Sécurité en Afrique du Sud?
by Gribouille33
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Nous partons pour un periple de 3 semaines en Afrique du sud au mois de Mars : Le cap puis de Durban à Johanesburg en passant par le kruger...
Nous sommes plutôt routard et avons l'habitude de voyager de façon autonome. Pour la première fois, les nombreuses consignes de sécurité dispensaient sur le site .gouv.fr nous font un peu peur.
Y a-t-il vraiment des consignes précises à respecter ?
Par exemple, au Cap, y a -t-il un risque à prendre un taxi de nuit de l'aeroport pour se rendre a notre hotel ?
Est-il vraiment imprudent de faire la balade à pied à la montagne de la table ?
Peut-on sortir pour aller dans les restaurants le soir ?
Merci pour ceux qui connaissent la région de nous donner leur conseil ou faire part de leur expèrience.
Je peux vous affirmer qu'il faut faire TRES TRES attention.
Le taxi de nuit, il faut mieux que vous vous arrangiez avec l'hôtel et que l'on vienne vous chercher.
Pour les balades dans la montagne, oubliez ou bien prenez des renseignements à l'hôtel avant d'entreprendre quoique ce soit.
On peut aller au restaurant le soir mais tout dépend du lieu où se trouve votre hôtel. Il faut prendre un taxi appelé par l'hôtel, c'est plus prudent.
Les consignes de sécurité ne sont surtout pas à prendre à la légère, sinon le pays est magnifique.
Effectivement, le site www.diplomatie.gouv.fr est assez décourageant en plus si l'on répertorie tous les endroits ou il y a eu 1 agression ça noirci forcement tout la carte et il n'y a plus aucun endroit ou on peut aller. Faut pas exagérer.
Si tu vas sur le site dfae.ch, qui a la même fonction, tu verra des infos + raisonnables.
Bon voyage
Si tu vas sur le site dfae.ch, qui a la même fonction, tu verra des infos + raisonnables.
Bon voyage
Pour les balades dans la montagne, oubliez ou bien prenez des renseignements à l'hôtel avant d'entreprendre quoique ce soit.
Vous n'exagérez pas un peu?J'ai habité 1 an à Johannesburg et visité le pays overall. Il y a des règles de bases à respecter comme partout ailleurs: autant à Paris, Montréal que Melbourne! Par contre, je suis d'avis qu'il faut faire particulièrement attention à Johannesburg, CapeTown et Durban. Je contredis les propos de backpackeuse: vous pouvez faire une balade à TableMountain sans aucune crainte. Biensûr, restez dans les chemins et y aller au moment où il y a beaucoup de monde: à partir de 9h jusqu'à 16h. Le centre-ville de CapeTown est très sécuritaire ainsi que le port de mer. La plage l'est également mais dès la tombé de la nuit, je ne m'y risquerais pas, comme partout ailleurs. À Johannesburg par contre, assurez-vous d'emprunter les bonnes autoroutes le soir. Par exemple, ne pas emprunter l'autoroute qui traverse le quartier Alexandria de l'aéroport jusqu'à Sandton (la N1 je crois) et éviter à tout moment le "vieux centre-ville". À Sandton le soir/nuit, stationnez-vous dans les stationnements sous-terrain et ne sortez pas à l'extérieur de Nelson Mandela Square (il y a là d'excellents restaurants et un nightlife très intéressant!). Au Monte-Casino, restez à l'intérieur des limites. Bref, informez-vous auprès de votre hotel, ils seront les mieux placer pour vous guider.
À l'extérieur des grandes villes, il n'y a pas vraiment de problèmes de sécurités. Encore une fois, éviter de vous promenez le soir et la nuit en voiture
L'Afrique du Sud est un pays merveilleux. Restez seulement vigilant: LA règle de base pour tout voyageur!
Bon voyage!
Vous n'exagérez pas un peu?J'ai habité 1 an à Johannesburg et visité le pays overall. Il y a des règles de bases à respecter comme partout ailleurs: autant à Paris, Montréal que Melbourne! Par contre, je suis d'avis qu'il faut faire particulièrement attention à Johannesburg, CapeTown et Durban. Je contredis les propos de backpackeuse: vous pouvez faire une balade à TableMountain sans aucune crainte. Biensûr, restez dans les chemins et y aller au moment où il y a beaucoup de monde: à partir de 9h jusqu'à 16h. Le centre-ville de CapeTown est très sécuritaire ainsi que le port de mer. La plage l'est également mais dès la tombé de la nuit, je ne m'y risquerais pas, comme partout ailleurs. À Johannesburg par contre, assurez-vous d'emprunter les bonnes autoroutes le soir. Par exemple, ne pas emprunter l'autoroute qui traverse le quartier Alexandria de l'aéroport jusqu'à Sandton (la N1 je crois) et éviter à tout moment le "vieux centre-ville". À Sandton le soir/nuit, stationnez-vous dans les stationnements sous-terrain et ne sortez pas à l'extérieur de Nelson Mandela Square (il y a là d'excellents restaurants et un nightlife très intéressant!). Au Monte-Casino, restez à l'intérieur des limites. Bref, informez-vous auprès de votre hotel, ils seront les mieux placer pour vous guider.
À l'extérieur des grandes villes, il n'y a pas vraiment de problèmes de sécurités. Encore une fois, éviter de vous promenez le soir et la nuit en voiture
L'Afrique du Sud est un pays merveilleux. Restez seulement vigilant: LA règle de base pour tout voyageur!
Bon voyage!
les sites du minsitére sont toujours plus alarmistes qu'il ne faudrait = principe de précaution! parfois on aimerait qu'ils le soient pour tout( ex mediator...).
je vais en afsud depuis 20ans, j'y posséde une petite case dans la brousse et je n'ai jamais eu de problémes. mais c'est vrai que comme dans tout pays pauvre (ou en banlieue en france), il vaut mieux respecter qq consignes simples et pas trop contraignante: ne pas étaler ses produits de luxe n'importe ou, eviter de conduire la nuit et fermer sa voiture de l'interieur (mais ça m'est arrivé de le faire plein de fois sans soucis), pas d'autostop, eviter les townships et grandes villes (sauf le cap) car c'est pas beau et forcément plus risqué!!!
derniére chose pour ne pas céder à la paranoia, sur ce forum vous trouvez beaucoup de gens qui se renseignent sur la sécurité , voire qui renoncent à aller dans ce pays, mais tous ceux qui en reviennent en sont fans et ne demandent qu'à y retourner.
bonjour
comme d'habitude le site du gouvernement en fait trop !
je suis allé en ADS en novembre , voyagé comme d'habitude simplement , sans problème .
pas eu l' impression d'insécurité , bien au contraire .
prudent quand même , mais comme partout ailleurs .
bon voyage
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
coucou !!!
je n'ai jamais été en insécurité en afrique du sud, pourtant j'y ai voyagé pendant 3 mois et demi, et même en namibie, bostwana et zimbabwe.
juste preterria et Johannesburg peut-être la nuit mais je n'y suis pas allé alors je ne peux pas dire.
mais pour le reste, même en me promenant tout seul la nuit à minuit, personne n'ai venu me faire chi... haha.
comme dit songhai73 le gouvernement en fait trop ^^.
alors pas de soucis, paris et marseille sont plus dangereux que cap town ^^.
