dans le cadre d'un tour du monde nous allons passer environ 1 mois en chine ( 34 jours pour être précis) en octobre 2010.
Je n 'ai pas encore étudié le lonely planet mais en fouinant un peu sur le net depuis quelques temps j'ai mis au point ce trajet :
J1-4 Hong kong
train jusqu'a canton puis avion jusqu'a shangai
J5 - 9 Shanghai et environs ( hangzhou et autres)
trajet jusqu'a shangai en avion ou train rapide?
J 10 - 14 Pekin et grande muraille ( Jinshanling-Simatai ?)
trajet pekin-xian en train de nuit
J15-16 Xian
J17-22 chengdu, vallée de jiuzhaihou et region d'huanghon
J23 - 27 chongqin ( croisiere sur le yang tsé)
J28-33 guilin et yangshao
Merci de me donner votre avis sur cet itinéraire avec vos yeux d'experts :) (étapes trop courtes/longues, rajout d'étapes...)
Dans ton itinéraire, je pense que tu oublie les jours de transports. Meme si tu fais un trajet en avion, ça te bouffe une demi journée. Donc tu ne commences pas la visite de Shanghai le J5 mais le J6 a priori...
Sinon pour Pékin, tu ne prévois que 4 jours sur place. Personnelement je te conseilelrai d'en rajouter un, il y a énormément de choses à voir à Pékin, et aux alentours (compte une journée pour la Grande Muraille, une journée pour le Palais d'été)
Pour Shanghai, tu comptes y rester 5 jours, en incluant dans ces 5 jours la visite de Hangzhou et Suzhou (et autres peut-etre ?)
Pour Hangzhou , il faut bien une journée complete sur place (enfin si tu veux y rester peu de temps, il faut au moins ça, la encore il y a de quoi faire bien plus longtemps !!). Donc si tu pars de Shanghai le matin pour visiter Hangzhou dans la jouréne, ça fait court selon moi. Du coup, ça te coupe vraiment beaucoup le temps que tu passeras à Shanghai. Garde quand meme 3 jours pour Shanghai (j'y suis resté 5 jours, j'ai vraiment adoré !)
Je te donne le lien vers mon carnet de voyage, tu verras ce que 'jai fais en 18 jours sur place http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2931670;#2931670
En 2 fois plus de temps, tu vas bien en profiter !
La plupart des gros trajet se sera des trains de nuit finalement pour pas perdre de temps et économiser des nuits d'hotel.
Je pense qu'on va éviter de faire le crochet "croisiere des 3 gorges" et faire le yunnan qui est sur notre route quasiment.
ce qui ferait :
4j hong kong
train de nuit
4j shangai ( hangzhou et suzhou surtout, shangai plus ca va, moins je me dit qu'on va y passer de temps, peut etre un jour ou 2 pour voir a quoi ressemble une expo universelle)
train de nuit
5j pekin
1j pingyao
train de nuit
2j xian
train de nuit
5j chengdu-jiuzhaigou-huanghon
train de nuit
6j yunnan
train de nuit
5j guilin-yanshao
2 jours bonus a rajouter ou on manquera de temps.
je voudrais te signaler que lorsqu'on voyage en train de nuit, on ne dort pas vraiment et qu'il faudra la matinée pour ratraper la fatigue du voyage
A force de bouger en train, vous allez sentir la fatigue vous envahir.
je ne pense pas que hong kong merite 4 jours, 2 jours suffisants pour Shanghai meme, pingyao merite 2 jours, xian 3 jours.
je te conseille de prendre l'avion de xian pour aller directement dans le yunnan afin de vraiment avoir un peu de temps pour visiter le yunnan car 6 jours en comptant l'arrivée et le depart du train cela fait vraiment tres peu.
5 jours pour Guilin-Yangshuo est vraiment trop, les 2 merites 3 jours sauf si vous voulez aller vers sanjiang mais cela merite plus de temps
Et pour finir, le mieux est de descendre de xian directement a guilin/yangshuo et ensuite aller dans le yunnan.
je voudrais te signaler que lorsqu'on voyage en train de nuit, on ne dort pas vraiment et qu'il faudra la matinée pour ratraper la fatigue du voyage
Bonsoir Nemo,
Il y a une différence entre les couchettes molles et les dures: dans les molles on n'est que 4, lit confortable, tu ne bouges pas sur ton matelas, porte fermée, pas un bruit, et je peux te dire que je dors toujours extrêmement bien et les 3 autres aussi !
Il y a une différence entre les couchettes molles et les dures: dans les molles on n'est que 4, lit confortable, tu ne bouges pas sur ton matelas, porte fermée, pas un bruit, et je peux te dire que je dors toujours extrêmement bien et les 3 autres aussi !
