Air France: Paris-Berne
by Lascarb
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Air France va ouvrir la ligne à compter du 19 janvier prochain, 2 vols/jour en semaine 1 le we.
Bonsoir,
Je suis très étonnée qu'il y ait 2 vols par jour. Y avait-il donc une telle demande ? Même si Berne est la capitale du pays, le vrai centre économique est Zurich.
Danielle
Je suis très étonnée qu'il y ait 2 vols par jour. Y avait-il donc une telle demande ? Même si Berne est la capitale du pays, le vrai centre économique est Zurich.
Danielle
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D'apres les horaires, l'avion "dormirait" à Berne, ferait un aller retour le matin et un autre en soirée. Sauf si Air France utilise l'appareil pour un autre vol depuis Berne, sinon il devrait rester toute la journée sur place. L'avion sera un ATR 42-500 d'Airlinair.
Pour ce qui est des fréquences, elles permettent à Air France de s'orienter sur un trafic affaires, permettant l'aller retour journée avec un aéroport de destination proche de Paris. La désserte ferroviaire, exploitée par Lyria, filiale de la SNCF et des CFF SA, est relativement lente, environ 4h30, et peu fréquente, 2 à 3 rotations par jour. A noter que cette ligne avait déja été opérée par Crossair en Saab 340 en code share avec Air France, l'avion effectuait Lugano Berne Paris, à raison de trois aller retour quotidiens.
Berne est cependant la capitale politique de la Suisse, proche de la "watch valley" et des centres industriels de Fribourg et des industries d'armement de Thoune.
A noter que l'aéroport de Berne Belp est tres facilement accessible par le RER Bernois (lignes S3 S33 des BLS AG) du centre ville, ainsi que des régions tres touristiques de l'Oberland Bernois, voir meme de Zermatt dans le Valais, acces beaucoup plus rapide que par les autres aéroports de Milan, Geneve, Zurich ou Bale.
Le choix de Orly pour ce vol est peut etre surprenant. Cependant il permet d'offrir des correspondances vers les Caraibes, destination non desservie par les charters suisses (Edelweiss Air, Belair) et peu présente dans les catalogues des Tours Operateurs locaux. Pour du trafic affaires, Orly est plus pratique que CDG et plus proche d'acces de Paris. Londres City est également proposée au départ de cet aéroport Parisien.
Les mauvaises langues diront qu'il s'agit pour Air France de faire des vols "bidons" pour occuper de la place et éviter à Easyjet de prendre plus de place...
Pour ce qui est des fréquences, elles permettent à Air France de s'orienter sur un trafic affaires, permettant l'aller retour journée avec un aéroport de destination proche de Paris. La désserte ferroviaire, exploitée par Lyria, filiale de la SNCF et des CFF SA, est relativement lente, environ 4h30, et peu fréquente, 2 à 3 rotations par jour. A noter que cette ligne avait déja été opérée par Crossair en Saab 340 en code share avec Air France, l'avion effectuait Lugano Berne Paris, à raison de trois aller retour quotidiens.
Berne est cependant la capitale politique de la Suisse, proche de la "watch valley" et des centres industriels de Fribourg et des industries d'armement de Thoune.
A noter que l'aéroport de Berne Belp est tres facilement accessible par le RER Bernois (lignes S3 S33 des BLS AG) du centre ville, ainsi que des régions tres touristiques de l'Oberland Bernois, voir meme de Zermatt dans le Valais, acces beaucoup plus rapide que par les autres aéroports de Milan, Geneve, Zurich ou Bale.
Le choix de Orly pour ce vol est peut etre surprenant. Cependant il permet d'offrir des correspondances vers les Caraibes, destination non desservie par les charters suisses (Edelweiss Air, Belair) et peu présente dans les catalogues des Tours Operateurs locaux. Pour du trafic affaires, Orly est plus pratique que CDG et plus proche d'acces de Paris. Londres City est également proposée au départ de cet aéroport Parisien.
Les mauvaises langues diront qu'il s'agit pour Air France de faire des vols "bidons" pour occuper de la place et éviter à Easyjet de prendre plus de place...
Bonjour,
Puisque vous me semblez tous bien informés, pourrai-je connaitre le prix approximatif de ce vol ?
L'aéroport de Bern-Belp est-il classé "Catégorie III" ?
Parce que j'ai connu plusieurs vols Paris-Bern-Lugano ne pouvant pas atterrir par temps de brouillard et détournés sur Zurick ...Pas vraiment pratique... 😕
(Bon d'accord, cela fait un petit moment maintenant, tout le monde ne peut pas avoir 20 ans....😊)
@micalement,
Lorraine78
À partir de 153€ A/R, pas donné quoi (mais bon en ATR42, pas étonnant).