Par exemple, au Cap, y a -t-il un risque à prendre un taxi de nuit de l'aeroport pour se rendre a notre hotel ?
Prendre un taxi officiel ou commander le transfert à votre hotel.
Est-il vraiment imprudent de faire la balade à pied à la montagne de la table ?
Pas d'éléphants, de lions ou de babouins en vue, donc pas de soucis en journée😉
Peut-on sortir pour aller dans les restaurants le soir ?
Au Cap, c'est tout à fait envisageable mais cela dépend des quartiers. Le mieux est de se renseigner auprès du réceptionniste de votre hotel qui connait les lieux.
A Johannesburg ou Durban, j'éviterais.....
Prendre un taxi officiel ou commander le transfert à votre hotel.
Est-il vraiment imprudent de faire la balade à pied à la montagne de la table ?
Pas d'éléphants, de lions ou de babouins en vue, donc pas de soucis en journée😉
Peut-on sortir pour aller dans les restaurants le soir ?
Au Cap, c'est tout à fait envisageable mais cela dépend des quartiers. Le mieux est de se renseigner auprès du réceptionniste de votre hotel qui connait les lieux.
A Johannesburg ou Durban, j'éviterais.....
Salut Joe Blo
Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi 'vous pouvez faire une balade à TableMountain sans aucune crainte. Biensûr, restez dans les chemins et y aller au moment où il y a beaucoup de monde: à partir de 9h jusqu'à 16h.'
Il ne faut pas s'éloigner des sentiers battus et respecter ... des horaires.
De plus en tant que femme ... redoubler de prudence !!!
Bonjour,
Je réside actuellement en Afrique du Sud et je peux vous assurer que ce que dit le site du ministère est absolument exagéré. En Afrique du sud comme partout ailleurs dans le monde et très certainement dans les grandes villes, certaines consignes de sécurité sont a respecter.
Iriez vous vous ballader seule en pleine nuit dans les quartiers chaud de Marseille, Paris, Bruxelles ou autres? Je ne le crois pas, en Afrique du sud les mêmes règles sont d'application. Pour y résider en alternance depuis 1993 et définitivement depuis 2 ans, je vous assure que l'afrique du sud est un merveilleux pays, pleins de contrastes, de cultures et de paysages, bref un endroit idéal pour les globetrotters. Il n'y a pas plus d'agressions qu'ailleurs et tout pays africain n'est pas fatalement un coupe gorge.....L'avis du ministère nuit absolument a la réputation de ce merveilleux pays et colporte un message de crainte non fondée.
Je vous souhaite un agréable séjour en RSA.
salut tout ce que vous devez faire en afrique du sud c est d etre prudent et surtout de ne pas se balader la nuit et surtout mefier vous des taxis
bonne chance
Bonjour ,
Il n' y a guère que la police locale , si elle tient bien ses statistiques , qui pourrait vous indiquer les probabilités de danger à se trouver où et quand , et répondre ainsi à vos questions .🤪
Les impressions personnelles des uns et des autres reposent sur des données + fragmentaires et incertaines , et conduisent à des opinions parfois assez divergentes .
Bon et prudent voyage ! 😉
c'est tellement dangereux, même dans la journee, et il y règne une telle insécurité que je vous déconseille formellement d'y aller
SVP arretez de dire n'importe quoi!!!! Qu'est ce qui vous fait dire qu'il règne une telle insécurité en RSA de jour comme de nuit? Vous êtes dans le coin? Si oui dites moi ou, car là vraiment je suis en colère!! Comment certaines personnes qui ne sont pas sur le terrain et qui n'ont fort probablement jamais mis les pieds dans le pays se permettent de dire autant d'inepties? Dans votre planning de voyage avez vous l'intention d'aller vous promener seule la nuit a Soweto? Cela m'étonnerait! Je répète il ne règne ici pas plus d'insécurités qu'ailleurs!!! Lisez sur internet les journaux français....vols, braquages, viols, enlèvement et j'en passe, règne t-il beaucoup plus de sécurité en Europe? La population noire comme blanche sont des personnes évoluées et non pas des sauvages!!!! Franchement oui je suis en colère!!!!
Oui enfin l' Afrique du sud a les plus hautes statistiques de criminalité en Afrique avec le kenya et parmi les pires stats de criminalité au monde.
Voila je ne parlerai pas de l' Af du sud y aller ou pas car je ne connais pas mais arrêtons de toujours comparer la France aux autres pays car rien n'est comparable dans ce domaine. Les situations sont trop différentes.
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Bonjour alex,
Les statistiques de la plus haute criminalité? Ah bon, c'est possible, je ne vais pas contester je ne sais pas. Je voulais simplement apporter un regard local et non pas de vagues suppositions ou statistiques de certains ministères ou personnes qui n'ont absolument aucune idée de ce qui se passe réellement dans le pays. Par ailleurs je ne tenais en aucun cas a comparer la France ou tout autres pays dailleurs avec l'afrique du sud ou le continent africain en général, comme vous le faites si bien remarquer c'est tellement différent. Je tentais simplement d'expliquer que oui il y a des vols, oui il y a des viols, oui il y a des agressions etc en afrique du sud mais il y a t-il quelqu'un sur ce forum qui pourrait me citer un endroit dans le monde ou il n'y en a pas? En RSA comme en France, en Belgique, en Europe en général, aux USA ou en Afrique cela existe et il me semble évident que lorsqu'on voyage et entre en terrain inconnu avec une autre culture, une autre langue etc et ou que se soit de part le monde, certaines règles de prudence sont a respecter, mais croyez moi pas plus ici qu'ailleurs.