Hormis une fois en couchette dure (car il n y avait que les couchettes de haut de dispo en prenant le train dans une ptite gare), je voyage toujours en couchette molle, moi je peux te dire que tu ne dors pas bien du tout!
L'avantage d'une cabine de 4, c'est le matelas plus large qui est tres pratique pendant la journée.
Je serais plutot de l'avis de Nemo... Moi qui ai un sommeil leger, j'ai très mal dormi dans le train de nuit Pekin-Xi'an, meme en couchettes molles, et meme avec mes boules quies...
Donc ça depend des gens, mais un voyage en enchainant les trajet en train de nuit, ce n'est pas pour moi, je serais crevée tout le temps !
Il y a une différence entre les couchettes molles et les dures: dans les molles on n'est que 4, lit confortable, tu ne bouges pas sur ton matelas, porte fermée, pas un bruit, et je peux te dire que je dors toujours extrêmement bien et les 3 autres aussi !
L'essayer, c'est l'adopter !🙂
Danielle
Dormir en couchettes molles c'est quand même se priver de la moitié (pour ne pas dire de la totalité 😛) du plaisirs de voyager en train en Chine...
tu te prives de quoi en voyageant en couchette molle?
De l'ambiance, du contact avec les locaux et donc de conversations intéressantes.
Je l'ai déjà dit mais c'est en essayant de communiquer (ou plutôt en galérant avec mon guide de conversations et mon traducteur 😇) avec des chinois lors d'un voyage en couchettes molles que j'ai eu envie d'apprendre la langue.
Et si un étudiant / adulte parle anglais il est fort probable qu'il vienne nous parler. Ne serait-ce que pour nous demander pourquoi nous ne voyageons pas en couchettes dures 😉
Personnellement c'est dans le train que j'ai fait mes plus belles rencontres. Dans les zones cloitrées et asseptisées des couchettes dures je ne m'en souviens pas d'une seule... Par contre évidemment je me rappelle avoir bien dormi 😛
perso, c'est bien en couchettes molles que tu as plus de chances de pouvoir parler avec les chinois car cela crée une "intimité" que tu n'as pas du tout en couchette dure.
La derniere fois j'ai bcp apprécié la personne qui voyageait avec nous (guilin-pekin) avec qui on a pu discuter et grace a lui j'ai decouvert les grains de tournesol parfumé aux herbes que j'ai adoré
C'est marrant, moi qui suis insomniaque, dès que je me couche dans un train, je dors ! J'ai fait au fil des voyages pratiquement tous les grands trajets en train, Shanghai-Hong Kong et Xi'an-Hangzhou ont été les plus longs mais il faut dire que j'aime beaucoup le train et l'ai beaucoup utilisé dans mes voyages.
Sinon, pour Nemo et Tibo, en couchette molle on peut aussi rencontrer du monde. Le couple de chinois qui dormait dans les couchettes en dessous des notres voulait vraiment communiquer avec nous, et j'ai regretté de ne pas avoir appris le chinois de façon plus sérieuse avant de partir. Mais ce fut en tous cas un très bon moment d'échange !
Et pour Ragamuffin, les caramels je les préfère mous aussi, et au beurre salé 😛
Sinon, pour Nemo et Tibo, en couchette molle on peut aussi rencontrer du monde.
C'est exactement ce que je dis depuis le debut dont la derniere experience entre guilin-pekin en couchette molle.
Meme opportunité pour mon voyage en couchette molle entre xi'an et pingyao où le couple de chinois etaient tres curieux et avaient envie de mieux nous connaitre.
Et pour un autre voyage, on a donné nos couchettes molles à une famille chinoise avec 2 enfants car ils n'avaient pas reussi a obtenir de cabine sauf assis dur. J'ai pu me debrouillé avec la controlleuse pour obtenir des couchettes dure avec la couchette du bas et du milieu (je deteste la couchette dure du haut).
On avait pu discuter avec eux et les parents forcaient leurs enfants a nous parler anglais 🙂
La derniere fois j'ai bcp apprécié la personne qui voyageait avec nous (guilin-pekin) avec qui on a pu discuter et grace a lui j'ai decouvert les grains de tournesol parfumé aux herbes que j'ai adoré
merci pour votre petit débat sur les couchettes de train lol
Nous niveau budget on ne prendra que des couchette dures et en plus comme dit plus haut je préfère etre en compartiment ouvert et rencontrer des gens plutôt que dans un compartiment fermé.
Suite aux conseils de nemo et autres on a modifié notre planning.
