Mais où vont-ils?
by Mentawai
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
En lisant le post d'ALAN, je me suis mis a penser(ca m'arrive) a que sera devenus dans 50 ou 100 ans l'industrie du voyage.Je parle aussi bien pour le voyage "tout inclus" que pour le "routard".Quelle seront les changements majeurs, les destinations phares?
Y auras t'il de nouveaux spots qui seront sorti de terre???
Ben j'ai bien une petite idée mais je laisse la main !
L'envie c'est comme un grain de sable dans l'oeil !
Les destinations balnéaires changent en fonction des tendances, avant l'ivresse etait sur la tunisie et la turquie, maintenant les safaries, ou la republique dominicaine ainsi que cuba caracolent en tete, les pays petroliers seront demain des petits paradis touristiques pour toutes les personnes désirant se la couler douce genre Emirats ou encore le sultana d'oman, avec une petite tendance pour les iles thai.
Pour les routards, je pense qu'il y aura moins de gens désirant s'aventurer dans un territoire méconnu ou seul, les pays qui sont "routardisés" le resteront et les meconnus resteront toujours méconnus, c'est fini ou les gens partent pour découvrir les hors sentiers battus, ils auront leur propre organisme pour pouvoir ce deplacer, savoir deja ce qu'ils les attendent sur place, il n'y aura plus de place a la surprise, n'y a l'inattendu, tout les routards auront tellement préparé leur voyage qu'ils seront encore plus organisé que les "voyages organisés"
Bref Fini les marco polo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pour les routards, je pense qu'il y aura moins de gens désirant s'aventurer dans un territoire méconnu ou seul, les pays qui sont "routardisés" le resteront et les meconnus resteront toujours méconnus, c'est fini ou les gens partent pour découvrir les hors sentiers battus, ils auront leur propre organisme pour pouvoir ce deplacer, savoir deja ce qu'ils les attendent sur place, il n'y aura plus de place a la surprise, n'y a l'inattendu, tout les routards auront tellement préparé leur voyage qu'ils seront encore plus organisé que les "voyages organisés"
Bref Fini les marco polo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
un grand voyage commence toujours par un petit pas.
Association NE POUR VIVRE
En fait moi ça me fait un peu peur ta question !!!!!
"que sera devenu L'INDUSTRIE du voyage".
Le pire c'est que je suis totalement d'accord avec toi. Le voyage se manufacture de plus en plus. J'ai l'impression que pour beaucoup, entasser les pays visités est aussi important que d'entasser les meubles dans une maison. Je trouve qu'il ya une injustice immence entre les touriste et les voyageurs. Les touristes qui rêvent de vacances surpeuplent et entrainent la denaturation de plus en plus d'endroits far de voyageur. Mais n'est-ce pas le fait qu'il y ai de plus en plus de voyageur qui entraine la "tourismification" de certains endroits...
En fait je pense que le voyage, que ce soit dans n'importe quel pays et n'importe quelle distance, doit rester une quete pour l'authenticité. C'est donc un devoir pour chaque voyageur de parfois garder pour soit quelques endroits encore authentiques afin de préserver le plus possible les derniers vrais paradis sur terre.......
Je viens de me relire et je me sens un peu égoïste. Suis-je la seule à penser cela ?
CIAO
"que sera devenu L'INDUSTRIE du voyage".
Le pire c'est que je suis totalement d'accord avec toi. Le voyage se manufacture de plus en plus. J'ai l'impression que pour beaucoup, entasser les pays visités est aussi important que d'entasser les meubles dans une maison. Je trouve qu'il ya une injustice immence entre les touriste et les voyageurs. Les touristes qui rêvent de vacances surpeuplent et entrainent la denaturation de plus en plus d'endroits far de voyageur. Mais n'est-ce pas le fait qu'il y ai de plus en plus de voyageur qui entraine la "tourismification" de certains endroits...
En fait je pense que le voyage, que ce soit dans n'importe quel pays et n'importe quelle distance, doit rester une quete pour l'authenticité. C'est donc un devoir pour chaque voyageur de parfois garder pour soit quelques endroits encore authentiques afin de préserver le plus possible les derniers vrais paradis sur terre.......
Je viens de me relire et je me sens un peu égoïste. Suis-je la seule à penser cela ?
CIAO
xxxx
Vision futuriste pessimiste, mais deja si vraie dans certain endroits...
Dans 50 ans, le voyageur aventurier, apres avoir cherche pendant 3 mois dans son atlas un endroit pas encore atteint de betonite aigue et de business attrape-touriste, arrivera a l'aube (la lumiere est la plus belle, tous les locaux commencent leurs activites de la journee...) devant le fameux temple pas encore demantele par des tombs raiders pour des riches et arrogants europeens qui veulent mettre de l'exotisme dans leur maison de campagne.
Au moment meme ou le voyageur s'extasie devant cette 8eme merveille du monde, voici un moine qui passe au loin devant 2 murs. Le voyageur s'approche. Le moine n'est plus vetu de cette belle tunique ocre-orange, mais porte comme tous les locaux du coin, le dernier tee-shirt Coca Cola ou McDonald.
