Trekking le long du Kali Gandaki (Népal)
by Angelinaa
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous,
Nous envisageons un trek le long du Kali Gandaki de Naya Pul au Lo Manthang (Mustang) en décembre 2011 et nous sommes en train de mettre en place notre programe. Nous avons contacté l'agence "evasion trekking" et je voulais savoir si quelqu'un est déjà passé par eux.
Si quelqu'un a déjà fait ce trek, nous sommes intéréssés par tout type d'info (budget, impression, etc).
Par avance merci
bonjour,
entre naya pull et Kagbeni, on reste au népal, dans la zone classique de la "fin" du tour des Annapurnas donc, pas de pb de lodges, c'est faisable seul, sans guides, sans porteurs. après kagbéni, il faut le permis spécial mustang... donc passer par une agence.
je vous propose d'utiliser les services de l'agence qu'à partir de kagbeni (vs ferez au moins 6 jours d'économies) et prenez une agence au népal, pas en france.
dominique
entre naya pull et Kagbeni, on reste au népal, dans la zone classique de la "fin" du tour des Annapurnas donc, pas de pb de lodges, c'est faisable seul, sans guides, sans porteurs. après kagbéni, il faut le permis spécial mustang... donc passer par une agence.
je vous propose d'utiliser les services de l'agence qu'à partir de kagbeni (vs ferez au moins 6 jours d'économies) et prenez une agence au népal, pas en france.
dominique
Bonjour Dominique,
Merci pour votre réponse! Effectivement on s'oriente plutôt vers un trek seuls jusqu'à Kagbéni puis passer pour une agence pour le Mustang. Par contre je me demande si on prend une agence la bas une fois sur place (à Kathmandu) ou une agence (népalaise) de France par réservation en avance. Pour le Mustang, on pensait à un trajet qui remonte à Lo Manthang par Gheling et redescend par Yara (avec passage à Luri Gompa). Je me demandais si les coins de l'est et nord est du Mustang était accessible (notamment ceux visiter par Paulo Grobel). Par contre, une chose m'interpelle, la différence des devis proposés par les agences! entre 1000 et 1500 euro de différence entre les agences, pour des prestations équivalentes... Encore merci pour votre message
Merci pour votre réponse! Effectivement on s'oriente plutôt vers un trek seuls jusqu'à Kagbéni puis passer pour une agence pour le Mustang. Par contre je me demande si on prend une agence la bas une fois sur place (à Kathmandu) ou une agence (népalaise) de France par réservation en avance. Pour le Mustang, on pensait à un trajet qui remonte à Lo Manthang par Gheling et redescend par Yara (avec passage à Luri Gompa). Je me demandais si les coins de l'est et nord est du Mustang était accessible (notamment ceux visiter par Paulo Grobel). Par contre, une chose m'interpelle, la différence des devis proposés par les agences! entre 1000 et 1500 euro de différence entre les agences, pour des prestations équivalentes... Encore merci pour votre message
re,
je pense qu'il faut réserver de France via une agence de Ktm. le "tarif" va dépendre des prestations : camping, chez l'habitant, durée au mustang... ainsi que de la nature du portage : hommes ou bêtes.
dominique
je pense qu'il faut réserver de France via une agence de Ktm. le "tarif" va dépendre des prestations : camping, chez l'habitant, durée au mustang... ainsi que de la nature du portage : hommes ou bêtes.
dominique
Salut,
Tu peux faire la vallée de la Kali Gandaki sans problème jusqu'à Kagbeni ( porte du haut Mustang) et de façon très économique.. Pour info j'ai fait avec ma femme le tour complêt des Annapurnas sur 18 jours ( dans les années 90) pour moins de 100 Euros à 2. Pas besoin de guide ni de porteurs..aucun risque de se perdre! Pour entrer dans le haut Mustang ( après Kagbeni) il te faut un permis spécial qui te coûtera 700 dollars pour 10 jours ..il te faut pour obtenir ce permis passer par une agence prendre un guide, porteurs cuisiniers etc..ce qui te coutera assez cher... Sinon le haut Mustang est ( selon moi) avec le haut Dolpo ( que je ne connais pas encore ) un must en matière de trek au Népal!
Tu peux faire la vallée de la Kali Gandaki sans problème jusqu'à Kagbeni ( porte du haut Mustang) et de façon très économique.. Pour info j'ai fait avec ma femme le tour complêt des Annapurnas sur 18 jours ( dans les années 90) pour moins de 100 Euros à 2. Pas besoin de guide ni de porteurs..aucun risque de se perdre! Pour entrer dans le haut Mustang ( après Kagbeni) il te faut un permis spécial qui te coûtera 700 dollars pour 10 jours ..il te faut pour obtenir ce permis passer par une agence prendre un guide, porteurs cuisiniers etc..ce qui te coutera assez cher... Sinon le haut Mustang est ( selon moi) avec le haut Dolpo ( que je ne connais pas encore ) un must en matière de trek au Népal!