Donc ca donne :
J1 à 3 hong kong
J4 à 6 shangai/suzhou
J7 à 12 pekin
J13 à 14 pingyao
J15 à 16 xian
J17 à 18 jiuzaighou, huanghon
J19 à 29 circuit dans le yunnan
J30 à 33 guilin/yangshao
On a viré hangzhou et le huangshan c'est une erreur?
On se pose la question de virer carrement shanghai et aller directement a pekin mais vu qu'on sera en pleine expo universelle ca vaut peut etre le coup d'oeil.
Etant donné qu'on est plus "nature" et rencontre que grandes villes et temples ne vaudrait il pas mieux virer ce détour par shangai et à la place faire une croisière de 3jour sur le yang tsé aux 3 gorges? ( ou autre si vous avez des suggestions on est ouvert :) )
Derniere question : pour le circuit de 10 jours dans le yunnan si vous avez également des suggestion d'endroits, hotels, restos, villages etc... on est preneur aussi :D
Merci pour vos réponses.
P.S : ca y est je me suis mis au chinois, j'ai 11 mois pour apprendre les bases !
malheureusement on n'a pas le choix, vu qu'on arrive du sri lanka et qu'on repart a kathmandou après, le seul aéroport en chine nous permettant de réaliser ceci est hong kong.
On a viré hangzhou et le huangshan c'est une erreur?
Hangzhou, je connais : ce n'est pas une erreur de le virer
Huangshan, je ne connais pas : c'est une erreur de le virer
(cherchez l'erreur 😉, en fait tout le monde en dit tellement de bien, et pas seulement sur ce forum). Et Hangzhou, ce n'est pas nul du tout, mais je trouve cela très surfait
On se pose la question de virer carrement shanghai et aller directement a pekin mais vu qu'on sera en pleine expo universelle ca vaut peut etre le coup d'oeil.
Etant donné qu'on est plus "nature" et rencontre que grandes villes et temples ne vaudrait il pas mieux virer ce détour par shangai et à la place faire une croisière de 3jour sur le yang tsé aux 3 gorges? ( ou autre si vous avez des suggestions on est ouvert :) )
Si vous êtes plus "nature", qu'est ce que vous allez f... à l'Expo de Shanghai ?? Ca va être noir de monde : ils visent 70 millions de visiteurs en 5 mois. J'ai rencontré une personne qui a visité le chantier, et les erreurs de conception (pour les transports, intérieurs comme extérieurs) me font sérieusement réfléchir quant à y aller ou pas.
On a viré hangzhou et le huangshan c'est une erreur?
J'ai bien aimé Hangzhou, journée de calme sur un lac, super reposant, ça fait du bien aussi en vacances.
Et le Huangshan, c'est franchement magnifique !! Le meilleur souvenir de voyage de mon mari (j'avoue avoir un faible pour la grande muraille, et pour les tours futuristes de Shanghai, mais le Huangshan et très très proche derrière)
Surtout si vous êtes plutot nature... Enfin il faut savoir quand même que sur le Huangshan ce ne seont pas des sentier de randonées, mais des marches et encore des marches. Le côté nature en est un peu gaché. Mais ça n'empeche pas les paysages d'être tout simplement magnifiques, et le lever de soleil réellement sublime !!
Bref, non ce n'est pas une erreur de les virer, chaque circuit en Chine est différent, le pays est tellement grand ! Mais moi j'ai beaucoup aimé.
On se pose la question de virer carrement shanghai et aller directement a pekin mais vu qu'on sera en pleine expo universelle ca vaut peut etre le coup d'oeil.
Etant donné qu'on est plus "nature" et rencontre que grandes villes et temples ne vaudrait il pas mieux virer ce détour par shangai et à la place faire une croisière de 3jour sur le yang tsé aux 3 gorges? ( ou autre si vous avez des suggestions on est ouvert :) )
J'ai beaucoup aimé Shanghai, mais j'y étais dans des conditions différents, j'étais chez mon oncle et un ami chinois, donc moins en touriste. J'ai adoré le côté futuriste de la ville. Mais si j'ai été en Chine cette année, c'est justement parcequ'il y a l'expo universelle l'année prochaine, et que visiter une ville encore plus noire de monde que d'habitude, non merci...
Surtout si vous êtes plus nature que ville et que vous aller déjà à HK et à Pekin et à Xian, je pense que vous pouvez virer Shanghai.
Par contre j'y pense, si vous n'aller pas au Huansghan, et que vous allez à Xian, aller donc au Huashan qui parait-il est magnifique aussi (cf messages de Ragamuffin)
P.S : ca y est je me suis mis au chinois, j'ai 11 mois pour apprendre les bases !
En voila une bonne initiative !!