Qu'a cela ne tienne, le voyageur commence le tour du temple, et voila la fin du reve, un bus, puis un autre puis encore un autre. En flux tendu, de 6h a 18h, des grosses machines sur roues, qui dechargent et rechargent une centaines d'hommes et de femmes, en short, tee-shirt hawai, debardeur, grosse boite a image sur le bide, language haut et fort, pepsi a la main. Et les voila de grimper sur les pelouses, d'escalader les sculptures pour prendre la photo, de faire la queue devant l'unique toilette et de devaliser tous les magasins a souvenir. Aussi vite arrives, aussi vite partis. Les fourmis succedent aux fourmis...
Le voyageur degoutte retourne chez lui. Et maintenant il ne voyage plus que par procuration, en feuilletant ses albums photo des voyages d'il y a 50 ans, et en lisant et relisant ces recits deja connus par coeur qu'il a sauvegarde d'une rubrique "carnet de voyage, textes de voyageurs" d'un site qui n'existe plus, englouti dans la masse de la toile internet. Et la il reve avec Alan, Jose, Loopkin, Inextremis, Marsu, Simba et les autres des grandes aventures d'antant...
Dans 50 ans, le voyageur aventurier, apres avoir cherche pendant 3 mois dans son atlas un endroit pas encore atteint de betonite aigue et de business attrape-touriste, arrivera a l'aube (la lumiere est la plus belle, tous les locaux commencent leurs activites de la journee...) devant le fameux temple pas encore demantele par des tombs raiders pour des riches et arrogants europeens qui veulent mettre de l'exotisme dans leur maison de campagne.
Au moment meme ou le voyageur s'extasie devant cette 8eme merveille du monde, voici un moine qui passe au loin devant 2 murs. Le voyageur s'approche. Le moine n'est plus vetu de cette belle tunique ocre-orange, mais porte comme tous les locaux du coin, le dernier tee-shirt Coca Cola ou McDonald.
Qu'a cela ne tienne, le voyageur commence le tour du temple, et voila la fin du reve, un bus, puis un autre puis encore un autre. En flux tendu, de 6h a 18h, des grosses machines sur roues, qui dechargent et rechargent une centaines d'hommes et de femmes, en short, tee-shirt hawai, debardeur, grosse boite a image sur le bide, language haut et fort, pepsi a la main. Et les voila de grimper sur les pelouses, d'escalader les sculptures pour prendre la photo, de faire la queue devant l'unique toilette et de devaliser tous les magasins a souvenir. Aussi vite arrives, aussi vite partis. Les fourmis succedent aux fourmis...
Le voyageur degoutte retourne chez lui. Et maintenant il ne voyage plus que par procuration, en feuilletant ses albums photo des voyages d'il y a 50 ans, et en lisant et relisant ces recits deja connus par coeur qu'il a sauvegarde d'une rubrique "carnet de voyage, textes de voyageurs" d'un site qui n'existe plus, englouti dans la masse de la toile internet. Et la il reve avec Alan, Jose, Loopkin, Inextremis, Marsu, Simba et les autres des grandes aventures d'antant...
"Lorsque quelqu’un te blesse, tu devrais l’écrire sur le sable afin que le vent l’efface de ta mémoire mais lorsque quelqu’un fait quelque chose de bon pour toi, tu dois l’écrire sur la pierre afin que le vent ne l’efface jamais."
Proverbe Touareg
Salut à tous 😉
Je pousserai un peu + loin le raisonnement de vous tous en me projetant dans 50 ou 100 ans, mais au niveau global, pas seulement du point de vue du tourisme occidental.
La Chine et l'Inde avec un taux de croissance économique fleuretant avec les 10%, et nos économies stagnantes, et si cette situation se maintient, deviendront les premiers "exportateurs" de touristes. Ces destinations seront rayées de la carte des backpackers ... trop chères ! Et ce flot de 2 milliards 300 millions (et plus d'ici 50 ans) de touristes potentiels à fort pouvoir d'achat vont faire augmenter les prix des autres destinations dites "abordables" pour les voyageurs ordinaires que nous sommes. Même visiter le Maghreb ou la Turquie reviendra cher. Outre l'augmentation des prix, je pense surtout à la dénaturation des pays aux cultures agricoles et aux traditions tenaces et uniques. En effet, Indiens et surtout chinois ne sont pas réputés pour leur tolérance des cultures et traditions spécifiques. Le naufrage sera peut être bien pire que celui du Coca-Cola, des casquettes "Nike" et T-shirts "adidas". Nos récits et nos photos de voyage seront d'un autre âge, d'un âge d'or oublié où nos arrière petits-enfants nous demanderont de leur raconter cette époque, comme on raconte une légende. Un temps où des cultures étranges aux moeurs éxotiques, aux coutumes extraordinaires existaient, et où il fallait marcher deux semaines pour aller à leur rencontre, alors qu'aujourd'hui en 5 h d'avion et 8 h de bus on arrive au même endroit.
Aaaaaaaah, je sais, c'est pas rose 🤪, mais plausible 😕 ! J'éspère que j'me trompe 😛
@ +
Je pousserai un peu + loin le raisonnement de vous tous en me projetant dans 50 ou 100 ans, mais au niveau global, pas seulement du point de vue du tourisme occidental.