J'ai immigrée en RSA et je ne l'ai jamais regrettée.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrique_du_Sud
hello Martine, un petit exemple sur cet article wikipedia (aller dans la rubrique "criminalité"):
loin de moi l'idée de critiquer cette destination; je ne me permettrai pas vu que je n'y suis jamais allé et de toute façon cela semble un pays fabuleux à visiter. je voulais juste remettre les choses dans leur contexte; même si les stats c'est barbant je le pense aussi (et ça n'enlève pas l'intérêt des avis des gens y vivant comme toi🙂); la réalité est la RSA a un tx de criminalité très élevé; très loin de nos tx de criminalité en Europe (qui est loin d'être épargné par le crime bien sûr^^): Le kenya en Afrique aussi semble avoir statistiquement un tx de criminalité parmi les plus élevé de ce continent.
Mais bon tout ça ne doit pas empêcher d'y voyager au contraire même; simplement être plus prudent😉
Amicalement alex
hello Martine, un petit exemple sur cet article wikipedia (aller dans la rubrique "criminalité"):
loin de moi l'idée de critiquer cette destination; je ne me permettrai pas vu que je n'y suis jamais allé et de toute façon cela semble un pays fabuleux à visiter. je voulais juste remettre les choses dans leur contexte; même si les stats c'est barbant je le pense aussi (et ça n'enlève pas l'intérêt des avis des gens y vivant comme toi🙂); la réalité est la RSA a un tx de criminalité très élevé; très loin de nos tx de criminalité en Europe (qui est loin d'être épargné par le crime bien sûr^^): Le kenya en Afrique aussi semble avoir statistiquement un tx de criminalité parmi les plus élevé de ce continent.
Mais bon tout ça ne doit pas empêcher d'y voyager au contraire même; simplement être plus prudent😉
Amicalement alex
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
bonsoir
bien d'accord avec toi , pas plus à craindre en A du S qu'ailleurs !
règle simple de précautions ( pas la nuit , évité d'avoir des bijoux sur soi ...)
ma petite expérience de 2 semaines à été , au contraire , un bel accueil , de beaux échanges et une visite de Soweto très enrichissante .
beaucoup de mes amis y sont aller pendant et après la coupe du monde et le retour est très positif .
après chacun est libre .
bon voyage
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
pour ceux qui lisent l'anglais voici matière à réflexion...
Question: "What is the influence of crime on the S.A. Govt?" Answer: Crime generates millions and millions of Rand's for the SA Government
Here are the facts....
Example 1:
Take just one million home owners in Gauteng who pay for "armed crime reaction" (not crime prevention) where private security companies react AFTER the crime has taken place - no wonder they never make any arrests!
This service costs on average R250 p.m. Therefore 1,000,000 x R240.00 x12 months x 14% VAT, generates R403 million in tax revenue for the SA Govt!
Example 2:
A car thief steals a R500,000 car and receives between R10,000 and R30,000 for his deed. The car owner is paid out by insurance and then purchases another similar vehicle, on which he pays 14% VAT of approx R70,000 as a direct result of crime. Who profited the most? The thief or the SA Govt?
We must begin with a mechanism whereby the SA Govt is forced to reconsider this unconstitutional and immoral practice of profiting from crime!
All South Africans should demand that all payments related to protection of life and property should be VAT free and Tax deductible!
This principle should also apply to replacement of stolen property as well as estate duty. If a person dies as a result of crime we should also demand that estate duty not be paid.
How much do you think the SA Govt. has made out of estate duty from the murders of 1300 South African farmers?
The S.A. Govt likes to compare us to overseas. Well overseas your safety and security is covered by your income tax and is tax deductible!
It is time that South Africans stood together and made the Govt. and public aware of the Govt's "income" from crime. In the meantime crime is the goose that lays the golden egg.
Is it also not unreasonable to expect victims of violence and hijackings to pay their own medical costs? The Govt. should pay for these expenses as well as family counselling for victims!
Come on South Africa, ask the right questions and demand the right answers!
Question: "What is the influence of crime on the S.A. Govt?" Answer: Crime generates millions and millions of Rand's for the SA Government
Here are the facts....
Example 1:
Take just one million home owners in Gauteng who pay for "armed crime reaction" (not crime prevention) where private security companies react AFTER the crime has taken place - no wonder they never make any arrests!
This service costs on average R250 p.m. Therefore 1,000,000 x R240.00 x12 months x 14% VAT, generates R403 million in tax revenue for the SA Govt!
Example 2:
A car thief steals a R500,000 car and receives between R10,000 and R30,000 for his deed. The car owner is paid out by insurance and then purchases another similar vehicle, on which he pays 14% VAT of approx R70,000 as a direct result of crime. Who profited the most? The thief or the SA Govt?
We must begin with a mechanism whereby the SA Govt is forced to reconsider this unconstitutional and immoral practice of profiting from crime!
All South Africans should demand that all payments related to protection of life and property should be VAT free and Tax deductible!
This principle should also apply to replacement of stolen property as well as estate duty. If a person dies as a result of crime we should also demand that estate duty not be paid.
How much do you think the SA Govt. has made out of estate duty from the murders of 1300 South African farmers?
The S.A. Govt likes to compare us to overseas. Well overseas your safety and security is covered by your income tax and is tax deductible!
It is time that South Africans stood together and made the Govt. and public aware of the Govt's "income" from crime. In the meantime crime is the goose that lays the golden egg.
Is it also not unreasonable to expect victims of violence and hijackings to pay their own medical costs? The Govt. should pay for these expenses as well as family counselling for victims!
Come on South Africa, ask the right questions and demand the right answers!
l'afrique du sud fut un de nos plus beau voyage nous avons pris un camping car pour 15j et avons fait johannesburg , royal natal park, marloth krugger blyde canyon loskopdam johannesburg
nous avons trouvè tout au long de notre parcours des sud af acceuillants sympathiques et vu des choses merveilleuses et superbes rando
le camping car etant genial et campings bienamenagès
bien sure nous ne sommes pas sortis de nuit pas de camping sauvage et n'avons pas mis les pieds dans johannesburg
nous savons que nous y retournerons sans crainte mais bien sure il faut toujours etre vigilant
en tout cas pays et personnes rencontrèes magnifiques
Bonjour !