C'est un des aspects qui m'a le plus plus dans mon voyage en Chine, et d'ailleurs je continue à m'interesser au Chinois 2 mois après.
Tu as quoi comme méthode ? Pour mémoriser les caractères, j'ai trouvé des livres illustrés qui expliques "l'éthymologie", vraiment bien fait. Et en plus une méthode avec CD, pour la prononciation.
N'oublie pas d'emporter pendant ton voyage un dictionnaire de poche, ce sera plus facile pour communiquer.
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Hi,
July 2026: I’m writing to you from Dali.
First, I got scammed on Booking—AI-retouched photos. No tourists at this hotel (Yishanju Designer Hotel), and the reality was horrible: dirty, with a disgusting breakfast. It’s better to use Trip.com here.
Next, the old town was an infernal cacophony, packed with tourists who shoved past without a care. Some vendors harassed you to buy things. All the stalls sold the same cheap plastic junk or other uninteresting stuff. The beautiful scenery was ruined by vendors lining 100% of the alleys. Impossible to walk, crushing heat, nothing good to eat except fresh fruit. Horrible experience.
Day 2: We went to Cangshan Mountain by cable car—the ride was short and nothing spectacular. We were at 2,600 m.
My plan was to see Erhai Lake. Unfortunately, I followed the advice of an AI chatbot: take the boat at Langkan Dock. The Didi dropped us off in the nearest area, which was full of charming little alleys but packed with Chinese tourists. The three-wheeled yellow cabs zoomed through the narrow streets, forcing you to hug the walls, on top of the scooters and other pedestrians to deal with. Crossing the neighborhood was hellish and suffocating. Once out, we hit the "corniche," which was also packed with Chinese tourists. The lake’s edge was all pebbles, and everyone was standing around taking photos. I was with my 5-year-old son. I would’ve liked to sit down and let him play with stones by the water, but it was clear we didn’t belong. They were even shoving each other for a shot! There were no boats in sight. In short, we’d had enough, and there was nothing interesting there either.
On the way back, we had to cross that maze again under the scorching sun. My son was braver than me—I even had a little dizzy spell from all the chaos. Add to that Dali’s altitude (2,200 m), so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day...
The restaurants weren’t inviting—the staff served sticky rice in a little bucket. The dishes were wrapped, and you had to figure it out yourself. After that, they ignored you completely, even if you were the only tourist.
On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, noise is everywhere, and the behavior of some Chinese people is abusive...
Silver lining: not a drop of rain in 4 days and blue skies.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there...
But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
I’m heading to Yunnan in February 2027.
We’ll be traveling exclusively by train since my daughter gets car sick.
Our itinerary includes:
Kunming
Jianshui
Dali
Shaxi
Lijiang
Shangri-La
I’d love any tips, especially other places to visit (without winding roads) or great hotel, guesthouse, or minsu recommendations.
Thanks!
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Here are some tips from our 6-week trip (summer 2026) to China, Vietnam, and Cambodia. We traveled as a family of four with two kids aged 15 and 12.
I hope these notes help other travelers!
CHINA
General
You’ll need to download and set up a few apps:
- Alipay and WeChat for payments (I didn’t withdraw a single bill the entire trip)
- Didi for taxis
- Amap = Chinese Maps (works great, especially for subways)
- A translation app (we used Papago, but it sometimes gave weird results)
- Google Lens for translating menus or signs—super handy.
- HelloRide for bikes
- Gemini and ChatGPT for everything: understanding daily life, enhancing visits, checking the weather, finding things.
- HomeExchange if you want to lower travel costs (few listings in Asia except in big cities, often expats)
- Trip.com is very useful, even essential, for trains, domestic flights, and hotels. Like Booking.com, the more you book with them, the more perks you get. So I’d even suggest checking flight tickets on this site, even if it’s a bit pricier. However, buying train tickets is complicated because (1) they only open 15 days in advance, and (2) they sell out fast. Trip.com just promises to buy them as soon as they’re available but doesn’t always succeed. It’s stressful and might force you to change your plans, especially if you’re aiming for a sleeper car and there are no seats left. Watch out for station names—many cities have multiple stations, including a high-speed rail one outside the city.
For internet, we got the Asia plan from Holafly. It worked but seemed much slower than Chinese internet. I regretted not buying a Chinese SIM card because without internet in China, everything is VERY complicated (money, transport, etc.).
For the firewall, we used ExpressVPN, but it wasn’t always reliable. A bit disappointing. Ask ChatGPT for tips with screenshots to improve the settings.
Since we only had one SIM card with internet, we couldn’t rent shared bikes. If I were to do it again, I’d get a SIM for each person, even the kids, because distances in cities are huge. We walked *a lot*. Same goes for buses—it’s tricky with just one internet connection. Better to have a phone per person with internet.