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D'apres les horaires, l'avion "dormirait" à Berne, ferait un aller retour le matin et un autre en soirée. Sauf si Air France utilise l'appareil pour un autre vol depuis Berne, sinon il devrait rester toute la journée sur place. L'avion sera un ATR 42-500 d'Airlinair.
Oui, c'est étonnant, le coût de l'hébergement + indemnités de station de 3 personnes (2PNT+1PNC) à Berne, qui n'est pas une ville bon marché, doit être important, comparé au chiffre d'affaires relativement modeste généré par l'ATR-42.
Oui, c'est étonnant, le coût de l'hébergement + indemnités de station de 3 personnes (2PNT+1PNC) à Berne, qui n'est pas une ville bon marché, doit être important, comparé au chiffre d'affaires relativement modeste généré par l'ATR-42.
cette ligne est une fumisterie sans nom !
Air France bloque ORY et monopolise des slots avec des rotations pourraves en ATR .
Alors que d'autres cies (pas forcement Easyjet) galèrent pour obtenir des slots à ORY !
HONTEUX
La "saturation" d'ORY ne devrait pas permettre à AIR FRANCE d'ouvrir des lignes de niches .
ORY pour moi à vocation de desservir le trafic domestique et les grosses platerformes europeennes .
Berne ca doit etre du trafic pour CDG comme Séville, Florence ....
Viadi, laisse moi rire, je sais que tu es fan de la Suisse, mais comparer Berne à London city ... les bras m'en tombent 😏
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Ca n'a rien à voir avec etre fan de suisse... La région est magnifique, la ville de Berne et la proche région de la Jungfrau sont inscrits au patrimoine mondial de l'humanité... mais ce n'est pas pour cela que je défend cette ligne !! Vu les tarifs pratiqués je ne suis pas pret de la prendre...
Pour ce qui est de Orly, ca permet aussi d'offrir des correspondances différentes par rapport aux lignes de Zurich et Geneve, une certaine complémentarité !!
Pour ce qui est d'Easyjet... alors supprimons la ligne ORY GVA qui bénéfie d'une tres bonne désserte ferroviaire en 3h30... Et si il y a un probleme de capacité, l'arguement peut etre retourné contre la compagnie orange : si un operateur veut faire du long courrier en A330, A340 ou B747, les petits A319 oranges devront partir...
Pour ce qui est de Londres City, si il est vrai que les vols du matin doivent etre tres prisés (souvent ouvert uniquement à la business) les vols de journée sont quasi systématiquement en N9 !!
Pour ce qui est des vols "bidons"... on pourrait citer ORY Cean avec Chalair !!
Pour ce qui est de Orly, ca permet aussi d'offrir des correspondances différentes par rapport aux lignes de Zurich et Geneve, une certaine complémentarité !!
Pour ce qui est d'Easyjet... alors supprimons la ligne ORY GVA qui bénéfie d'une tres bonne désserte ferroviaire en 3h30... Et si il y a un probleme de capacité, l'arguement peut etre retourné contre la compagnie orange : si un operateur veut faire du long courrier en A330, A340 ou B747, les petits A319 oranges devront partir...
Pour ce qui est de Londres City, si il est vrai que les vols du matin doivent etre tres prisés (souvent ouvert uniquement à la business) les vols de journée sont quasi systématiquement en N9 !!
Pour ce qui est des vols "bidons"... on pourrait citer ORY Cean avec Chalair !!
il n'y a meme pas un ORY ZRH qui aurait été bien plus judicieux que cette ligne pourrave vers Bern
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PAR Paris Metro FR = BVA CDG ORY
BRN Berne Belp CH
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OK donc le 153€ que j'ai annoncé plus haut n'est qu'un prix d'appel pour l'ouverture de la ligne... À partir du 1er avril, compter donc un trajet à partir de 233€ A/R après cela !
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Le meilleur rapport qualité-prix pour se rendre en suisse est de prendre Air France sur Paris (ORY ou CDG) -Mulhouse puis le car postal (exploité par la poste suisse) jusqu'à la gare de Bale CFF.
Les tarifs pour Mulhouse sont aux alentours de 110 EUR TTC, 20 kgs de bagage inclus gratuitement, attribution du siege, service gratuit à bord, journaux à disposition, carte de fidélité, vols en Airbus A32s ou E-jet
Pour Berne, trajet en 57 minutes, deux départs par heure, exploités partiellement par la Deutsche Bahn et Cisalpino AG, tous les trains offrant un service irreprochable et un confort remarquable ! La quasi totalité des trains a une voiture restaurant.
Les tarifs pour Mulhouse sont aux alentours de 110 EUR TTC, 20 kgs de bagage inclus gratuitement, attribution du siege, service gratuit à bord, journaux à disposition, carte de fidélité, vols en Airbus A32s ou E-jet
Pour Berne, trajet en 57 minutes, deux départs par heure, exploités partiellement par la Deutsche Bahn et Cisalpino AG, tous les trains offrant un service irreprochable et un confort remarquable ! La quasi totalité des trains a une voiture restaurant.
