"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
Retour d'expérience Chine
by Slaeinte
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Notre voyage, Pekin, Ping Yao, Xian, le Sichuan et le Yunnan en un mois et demi. Aout/sept/oct 2005 Impression generale: Melange “j’adore j’ desteste”, attraction-repulsion. Une culture ancestrale, les purges en ont efface les traces, des paysages splendides, ils les detruisent, une faune riche et variee, le braconnage continue. Et pourtant bcp de moments forts et d’images superbes en tete. On reviendra? Peut etre, en tout cas differemment. Bons plans: - Le monastere de Xiangcheng dans le Sichuan, sur peu de guides, tres beau esthetiquement, c'est son atmosphere qui nous a charme. Une tres belle guesthouse dans la meme ville, une maison tibetaine decoree tel un palais, 50 m au dessus de la gare routiere. Demander a la gare si la dame n’est pas a l’arrivee du bus, ils indiqueront sans pb. - a la cite interdite, pour eviter la tres longue queue, aller directement au kiosque ou on loue les guides auditifs, ils vendent les billets d'entree egalement. - A Ping Yao ds le Shanxi, guesthouse Jinjinglou Binguan 29 nan dajie tres agreable. Jolie courtyard, free pickup, famille tres sympathique, chambres traditionnelles (matelas immense sur 1 lit de brique) et moins chere que les autres... - Tjrs du papier toilette, sur soi, il y en a nulle part. - A Lijiang, Mama's Naxi Guesthouse 78 Wen Hua, WuYi, DaYan 0888 5185930. On a pas eu la chance d'y descendre, mais de nombreux voyageurs nous l'ont tellement encenses qu'on se doit d'en parler: apparemment c'est comme a la maison, "your home away from home" comme ils disent. - The Hump a Kunming pour sa terrasse et son ambiance sympathique - Mix and Backpaker’s guesthouse a Chengdu, jeune guest qui vient d’ouvrir, super ambiance, staff royal et chambres nickel. A faire meme si c’est legerement excentre. A faire: - velo un peu partout pour visiter les villes, pratique, pas cher et agreable (a partir du moment ou on a pris conscience qu'on est jamais prioritaire, sauf sur les pietons!). - Une nuit sur la muraille entre Jinshanling et Simatai. On avait opte pour une tour juste apres les 2/3 plus hautes. Se mefier cependant des orages. - Le Hua Shan, une des cinq montagnes sacrees, a faire en 2 jours avec nuit au sommet. Une veritable atmosphere pendant l’ascenssion, escaliers vertigineux et superbes paysages. L’Emei Shan a de tres mauvais echos pour ceux qui hesitent, nous on l’a fait sauter du programme. - Le tour a velo de l'Erhai Hu pres de Dali, notamment la partie est, elle est tres peu touristique et la route peu frequentee. C'est du bonheur (excepte les odeurs de crevettes sechees!). On l'a attaque en prenant le bateau jusqu a Haidong, soit 80kms en 2 jours, que du plat… - A consommer sans moderation, les massages chinois, pieds, tete, corps, 2h pour pour 4/5 euros… - marche des “antiquaires” Panjiayuan artisanat en tous genres (émaux, tissus, sculpture, boites, objets en jade, bijoux, bronze, peintures sur soie, etc…)le dimanche matin a Pekin - Pour ceux qui veulent retrouver la Chine traditionnelle, paradoxalement, il faut aller a Macao ou Hong Kong qui, en restant a l'abri des grandes purges communistes, ont su preserver une culture plusieurs fois centenaire ... A voir: - Parc de Jiuzhaigou, superbe, y passer au moins une nuit a l'interieur. Demander au village de Shuzheng pour etre loger dans une famille tibetaine. Petite astuce, au guichet, ne pas payer le supplement des bus verts a 90yuans, ils ne verifient pas nous les avons utilises sans probleme. Un petit sentier a ne pas rater sous le village de Shuzheng, au niveau du sparkling lake. Il relie la rive droite a la rive gauche et traverse de multiples cascades donnant sur le