Book your visits as far in advance as possible—they often sell out.
Watch out for power banks: if they don’t explicitly say "3C," they’ll confiscate it. Even if there’s a little airplane logo.
Shanghai
In the evening, the streets leading to the Bund from the metro were so crowded that police were out in force blocking roads. Arrive early. We went around the north side.
Suzhou
Be careful—there are two stations (common in China), and the high-speed rail one is 45–50 minutes from the old town.
The Humble Administrator’s Garden was *packed*—we don’t recommend it. It turned into a marathon day from Shanghai (almost 4 hours from our hotel to the garden).
Beijing
Forbidden City: Don’t go—I know it’s a shame, but it’s too crowded. I couldn’t buy tickets on the official site because of the kids’ passports. We ended up with a guided tour, the only way to get in (tickets sell out fast). The visit was disappointing—bad guide *and* massive crowds. You’ll queue a lot to enter and see certain areas. You’ll be checked often, so pack your bags carefully.
Great Wall at Mutianyu: Crowded. Two hours by bus, and even though we arrived early, people were already leaving! I really think the best option is to leave your big bags in Beijing and stay overnight near the Wall. That way, you’ll have it to yourself a bit more. For transport: get off at Tiananmen Square metro and look for buses with official guides in bright yellow-green vests. No need to buy tickets online—they made me cancel mine to rebook on the spot. Buses leave when full. Note: the cable car and chairlift are separate—if you want to go up one side and down the other, you’ll need different tickets. The endless queue for the toboggan ride put us off.
Quick tip: Incredible swimming spot in Beijing—on the north shore of Houhai Lake, you can swim by crossing the barrier. We did it twice with about ten other people. Bring a swimsuit!
Shapotou Desert
Amazing, but it gets *very* hot in the afternoon. We had a tent (not an air-conditioned bungalow), which was unbearable during the day. We hung out in the restaurant.
The paid activities are fun, except the camels—they look sad. The real highlight is the evening and sunset. The only downside: you can’t explore the desert alone or far—they don’t rent 4x4s, for example.
We stayed at "The Desert Camping Hotel of the Proprietress of Shapotou." They were lovely.
Zhongwei
Gaomiao Temple and its underground: Fun and short—you’ll see quirky Buddhist hell paintings.
Xi’an
Terracotta Army: We took a Didi because for four people, a car was almost the same price as four shuttle tickets. It was packed—chaotic to see properly.
We visited the halls in order: 3, 2, then 1—a good choice.
Hua Shan Mountains: Left before sunrise to arrive when the ticket office opened (7 AM, I think). We were shocked to see so many people already coming down.
45 minutes by bus to the west cable car, then 15 minutes up.
We did the west, south, east, central, then north peaks (in that order) before taking the other cable car down (you can buy the ticket at the top). A beautiful day.
In the city, check out...
Chengdu
Panda Research Center: Like Hua Shan, plan to arrive when the ticket office opens. Already *tons* of people, and it moves fast to see the big pandas before their nap. Have them drop you at the west entrance (not south), or you’ll have to walk uphill.
Leshan Giant Buddha: Interesting. The trip is a bit long (metro, then train, then city bus, then shuttle on-site). We didn’t take the boat option but walked. In the end, you only spend a few minutes at the Buddha’s feet, but it’s a nice day out.
Hotel tip: Panda Enjoy Home Hotel Apartments (Chengdu East Railway Station Dongda Road Branch). The view is insane, and the neighborhood is super convenient and nice. 646 CNY for 2 nights.
Swimming: The municipal pool is an interesting experience, but don’t expect to swim—no one does. Everyone just splashes around where they can stand. The hours are a bit odd, with a break in the late afternoon.
Kunming
The bike path along Dian Lake is pretty and often well-protected from cars. But like everywhere in China, it’s *packed*. Not much to say about visits—the flower market is a wholesale market, not very interesting. The ethnic minorities museum closed right in front of us.
All the big malls are good for shopping.
Dali
We thought we could bike around the lake in two days. Wrong on two counts: First, the lake’s edge is blocked to traffic and reserved for bikes (or tourist mini-buses). So you’re stuck on the main road, which never gives you a view of the lake, with all the trucks and cars. Doing 120 km like that wouldn’t make sense, in our opinion. The rice fields around are nice but not as impressive as elsewhere, so Dali isn’t worth it for that.
The old town, all restored, is pretty but *packed*—thousands of people, especially in the evening.