Cette publicité vous étais présentée par Viadi, ambassadeur officiel de Suisse en France
Avec le concours d'Air France et des chemins de fer suisse .🙂
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Même si je suis sceptique sur cette ligne da la à dire que c'est une fumisterie sans nom ... J'espère cependant que cette ligne fonctionne correctement.
Par ailleurs, que ce sois à ORY ou sur un autre aéroport, il n'est pas possible de retirer des créneaux à une compagnie si elle les utilise (ce qui peut paraître logique. En effet une compagnie va vraiment hésiter à ouvrir une ligne sur un aéroport si elle sait qu'elle ne peu utiliser les créneaux à sa convenance et s'ils peuvent lui être retirés comme ça). EasyJet a fait un peu comme Air France en abandonnant Madrid au départ d'Orly tout en gardant les créneaux pour un 5ème vols quotidiens vers Toulouse (prenant cette ligne régulièrement l'offre est déjà importante mais pour EasyJet c'était le moins risqué et le moins coûteux pour conserver ces créneaux) et en en demandant d'autres, en les obtenant enfin, pour ouvrir ORY-Budapest. Que dire d'Air Berlin qui va désormais opérer une partie de ses vols au départ d'Orly avec des Q400 ? Il ne faut pas non plus oublier le scandale des vols à vide de BA au départ d'Heathrow pour garder les créneaux. Les principes dans la loi du marché ...
Concernant les rotations en ATR, elles sont très souvent effectuées pour des raisons de service public (Beziers, limoge, Rodez, Périgueux, etc etc). C'est l'Etat qui veut que les lignes de services au départ de PAris partent d'Orly, donc bloquent des créneaux, alors que cet aéroport est limité et que CDG est un hub. Aerocondor, une compagnie portugaise, a accepté de prendre un de ces marchés pour des vols vers Agen mais a abandonné la ligne au bout d'un an. Par ailleurs les créneaux réservés pour les lignes de service publics, donc par l'Etat, sont souvent à des heures les plus prisées. Des créneaux sont par ex réservés depuis des années pour des vols vers ... Grenoble qui n'ont jamais eu lieu !!!!
Ce qui me dérange le plus de la part d'AIR FRANCE c'est qu'elle n'utilise pas tous les créneaux tout en ne les restituant pas.
Par ailleurs EasyJet peut se plaindre mais quand MyAir a voulu les concurrencer sur ORY-Rome, FlyBaboo et Swiss sur ORY-Genève, Meridiana sur Ory- Milan Linate et j'en passe toutes ont été recalées. Je suis ainsi plus que favorable à ce que par exemple Lufthansa Italia obtienne des créneaux pour ORY-Malpensa. Pour le moment elle compte opérer CDG - Malpensa alors que Milan est très bien desservi au départ de CDG et mal d'ORY.
Pour ce qui est de la vocation d'Orly qui serait de ne desservir le trafic domestique et les grosses platerformes europeennes, ça serait complètement idiot. Ca serait obligé de virer les compagnies africaines, l'Avion/Openskies, Midex, Corsair et j'en passe. Pourquoi ORY ne pourrait pas desservir l'Amérique sud et nord, l'Afrique, le moyen Orient, etc ? Le bruit des avions pour les riverains ? Entre le bruit d'un A320/B737 et le bruit d'un A330/B777 ... Un aéroport avec 2 grandes pistes, des infrastructures qui peuvent accueillir des gros porteurs juste pour accueillir des petits/moyens porteurs, ça serait vraiment du gâchi (c'est déjà le cas) pour des nuisances qui seraient équivalentes avec encore plus de perte d'emplois pour le sud parisiens.
pourquoi Berne ca doit etre forcément du trafic pour CDG comme Séville, Florence .... ? Pour ma part qu'Orly desservent plus d'ATR ne me choque cependant pas. En effet les lignes effectuées par des ATR étant surtout des lignes d'affaires, vu le temps de roulage qu'il peut y avoir à CDG et la proximité de Paris, Orly est plus adapté il me semble. D'autre part Paris-Séville n'est effectué qu'au départ d'Orly (ce qui n'est pas pour me déplaire car j'y vais bientôt et que j'habite juste à côté de l'aéroport d'Orly).
Ces vols s'adressent essentiellement à une clientèle d'affaire.
Clientèle d'affaire ... qui fait des affaires à Berne ?
Les seules affaires bernoises sont politiques. C'est là que siège notre Conseil fédéral et que se tiennent les sessions du Conseil national et du Conseil des Etats.