La Chine et l'Inde avec un taux de croissance économique fleuretant avec les 10%, et nos économies stagnantes, et si cette situation se maintient, deviendront les premiers "exportateurs" de touristes. Ces destinations seront rayées de la carte des backpackers ... trop chères ! Et ce flot de 2 milliards 300 millions (et plus d'ici 50 ans) de touristes potentiels à fort pouvoir d'achat vont faire augmenter les prix des autres destinations dites "abordables" pour les voyageurs ordinaires que nous sommes. Même visiter le Maghreb ou la Turquie reviendra cher. Outre l'augmentation des prix, je pense surtout à la dénaturation des pays aux cultures agricoles et aux traditions tenaces et uniques. En effet, Indiens et surtout chinois ne sont pas réputés pour leur tolérance des cultures et traditions spécifiques. Le naufrage sera peut être bien pire que celui du Coca-Cola, des casquettes "Nike" et T-shirts "adidas". Nos récits et nos photos de voyage seront d'un autre âge, d'un âge d'or oublié où nos arrière petits-enfants nous demanderont de leur raconter cette époque, comme on raconte une légende. Un temps où des cultures étranges aux moeurs éxotiques, aux coutumes extraordinaires existaient, et où il fallait marcher deux semaines pour aller à leur rencontre, alors qu'aujourd'hui en 5 h d'avion et 8 h de bus on arrive au même endroit.
Aaaaaaaah, je sais, c'est pas rose 🤪, mais plausible 😕 ! J'éspère que j'me trompe 😛
@ +
"J'AI BESOIN DU LOIN" - Marius - Marcel Pagnol
Bonjour
Hélas dans 50 ou 100 ans, beaucoup d'entre nous seront trépassés mais leur clone ( droit international autorisé le 17/01/2222 ) continueront à sévir sur cette terre. MAIS, LES CLONES DES TOUT INCLUS SERONT DEVENUS DES ROUTARDS ET LES CLONES DES ROUTARDS BIEN SUR DES TOUT INCLUS !!😏😏😏
La FRANCE sera devenue la région privilégiée et des milliers de chinois et d'indiens viendront dépenser leur argent .Cet argent profitera bien sur aux promoteurs immobiliers et la lutte des classes 😄, sera de plus en plus forte jusqu'au 14 juillet 2789 ou ........😏😏😏
Mais plus sérieusement, vu les différentes évolutions de 1950 à 2000, je ne souhaite qu'une chose, que les grands qui nous gouvernent redescendent sur terre et prennent en compte les désirs et les besoins de leur population dans le respect de l'environnement et le retour à la nature !!
Hélas dans 50 ou 100 ans, beaucoup d'entre nous seront trépassés mais leur clone ( droit international autorisé le 17/01/2222 ) continueront à sévir sur cette terre. MAIS, LES CLONES DES TOUT INCLUS SERONT DEVENUS DES ROUTARDS ET LES CLONES DES ROUTARDS BIEN SUR DES TOUT INCLUS !!😏😏😏
La FRANCE sera devenue la région privilégiée et des milliers de chinois et d'indiens viendront dépenser leur argent .Cet argent profitera bien sur aux promoteurs immobiliers et la lutte des classes 😄, sera de plus en plus forte jusqu'au 14 juillet 2789 ou ........😏😏😏
Mais plus sérieusement, vu les différentes évolutions de 1950 à 2000, je ne souhaite qu'une chose, que les grands qui nous gouvernent redescendent sur terre et prennent en compte les désirs et les besoins de leur population dans le respect de l'environnement et le retour à la nature !!
faites que le réve dévore votre vie avant que la vie dévore votre réve, alors vous voyagerez tous les jours ..
salut à tous !
Vous avez lu Tristes Tropiques de Levi-Strauss ? regardez ce qu'il disait, déjà, il y quelques décénies :
"Aujourd'hui où des îles polynésiennes noyées de béton sont transformées en porte-avions pesamment ancrés au fond des mers du Sud, où l'Asie toute entière prend le visage d'une zone maladive, où les bidonvilles rongent l'Afrique, où l'aviation commerciale et militaire flétrit la candeur de la forêt américaine ou mélanésienne avant même d'en pouvoir détruire la virginité, comment la prétendue évasion du voyage pourrait-elle réussir autre chose que de nous confronter aux formes les plus malheureuses de notre existence historique ? Cette grande civilisation occidentale, créatrice des merveilles dont nous jouissons, elle n'a certes pas réussi à les produire sans contrepartie. Comme son œuvre la plus fameuse, pile où s'élabore des architectures d'une complexité inconnue, l'ordre et l'harmonie de l'Occident exigent l'élimination d'une masse prodigieuse de sous-produits maléfiques dont la terre est aujourd'hui infectée. Ce que vous nous montrez, voyages, c'est notre ordure lancée au visage de l'humanité"
Claude Lévi-Strauss, Tristes Tropiques
Et...
"L'humanité s'installe dans la monoculture ; elle s'apprête à produire la civilisation en masse, comme la betterave."
Claude Lévi-Strauss, Tristes Tropiques
Il y a aussi un passage de La Ferme Africaine (Out Of Africa) de Karen Blixen qui m'avait marqué tant j'avais trouvé le raisonnement clairvoyant. Elle y prédisait l'avenir des pays du Sud (ou PVD ou PSD ou... comme vous le voulez !) ainsi que celui des occidentaux.