Hekou (Vietnam border)
Comfortable train from Kunming. In the parking lot, a bus (not well-marked, but Didi is an option) takes you to the border in 15–20 minutes. Short wait at both border posts. Fun to see the two lampposts near the border line: the Chinese one is new, modern, with a surveillance camera (of course), while the Vietnamese one is old and a bit rusty.
VIETNAM
General:
- You’ll need the Grab app for taxis
- Very disappointed with 12Go—it doesn’t show all buses, never connects you with the company, and refuses refunds. Try booking directly with companies like FUTA Bus instead.
- Credit cards are often accepted (supermarkets and modern stores), otherwise, you’ll need cash
Lao Cai
2 km between the border and the train station.
The sleeper bus to Hanoi with Sao Viet is well-organized—it works.
Hanoi
Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum closes early (10:30 AM, I think).
Women’s Museum: Very good, not too long
Temple of Literature: Beautiful, fairly quick
This is where you should buy souvenirs, clothes, and knockoffs—the prices are reasonable, and the sellers are nicer than elsewhere. We recommend Cho Dong Xuan.
Tu Long Bay
We did 2 days, 1 night (so really 24 hours on the boat) with Parfum d’Automne (French-speaking agency), which put us on a Cycad Cruise boat. Cost: 300 € per person—expensive, but it was amazing, super luxurious, and the buffet meals were delicious. We don’t regret the splurge. The only downside: no swimming in the bay (but there’s a pool on the boat). To swim, you’d need a 3-day, 2-night trip to an area not protected by the maritime park.
Phong Nha
If you didn’t do the northern mountains due to time or weather (like us), Phong Nha is a great stop for a motorbike ride. It’s beautiful, especially the mountains west of the city toward the caves.
There are two (small) swimming spots at the Botanic Garden—a pleasant 45-minute walk without stops.
Hotel tip: Sunbeam Village (very friendly, pool, breakfast by the river, motorbike rentals)
Da Nang
Hotel tip: Meridians by Hsuite—you’ll have the beach almost to yourself. You’ll still need to walk 15–20 minutes to the hyper-touristy area if you want to rent surfboards (150–200k VND per hour).
The beach is beautiful, and the water is 30°C—great for a break on a long trip, especially since all transport goes through Da Nang.
Hoi An
45 minutes from Da Nang, so it’s easy to visit in a day, especially since the city isn’t that big and it’s *very* hot.
Cooking class: MS Hanh cooking class—great (the market tour is a bit useless). We don’t recommend the "basket boat" tour—it’s a bit sad on a big brown pond with elderly guides.
Ho Chi Minh City
Ben Thanh Market is a nightmare: starting prices are exorbitant, and the vendors are aggressive. Don’t go.
The War Remnants Museum can be really tough for kids.
Can Tho
Avoid this city. We made the mistake of going to see the floating market—don’t.
Chau Doc
No Grab in the city, but regular taxis.
One day is enough if you go early to the forest and the mountain in the late afternoon.
250k VND per person for the forest and its canals (45 minutes by motorbike)
The sunset at Victoria Nui Sam can be magnificent if the clouds cooperate.
Cheap and good restaurant: Quan Nem Nuong Sau Hiep
Hotel tip: Homestay Khoa (2,250,000 VND for 3 nights)—adorable hostess, full of tips, clean rooms.
The speedboat to Cambodia is more comfortable than a bus. Book with Hangchau a few days in advance—payment in cash on the day (1,640,000 đ).
CAMBODIA
General:
- Issues with the "Bakong Tourists" app—we had to go to a big bank to load money onto it. We barely used it afterward.
Phnom Penh
For us, a day and a half is enough if you want to spend more time elsewhere.
Markets close early (around 6 PM) and are less interesting than in Hanoi, for example.
The Royal Palace has a break from 11 AM to 2 PM, but there aren’t many people in the afternoon.
Siem Reap
Trip with Capitol company—the bus is basic but cheap. Departs at 10:15 AM, 7-hour ride.
Angkor entrance fee: 62 USD per person for a 3-day pass. Tickets are picked up at Angkor Enterprise.
Renting two 125cc motorbikes: 10 USD each, plus 7 USD for gas.
By bike, it took me 25 minutes to reach Angkor Wat’s pools. A basic city bike rental was 1 USD per hour.
Short circuit by motorbike (in reverse): 7 hours with stops everywhere.
Grand tour by tuk-tuk: Only 5 temples, 4.5 hours.
If you want to see lots of monkeys, they’re grouped west of Bayon.
For the temples, we asked Gemini (AI) at each stop to point out details that might interest kids (who can get bored with the repetition). It gave fun facts and things to look for—great for the little ones.
Hotel tip: The Five Senses, run by a Frenchman, Bruno, who knows Cambodia inside out and organizes tours.