lac, superbe… A fuir: - les toilettes, mais vous n'aurez pas le choix! - Tina 's guesthouse dans les gorges du saut du tigre, a la tete du racket local. Eviter egalement de descendre dans les gorges a son niveau, on peut y acceder un peu plus loin et sans probleme sous Sam’s guesthouse. Plusieurs plaintes ont ete deposees, la police locale nous a promis de faire bouger les choses, on espere que le ménage sera fait tres bientot. - Le Lonely, tout du moins notre version: mini dico peu pratique (ca peut servir en Chine), bcp d'endroits inexistant, cartes moyennes, des parties non traites (sud du Sichuan, la region des rizieres etc...).Pas glop glop du tout. - les virtuoses de l'escroquerie Liste des arnaques chinoises dont nous avons ete victimes: faux taxis, groupe de voleurs ds le train, bouteille non capsulee, menu touriste surevalue (comparer les ideogrammes), racket gorges du tigre, harcelement par les locaux sur la muraille( “on arrete de vous coller si vous achetez 1 Tshirt!), achat d’une place en 1ere mais se retrouve en bus couchette 2eme classe, attention aux unites ( 1 doigt peut signifier 1 yuan, 10 yuans, 1 euro ou 1 dollar), prix au kilos surfactures etc... dont nous avons entendu parle:bousculer un touriste en laissant tomber un sac rempli de porcelaines bon marche ou deja cassees, puis faire constater les degats au voyageur exiger une compensation, agressions aux couteaux ds endroits isoles. -Le scrapping et cupping, pas vraiment agreable et des marques sur le dos pendant 1 semaine, pour les fanas uniquement. On a aime: - la cuisine (surtout apres la Mongolie), plus specialement celle du Sichuan, epicee a souhait! - Pekin, alliance de traditions et modernite, on s’y sent bien malgre le nuage de pollution, ville tres agreable. - les paysages quand la presence humaine ne les a pas defigures - le fourmillement, echoppes et magazins ouverts a toutes heures, beaucoup de vie et d’agitation dans les villes et villages chinois - le shopping, bcp de choix et vetements pas chers - l’artisanat (meubles, émaux, tissus, sculpture, boites, objets en jade, bijoux, bronze, peintures sur soie, etc…) On a pas aime: - les couchers et levers de soleil, toujours nappes de brume, autant faire la grass’mat…. - Pas de politiquement correct, le comportement des chinois (minorities exclues)… Certes nous avons frequente beaucoup d’endroits tres touristiques mais tout de meme. Pas serviable, malaimable et escrocs. Contraste saisissant avec la mongolie que nous avons quitte et la Birmanie ou nous sommes. Nos excuses cependant a ceux qui nous ont gratifie de leur sourire et de leur gentillesse, il y en a beaucoup aussi. Si certains ont des questions sur des points précis, n’hezitez pas a nous envoyer un mail: latetedslesetoiles@hotmail.fr ou a consulter notre site. Christophe et Sophie
Christophe
http://www.lespiedssurterre.org
"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
Un petit oubli, pour la consultation de certains sites bloques cause censure (hebergement chez free par exemple), 2 sites de transition qui fonctionnent : www.anonycat.com et www.anonymouse.org, et www.mail2web.com (marche pour la Birmanie aussi).
Christophe
http://www.lespiedssurterre.org
"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
Free n'est pas censuré en Chine. Mon site est chez free, et je peux m'y connecter sans aucun problème. Et mon compteur indique tous les jours plusieurs dizaines de chinois qui s'y connectent. Il doit bien y avoir quelques rares coupures de quelques heures, mais ça n'arrive vraiment pas souvent, et c'est je pense plutôt pour des raisons techniques.
Bonjour
Au vu des arnaques présentées vous risquez d'affoler ceux qui ne sont jamais allées en Chine.
Et je rajouterai que sur un seul voyage vous avez vraiment fait fort.