A mon avis le plus intéressant est de chercher d'éventuels coéquipiers pour partager les frais d'agence.. puis reserver de France auprès d'une agence Népalaise ...
Essayez avec tiptop trekking ( par exemple)
Tout le Nord mustang est possible ( avec agence et guide) si vous dépassez les 10 jours sur place c'est ( enfin c'était) 70 dollars par jour supplémentaire ce n'est peut-être plus que 50 dollars par jour actuellement...
Bonsoir Jalma,
Merci pour votre réponse. Nous sommes deux à y aller (avec mon mari), et surtout on envisage ce trek pour le mois de décembre. Le Mustang en décembre sera sûrement froid mais on est un peu adepte du froid et des périodes non touristiques. Il est vrai que le permis est vraiment cher, du coup il faut qu'on trouve un moyen d'économiser sur tout ce qui est à côté! L'idée de trouver des coéquipiers est aussi intéressante (faudra juste voir si certaines personnes sont prêtes à passer Noël et le nouvel an loin de la France 😉)
re,
je ne pense pas que vous fassiez des économies à être trop nombreux. Je pense qu'il faut donc bien savoir comment vous voulez vivre ce trek, c'est à ces conditions que vous pourrez faire des économies. par exemple, si vous portez votre sac et dormez dans les lodges, vous n'avez "besoin" que d'un guide. Le cout sera donc de sa prestation (+ bouffe et dodo). Somme à laquelle vous rajouterez ce que vous allez manger/boire/dormir + permis spécial. non inclus la partie "népal" soit ticket parc annapurna, vol(s), bus, lodges...
dominique
je ne pense pas que vous fassiez des économies à être trop nombreux. Je pense qu'il faut donc bien savoir comment vous voulez vivre ce trek, c'est à ces conditions que vous pourrez faire des économies. par exemple, si vous portez votre sac et dormez dans les lodges, vous n'avez "besoin" que d'un guide. Le cout sera donc de sa prestation (+ bouffe et dodo). Somme à laquelle vous rajouterez ce que vous allez manger/boire/dormir + permis spécial. non inclus la partie "népal" soit ticket parc annapurna, vol(s), bus, lodges...
dominique
je ne pense pas que vous fassiez des économies à être trop nombreux.
Personnellement j'en ai fait bien des fois en partageant à plusieurs le salaire du guide .. Mais je ne le fais plus pour d'autres raisons . Au delà de 3 ou 4 personnes la gestion du groupe devient pénible.
Personnellement j'en ai fait bien des fois en partageant à plusieurs le salaire du guide .. Mais je ne le fais plus pour d'autres raisons . Au delà de 3 ou 4 personnes la gestion du groupe devient pénible.
En tout cas, ce n'est pas sur le permis "Mustang" à 50$ par jour que vous ferez des économies, c'est le prix par tête.
Au passage, je vous déconseille d'apporter une caméra numérique, c'est 900$ de plus. 😉
(Ou comment l'arnaque à touristes autour du "Royaume oublié/perdu/c'que-vous-voulez" du Mustang s'est organisé....)
Ca m'intéresserait pas mal d'y aller aussi... mais la taxe est rédhibitoire...
Ca m'intéresserait pas mal d'y aller aussi... mais la taxe est rédhibitoire...
Bonjour,
Merci pour toutes vos réponses qui m'aident dans mon organisation de ce voyage. Effectivement, le permis du Mustang est tout simplement très cher... Il faut du coup être trop regardant sur tout le reste de manière à pouvoir faire ce voyage sans se ruiner!
Nous allons nous orienter pour une option sans porteurs et sans agence pour tout sauf le Mustang! Privilégier les bus (même si c'est plus long). L'année dernière nous avons effectuer le Langtang/Gosainkund et nous étions assez surpris par la différence de prix entre ce qu'on a payé à l'agence et les prix pratiqués sur le terrain. Nous étions partis en décembre et très souvent les lodges nous offraient à nous et à notre guide la nuité contre le repas.
Par contre nous avons beaucoup apprécié la compagnie du guide, qui nous a permis de voyager en gardant un lien avec la population, mais pour le trek prochain, vu le budget à prévoir, peut être on s'en passera d'un guide pour la partie plus classique du trek.
Encore merci à tous! et que des beaux voyages en perspective pour tous...
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Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.