- Avertissement : passer outre le vocabulaire et les idées reçues en vigueur à cette époque ! (vers les années 20) -
"Ceux qui s'imagine que le nègre peut sauter directement de l'âge de pierre dans celui de l'automobile oublient tous les efforts et toute la peine que nos ancêtres ont eus pour nous amener au point où nous en sommes. Nous pouvons apprendre aux indigènes à conduire des autos, des avions, et à voler. mais ce n'est pas en un tournemain que l'on éveillera la passion de l'auto dans un coeur d'homme, il faut des centaines d'années pour qu'elle naisse. [...] Pourquoi la pensée des jeunes Kikuyus ne progresserait-elle point par les mêmes voies qu'ont suivies nos ancêtres ? [...]Un Européen moderne qui ne met pas en doute la théorie de l'évolution ne voudra pas admettre celle de la création spontanée. [...] Nous avons pris en charge les indigènes de l'Afrique orientale, il y a 35 ans. Si nous admettons que la date de notre arrivée corresponde pour eux à ce que fut pour nous la naissance du Christ et que nous donnions 3 ans aux indigènes pour rattraper un siècle d'Histoire, nous devrions maintenant leur révéler saint François d'Assise. dans quelques années ce serait au tour de Rabelais. [...] Dans une quinzaine d'années, ils pourraient peut-être aborder les Encyclopédistes ; encore un lustres et ils seraient à Kippling et au niveau moyen de l'Européen. Nous pourrions alors leur envoyer des penseurs, des philosophes et des poètes pour préparer le règne de Ford. Mais nous même, où en serons-nous à ce moment là ? Qui dit que ce n'est pas nous qui, nous cramponnant aux nègres, retarderons leur ascension, avec un désir passionné de retrouver la confusion, l'obscurité et la vie élémentaire ? Nous n'aurons peut-être pas plus grand souci que de nous exercer sur un tam-tam, pendant que les indigènes s'offriront au rabais nos automobiles délaissées..."
Alors ? ça vous rappelle quelque chose ?
Vous avez lu Tristes Tropiques de Levi-Strauss ? regardez ce qu'il disait, déjà, il y quelques décénies :
"Aujourd'hui où des îles polynésiennes noyées de béton sont transformées en porte-avions pesamment ancrés au fond des mers du Sud, où l'Asie toute entière prend le visage d'une zone maladive, où les bidonvilles rongent l'Afrique, où l'aviation commerciale et militaire flétrit la candeur de la forêt américaine ou mélanésienne avant même d'en pouvoir détruire la virginité, comment la prétendue évasion du voyage pourrait-elle réussir autre chose que de nous confronter aux formes les plus malheureuses de notre existence historique ? Cette grande civilisation occidentale, créatrice des merveilles dont nous jouissons, elle n'a certes pas réussi à les produire sans contrepartie. Comme son œuvre la plus fameuse, pile où s'élabore des architectures d'une complexité inconnue, l'ordre et l'harmonie de l'Occident exigent l'élimination d'une masse prodigieuse de sous-produits maléfiques dont la terre est aujourd'hui infectée. Ce que vous nous montrez, voyages, c'est notre ordure lancée au visage de l'humanité"
Claude Lévi-Strauss, Tristes Tropiques
Et...
"L'humanité s'installe dans la monoculture ; elle s'apprête à produire la civilisation en masse, comme la betterave."
Claude Lévi-Strauss, Tristes Tropiques
Il y a aussi un passage de La Ferme Africaine (Out Of Africa) de Karen Blixen qui m'avait marqué tant j'avais trouvé le raisonnement clairvoyant. Elle y prédisait l'avenir des pays du Sud (ou PVD ou PSD ou... comme vous le voulez !) ainsi que celui des occidentaux.
- Avertissement : passer outre le vocabulaire et les idées reçues en vigueur à cette époque ! (vers les années 20) -
"Ceux qui s'imagine que le nègre peut sauter directement de l'âge de pierre dans celui de l'automobile oublient tous les efforts et toute la peine que nos ancêtres ont eus pour nous amener au point où nous en sommes. Nous pouvons apprendre aux indigènes à conduire des autos, des avions, et à voler. mais ce n'est pas en un tournemain que l'on éveillera la passion de l'auto dans un coeur d'homme, il faut des centaines d'années pour qu'elle naisse. [...] Pourquoi la pensée des jeunes Kikuyus ne progresserait-elle point par les mêmes voies qu'ont suivies nos ancêtres ? [...]Un Européen moderne qui ne met pas en doute la théorie de l'évolution ne voudra pas admettre celle de la création spontanée. [...] Nous avons pris en charge les indigènes de l'Afrique orientale, il y a 35 ans. Si nous admettons que la date de notre arrivée corresponde pour eux à ce que fut pour nous la naissance du Christ et que nous donnions 3 ans aux indigènes pour rattraper un siècle d'Histoire, nous devrions maintenant leur révéler saint François d'Assise. dans quelques années ce serait au tour de Rabelais. [...] Dans une quinzaine d'années, ils pourraient peut-être aborder les Encyclopédistes ; encore un lustres et ils seraient à Kippling et au niveau moyen de l'Européen. Nous pourrions alors leur envoyer des penseurs, des philosophes et des poètes pour préparer le règne de Ford. Mais nous même, où en serons-nous à ce moment là ? Qui dit que ce n'est pas nous qui, nous cramponnant aux nègres, retarderons leur ascension, avec un désir passionné de retrouver la confusion, l'obscurité et la vie élémentaire ? Nous n'aurons peut-être pas plus grand souci que de nous exercer sur un tam-tam, pendant que les indigènes s'offriront au rabais nos automobiles délaissées..."