Parce que moi en 4 voyages en individuel ( mini 5 semaines) dont deux seule, j'ai jamais été confrontée à tout cela. Faux taxi, une fois à la gare routière mais il vous amène à destination, à vous ensuite de négocier le prix. Les repas de temps en temps, mais Paris n'ai pas rose non plus pour les étrangers.Les bouteilles recapsulées jamais vu.
Aucun problème dans les transports. L'an passé je laissais même mon petit sac à dos dans le bus avec tous le matos photo quand j'allais acheter qq chose ou aux toilettes.
Scrapping et cupping ??? c'est quoi ?
Siya
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Moi non plus, 11 ou 12 voyages en Chine, et à part quelques petites arnaques sans conséquences, RAS. Tout ce qui vous est arrivé en 1 mois 1/2, c'est un véritable condensé de malchance.
Pour les pickpocket, il faut être vigilant, mais pas beaucoup plus qu'ailleurs. Les attaques au couteau, tout voyageur en Chine en a entendu parler, mais je ne l'ai jamais vécu, ni même jamais rencontré personne à qui ce soit arrivé. Rumeur ??????
ChR
Assez peu d'arnaques à répertorier de mon côté également, en 4 ans de séjour, et quelques voyages auparavant.
Les bouteilles recapsulées, j'en ai eu jusqu'en 2000, et depuis, plus rien.
Les pickpockets, il y en a maintenant un certain nombre à Shanghai. Il y a six mois - un an, il y a eu un pic, avec pas mal d'amies (ils ne volent quasiment que les femmes) qui se sont faites dévaliser. Mais un minimum de prudence réduit le risque presque à néant.
Les arnaques dans les marchés à touristes, oui, là c'est indénombrable et je continue encore à me faire avoir. Le truc préféré: faire passer du toc pour du vrai. J'ai récemment acheté plusieurs VCD soit-disant nord-coréens totalement inexploitables car la qualité de ces copies était trop mauvaise. J'avais pourtant senti l'arnaque et le magasin semblait sérieux, mais je voulais tellement ces articles (que je n'ai pas trouvé ailleurs) que je les ai payés très chers.
Les taxis. A Shanghai, rien à signaler, ils sont d'une honnêteté impeccable. Ailleurs, il faut parfois exiger de mettre le compteur. Quand il n'y en a pas (petites villes), se renseigner au préalable sur le prix d'une course. Toujours éviter les "taxis" qui vous démarchent à la sortie des aéroports, gares et gares routières.
Les doubles prix dans les restaurants? Jamais vu, mais le fait de systématiquement demander le menu en chinois doit y être pour quelque chose. Je ne fais pas ça pour me prémunir contre les arnaques, mais parce que les traductions en anglais des noms des plats sont souvent très mauvaises et ne reflètent pas du tout ce qu'on va manger. En revanche, et là ça n'a rien d'une arnaque, certains restaurants dans les quartiers d'affaires ont souvent des formules déjeuner avantageuses. Il ne faut pas hésiter à les demander, car les prix sont alors parfois divisés par deux.
Les bouteilles recapsulées, j'en ai eu jusqu'en 2000, et depuis, plus rien.
Les pickpockets, il y en a maintenant un certain nombre à Shanghai. Il y a six mois - un an, il y a eu un pic, avec pas mal d'amies (ils ne volent quasiment que les femmes) qui se sont faites dévaliser. Mais un minimum de prudence réduit le risque presque à néant.
Les arnaques dans les marchés à touristes, oui, là c'est indénombrable et je continue encore à me faire avoir. Le truc préféré: faire passer du toc pour du vrai. J'ai récemment acheté plusieurs VCD soit-disant nord-coréens totalement inexploitables car la qualité de ces copies était trop mauvaise. J'avais pourtant senti l'arnaque et le magasin semblait sérieux, mais je voulais tellement ces articles (que je n'ai pas trouvé ailleurs) que je les ai payés très chers.