Lors de notre tour d'Afrique en camion 4x4, nous avons passé 2 mois en Afrique du Sud. Pas une seule fois, même à Cape Town ou dans les "homelands" nous ne sommes allés dans un camping. Nulle part nous n'avons ressenti de l'insécurité.
Bien que ce soit une réalité, il ne faut pas tomber dans la parano au sujet de l'insécurité en Afrique du Sud. Comme partout, comme en France, il faut éviter certaines zones et respecter les mêmes règles de sécurité que n'importe où ailleurs.
Mieux vaut éviter de consulter le site du ministère des affaires étrangères qui est toujours très alarmiste, mais évidemment, ils ne veulent pas avoir de problèmes.
Ceci dit, l'Afrique du Sud est un des plus beaux pays du continent aux paysages très variés et à la faune très riche (dans les parcs vu qu'à l'extérieur les humains leur piquent la place).
Les Tinacoli
Lors de notre tour d'Afrique en camion 4x4, nous avons passé 2 mois en Afrique du Sud. Pas une seule fois, même à Cape Town ou dans les "homelands" nous ne sommes allés dans un camping. Nulle part nous n'avons ressenti de l'insécurité.
Bien que ce soit une réalité, il ne faut pas tomber dans la parano au sujet de l'insécurité en Afrique du Sud. Comme partout, comme en France, il faut éviter certaines zones et respecter les mêmes règles de sécurité que n'importe où ailleurs.
Mieux vaut éviter de consulter le site du ministère des affaires étrangères qui est toujours très alarmiste, mais évidemment, ils ne veulent pas avoir de problèmes.
Ceci dit, l'Afrique du Sud est un des plus beaux pays du continent aux paysages très variés et à la faune très riche (dans les parcs vu qu'à l'extérieur les humains leur piquent la place).
Les Tinacoli
mieux vaut partir que subir
http://www.tinacoli.com
Depuis près d' 1 mois et sa question initiale , Gribouille 33 n' a plus réapparu dans cette discussion . 😐
Espérons que tous ces avis aux contenus très variés auront été lus et lui auront permis d' adopter une ligne de conduite personnelle , à quelques jours du départ prévu ... 🤪
Je pense que la relativité s'applique particulièrement à ce genre de stats surtout en France où nos gouvernants ont tendance à les manipuler sans scrupule pour tromper l'opinion sur leurs résultats... Mais trêve de digressions politiques !
Je voulais juste dire que l'on ne peut pas décemment comparer des stats dans des pays sociolgiquement, culturellement et économiquement aussi différents que la RSA et la France : plus de 3000 morts sur les routes en une année, c'est encore énorme en France eu égard aux POSSIBILITES et au POTENTIEL de ce pays dans le domaine, pour la RSA, ce serait une prouesse d'arriver à ce chiffre... Exemple parmi d'autres !
Je pars dans 10 jours pour passer un minimum de 6 mois au Cap, c'est la première fois que je mets les pieds en Afrique australe et je suis impatient ! J'ai déjà vécu un an en Amérique du Sud. J'avais alors entendu les mêmes " avis " de personnes qui n'étaient jamais allés en Argentine et dans les pays voisins mais qui, en toute bonne foi, suivaient les " recommendations " du MAEE ou les articles périodiques d'une presse alarmiste... C'est à peinse si cette presse ne prédisait pas l'hécatombe en Afrique du Sud lors du MOndial 2010 : on parlait du danger extrême que courrait les supporters et touristes... La " vuvuzela " restera à jamais comme le symbole de l'accueil et de l'hospitalité sud-africains... Un camouflet bien mérité !
C'est le coeur confiant et l'âme en éveil que je me rends au Cap. Je vais bien sûr observer les règles de base auxquelles je me suis toujours astrein lors de mes nombreux voyages dans des zones dites à risque comme l'Algérie ou le Brésil. J'y ai pourtant vécu les plus beaux moments de ma vie... Mais c'est bien plus la pauvreté, les inégalités sociales, les ravages du sida, la persistance des discriminations qui m'inquiètent quant à l'avenir de la République arc-en-ciel de Mandela !
Je voulais juste dire que l'on ne peut pas décemment comparer des stats dans des pays sociolgiquement, culturellement et économiquement aussi différents que la RSA et la France : plus de 3000 morts sur les routes en une année, c'est encore énorme en France eu égard aux POSSIBILITES et au POTENTIEL de ce pays dans le domaine, pour la RSA, ce serait une prouesse d'arriver à ce chiffre... Exemple parmi d'autres !
Je pars dans 10 jours pour passer un minimum de 6 mois au Cap, c'est la première fois que je mets les pieds en Afrique australe et je suis impatient ! J'ai déjà vécu un an en Amérique du Sud. J'avais alors entendu les mêmes " avis " de personnes qui n'étaient jamais allés en Argentine et dans les pays voisins mais qui, en toute bonne foi, suivaient les " recommendations " du MAEE ou les articles périodiques d'une presse alarmiste... C'est à peinse si cette presse ne prédisait pas l'hécatombe en Afrique du Sud lors du MOndial 2010 : on parlait du danger extrême que courrait les supporters et touristes... La " vuvuzela " restera à jamais comme le symbole de l'accueil et de l'hospitalité sud-africains... Un camouflet bien mérité !
C'est le coeur confiant et l'âme en éveil que je me rends au Cap. Je vais bien sûr observer les règles de base auxquelles je me suis toujours astrein lors de mes nombreux voyages dans des zones dites à risque comme l'Algérie ou le Brésil. J'y ai pourtant vécu les plus beaux moments de ma vie... Mais c'est bien plus la pauvreté, les inégalités sociales, les ravages du sida, la persistance des discriminations qui m'inquiètent quant à l'avenir de la République arc-en-ciel de Mandela !
Je pense que la relativité s'applique particulièrement à ce genre de stats surtout en France où nos gouvernants ont tendance à les manipuler sans scrupule pour tromper l'opinion sur leurs résultats... Mais trêve de digressions politiques !