Alors ? ça vous rappelle quelque chose ?
xxxx
Les destinations balnéaires changent en fonction des tendances, avant l'ivresse etait sur la tunisie et la turquie, maintenant les safaries, ou la republique dominicaine ainsi que cuba caracolent en tete, les pays petroliers seront demain des petits paradis touristiques pour toutes les personnes désirant se la couler douce genre Emirats ou encore le sultana d'oman, avec une petite tendance pour les iles thai.
Ouais, tu dis:
J'ajoute une précision: les touristes changent, délaissent un endroit en fonction des modes. Mais le béton, lui, reste là, le mal est fait, et c'est peu biodégradable, ces affaires là. Il n'y a qu'à voir les cadeaux qu'on fait les Allemands à toute l'Europe côtière (Atlantique, Manche, Mer du Nord, Baltique) pour s'en rendre compte. Maintenant, si les Américains voulaient nous rejouer Overlord (ils adorent les remakes, voir Irak II pour s'en convaincre), mais en Belgique, ils ne pourraient plus: le mur est trop solide: trois rangées de béton sur 30 mètres de haut, alignées sur toute la côte... Je ne parle même pas de ce que les hommes ont fait à ce qui s'appelle maintenant Rio de Janero, ou Aquapulco (sans parler de Tignes et consorts...). Si on extrapole dans 50 ans, toutes les côtes du monde entier seront définitivement blindées, et les Américains n'auront plus qu'à s'en retourner à leurs péniches de débarquement... Snif...
Ouais, tu dis:
J'ajoute une précision: les touristes changent, délaissent un endroit en fonction des modes. Mais le béton, lui, reste là, le mal est fait, et c'est peu biodégradable, ces affaires là. Il n'y a qu'à voir les cadeaux qu'on fait les Allemands à toute l'Europe côtière (Atlantique, Manche, Mer du Nord, Baltique) pour s'en rendre compte. Maintenant, si les Américains voulaient nous rejouer Overlord (ils adorent les remakes, voir Irak II pour s'en convaincre), mais en Belgique, ils ne pourraient plus: le mur est trop solide: trois rangées de béton sur 30 mètres de haut, alignées sur toute la côte... Je ne parle même pas de ce que les hommes ont fait à ce qui s'appelle maintenant Rio de Janero, ou Aquapulco (sans parler de Tignes et consorts...). Si on extrapole dans 50 ans, toutes les côtes du monde entier seront définitivement blindées, et les Américains n'auront plus qu'à s'en retourner à leurs péniches de débarquement... Snif...
Geantropie, Vivre l'espace
http://geantropie.free.fr
sinistrose.... waouh, ces posts m'ont foutu un de ces bourdons...
Et pourquoi ne serait-on pas un peu plus optimistes sur l'avenir?
A l'heure où le mot clé semble être développement durable, où les industries commencent enfin à prendre en compte un peu l'environnement et le social (j'ai dit "commencent" et "un peu"...mais on va pas critiquer, c'est un début!), pourquoi ne pas un peu espérer que les choses aillent dans le bon sens, pour une fois?
Je suis très certainement un peu naïve et utopiste, mais autour de moi je vois des gens qui s'investissent dans des actions, des projets qui semblent quand même prendre en compte ces paramètres que sont l'environnement et l'être humain. Certains voyagistes se mettent aux voyages solidaires et il ne s'agit plus seulement de reverser une infime partie du prix du voyage aux assos. J'ai encore eu récemment un catalogue (j'ai completement zapé le nom mais je crois bien que c'était Arvel) qui publie une charte du "bien voyager", qui parle d'éthique du voyage. Je connais un petit groupe de personnes qui suit une formation DESS de gestion et adminsitration des entreprises et qui ont un projet de création pile poils dans ce sujet. Alors bien sûr, on ne peut pas arrêter du jour au lendemain ce flot de touristes à béton, mais moi (bêtement) j'ai tendance à penser qu'une nouvelle catégorie de voyageur est entrain d'emmerger, plus respectueux de l'endroit, des populations, des cultures. Et le fait de retrouver des notions de ce type dans des catalogues de vacances (et plus seulement dans l'esprit de certains voyageurs routards), je trouve cela très positifs car l'idée diffuse vers les grandes masses.
Laissons peut-être un peu de temps au temps et participons tous un petit peu à ces changements......
Et pourquoi ne serait-on pas un peu plus optimistes sur l'avenir?
A l'heure où le mot clé semble être développement durable, où les industries commencent enfin à prendre en compte un peu l'environnement et le social (j'ai dit "commencent" et "un peu"...mais on va pas critiquer, c'est un début!), pourquoi ne pas un peu espérer que les choses aillent dans le bon sens, pour une fois?