Restaurant tip: Wild (only spring rolls, but *so* many varieties—delicious and cheap)
Watch out: 1 hour to the airport, 50 km from the city.
Show tip: The Phare Circus
Has anyone taken the bus recently, especially the Busda bus from Dongsi subway station to Mutianyu or the special tourist bus from Qianmen to Mutianyu? If so, I’d love to hear your feedback!
I’m traveling solo to China on September 18th and I’m completely overwhelmed by all the info out there.
This isn’t my first trip, but it’s still tough to make choices, so I’m open to outside perspectives.
This time, the plan is southern Kyushu with a slightly more off-the-beaten-path twist.
I’m not sure if you’ll be able to help since I’m skipping some of the classics in Kyushu, but you never know.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on whether this itinerary is realistic in terms of time spent in each place, travel time, and the overall pace of the road trip. Just to note, I already have my translated driver’s license.
Here’s the itinerary:
- **Day 1:** YAMAGA / overnight in Yamaga or Kumamoto
Depart from Osaka by train early in the morning to Kumamoto, pick up the rental car, then drive to Yamaga for a visit. Overnight in Yamaga or Kumamoto.
- **Days 2–4:** HITOYOSHI / overnight in Hitoyoshi
Drive to Hitoyoshi for 3 days and 3 nights, including a visit to the town, nearby waterfalls, a walk along the Kuma River, a tea producer visit, and some craft activities.
- **Day 5:** AYA / overnight in Miyazaki
Drive to Aya, visit the town, craft activities, the forest, and the suspension bridge.
- **Day 6:** AOSHIMA - NICHINAN COAST / overnight in Miyazaki
Udo Shrine + Aoshima + scenic drive along the coast.
- **Day 7:** MIYAKONOJO / overnight in Shibushi
Drive to a waterfall, then continue along the Nichinan Coast if there’s anything left to see, or visit Kojima Island.
- **Day 8:** SHIBUSHI
Walk around the port and along the Osumi Peninsula coast, maybe as far as the Kishira/Hetsuka coast, or visit a black pork producer, a market gardener, or a tea producer. Overnight at a farm?
- **Day 9:** KANOYA / overnight in Kagoshima
Visit Ogawara Waterfall, Nishiharadai Park, and Kannon Cave, then Sugawara Shrine, followed by the drive to Kagoshima.
- **Day 10:** KAGOSHIMA / overnight in Kagoshima
Explore the city + whisky distillery in Hioki.
- **Days 11–12:** KOSHIKISHIMA / 2 nights in Koshikishima
- **Day 13:** AKUNE OSHIMA / overnight in Akune
Ferry, then drive to Akune Oshima with a stop at Sendai Taki.
- **Days 14–15:** AMAKUSA / overnight in Amakusa
Drive via Nagashima and visit Shimoshima (Amakusa).
- **Day 16:** AMAKUSA / overnight in Fukuoka
Drive back toward Kumamoto with stops along the way, return the rental car, then take the train to Fukuoka.
- **Days 17–18:** FUKUOKA CITY / overnight in Fukuoka
Possible half-day excursion to Nokonoshima, Munakata, or Nanzoin.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Too ambitious?
I could add an extra day but would prefer not to if it means less rushing around.
Hi everyone,
To simplify logistics, I'm considering renting a car for 5/6 days in the Japanese Alps before heading to Kyoto solo.
Is driving difficult or even risky in this region?
Thanks for your feedback!
Tara
We’re arriving as a group of three in Tokyo on Saturday, October 17th, then heading straight to Kyoto by direct train.
On Sunday and Monday, we’ll explore Kyoto, and in the evening, we’ll take a train to Osaka to spend the night.
On Tuesday, we’ll pick up a rental car at Itami Airport for a 6-day/5-night road trip around Shikoku:
- 2 nights in the Iya Valley
- Thursday morning, we’ll head to Matsuyama for 2 nights.
- Saturday, we’ll visit Mima (town, a few temples + overnight stay) and return on Sunday to drop off the car in Osaka.
We’ll leave very early on Monday the 26th by plane for Aomori in northern Honshu, where we’ll pick up another rental car at the airport for a 5-day/4-night trip:
- Day 1: Tsugaru Peninsula (Takayam Inari, Cape Tappi, Kanita); overnight in Kanita
- Day 2: Ferry transfer to the Mutsu Peninsula (cliffs, Lake Usori); overnight in Shimofuro
- Day 3: Head to the Hakkoda Mountains and onsens galore; overnight TBD
- Day 4: Return the car in Aomori by noon and explore the city before taking the train to Tokyo in the evening
We’ll spend Friday night in Tokyo, wander around on Saturday, and head home on Sunday.