Il faut tout de même ne pas trop exagérer . Si les statistiques françaises ne valent rien tant elles seraient trafiquées , alors que dire de celles de nombre de pays africains où les multiples contre-pouvoirs qui peuvent s' exprimer chez nous ( partis d' opposition , journalistes , associations ... ) y ont une influence beaucoup plus restreinte ? Sans même parler de la corruption de certains de leurs services de police , et par exemple des contraventions en circuit court "du producteur au consommateur" et de la main à la main . Les statistiques qui découlent en partie de telles pratiques laissent un peu rêveurs ... SVP , l' herbe est peut-être + verte ailleurs , mais pas trop d' auto-dénigrement ! 🤪
Il faut tout de même ne pas trop exagérer . Si les statistiques françaises ne valent rien tant elles seraient trafiquées , alors que dire de celles de nombre de pays africains où les multiples contre-pouvoirs qui peuvent s' exprimer chez nous ( partis d' opposition , journalistes , associations ... ) y ont une influence beaucoup plus restreinte ? Sans même parler de la corruption de certains de leurs services de police , et par exemple des contraventions en circuit court "du producteur au consommateur" et de la main à la main . Les statistiques qui découlent en partie de telles pratiques laissent un peu rêveurs ... SVP , l' herbe est peut-être + verte ailleurs , mais pas trop d' auto-dénigrement ! 🤪
Bonjour !
Je te parle de mon expérience personnelle - en solo - qui date de l'automne dernier :
C'est à Johannesbourg que j'ai été la plus prudente, bien que je me sois baladée en journée dans les quartiers de la gare de chemin de fer et routière sans le moindre problème.
Dans les autres villes je trouve qu'il n'y a pas plus de problèmes qu'en Amérique du sud (par exemple). D'après moi, Cape Town est une ville plutôt tranquille : j'y ai pris les trains de banlieue en journée, je suis allée 2 fois à la Montagne de la Table à pieds et seule sans rencontrer aucun problème.
A Durban je me suis trouvée seule, en ville, à pieds à la tombée de la nuit et n'ai jamais eu le sentiment d'être en danger.
Selon mon expérience personnelle, de tous mes voyages en solo, c'est au Brésil et au Pérou que j'ai ressenti le plus d'insécurité et que j'ai eu des expériences négatives (agression, arnaque et vol...)
Voilà. Bon voyage !
Lydie
http://www.surlesailesdelaurore.com
"Si je prends les ailes de l'aurore, Et que j'aille habiter à l'extrémité de la mer"... Psaume 139/9
"Si je prends les ailes de l'aurore, Et que j'aille habiter à l'extrémité de la mer"... Psaume 139/9
O secour!! bonjour a tous , je suis la mère d'un jeune homme de 21 ans qui vient juste d'arriver à cape town pour un stage d'ingénieur qui va durer 4 mois , après avoir lu tous vos messages je ne sais plus quoi penser d'autant que mon fils que j'ai eue au téléphone hier et qui a l'habitude de se prommener la nuit dans les banlieux lyonnaise sans problème , m'a di qu'effectivement il avait un "sentiment" d'insécurité dans la banlieu de cape town à blouberg-grant (je ne suis pas sur de l'orthographe pardon!!) et surtout dans les transports en commun dans lesquel il n'y a pas de blancs??? es ce que quelqu'un peu m'informer svp je suis en pleine panique merci🤪
kat
Merci pour ta réponse phylosophique grassik , mais pour ma question concrète elle? pourquoi n'y a t'il pas de blancs dans les transports en commun l'avez vous vérifié???
merci
merci
kat
Je n'ai pas "jugé", j'ai bien précisé que je parlais de mon expérience PERSONNELLE :-)
http://www.surlesailesdelaurore.com
"Si je prends les ailes de l'aurore, Et que j'aille habiter à l'extrémité de la mer"... Psaume 139/9
"Si je prends les ailes de l'aurore, Et que j'aille habiter à l'extrémité de la mer"... Psaume 139/9
Ce que je voulais dire, c'est qu'on ne peut justement pas mettre sur le même pied la France et " les pays africains "... (qui ne peuvent être pris comme un bloc homogène car ce serait extrêmement réducteur mais passons...) Les exigences qu'on est en droit d'attendre d'un pays comme la France ne sont bien entendu pas les mêmes que celles que l'on peut attendre de pays qui ont pour la plupart en Afrique seulement cinquante ans d'existence en tant qu'Etat...
Vous parlez de corruption : MAM et Ben Ali, Fillon et Moubarak pour la partie " vacances à l'oeil " (pour ne citer que l'actualité du moment), ça vous parle ? Bref, trêve de politique comme je l'écrivais dans un message précédent mais je ne supporte pas la malhonnêteté intellectuelle qui s'adonne aux comparaisons absolues sans tenir compte du contexte...
Cape Town est une chouette ville cela dit ! Ma première semaine ici m'a ravi !
Enjoy !
Vous parlez de corruption : MAM et Ben Ali, Fillon et Moubarak pour la partie " vacances à l'oeil " (pour ne citer que l'actualité du moment), ça vous parle ? Bref, trêve de politique comme je l'écrivais dans un message précédent mais je ne supporte pas la malhonnêteté intellectuelle qui s'adonne aux comparaisons absolues sans tenir compte du contexte...
Cape Town est une chouette ville cela dit ! Ma première semaine ici m'a ravi !
Enjoy !
Bonjour Madame,
Je viens d'arriver à Cape Town pour un stage de six mois aussi... Je pense que vous n'avez aucune raison de céder à la panique ! Bien entendu, tout n'est pas rose au pays de l'arc-en-ciel mais si votre fils respecte des règles de sécurité de base connues de tous, il n'y a aucune rasion pour qu'il soit en grand danger... Le rizque zéro n'existe pas, il doit juste faire attention dans certains quartiers bien répertoriés par le Guide du Routard et confirmés par les Sud Africains avec qui j'ai pu parler... Il appréciera surement cette ville à sa juste valeur !
" surtout dans les transports en commun dans lesquel il n'y a pas de blancs " (sic) : là, vous vous aventurez sur un terrain ethnique qu'il faut effectiovement à tout prix éviter en Afrique du Sud où les questions " raciales " sont encore très sensibles... !
Cordialement !
Je viens d'arriver à Cape Town pour un stage de six mois aussi... Je pense que vous n'avez aucune raison de céder à la panique ! Bien entendu, tout n'est pas rose au pays de l'arc-en-ciel mais si votre fils respecte des règles de sécurité de base connues de tous, il n'y a aucune rasion pour qu'il soit en grand danger... Le rizque zéro n'existe pas, il doit juste faire attention dans certains quartiers bien répertoriés par le Guide du Routard et confirmés par les Sud Africains avec qui j'ai pu parler... Il appréciera surement cette ville à sa juste valeur !