Je suis très certainement un peu naïve et utopiste, mais autour de moi je vois des gens qui s'investissent dans des actions, des projets qui semblent quand même prendre en compte ces paramètres que sont l'environnement et l'être humain. Certains voyagistes se mettent aux voyages solidaires et il ne s'agit plus seulement de reverser une infime partie du prix du voyage aux assos. J'ai encore eu récemment un catalogue (j'ai completement zapé le nom mais je crois bien que c'était Arvel) qui publie une charte du "bien voyager", qui parle d'éthique du voyage. Je connais un petit groupe de personnes qui suit une formation DESS de gestion et adminsitration des entreprises et qui ont un projet de création pile poils dans ce sujet. Alors bien sûr, on ne peut pas arrêter du jour au lendemain ce flot de touristes à béton, mais moi (bêtement) j'ai tendance à penser qu'une nouvelle catégorie de voyageur est entrain d'emmerger, plus respectueux de l'endroit, des populations, des cultures. Et le fait de retrouver des notions de ce type dans des catalogues de vacances (et plus seulement dans l'esprit de certains voyageurs routards), je trouve cela très positifs car l'idée diffuse vers les grandes masses.
Laissons peut-être un peu de temps au temps et participons tous un petit peu à ces changements......
oui, tu as raison de montrer cette touche un peu optimiste, mais je crains que ce mode de voyage "ethique", reste marginal par rapport à la montée en puissance du tourisme de masse à l'échelle mondiale.Un peu comme le combat des éoliennes ou capteurs solaires, face aux centrales nucléaires ou thermique en terme d'impact sur l'environnement.
Le tourisme dans 50ans?
Il y aura, une multiplication des sites à bronzer, construits avec la complicité des gouvernements en places pour causes de devises rapportées.Je cite, la république dominicaine, hurgada en égypte, les émirats du golfe(tourisme de luxe en plus), les iles de thailande ou des jeunes du monde riche viennent partouzer et s'ennivrer, ... et bien d'autres qui vont s'y mettre. Tous ces sites seront (sont deja), bien gardés par la police ou l'armée du pays car comme ils cotoient des bidon ville, ils sont la cible de creve-la-fin ou integristes de tous poils.
Il y aura (il y a deja), des dizaines de milliers de gens de tous ces pays, entierement dépendants du tourisme et nos humeurs. Il ont abandonné leur metiers traditionnels(artisans, agriculteurs, ..) pour devenir, guides, cuisiniers, chauffeurs, serveurs, porteurs, ..., et se retrouvent sans aucuns revenus si nous décidons de ne plus visiter leur pays: craintes d'attentat, de SRAS ou autres maladies mediatisée, enlevement contre rançon.Au gré des bonnes ou mauvaises nouvelles venant de ces pays, nous les abandonnerons..
Et puis, message plus positif, il y aura encore, des pays au gouvernement responsable, qui préserveront leur pays des atteintes du tourisme trop massif, en privilegiant le tourisme vert(Costa-Rica), en imposant des quotas(Bhoutan, .;), en refusant des construction hideuses qui defigurent leurs paysages.
Alors, sûr que des vrais voyageurs, curieux, tolerants et respectueux, trouveront encore plaisir, à parcourir le monde, à vivre des vraies rencontre et des vraies "aventures", sans forcément, chercher les destinations lextremes (antarctique, papouasie, ???..)
La France est depuis, 50 ans une des destinations les plus frequentées par les touristes du monde entiers.Ceux-ci peuvent y trouver, la tour effeil, le mont St Michel, St Trop', la bouff' internationale, ... et puis... les petits villages de la haute Provence, ou de l'Ariege, des chateaux de la Loire inconnus et magnifiques, des chemins de randonnée, et d'excellents restaurants de terroir.
Cherchons bien, on trouvera encore notre bonheur. Et puis, les touristes de masse ne seront pas ceux d'aujourd'hui. regarder cet engouement des européens pour un retour à la nature, au vert, à l'ancien ou à l'authentique. tandis que nos plages sont envahies par des gens qui ont été privés de tourismes et de libertés pendants longtemps(russes, bulgares, tcheque ou polonais, ..)
Le tourisme chinois envahit Paris et les capitales européennes.
Le tourisme dans 50ans?
Il y aura, une multiplication des sites à bronzer, construits avec la complicité des gouvernements en places pour causes de devises rapportées.Je cite, la république dominicaine, hurgada en égypte, les émirats du golfe(tourisme de luxe en plus), les iles de thailande ou des jeunes du monde riche viennent partouzer et s'ennivrer, ... et bien d'autres qui vont s'y mettre. Tous ces sites seront (sont deja), bien gardés par la police ou l'armée du pays car comme ils cotoient des bidon ville, ils sont la cible de creve-la-fin ou integristes de tous poils.
Il y aura (il y a deja), des dizaines de milliers de gens de tous ces pays, entierement dépendants du tourisme et nos humeurs. Il ont abandonné leur metiers traditionnels(artisans, agriculteurs, ..) pour devenir, guides, cuisiniers, chauffeurs, serveurs, porteurs, ..., et se retrouvent sans aucuns revenus si nous décidons de ne plus visiter leur pays: craintes d'attentat, de SRAS ou autres maladies mediatisée, enlevement contre rançon.Au gré des bonnes ou mauvaises nouvelles venant de ces pays, nous les abandonnerons..
