Bonjour, j'avais déjà posé une question il y a quelques semaines à propos de tempo jeune. Je ne savais donc pas s'il fallait que je prolonge la discussion dans l'autre sujet.
je vous explique mon problème.
J'ai consulté (hier encore) le site air france en simulant une réservation Lyon-Singapour A/R avec le tarif jeune Majeur. Le prix était en Tempo L (880€ à peu pres A/R). Aujourd'hui voulant réserver, les tarifs sont passés à 1400 € A/R avec un tarif tempo K.
Est-ce que quelqu'un pourrait m'éclairer sur ce dernier tarif ?
Plus vous attendez pour réserver, moins vous trouverez de tarifs planchers.
Il n'y a pas, autant que je sache, de tarif jeune spécifique
Sur le site d'Air France on vous propose de rentrer des dates précises ou des dates flexibles: cela conditionne les tarifs que l'on vous propose.
Du moins cher au plus cher, voici les codes de tarif sur cette destination: L-V-T-H-K-B-Y
Pouvez vous dire quelles sont vos dates de voyage?
Sauf erreur, je ne suis pas spécialiste, ce tarif KWEEK14 est le premier vendable car votre retour est dans 6 mois. ( 31/1-08/7)
Les tarifs moins chers sont réservés aux séjours plus courts...
L et V: 1mois T:45j H: 2mois KL/KH: 3 mois, KWEEK14: 6mois
Mais peut-être y a-t-il des dérogations... notre ami Brasuca pourrait nous en dire plus🙂
je ne maitrise pas encore trop KVS, mais d'apres le logiciel, il resterai des places en classe L pour un vol le 31/01/08 CDG->SIN (sauf si j'ai mal lu). Or Air France ne me propose que du K... 😮
il y a quand même un vrai problème sur cette destination car, quelque date que l'on essaie, par exemple dans deux mois pour un séjour de 10 jours, on ne trouve que du K...
peut etre que ma remarque va sembler abérante, mais n'étant pas sur de partir il y a encore 4 jours de cela, j'avais essayé de réserver ce vol pour un départ le lendemain et le prix était d'environ 850 € A/R et avec un tarif L (dans le récapitulatif). et ce changement (de L à K) et apparu du jour au lendemain sur tout les vols pour singapour 😮
c'est un trait d'humour... pour faire réagir ceux qui le peuvent!
Tous les tarifs sont revenus ce matin, donc c'était bien un bug, et on ne saura jamais ce qui s'est passé...
Merci pour ton intervention😎
Au contraire ca change tout pour lui, as-tu lu son premier message? il est en tarification Jeune Majeur, donc il beneficie d'un LLZZ, a 880 EUR, meme pour un sejour de 5 mois!
Salut!
Tu as l'air de t'y connaitre en tarification Air France
Je voyage en tempo jeune et j'aimerais savoir quelle est la meilleure période pour réserver un vol vers les USA en juillet-aout prochain (aller le 27/07/09 vers SFO, retour le 16/08/09 depuis NYC).
En outre, quelqu'un peut-il m'expliquer les différents tarifs AF en tempo? J'ai un peu du mal à m'y retrouver entre toutes les lettres K, L, V, O... et tout ce qu'elles signifient!
pour tes dates, j'arrive à un montant de 1229€ TTC avec des escales sur les vols aller et retour. Ce ne sont pas des vols AF, mais NW ou Icelandair au retour...
Merci! j'ai fait plusieurs recherches et je trouve en effet ce genre de tarif chez AF.
mais j'aurais voulu que quelqu'un m'explique la signification de toutes les petites lettres qui peuvent apparaître dans le tarif, du genre Tempo O, Tempo N, Tempo V, Tempo K..... ça veut dire quoi tout ça exactement?
En fait, il s'agit de classes tarifaires dont découlent un certain nombre de services et de règles. Un prix différent, des conditions d'échanges différentes, des cumuls de mils différents. En gros, chaque compagnie se détermine le nombre de place à tel tarif et quand ils ont vendu ces billets à ce tarif, ben ils vendent le tarif un peu plus cher mais avec des conditions meilleures... Ce sont des quotas de places dans l'avion déterminant le prix. Mais dans l'avion, tu peux te retrouver assis à côté d'une personne qui aura payé plus ou moins cher que ce que toi tu auras payé...
Et comme tout ceci est un peu obscur, je suppose qu'il est impossible de savoir la signification de chacune de ces lettres (conditions de modification du billet, cumul de points, prix reduit, tarif jeunes...)?