" surtout dans les transports en commun dans lesquel il n'y a pas de blancs " (sic) : là, vous vous aventurez sur un terrain ethnique qu'il faut effectiovement à tout prix éviter en Afrique du Sud où les questions " raciales " sont encore très sensibles... !
Cordialement !
mais je ne supporte pas la malhonnêteté intellectuelle 

Moi non plus , et c' est pourquoi je vous laisse sans regret à votre rôle de donneur de leçons qui semble vous faire tant plaisir .


Moi non plus , et c' est pourquoi je vous laisse sans regret à votre rôle de donneur de leçons qui semble vous faire tant plaisir .
ne vous aventurez sur un terrain ethnique qu'il faut effectiovement à tout prix éviter en Afrique du Sud où les questions " raciales " sont encore très sensibles... !
Cordialement !
Neuneu au top, les 2 hollandais perdus a hillbrow c'est le manager noir du KFC qui leurs a dit 'ne sortez pas du resto tout seul c 'est un quartier de noirs vous allez vous faire agresser, il a meme appele les flics pour qu'ils les ramenent a l'hotel!!!!!
Cordialement !
Neuneu au top, les 2 hollandais perdus a hillbrow c'est le manager noir du KFC qui leurs a dit 'ne sortez pas du resto tout seul c 'est un quartier de noirs vous allez vous faire agresser, il a meme appele les flics pour qu'ils les ramenent a l'hotel!!!!!
" surtout dans les transports en commun dans lesquel il n'y a pas de blancs " (sic) : là, vous vous aventurez sur un terrain ethnique qu'il faut effectiovement à tout prix éviter en Afrique du Sud où les questions " raciales " sont encore très sensibles... !/
Pourquoi faudrait-il éviter d'en parler ?
Ces "questions raciales" 'sont une évidence et une composante incontourable de la société sud-africaine.
Le nier serait une certaine forme d'autisme.
Mes quelques amis sud-africains en parlent eux sans aucune forme de pudeur.
Pourquoi faudrait-il éviter d'en parler ?
Ces "questions raciales" 'sont une évidence et une composante incontourable de la société sud-africaine.
Le nier serait une certaine forme d'autisme.
Mes quelques amis sud-africains en parlent eux sans aucune forme de pudeur.
Juste parce que les aspects ethniques, raciaux, d'origine, de sexe, d'orientation etc n'entrent pas dans mon processus d'analyse critique... Il n'y a que de la division et de l'embrouille au bourt de cette pente 🏴☠️! Considérez que c'est autiste, naïf ou autre, peu me chaut ! Seule une optique sociale m'intéresse et m'a l'air pertinent pour étudier objectivement une situation ! Le reste... 🤪
Maintenant si je rencontre des Sud Africains qui en parlent, je serais ravi de partager des points de vue avec eux... Si je suis là pour découvrir un pays, je suis aussi là pour (dans la mesure du possible avec le temps) découvrir modestement un " esprit sud africain " ... !
Vous savez, il y a bien longtemps que la violence, en AFRIQUE DU SUD, a dépassé les clivages raciaux, sociaux ou économiques.
Il y a dix ans, deux de mes salariés malgaches en mission à DURBAN se sont fait agresser à coups de poings et de pieds.
L'un est mort, l'autre restera handicapé à vie.
Pourtant, ils étaient eux-mêmes noirs et n'avaint pas un sou en poche.
Il y a dix ans, deux de mes salariés malgaches en mission à DURBAN se sont fait agresser à coups de poings et de pieds.
L'un est mort, l'autre restera handicapé à vie.
Pourtant, ils étaient eux-mêmes noirs et n'avaint pas un sou en poche.
Coucou Lydie,
Tu suis toujours ? 😕
C'est heureusement assez rare de rencontrer des "pas marrants" sur cette partie du forum !
Quel bonheur ces merveilleux souvenirs de cette Afrique qui reviennent nous titiller régulièrement, isn't it ? 🙂 😉
Michelle
Relisez un peu vos messages, c'est à s'étrangler ! Vous arrivez complètement tétanisés par les hordes noires barbares qui sont prêtes à vous dauter dessus dès la sortie de l'aéroport et à vous écorcher vifs... C'est pitoyable ! Ces questions de merde sur la sécurité, on les entend partout, encore et encore !
Bien sûr qu'il y a des problèmes d'insécurité dans ce pays comme il peut y en avoir en Algérie ou au Brésil... Vous avez besoin de ce forum pour l'apprendre ? Mais bordel, si ça vous dérange, pourquoi y venez-vous ? Prenez vous un hôtel marmara dans je ne sais quel ghetto touristique en Turquie ou en Crête et basta !
Quand on vient dans un pays, surtout pour y vivre plusieurs mois, on l'accepte avec ce qu'il ya de bon et ce qu'il y a de mauvais : le mauvais ici, ce sont des stats qui indiquent que c'est un des pays les plus violents du monde, la belle affaire ! Qui souffre de la violence en premier lieu ? Ce sont les Sud Africains, pensez-y au lieu de vous préoccuper des deux semaines que vous allez passer ici à visiter Jo'burg ou le Cap en taxi !
Perte de temps que de discuter avec des gens aussi obtus !
Bien sûr qu'il y a des problèmes d'insécurité dans ce pays comme il peut y en avoir en Algérie ou au Brésil... Vous avez besoin de ce forum pour l'apprendre ? Mais bordel, si ça vous dérange, pourquoi y venez-vous ? Prenez vous un hôtel marmara dans je ne sais quel ghetto touristique en Turquie ou en Crête et basta !
Quand on vient dans un pays, surtout pour y vivre plusieurs mois, on l'accepte avec ce qu'il ya de bon et ce qu'il y a de mauvais : le mauvais ici, ce sont des stats qui indiquent que c'est un des pays les plus violents du monde, la belle affaire ! Qui souffre de la violence en premier lieu ? Ce sont les Sud Africains, pensez-y au lieu de vous préoccuper des deux semaines que vous allez passer ici à visiter Jo'burg ou le Cap en taxi !
Perte de temps que de discuter avec des gens aussi obtus !