Et puis, message plus positif, il y aura encore, des pays au gouvernement responsable, qui préserveront leur pays des atteintes du tourisme trop massif, en privilegiant le tourisme vert(Costa-Rica), en imposant des quotas(Bhoutan, .;), en refusant des construction hideuses qui defigurent leurs paysages.
Alors, sûr que des vrais voyageurs, curieux, tolerants et respectueux, trouveront encore plaisir, à parcourir le monde, à vivre des vraies rencontre et des vraies "aventures", sans forcément, chercher les destinations lextremes (antarctique, papouasie, ???..)
La France est depuis, 50 ans une des destinations les plus frequentées par les touristes du monde entiers.Ceux-ci peuvent y trouver, la tour effeil, le mont St Michel, St Trop', la bouff' internationale, ... et puis... les petits villages de la haute Provence, ou de l'Ariege, des chateaux de la Loire inconnus et magnifiques, des chemins de randonnée, et d'excellents restaurants de terroir.
Cherchons bien, on trouvera encore notre bonheur. Et puis, les touristes de masse ne seront pas ceux d'aujourd'hui. regarder cet engouement des européens pour un retour à la nature, au vert, à l'ancien ou à l'authentique. tandis que nos plages sont envahies par des gens qui ont été privés de tourismes et de libertés pendants longtemps(russes, bulgares, tcheque ou polonais, ..)
Le tourisme chinois envahit Paris et les capitales européennes.
Ne vous contentez pas de vivre par procuration, à travers votre écran:osez, allez-y!
C'est sur tes derniers paragraphes que je voudrais rebondir :
J'ai justement moi aussi l'impression qu'une nouvelle forme de "tourisme" émerge.
Par le passé (suis pas giga vieille mais j'ai des souvenirs de préparation de voyages par mes parents!), je trouvais que la majorité des catalogues c'était bien des choses du type "vacances à la mer"...les ancêtres des tout inclus!! Maintenant, si on regarde les catalogues papier et mieux, si on consulte le net, je trouve qu'on a accès (que tout le monde a accès) à des offres de voyages qui vont bien au delà qu'un simple séjour à la plage.
Alors bien sûr, tout n'est pas parfait, mais je trouve que l'offre (et donc la demande!) de voyages...disons un peu humanisés aurait tendance à prendre de l'ampleur.
Evidemment, il faudrait que ça touche l'ensemble de la population voyageuse pour que ça tende à devenir parfait, mais bon.....faut arrêter de rêver à la paix dans le monde, au père Noël et toute ces choses que seuls les enfants osent espérer malheureusement (quoique le père Noël...).
J'ai juste envie un peu de croire que le voyageur pourrait se révéler dans le futur plus respectueux qu'il n'a été dans le passé.....
J'ai justement moi aussi l'impression qu'une nouvelle forme de "tourisme" émerge.
Par le passé (suis pas giga vieille mais j'ai des souvenirs de préparation de voyages par mes parents!), je trouvais que la majorité des catalogues c'était bien des choses du type "vacances à la mer"...les ancêtres des tout inclus!! Maintenant, si on regarde les catalogues papier et mieux, si on consulte le net, je trouve qu'on a accès (que tout le monde a accès) à des offres de voyages qui vont bien au delà qu'un simple séjour à la plage.
Alors bien sûr, tout n'est pas parfait, mais je trouve que l'offre (et donc la demande!) de voyages...disons un peu humanisés aurait tendance à prendre de l'ampleur.
Evidemment, il faudrait que ça touche l'ensemble de la population voyageuse pour que ça tende à devenir parfait, mais bon.....faut arrêter de rêver à la paix dans le monde, au père Noël et toute ces choses que seuls les enfants osent espérer malheureusement (quoique le père Noël...).
J'ai juste envie un peu de croire que le voyageur pourrait se révéler dans le futur plus respectueux qu'il n'a été dans le passé.....
T'as qu'à faire des ;-) ou :-o ou :=§ y'en a des tas ou sinon opte pour un PC, se sera encore le mieux !!! Et il a p'têt ben raison le p'tit gars, y'aura plus de pétrole, alors faudra qu'on pédale des heures dans les avions pour arriver à bon port 😉😉😉 🤪🤪🤪 😮😮😮 😏😏😏 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
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"J'AI BESOIN DU LOIN" - Marius - Marcel Pagnol
Ben justement ce sera cool. De nouveau les grandes epopees de Alexandra David Neel pour aller a Lhassa, des caravanes jaune et noire en citroen, des longues meharees de Rene Caille pour rejoindre Toumbouctou.
Plus de charters pour debarquer toutes les heures 150 chemises a fleurs, on sera de nouveau les seuls aventuriers, a pied, a velo, a chameau !😎😎😎
Vivement 50 ans alors, on ne sera pas encore trop vieux !🏴☠️
Plus de charters pour debarquer toutes les heures 150 chemises a fleurs, on sera de nouveau les seuls aventuriers, a pied, a velo, a chameau !😎😎😎
Vivement 50 ans alors, on ne sera pas encore trop vieux !🏴☠️
"Lorsque quelqu’un te blesse, tu devrais l’écrire sur le sable afin que le vent l’efface de ta mémoire mais lorsque quelqu’un fait quelque chose de bon pour toi, tu dois l’écrire sur la pierre afin que le vent ne l’efface jamais."