Non, ce n'est pas impossible, il vous faut avoir un logiciel dédié, style "KVS tool".
Vous pouvez avoir un aperçu abrégé des contraintes du tarif que vous choisissez quand vous cliquez sur les conditions du billet, sur le site d'Air France.
D'autres compagnies vous permettent de voir les conditions complètes (Continental...)
Expédia le permettait autrefois, mais ils ont arrêté depuis quelques temps, ce qui fait que l'on ne sait plus quelle est la classe de code qu'on achète et si celle -ci génère des miles pour les voyageurs fréquents.
Voici l'ensemble des codes de prix sur San Francisco ( c'est toujours en anglais)
Vous pouvez voir que les tarifs vont de 335 € (hors taxes) en éco jusqu'à 4840 € (HT)
La différence c'est l'utilisation possible:
le plus cher YRT ( pour résumer) est remboursable, modifiable, utilisable à n'importe quelle date, et vous pouvez faire autant d'escale que vous le souhaitez sans supplément, mais vous êtes toujours en éco...
le moins cher NPRFR (pour résumer ) est un tarif qui expire le 31/12, qui doit comporter une nuit du samedi au dimanche sur place, qui ne peut pas durer plus d'un mois entre le départ et le retour et qui n'est ni modifiable, ni remboursable.
Chaque code de tarif est détaillé à part, si vous le souhaitez je pourrai vous mettre un exemple de ces détails pour un code, mais ce post est déjà très conséquent 😎
CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle FR
SFO San Francisco Int'l CA US
RT Nov-Oct
Carrier From To Fare Cur Expiry Min Max Fare Basis-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
AF PAR SFO 335 EUR 31 Dec Sun 1M NPRFR
AF PAR SFO 335 EUR 26 Mar Sun 1M QPRFR
AF PAR SFO 436 EUR Sun 1M LL5AP30
AF PAR SFO 436 EUR 10 30 LL5BAP10
AF PAR SFO 489 EUR Sun 1M LK5AP30
AF PAR SFO 489 EUR 10 30 LK5BAP10
AF PAR SFO 528 EUR 7 1M VL4AP21
AF PAR SFO 528 EUR 10 30 VL4BAP10
AF PAR SFO 580 EUR 7 1M VK4AP21
AF PAR SFO 580 EUR 10 30 VK4BAP10
AF PAR SFO 592 EUR Sun 1M LJ5AP30
AF PAR SFO 592 EUR 10 30 LJ5BAP10
AF PAR SFO 620 EUR 7 45 TL3AP14
AF PAR SFO 672 EUR 7 45 TK3AP14
AF PAR SFO 683 EUR 7 1M VJ4AP21
AF PAR SFO 683 EUR 10 30 VJ4BAP10
AF PAR SFO 775 EUR 7 45 TJ3AP14
AF PAR SFO 847 EUR 7 2M HL2AP7
AF PAR SFO 902 EUR 7 2M HK2AP7
AF PAR SFO 934 EUR 7 1M VH4AP21
AF PAR SFO 934 EUR 10 30 VH4BAP10
AF PAR SFO 1004 EUR 7 2M HJ2AP7
AF PAR SFO 1026 EUR 7 45 TH3AP14
AF PAR SFO 1100 EUR Sun 3M KLPXT1
AF PAR SFO 1153 EUR Sun 3M KKPXT1
AF PAR SFO 1254 EUR 7 2M HH2AP7
AF PAR SFO 1254 EUR Sun 3M KJPXT1
AF PAR SFO 1507 EUR Sun 3M KHPXT1
AF PAR SFO 1730 EUR 4 6M KWEEK14
AF PAR SFO 1879 EUR Sun 3M KT0
AF PAR SFO 2146 EUR 3 6M BWEEK7
AF PAR SFO 3074 EUR 7 45 ZLOISIR
AF PAR SFO 3074 EUR 01 Jan Sun 45 ZPROMO14
AF PAR SFO 3148 EUR 6M YWEEK7
AF PAR SFO 3200 EUR 3 6M BEEFR
AF PAR SFO 4840 EUR YRT
AF PAR SFO 4840 EUR YRT1
AF PAR SFO 5339 EUR 4 6M DWEEK14
AF PAR SFO 6634 EUR 4 6M CWEEK14
AF PAR SFO 7623 EUR CRT
AF PAR SFO 7623 EUR CRT1
AF PAR SFO 8556 EUR JRT
AF PAR SFO 8556 EUR JRT1
AF PAR SFO 12704 EUR PRT
AF PAR SFO 12704 EUR PRT1
En affaires vous avez les lettres Z, D, C, I, J et en première P.