Comme nous sommes entrés dans le domaine de l'insulte à travers les écrans (chose à laquelle je répugne mais bon...), laisse moi te dire deux ou trois choses persos :
J'ai mené durant un an un travail de recherche sur la corruption en AFS dans le cadre de mes études doctorales en sciences sociales en France, en partenariat avec l'Univesrité de Stellenbosch (Western Cape) et particulièrement avec leur School for Public Leadership , j'ai soutenu mon mémoire de recherche avec succès il y a quelques mois ce qui fait que j'ai eu la chance de décrocher un poste dans une agence de conférenciers du Cap, qui bosse en étroite association avec l'Univesrité de Stellenbosch.
Je peux donc poursuivre mes recherches sur place et avec l'excellent Professeur Garvin Woods, qui a crée l'Anti-corruption Centre for Education and Research (ACCERUS)... J'ai eu la chance d'assister dès mon arrivée il y a dix jours à une conférence de Desmond Tutu (que tu connaîs certainement) qui m'a épaté pour la force et la crédibilité qui se dégageaient de ses propos... Woods a dit lors d'une conférence : " Corruption caused investment to be deterred, employment levels to be lowered, international trade to suffer, resources to be misallocated and a country’s international reputation to be damaged”. Pas besoin d'en ajouter plus !
Pourquoi je te raconte ça ? Pour te dire que cette fameuse insécurité, source de fantasmes et de peurs n'est pas due à quelque fatalité ethnique ou divine ou que sais-je encore...
Tous les ans, des millions et des millions de Rands normalement destinés à l'amélioration des condtions de vie de la population sud-africaine se perdent dans des canaux qui ont des ramifications autant dans le monde politique que dans le monde économique, autant dans le monde de la société cicile (syndicats ou NGO etc) que dans celuid e la culture (encore un scandale récent avec un théâtre du Cap)... C'est ce genre de causes sociales qui seules sont pertinentes pour tenter de donner une explication " rationnelle " à cette insécurité endémique.
On en a strictement rien à faire de savoir qu'un " vigile noir d'un KFC de Jo'burg a prévenu deux touristes hollandais que les Noirs du quartier pourraient leur causer du tort et a donc appelé la police pour les raccompagner à leur hôtel"... Le potentiel d'exploitation de cette " info " est nul ! Ou de savoir s'il y a des blancs dans les transports en commun des grandes villes du pays : qu'est ce que ça prouve ? Qu'est-ce que ça démontre ? S'il y avait plus de blancs dans les bus du Cap ou de Durban, il y aurait moins d'insécurité ?
Ce qui m'intéresse, ce sont les études menées par des chercheurs courageux qui à une expérience pratique sur place conjugue un travail intellectuel de plusieurs années, ce qui m'intéresse c'est de lire tous les jours les chrioniques de Jonathan Jansen sur sa vision de l'AFS dans " The Times ", bref, ce qui m'intéresse c'est la profondeur des choses et non la " micro sociologie de comptoir " qui ne sert qu'à égarer les esprits...
En arrivant ici, je savais pertinemment que le degré de " sécurité " (notion sur laquelle on pourrait discuter des heures aussi d'ailleurs) ne serait pas le même qu'à Paris, Bruxelles ou Berlin... Ce n'est pas la première fois que je m'installe dans des villes dites " dangereuses " (Buenos Aires, Alger, Rio, Mexico pour en citer quelques unes) : je l'accepte et agis en conséquence, voilà tout ! Je vais pas aller poster sur un forum des message à ce sujet : qu'est ce que je peux apprendre de plus ?
Je prétends pas connaître ce pays, loin s'en faut mais mon but ici, c'est de concretiser des mois de travail, de renconrtre des gens intéressants, des acteurs clés de la lutte pour la transparence et la bonne gouvernance...
Vous dites qu'ici les Noirs abordent " sans pudeur " la question raciale ? N'oubliez pas que depuis les Boers, les Noirs ont été OFFICIELLEMENT et SYSTEMATIQUEMENT considérés comme indignes de comprendre les enjeux de leur Etat... On ne sort pas indemne de ces décennies de dénigrement de leur culture et de leurs capacités intellectuelles même avec l'avènement de la démocratie et de l'égalité FORMELLE entre citoyens...
Le sentiment d'infériorité est encore présent. Un exemple marquant : Danny Jordaan, l'organisateur du succès phénoménal que fut la World Cup 2010 : on ne l'entend pas, on ne le voit pas alors que pour moi, ce bonhomme est tout simplement un héros pour avoir organisé un tel évènement avec le monde entier qui l'attendait au tournant, prêt à fondre comme des vautours sur l'échec non seulement de l'Afrique du Sud mais aussi de l'Afrique en général...
Je suis toujours extrêmement titillé, voire blessé quand on évoque comme ça l'insécurité, terme fourre-tout qu'on utilise à tort et à travers... Si la sécurité, c'est avoir la possibilité de prendre des belles photos du Waterfront ou des Tables Montains en toute quiétude, aucun souci le pays dans ce cas est très sûr...
Désolé pour ce laïus un peu long,
Salutations.
Neuneu
J'ai mené durant un an un travail de recherche sur la corruption en AFS dans le cadre de mes études doctorales en sciences sociales en France, en partenariat avec l'Univesrité de Stellenbosch (Western Cape) et particulièrement avec leur School for Public Leadership , j'ai soutenu mon mémoire de recherche avec succès il y a quelques mois ce qui fait que j'ai eu la chance de décrocher un poste dans une agence de conférenciers du Cap, qui bosse en étroite association avec l'Univesrité de Stellenbosch.
Je peux donc poursuivre mes recherches sur place et avec l'excellent Professeur Garvin Woods, qui a crée l'Anti-corruption Centre for Education and Research (ACCERUS)... J'ai eu la chance d'assister dès mon arrivée il y a dix jours à une conférence de Desmond Tutu (que tu connaîs certainement) qui m'a épaté pour la force et la crédibilité qui se dégageaient de ses propos... Woods a dit lors d'une conférence : " Corruption caused investment to be deterred, employment levels to be lowered, international trade to suffer, resources to be misallocated and a country’s international reputation to be damaged”. Pas besoin d'en ajouter plus !
Pourquoi je te raconte ça ? Pour te dire que cette fameuse insécurité, source de fantasmes et de peurs n'est pas due à quelque fatalité ethnique ou divine ou que sais-je encore...
Tous les ans, des millions et des millions de Rands normalement destinés à l'amélioration des condtions de vie de la population sud-africaine se perdent dans des canaux qui ont des ramifications autant dans le monde politique que dans le monde économique, autant dans le monde de la société cicile (syndicats ou NGO etc) que dans celuid e la culture (encore un scandale récent avec un théâtre du Cap)... C'est ce genre de causes sociales qui seules sont pertinentes pour tenter de donner une explication " rationnelle " à cette insécurité endémique.