Proverbe Touareg
J'ai déjà posté ce qui suit dans la rubrique "Voyage à pied/randonneurs" mais je trouve que ça a aussi sa place dans ce sujet qui n'est peut etre pas lu par les memes personnes...
Saisi dans un article sur le Haut-Atlas marocain dans TREK MAGAZINE de février 2004 :
"...Point de départ des excursions vers le Toubkal (…) De longues cohortes de randonneures et touristes de tout poil serpentent dans le vaste lit de l’oued ou les femmes ont mis à sécher leur linge en longues draperies bigarrées. Marrakech est à moins de deux de voiture. Cela se sent. Après un arrêt bouche bée devant l’incongruité des échopes de souvenirs du marabout de Sidi Cham Arouch, nous poursuivons notre progression vesr le camp de base du Toubkal. (…) Dans un fumet subtil d’urine d’homme et de mule, nous dressons la tente entre boites de conserves à moitié calcinées, tessons de bouteilles et chapelets de PQ voletant au vent . La consternation est totale. Tout autour de refuge crée en 1999 par le CAF, une bone cinquantaine de tentes ont poussé sous la pluie, gonflées comme des champignons. Nous devons être ce soir-là entre 150 et 200, à ronger notre frein avant l’ascencion du lendemain. Je m’endors vers 20 heures, abruti par les émanations méphitiques flottant sur le bivouac."
Au secours !!!!!!!!!!
Comme on ne peut pas taxer cette revue de « forcer le trait » pour dénigrer les régions qu’elle présente à ses lecteurs… je m’interroge :
Voilà + de 15 ans que je crapahute dans l’Atlas marocain et, me doutant que ce n’est pas dans des endroits comme ça que je découvrirai la réalité du monde berbère marocain ( Ce que les « trekkeurs » -vraiment je n’aime pas ce mot… excuse moi Benoit- prétendent trouver en meme temps que le plus haut sommet d’Afrique du nord) je n’ai jamais voulu poser une semelle à cet endroit.
C’est vrai, je ne pourrai jamais me targuer d’avoir FAIT les 4167 metres du Toubkal ni les 4068 du M’goun, mais le nombre considérable d’autres sommets, cols et hauts plateaux que j’ai traversés en dehors des classique sentiers battus, les rencontres que j’y ai faites et les liens que j’ai pu tisser sont pour moi d’un tout autre niveau que ces sommets préstigieux aux pieds desquels le « trekkeur », et autres organisateurs, toujours écolos bien sur, laissent de si délicates traces de notre civilisation.
Alors dites moi amis voyageurs-randonneurs, qu’est ce qui vous pousse vers ces endroits ?
Ce tourisme montagnard a t-il un avenir?
Saisi dans un article sur le Haut-Atlas marocain dans TREK MAGAZINE de février 2004 :
"...Point de départ des excursions vers le Toubkal (…) De longues cohortes de randonneures et touristes de tout poil serpentent dans le vaste lit de l’oued ou les femmes ont mis à sécher leur linge en longues draperies bigarrées. Marrakech est à moins de deux de voiture. Cela se sent. Après un arrêt bouche bée devant l’incongruité des échopes de souvenirs du marabout de Sidi Cham Arouch, nous poursuivons notre progression vesr le camp de base du Toubkal. (…) Dans un fumet subtil d’urine d’homme et de mule, nous dressons la tente entre boites de conserves à moitié calcinées, tessons de bouteilles et chapelets de PQ voletant au vent . La consternation est totale. Tout autour de refuge crée en 1999 par le CAF, une bone cinquantaine de tentes ont poussé sous la pluie, gonflées comme des champignons. Nous devons être ce soir-là entre 150 et 200, à ronger notre frein avant l’ascencion du lendemain. Je m’endors vers 20 heures, abruti par les émanations méphitiques flottant sur le bivouac."
Au secours !!!!!!!!!!
Comme on ne peut pas taxer cette revue de « forcer le trait » pour dénigrer les régions qu’elle présente à ses lecteurs… je m’interroge :
Voilà + de 15 ans que je crapahute dans l’Atlas marocain et, me doutant que ce n’est pas dans des endroits comme ça que je découvrirai la réalité du monde berbère marocain ( Ce que les « trekkeurs » -vraiment je n’aime pas ce mot… excuse moi Benoit- prétendent trouver en meme temps que le plus haut sommet d’Afrique du nord) je n’ai jamais voulu poser une semelle à cet endroit.
C’est vrai, je ne pourrai jamais me targuer d’avoir FAIT les 4167 metres du Toubkal ni les 4068 du M’goun, mais le nombre considérable d’autres sommets, cols et hauts plateaux que j’ai traversés en dehors des classique sentiers battus, les rencontres que j’y ai faites et les liens que j’ai pu tisser sont pour moi d’un tout autre niveau que ces sommets préstigieux aux pieds desquels le « trekkeur », et autres organisateurs, toujours écolos bien sur, laissent de si délicates traces de notre civilisation.
Alors dites moi amis voyageurs-randonneurs, qu’est ce qui vous pousse vers ces endroits ?
Ce tourisme montagnard a t-il un avenir?
« Nomade j’étais quand, toute petite, je rêvais en regardant la route, la blanche route attirante, toute droite vers l’inconnu charmeur… »
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Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
.
.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)