Il y a même des promos en Première: le code commence par F... non visible sur cet exemple 🙂
Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse! Je commence à comprendre l'étendu de la complexité des tarifs aériens. C'est tout de même bien difficle pour le quidam de s'y retrouver... et c'est probablement voulu d'ailleurs!
Non, je crois que les tarifs jeunes ( comme les seniors) sont spécifiques à Air France et ne font pas l'objet d'une publication internationale.
En fait, ils doivent être des sous groupes des tarifs discounts avec des conditions de modifications et d'échanges moins restrictifs.
Un agent AF vous en dirait plus.
Brasuca?
Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse! Je commence à comprendre l'étendu de la complexité des tarifs aériens. C'est tout de même bien difficle pour le quidam de s'y retrouver... et c'est probablement voulu d'ailleurs!
Mais les agents de voyages, eux-mêmes, ont du mal à s'y retrouver et doivent vérifier les conditions spécifiques à chaque vente...
Sur l'exemple de Paris à SFO il ya plus de 40 tarifs, mais de SFO à Paris il y a autant de tarifs, donc ça devient vite exponentiel avec le nombre de combinaisons possibles!
voici l'exemple d'une classe K, la moins chère, sujet de ce post, au début:
c'est toujours en anglais...
PAR-SFO/AF/KLPXT1/1107 EUR
INSTANT PURCHASE FARE
AIR FRANCE - TEMPO 1 FARES FROM FRANCE TO THE UNITED STATES APPLICATION
AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM FRANCE TO UNITED STATES. CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW
JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT
THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED
BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL
FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE
ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER S BEST JUDGEMENT.
OTHER CONDITIONS THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS
ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED
ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN
ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/
OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT
BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN
THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / .
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
PERMITTED 01NOV THROUGH 17DEC OR 01JAN THROUGH 31MAR ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC
SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY LH
FLIGHT ANY IB FLIGHT ANY LX FLIGHT ANY FC FLIGHT ANY SK FLIGHT ANY AA
FLIGHT ANY US FLIGHT ANY UA FLIGHT ANY UU FLIGHT ANY DT FLIGHT ANY PK
FLIGHT ANY JS FLIGHT ANY FG FLIGHT ANY GA FLIGHT ANY QZ FLIGHT ANY
3Y FLIGHT ANY RI FLIGHT ANY MZ FLIGHT ANY 7P FLIGHT ANY AW FLIGHT ANY
RW FLIGHT ANY NV FLIGHT ANY DC FLIGHT ANY QH FLIGHT ANY R8 FLIGHT ANY
O3 FLIGHT ANY I7 FLIGHT ANY ZC FLIGHT ANY Q4 FLIGHT ANY EO FLIGHT ANY
BA FLIGHT ANY W5 FLIGHT ANY UF FLIGHT ANY KF FLIGHT ANY C2 FLIGHT
ANY OD FLIGHT ANY K9 FLIGHT ANY X7 FLIGHT. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT
INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST
BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT.
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. NOTE - TEXT BELOW
NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 100
DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 93 DAYS
BEFORE DEPARTURE. -- WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 11 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 7 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS
ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 10 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.-- WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE WITHIN 10 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE
TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 3 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE
FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT INTERMEDIATE POINTS.
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ON AF ONLY IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE
SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. OR - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED
IN EACH DIRECTION. 1 PERMITTED VIA AF ONLY IN FRANCE IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED IN AREA 1 IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS
NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
ADD-ONS PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC
FARES BUT ARE NOT PERMITTED WITH INTERNATIONAL FARES. VALIDATE
ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET.
TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION. OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE
TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM
SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/ CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS
ARE WITH ANY REGULAR EXCURSION/ INSTANT PURCHASE FARE/REGULAR
APEX/APEX NONREFUNDABLE/SUPER/SPECIAL APEX/SUPER/SPECIAL INSTANT PURCHASE/4TH
LEVEL EXCURSION FARE/SPECIAL EXCURSION FARE/3RD LEVEL INSTANT
PURCHASE/3RD LEVEL EXCURSION FARE/5TH LEVEL EXCURSION FARE/ EXCURSION
NON-DISCOUNTABLE/2ND LEVEL ADVANCE PURCHASE/3RD LEVEL ADVANCE PURCHASE/2ND
LEVEL SUPER/SPECIAL ADVANCE PURCHASE-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER
DL OR FOR CARRIER KL OR FOR CARRIER NW OR FOR CARRIER AF IN RULE IN
TARIFF ANY PUBLIC TARIFF OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRAI - BETWEEN THE
USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA
2 VIA ATL. COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY 2ND LEVEL INSTANT PURCHASE/3RD
LEVEL INSTANT PURCHASE/4TH LEVEL INSTANT PURCHASE/5TH LEVEL INSTANT
PURCHASE/ INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE-TYPE FARES/BUSINESS CLASS
PROMOTIONAL-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER DL OR FOR CARRIER KL OR FOR CARRIER
NW OR FOR CARRIER AF IN RULE IN TARIFF ANY PUBLIC TARIFF OR ANY RULE
IN TARIFF IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL IPRSAA2 BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATL.
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
ORIGINATING UNITED STATES - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 165.00
PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. ORIGINATING FRANCE THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED
BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN FRANCE/MARTINIQUE/GUADELOUPE/
FRENCH GUIANA/REUNION. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER
SURCHARGE. ORIGINATING FRANCE - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS
FOLLOWS - WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN FRANCE/MARTINIQUE/GUADELOUPE/ FRENCH
GUIANA/REUNION. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF EUR 8.00 PER DIRECTION
WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED
FOR AUTOPRICING. PAPER TICKET SURCHARGE IS NOT REFUNDABLE OTHERWISE ORIGINATING FRANCE - THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE.
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
NO SALES RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 100.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING
/ DATE / FLIGHT MODIFICATION WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT
IS BEING CHANGED THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
WILL APPLY //// // BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE // //// NEW RESERVATION
AND REISSUANCE MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME PRIOR TO DEPARTURE OF THE
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT. IF CHANGE DOES NOT OCCUR ON THE FIRST
FARE COMPONENT OF THE JOURNEY NEW FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED USING FARES
IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE AND UNDER FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER OR EQUAL
OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND A / MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE
ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B / OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF
THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED - IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
FARE MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND A / MUST COMPY WITH ALL
PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED -- NEW
RESERVATION AND REISSUANCE MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
OF THE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT. WHEN CHANGE OCCURS ON THE
FIRST FARE COMPONENT OF THE JOURNEY ONLY OR ON THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
AND OTHER FARE COMPONENT OF THE JOURNEY NEW FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED
USING FARES IN EFFECT ON DATE OF REISSUE AND UNDER FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER OR EQUAL
OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND A / MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF
THE ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B / OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS
OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED - IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED
NEW FARE MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND A / MUST COMPLY WITH
ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED CHANGES NOT PERMITTED
IN CASE OF NO-SHOW. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
// BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE // // NO SHOW // IN THE EVENT OF NO
SHOW - WHEN CHANGES ARE REQUESTED AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINALLY
SCHEDULED FLIGHT - CHANGES ARE NOT PERMITTED AND CANCELLATION RULES
SHALL APPLY AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE EUR 100.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS
APPLY. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. ///// // AFTER
OUTBOUND DEPARTURE // //// NEW FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED USING FARES
IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE AND UNDER FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW FARE MAY BE LOWER OR EQUAL
OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND A / MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE
ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE B / OR MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF
THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED - IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
FARE MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND A / MUST COMPLY WITH
ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 200.00 FOR CANCEL. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. ///// // BEFORE OUTBOUND
DEPARTURE // ///// THE WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET IS REFUNDABLE UPON PAYMENT
OF THE PENALTY AMOUNT CONTAINED IN THIS RULE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE
IN CASE OF NO-SHOW. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
// BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPATURE // // NO SHOW // TICKET IS NON REFUNDABLE
WHEN PASSENGER CANCELS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED
FLIGHT AFTER DEPARTURE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. //// // AFTER
OUTBOUND DEPARTURE // //// TICKET IS NON REFUNDABLE WHEN PASSENGER CANCELS
AFTER OUTBOUND DEPARTURE MEANING THAT NO REFUNDS ARE ALLOWED ONCE
THE FIRST COUPON OF THE PRICING UNIT IS USED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW
NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. ANY TIME CANCELLATIONS RULES APPLY BY
FARE COMPONENT WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE TICKET WITH A NON REFUNDABLE
TICKET PROVISIONS WILL APPLY AS FOLLOWS - THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE
REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT WILL BE REFUNDED UPON PAYMENT OF THE PENALTY
AMOUNT IF APPLICABLE - THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT
WILL NOT BE REFUNDED
THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR CONNECTIONS. AND THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NON-TRANS/ NON-END - IN THE ENDORSEMENT
BOX. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. TICKETS
MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR STICKER THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL
FARE AND SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS. AND - THE ORIGINAL TICKET
MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONREFUNDABLE - IN THE FORM OF PAYMENT BOX.
