without the iconic grass-roofed houses. Those are indeed harmonious and beautiful, but they feel like an exotic cliché. For activities, I loved the lively ports that keep the country running.
- I was annoyed by the paid trails in tourist spots. Locals explained that these paths cross private land, and owners are responsible for maintenance and safety. There are plenty of free trails, too—signs at the start detail their features. While not alarmist, the extreme and unpredictable weather is a key factor to consider before setting out.
- The wind’s strength really impressed me. The architecture, with doors and windows opening outward to prevent gusts from blowing roofs off, speaks to the harsh climate. Some days, relentless rain and squalls made going outside unappealing. I realized that in this country, it’s best to plan for flexible indoor days.
- Distances are relatively short. I was happy to be based near Tórshavn because it was easy to explore one or more places in a day. The roads are in great condition. In late March, diesel was 2 €. Tunnel tolls can add up (~26 € per crossing), making a fixed base less practical than I’d thought.
- Everyone agrees: the landscapes are breathtaking. Nature feels untamed here—except for the short grass, thanks to all the woolly sheep.
- The flight from Paris to the Faroe Islands (and back) was long in March—11 hours with three legs: Paris-Amsterdam, Amsterdam-Copenhagen, Copenhagen-Vágar. In bad weather, Vágar Airport can close, causing delays. During tourist season, Atlantic Airways offers a direct Paris-Faroe Islands flight, which is more comfortable and cheaper.
- I found a book recommendation in a guide that fascinated me after my trip: *Les collectionneurs d'images* by Joanes Nielsen. Through its sometimes caricatured characters, it offers a glimpse into Faroese mentalities from the 1950s to 1970s—attitudes that likely persist today.
In conclusion, I’ve traveled a lot and I’m tired of destinations that all start to look the same. The Faroe Islands were a delight—a country stunning in its landscape, climate, and culture, where tourism has barely altered its authenticity.
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip for October to visit Naples (6 nights) and the Amalfi Coast (5 nights). We’ve already got the historic center and the Lapis Museum in Naples, Pompeii, Herculaneum, Procida, Sorrento, and Ravello on our list. Any suggestions, addresses, or tips?
Thanks for your help.
Hello,
We’re heading to Rome from 21/09, arriving in the early afternoon, and returning on 28/09, leaving in the morning. We’ve already booked our flight tickets and our accommodation in the city center: Via Ezio.
I’d love to get your feedback on our itinerary and if there are any visits we should book right now:
Monday 21 afternoon:
Largo di Torre Argentina: a sacred spot for cats.
Tuesday 22:
The Vatican: Vatican Museums and Sistine Chapel in the morning. Afternoon: St. Peter’s Basilica, the dome, and if possible, the necropolis.
Wednesday 23:
Morning: Colosseum, Roman Forum, and Palatine Hill. Afternoon: Trastevere neighborhood and the Monumento a Garibaldi.
Thursday 24:
Piazza Navona, Church of St. Louis of the French, the Pantheon, Campo de’ Fiori, Piazza Venezia, Piazza Santa Maria Maggiore, Trevi Fountain.
Friday 25:
Villa Borghese, Piazza del Popolo, Spanish Steps, Quirinale, Piazza della Repubblica, and Santa Maria degli Angeli.
Saturday 26:
Aventine and Testaccio neighborhoods, the Capuchin Crypt.
Sunday 27:
Ostia.
Monday 28:
Departure.
Are any days too packed, or should we add more visits?
Thanks for your input and help!
Cheers!
Anne
Summer 2027 is going to be Norwegian for us!
We’re heading to the Lofoten Islands first, then Senja, near Tromsø, and finally the North Cape.
We’ll likely start from northern Finland (flight tickets and car rentals are more affordable there).
I’d like to book accommodations early to have more options.
Good value-for-money places go fast in these pricey Nordic destinations...
But where should we book?
We’re planning to stay around ten nights in the Lofoten Islands.
What’s the best approach?
One place in the central part and explore from there?
One place in the south and another in the center?
Or one in the south, one in the center, and one in the north (3-4-3 nights)?
Hi there,
I’m looking for some great tips for a stay in Palma de Mallorca this summer.
I need cheap flights departing from Toulouse and affordable accommodation for 4 people.
What do you recommend?
Best regards,
I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it?
Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA
Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.)
Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town
Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia
Day 7: Ortigia
Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?)
Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional)
Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?)
Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice
Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip)
Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible
Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits
Day 20: The city
Day 21: The city (Monreale?)
Day 22: Options:
- Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello)
- Cefalù (45 min by train)
Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay
D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there
D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there
D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night
D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night
D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda
D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there
D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions:
Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential...
Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day?
Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit.
Have a great day, everyone!
Christine
Hello,
we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026.
We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights.
After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions.
Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots.
Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days.
I’m just starting my research.
We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4.
I’m not finding a ton of info on the North.
Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section?
Thanks