Les taxis. A Shanghai, rien à signaler, ils sont d'une honnêteté impeccable. Ailleurs, il faut parfois exiger de mettre le compteur. Quand il n'y en a pas (petites villes), se renseigner au préalable sur le prix d'une course. Toujours éviter les "taxis" qui vous démarchent à la sortie des aéroports, gares et gares routières.
Les doubles prix dans les restaurants? Jamais vu, mais le fait de systématiquement demander le menu en chinois doit y être pour quelque chose. Je ne fais pas ça pour me prémunir contre les arnaques, mais parce que les traductions en anglais des noms des plats sont souvent très mauvaises et ne reflètent pas du tout ce qu'on va manger. En revanche, et là ça n'a rien d'une arnaque, certains restaurants dans les quartiers d'affaires ont souvent des formules déjeuner avantageuses. Il ne faut pas hésiter à les demander, car les prix sont alors parfois divisés par deux.
bonjour,
oui, double prix constaté une fois à Dayan, Lijiang, mais bon, toute cette zone de la vieille ville est une vaste arnaque. pour le reste, pas constaté
a+
kuluzai
Scrapping: a la fin d'ubn massage, on te passe un racloir dans le dos en appuyant bien fort. Mon chinois etait trop balbutiant pour comprendre les bienfaits de ces bleus sur mon dos.
cupping: on chauffe des bols
Christophe
http://www.lespiedssurterre.org
"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
"ne prenez pas la vie trop au serieux, de toute facon vous n'en sortirez pas vivant"
Déjà un mois que je suis rentrée de Chine, et votre bilan chinois me renvoie beaucoup d'échos!
Bien sûr c'est un fabuleux voyage, et j'ai rarement aussi éte "soulagée" de quitter un pays...Très étrange.
Surpenant. Difficile. Grouillant. Epicé.
Si je devais y retourné, j'atterirais quelque part sur le plateau tibétain, dans le Sichuan.
La Chine est immense. Plus qu'immense, et on ne parlait pas un mot de chinois: mauvais point pour nous...
A ceux qui y projette un voyage: vraiment, prenez quelques cours de mandarin, votre voyage prendra un autre visage. et beaucoup de sourire sur votre route...
Chau.
....ça s'écrit comme ca s'éternue...
Ca me rememore quelques mauvaises experiences egalement.
Maintenant c'est vrai que la chine est actuellement un des pays aux evolutions les plus importantes, et la Chine d'aujourd'hui est bien differente de celle d'il y a 5 ou 10 ans. J'espere qu'elle saura bien negocier son virage...
En tout cas votre carnet m'a bien diverti.
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The restaurants weren’t inviting—the staff served sticky rice in a little bucket. The dishes were wrapped, and you had to figure it out yourself. After that, they ignored you completely, even if you were the only tourist.
On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, noise is everywhere, and the behavior of some Chinese people is abusive...
Silver lining: not a drop of rain in 4 days and blue skies.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
Hi,
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there,
My girlfriend (23) and I (24) are heading to Japan for the first time from October 20th to November 6th. Here’s our itinerary:
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
Hi there.
I’m traveling solo to China in October '26, heading to these spots:
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Hi there,
I’m getting ready for a classic tourist trip to China in May 2026.
The "Terres Lointaines" itinerary looks good to me, and the price is interesting.
Has anyone traveled with them before? Any feedback?
Is there a better option?
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences on this!
Michel
hi, does anyone have suggestions or contacts for a private local driver without going through a big travel agency for a multi-day trip in Yunnan?
thanks for any info
thanks for any info
Hi there,
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I’m traveling to Japan with a young adult with autism (ASD) from July 28 to August 8, following a pretty classic route: Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, and Tokyo. I’m looking for a schedule of the most spectacular fireworks displays during that time. So far, the dates for the major *hanabi* events aren’t available online yet. If anyone has them, I’d really appreciate it if you could share!
Hi there,
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone, I’m Julien!
This summer, from late June to late July, I’m planning a one-month solo trip to Japan—my first time!
I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice on the itinerary I’ve put together to explore this amazing country.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?