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET
DESIGNATOR - CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT
BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR
UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH. MUST
BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR
18 OR OLDER. OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE
10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED
ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER. OR UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THE FARE THAT APPLIES
ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE
SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION MAY
REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE
OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID
IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL
THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR
ELECTRONIC TICKET / .
NOT APPLICABLE.
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
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Bonjour,
Je pense partir bientôt pour la Malaisie
J'ai vu des prix interessant et vol direct de Paris avec Malaysia Airlines
Est ce une compagnie fiable?
Merci pour vos retours
J'effectue régulièrement des voyages depuis plus de vingt ans
maís c'est la première fois qu'un compagnies me traite si mal que Air France.
Deux voyages, deux fois des problèmes. Le dernier:
Voyage de Séoul à Rennes. Dernière partie de París CDG à Rennes par Air France.
J'arrive à Paris et je me rends directement chez Air France pour obtenir la carte d'embarquement jusqu'à Rennes. On n'y assure que mon bagage suit jusqu'à Rennes.
Arrivé à Rennes, pas de bagage, comme c'est le cas de 5 personnes.
Le bureau d'Air France est fermé et le oersonnel de l'aéroport m'assure qu''il y a rarement quelqu'un.
Avec l'aide du personnel de l'aéroport, je fais une réclamation par internet et Mon bagage est quadi directement localisé, en conséquence je l'aurai le lendemain.
4 jours plus tard, le bagage est toujours au même endroitvà CDG, rien ne bouge.
Le problème est qu'Air France m'a pas de service clientèle. Ce qu'ils appellent service clientes, c'est un service qui répond après une heure et qui vous répète ce qu''il y a sur le FORMULAIRE informatique. Aucune coordination, aucune moyen de faire bouger les choses, je suppose que Air France préfère me payer l'indemnisation après 21 jours que se bouger le cul.
J'ai déjà eu des bagages égarés dans d'autres voyages maís c'est la première fois que je vous un tel je-m'en-foutisme foutisme et manque de professionalisme..
Hi,
Air Cairo offers good prices on domestic flights and schedules that work for us, but is this airline reliable?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi,
I booked an Etihad ticket on their website for Dusseldorf-Abu Dhabi. In the first name field, I entered all my first names (something I never do and I regret it, but the site was confusing). Everything is spelled correctly, but the problem is that I just received my new passport and only my first two first names and the first letter of the third appear—there’s no trace of the last one.
I called Etihad, and of course, they tried to charge me $100 USD to remove that last first name. But I’m hesitant because usually, I only put my first first name and not the others, and I’ve never had an issue... So I’m wondering if having that extra first name, which isn’t on my passport, could get me denied at check-in.
Thanks for your feedback!
Hi everyone,
Next January, I’m heading to India.
My outbound flight is with Emirates from Paris to Dubai, then another Emirates flight from Dubai to Calcutta.
Could anyone tell me how the connection works? I’ve heard there’s a dedicated Emirates zone, but how does it actually work in practice—I’ve got a 2-hour layover.
Thanks so much!
Take care.
I’d like to fly to Malta from Lyon.
I’ve read a lot of negative reviews about KM MALTA, especially regarding baggage fees at the airport.
Of course, I don’t want to book through third parties (like SkyScanner, Opodo…).
AIR FRANCE offers tickets to MALTA in partnership, if I understood correctly.
On AIR FRANCE, the tickets include everything (checked baggage, cabin bag, small personal item, seat), whereas with KM MALTA, everything is extra and the final price is almost double!
In this case, is AIR FRANCE considered the same as sites like Opodo or others?
Given the price difference, I’m hesitant…
Have any of you booked with AIR FRANCE for this destination? How did it go?
Thanks,
HERVE
Hi everyone, I’ve unfortunately only just noticed that I booked two flight tickets, but I made a mistake on the second first name. Basically, my computer auto-filled and typed my first name twice, so both tickets are in my first name. Only the last names—mine and my friend’s—are correct.