Ces hommes/femmes viennent de tous les coins de Suisse donc ce n'est pas eux qui constituent une clientèle pour cette ligne Paris-Berne.
A part la politique, il ne se passe rien à Berne ou alors on nous l'aurait caché😏.
Danielle
Clientèle d'affaire ... qui fait des affaires à Berne ?
Les seules affaires bernoises sont politiques. C'est là que siège notre Conseil fédéral et que se tiennent les sessions du Conseil national et du Conseil des Etats.
Ces hommes/femmes viennent de tous les coins de Suisse donc ce n'est pas eux qui constituent une clientèle pour cette ligne Paris-Berne.
A part la politique, il ne se passe rien à Berne ou alors on nous l'aurait caché😏.
Danielle
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Arrivé à Rennes, pas de bagage, comme c'est le cas de 5 personnes.
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Avec l'aide du personnel de l'aéroport, je fais une réclamation par internet et Mon bagage est quadi directement localisé, en conséquence je l'aurai le lendemain.
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After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Since it came into force, Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council, which defines air passenger rights, has faced fierce resistance from airlines, backed by IATA (the association representing almost all passenger airlines).
Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
As a result, the Council and the Commission have been proposing revisions to Regulation 261/2004 for years that are particularly unfavorable to passengers. The latest attempt nearly eliminated the right to compensation for delays of 3 hours or more upon arrival at the final destination.
However, since this is a regulation of both the European Parliament AND the Council, the two bodies had to agree.
But the European Parliament has always stood firm, consistently responding that passenger rights must be preserved.
After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
Hi,
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
Hi there,
I traveled in June 2025 with Nouvelair Destinations to Hammamet.
I had one checked bag and one carry-on sized 40x24x30, which I usually take on low-cost flights, and I didn’t have any issues. But I just read on a website that Nouvel Air only accepts carry-ons of 40x20x15. I’m flying back to Djerba in June—what do you think? Especially since that size is impossible to find??????? Thanks
Hi, it's my first time taking a plane and I chose EasyJet for a Geneva -> Barcelona flight.
I booked my ticket.
I received my booking reference by email, but I don’t see the actual ticket (barcode or QR code?).
Then I checked in to get the boarding pass with the flight details, QR code, etc. But does this boarding pass act as the ticket?
Because I’ve seen several times online that the flight ticket and the boarding pass aren’t the same thing.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi,
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
Hi,
Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Hello, some (potentially) good news for Brazil lovers—GOL airline is launching a route to Europe from Rio, starting in September for Lisbon, then Paris at a later date that hasn’t been announced yet.
They’ll be using their new A330-900 neo.
No prices have been announced so far, but hopefully we’ll find direct flights from GIG at a more interesting fare than AF or Latam…
Hello,
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
Hello,
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
Hi,
It's all in the title—this means nothing's getting through, so no more oil.
In Europe, kerosene reserves are still good, but by the end of April, flights will have to be reduced.
European airports fear running out of kerosene if the Strait of Hormuz isn’t reopened within three weeks
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
Hi there!
Has anyone taken the direct flight from CDG to Las Vegas with Air France?
Looking forward to your feedback!
Hey everyone,
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
Hi there,
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
Hi there,
I’d like to return to Uzbekistan next April for 10 days with my husband to visit our son who lives there. We went last July and I bought the flight tickets (direct flight from Paris on Uzbekistan Airways) about 2 months in advance at very reasonable prices. I’ve been checking for late April for a few weeks now, and the tickets are much more expensive and keep rising. I can’t figure out if the prices are going up because it’s still a bit too early to buy and they’ll likely drop if the planes aren’t full, or if it’s because the period is actually in high demand. For reference, last year I bought my son’s ticket on May 30th for a departure on June 3rd—just 3 days later—at a very low price that didn’t budge at all.
Just in case, does anyone know the pricing trends for this airline and can advise me? Should I wait or not?
Thanks, and feel free to ask if you need any tips about the country!
My wife bought a flight ticket (Lucky Air) under her Thai maiden name and was issued a Chinese visa on her new Thai passport but with her French married name (due to administrative requirements). She was denied boarding by the airline in Bangkok for the flight to Kunming—resulting in the loss of our round-trip flight tickets, including mine since we were traveling together—despite presenting both passports at the airline counter at the same time.
Hi there.
I’m planning a trip to Chile, and the fares from the Colombian airline Avianca are really appealing.
Way cheaper than Air France, for example.
That said, the reviews I’ve seen online aren’t great.
What do you think of this airline?
Have any of you taken long-haul flights with Avianca?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Eric
Hi there,
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace. It’s this model: https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
Thanks in advance! Best regards,
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace. It’s this model: https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
Thanks in advance! Best regards,
Hi there,
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date." See the photo. Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
Best, Thierry
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date." See the photo. Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
Best, Thierry