On en a strictement rien à faire de savoir qu'un " vigile noir d'un KFC de Jo'burg a prévenu deux touristes hollandais que les Noirs du quartier pourraient leur causer du tort et a donc appelé la police pour les raccompagner à leur hôtel"... Le potentiel d'exploitation de cette " info " est nul ! Ou de savoir s'il y a des blancs dans les transports en commun des grandes villes du pays : qu'est ce que ça prouve ? Qu'est-ce que ça démontre ? S'il y avait plus de blancs dans les bus du Cap ou de Durban, il y aurait moins d'insécurité ?
Ce qui m'intéresse, ce sont les études menées par des chercheurs courageux qui à une expérience pratique sur place conjugue un travail intellectuel de plusieurs années, ce qui m'intéresse c'est de lire tous les jours les chrioniques de Jonathan Jansen sur sa vision de l'AFS dans " The Times ", bref, ce qui m'intéresse c'est la profondeur des choses et non la " micro sociologie de comptoir " qui ne sert qu'à égarer les esprits...
En arrivant ici, je savais pertinemment que le degré de " sécurité " (notion sur laquelle on pourrait discuter des heures aussi d'ailleurs) ne serait pas le même qu'à Paris, Bruxelles ou Berlin... Ce n'est pas la première fois que je m'installe dans des villes dites " dangereuses " (Buenos Aires, Alger, Rio, Mexico pour en citer quelques unes) : je l'accepte et agis en conséquence, voilà tout ! Je vais pas aller poster sur un forum des message à ce sujet : qu'est ce que je peux apprendre de plus ?
Je prétends pas connaître ce pays, loin s'en faut mais mon but ici, c'est de concretiser des mois de travail, de renconrtre des gens intéressants, des acteurs clés de la lutte pour la transparence et la bonne gouvernance...
Vous dites qu'ici les Noirs abordent " sans pudeur " la question raciale ? N'oubliez pas que depuis les Boers, les Noirs ont été OFFICIELLEMENT et SYSTEMATIQUEMENT considérés comme indignes de comprendre les enjeux de leur Etat... On ne sort pas indemne de ces décennies de dénigrement de leur culture et de leurs capacités intellectuelles même avec l'avènement de la démocratie et de l'égalité FORMELLE entre citoyens...
Le sentiment d'infériorité est encore présent. Un exemple marquant : Danny Jordaan, l'organisateur du succès phénoménal que fut la World Cup 2010 : on ne l'entend pas, on ne le voit pas alors que pour moi, ce bonhomme est tout simplement un héros pour avoir organisé un tel évènement avec le monde entier qui l'attendait au tournant, prêt à fondre comme des vautours sur l'échec non seulement de l'Afrique du Sud mais aussi de l'Afrique en général...
Je suis toujours extrêmement titillé, voire blessé quand on évoque comme ça l'insécurité, terme fourre-tout qu'on utilise à tort et à travers... Si la sécurité, c'est avoir la possibilité de prendre des belles photos du Waterfront ou des Tables Montains en toute quiétude, aucun souci le pays dans ce cas est très sûr...
Désolé pour ce laïus un peu long,
Salutations.
Neuneu
bonjour
très interréssant ton laïus .
pour ma part je ne suis resté que 2 semaines en ADS en octobre et je n'ai pas ressentit plus d'insécurité qu'ailleurs , et bien entendu avant mon départ on me regardais comme une inconsciente ...
mais j'ai l'habitude , je vais même au Mali , imagine !!!!
bon séjour dans ce beau pays .
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
Oh yes !!!
Amitiés.
lydie
http://www.surlesailesdelaurore.com
"Si je prends les ailes de l'aurore, Et que j'aille habiter à l'extrémité de la mer"... Psaume 139/9
"Si je prends les ailes de l'aurore, Et que j'aille habiter à l'extrémité de la mer"... Psaume 139/9
Alors tout d'abord pardon pardon pardon d'avoir sucitée une polémyque sur ce forum , j'étais loin d'imaginer que mes "vicères" de mère inquiète et ignorante amèneraient à tout ça ....
Je me suis inscrite sur ce forum justement parce que je ne connais absolument pas ce pays sauf ce que j'ai pu apprendre de son histoire et c'est justement pour ça que mon fils a choisi d'aller là bas pour son stage en étant conscient que comme dans tout pays ou l'on a utilisé un peuple il y aurait forcément une insécuritée ....presque ....justifiée, et en vous écrivant cela je m'incline avec respect devant tous ceux qui en ont été victime.
Mon fils n' as pas mesuré a quel point ce pays était encore loin d' une justice social
il est parti dans le pays de mandela ....avec toute la naiveté d'un étudiant de 20 ans qui a des valeurs, pour faire un stage chez un français dans une boite française et qui n'est pas capable de lui indiqué justement quelques codes pour fonctionner serainement , il est blanc oui et parce qu'on ne le guide pas il est obligé de suivre le seul code qu il observe , il y a les blancs dans de grosses cylindrées et les blacks dans des bus , d'ou ma question idiote mal formulée mais c'était juste une question pour vous amener a me donner toutes les infos sur le moyen de se déplacer entre blouberg et cap town et tout ce que vous pouvez m'apprendre , que je lui transmettrai , pour pouvoir fonctionner avec respect dans ce pays .
merci
merci
kat
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Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Dream of standing on the roof of Africa at 5,895 m? I’m looking for 4 people to complete our group for the Kilimanjaro ascent in Tanzania. 📅 September 17–28, 2026 👥 Small group 🥾 Suitable for experienced hikers 🏔️ Goal: Uhuru Peak – 5,895 m 🇹🇿 Local team specialized in Kilimanjaro 🎒 Porters during the ascent 🍽️ Meals and trek organization included 🧗♂️ Trip led by a French state-certified Mountain Leader
September is a great time to attempt the Kilimanjaro ascent. 🔥 Only 4 spots left. The departure is confirmed. No need to be a mountaineer—just be in good shape, love hiking, and want to experience an incredible adventure. 👋 If you’re alone, no problem: you’ll join our small group directly. 📧 Send me a message for the full program, price, and all the details.
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
Hi everyone!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
hi
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
Hi there,
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi,
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?