TAP Portugal refuses to make the change because they consider it a change of passenger, even though it’s clearly a typo (plus, my last name isn’t common).
I’m leaving in 5 days, and buying a new ticket would cost 3 times the original price. Has anyone been in this situation before? I’d like to try negotiating at the airport, but it’s a gamble… Thanks in advance for any advice!
Since it came into force, Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council, which defines air passenger rights, has faced fierce resistance from airlines, backed by IATA (the association representing almost all passenger airlines).
Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
As a result, the Council and the Commission have been proposing revisions to Regulation 261/2004 for years that are particularly unfavorable to passengers. The latest attempt nearly eliminated the right to compensation for delays of 3 hours or more upon arrival at the final destination.
However, since this is a regulation of both the European Parliament AND the Council, the two bodies had to agree.
But the European Parliament has always stood firm, consistently responding that passenger rights must be preserved.
After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows:
- Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes;
- A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late;
- Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens);
- Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight;
- If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation;
- The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason;
- In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/
Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed.
- Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps.
- Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation.
- If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/
- If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed.
- The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt.
- Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont.
- Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia.
Sincerely,
Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding.
Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage...
Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Have a great day.
Hi there,
I traveled in June 2025 with Nouvelair Destinations to Hammamet.
I had one checked bag and one carry-on sized 40x24x30, which I usually take on low-cost flights, and I didn’t have any issues. But I just read on a website that Nouvel Air only accepts carry-ons of 40x20x15. I’m flying back to Djerba in June—what do you think? Especially since that size is impossible to find??????? Thanks
Hi, it's my first time taking a plane and I chose EasyJet for a Geneva -> Barcelona flight.
I booked my ticket.
I received my booking reference by email, but I don’t see the actual ticket (barcode or QR code?).
Then I checked in to get the boarding pass with the flight details, QR code, etc. But does this boarding pass act as the ticket?
Because I’ve seen several times online that the flight ticket and the boarding pass aren’t the same thing.
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket.
On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata
On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto
I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer.
Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine.
I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket?
(It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania.
The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines.
So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers.
Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this.
Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops.
Do any of you have updates?
Thanks!
Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
Hello, some (potentially) good news for Brazil lovers—GOL airline is launching a route to Europe from Rio, starting in September for Lisbon, then Paris at a later date that hasn’t been announced yet.
They’ll be using their new A330-900 neo.
No prices have been announced so far, but hopefully we’ll find direct flights from GIG at a more interesting fare than AF or Latam…
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG.
Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover?
We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker).
We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA.
For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai.
Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)?
We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
Hi,
It's all in the title—this means nothing's getting through, so no more oil.
In Europe, kerosene reserves are still good, but by the end of April, flights will have to be reduced.
European airports fear running out of kerosene if the Strait of Hormuz isn’t reopened within three weeks
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one).
The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much!
I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul?
I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
Hi there,
I’d like to return to Uzbekistan next April for 10 days with my husband to visit our son who lives there. We went last July and I bought the flight tickets (direct flight from Paris on Uzbekistan Airways) about 2 months in advance at very reasonable prices. I’ve been checking for late April for a few weeks now, and the tickets are much more expensive and keep rising. I can’t figure out if the prices are going up because it’s still a bit too early to buy and they’ll likely drop if the planes aren’t full, or if it’s because the period is actually in high demand. For reference, last year I bought my son’s ticket on May 30th for a departure on June 3rd—just 3 days later—at a very low price that didn’t budge at all.
Just in case, does anyone know the pricing trends for this airline and can advise me? Should I wait or not?
Thanks, and feel free to ask if you need any tips about the country!
My wife bought a flight ticket (Lucky Air) under her Thai maiden name and was issued a Chinese visa on her new Thai passport but with her French married name (due to administrative requirements). She was denied boarding by the airline in Bangkok for the flight to Kunming—resulting in the loss of our round-trip flight tickets, including mine since we were traveling together—despite presenting both passports at the airline counter at the same time.
Hi there.
I’m planning a trip to Chile, and the fares from the Colombian airline Avianca are really appealing.
Way cheaper than Air France, for example.
That said, the reviews I’ve seen online aren’t great.
What do you think of this airline?
Have any of you taken long-haul flights with Avianca?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Eric
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace.
It’s this model:
https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date."
See the photo.
Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