Thoughts on the road feasibility of this trip? We’ll be there right in the middle of Koyo season, so it’ll be busy...
I know it’s a lot of driving, but there are two of us who can take turns. We’re not afraid of driving, even in the mountains and on the left side! Just wondering, are we going to be rushing, or is this manageable? AI says it’s all good, but it’s not the one driving...
Any tips for booking accommodations in the Iya Valley? Not many places have email addresses or websites (I know Booking.com exists, but not all listings are on there... and given the season, I think it’s better to book ahead!). Same question applies for northern Honshu.
For the rental car, I’m thinking of going with Alamo since at least it’s in French and straightforward, but are there any direct rental companies with user-friendly websites (Toyota Rentacar, ugh... 🏴☠️)?
Another question: With so many trains, is it even necessary to book them in advance? Can we just go to the ticket counter and grab seats on the spot?
For paying for the rental car, do we need a credit or debit card?
I saw there are several "authentic" villages about 90/100 km from Beijing.
Including: Lingshui, Liuliqu, Sangyu, Miaoying, and Cuandixia.
Has anyone visited any of them? I was thinking of choosing Cuandixia—what do you think?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone!
It seems there’s a flea market in Tianjin that’s way more interesting than the one in Beijing. I’ve been searching online but can’t find the right one… The one I’m looking for is called gu wan shi chang (my PC won’t display the Chinese characters…). Does anyone have the address and has anyone been there before? The one in Beijing has lost a lot of its charm over the past 10 years, so I wanted to find another. Thanks!
I’m looking for advice from seasoned travelers about a roughly one-month trip to Japan.
From late October to late November 2026.
We often travel in Southeast Asia but have never been to Japan.
Based on what I’ve read, I’d love to hear your thoughts on:
- Is traveling day-to-day, without booking hotels or trains in advance, possible in Japan?
(I’ve read many travel journals and blogs that say everything was booked way in advance… but that’s not how we usually travel.)
- Will the Japan Rail Pass be worth it for us?
(According to an old simulator, I’m looking at around 400 € for trains compared to 570 € for the JRP.)
Here’s our rough itinerary (which may change):
- Arrival Osaka: 3 nights with Nara
- Hiroshima and Miyajima Island: 3 nights
- Kurashiki or Naoshima: 2 nights
- Himeji: 1 night
- Kyoto: 4 nights
- Kanazawa: 2 nights
- Takayama and Shirakawa-go: 3 nights
- Around Mount Fuji: 3 nights
- Tokyo with Nikko: 6 nights (no theme parks)
Departure from Tokyo
I booked my trip from May 5 to 26, 2027. I’m starting to plan my itinerary and look for hotels (I know it’s early!). While I’ve found some in Seoul and Busan, I’m noticing that elsewhere—like Yeosu—most hotels aren’t available (on Booking.com, for example, almost all are unavailable). AI tells me not to worry because hotels in South Korea only open bookings 6 months in advance, so it’s normal to see most of them unavailable on booking sites.
Could you confirm this for me and, of course, reassure me (!)? Thanks so much.
philippe
We’re back from a one-month trip to China and wanted to share our itinerary. Hopefully, this can give future travelers some ideas for exploring this beautiful country.
Beijing → Temple of Heaven / Forbidden City
Jinshanling → Great Wall
Zhangjiajie → Tianmen Mountain and Heaven’s Gate
Wulingyuan → Avatar Mountains / sandstone pillars
Fenghuang → riverside houses
Ping’an → terraced rice fields
Tiantouzhai → village / rice terraces
Yangshuo → Li River / karst mountains
Shanghai → skyline with the Oriental Pearl Tower
Our travel journal is available on our travel journal, written day by day. You’ll find lots of photos and some travel tips there.
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung.
Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Hi there,
I’d like to do this cycling route over 2 or 3 days. I’m struggling to figure out and find a (good) bike rental that lets me start in Onomichi and drop off in Imabari. Can anyone help with great tips for rentals and accommodations along the route? How do I get back to Onomichi afterward?
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change?
thanks
hi everyone, we're heading out for a 12-day trek in the Japanese Alps. We're bringing freeze-dried meals like we always do. We just found out that importing meat is banned, even freeze-dried. Is that true? We already bought them. They're commercially made freeze-dried meals. Online, it's not specified that they have to be "commercially made" because you can make your own freeze-dried food. And since we've heard they're really strict in Japan, can anyone confirm this for us? thanks
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS.
Could you recommend something?
hi there
I’m planning a trip in September—here’s my rough itinerary. What do you think? Is it easy to rent a car to get around between my stops? Thanks so much!
Philippe
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