Trouble finding seats on trains in India?
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UL
Hi,

I’ve read that trains in India are packed and it’s pretty tough to find seats 2-3 days in advance... Apparently, there’s still a small tourist quota for available seats, but they’re limited. Would anyone have more specific info on this?
BI Bijoliane Veteran ·
Hi Ulisse, It all depends on your travel dates—if it's during school holidays or festivals (Diwali, Holi), trains get packed, and it's best to book as soon as reservations open. The tourist quota can only be used at the last minute, and in my experience, there were never any seats left! It also depends on which class you're traveling in. Nowadays, I try to stick to air-conditioned second class given my "advanced age"—it's much more comfortable! For questions about quotas, check this out: https://indiasomeday.com/fr/ticket-de-train-foreign-quota/

Here’s the essential info to navigate Indian trains:

www.irctc.co.in/nget/train-search www.onedayonetravel.com/...-train-sur-internet/ explains how to book using Cleartrip. What you need to know before booking train tickets in India:

Each train is identified by a unique 5-digit number. Most Indian trains can be booked 120 days before the travel date, sometimes 60 days. Some trains only run on specific days of the week. This is indicated by the day’s initial: S, M, Tu, W, Th, F, Sa. Some trains fill up very quickly (holidays, limited ticket quotas). If you have a precise itinerary, it’s best to book as early as possible. Plan your routes! There are plenty of trains in India at all hours and to many destinations. We recommend the site erail, which really helped us find trains that matched our itinerary. Check it out before booking your tickets. Familiarize yourself with the different class categories:

AC 1: 1st class with AC. The best! Cabins for 2 or 4 people. AC 2: 2nd class with AC. 4 people per compartment. 2 sheets, 1 blanket, 1 pillow, 1 small towel. AC 3: 3rd class with AC. 6 people per compartment. 2 sheets, 1 blanket, 1 pillow. Sleeper: Often without AC, this is the choice of many Indians. AC Chair Car (with or without AC): Seats only. Best for short trips. Often a fast, air-conditioned train with seats (and in the morning, breakfast + newspaper + bottled water included).

To book, you can go to New Delhi Railway Station, 1st floor—nowadays, there’s hardly any queue thanks to the internet! Grab a reservation form at the entrance.

Fill in the departure city—be careful, as Delhi has many stations, and make sure to check the correct one. Note the difference between Delhi and New Delhi, which are two separate stations (Delhi is Old Delhi). Indicate the date and the train class you want.

Happy travels!
Bijoliane Le but suprême du voyageur est de ne plus savoir ce qu'il contemple ; chaque être, chaque chose est occasion de voyage et de contemplation. Lie-Tseu
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Hello,

Thanks so much for all this valuable information. Among it, I’m relieved to hear that we no longer need to queue at train stations thanks to the internet...

Unfortunately, I don’t plan to book well in advance because it’ll limit my flexibility. Plus, it seems their online system is complicated and requires a local phone number. I think for medium-distance trips, the bus will be a pretty safe alternative, just in case... For train journeys over 10 hours, I’ll keep my fingers crossed. Since I’m planning to travel in November to mid-December, it should work out...

Generally, in big cities, is it better to go to the station myself to book 2-3 days in advance, or should I leave that task to the hotel, even if it means paying a small extra fee for their service?

Thanks.
PA Pampl Regular ·
Hi there,

Unless you're really pressed for time, have a super tight schedule, and want to tour India in record time, I really don’t get this need to book way in advance. You're right—when traveling, nothing beats flexibility.

I spent the winter in India with two other people, and we took the train I don’t even know how many times. We booked our seats 1 to 2 days in advance, and sometimes even the same day for "passenger-class" trains, and we always got our tickets.

For reservations, you go to the station, fill out the form... and wait in line—yep! It’s common for trains to be fully booked because a large percentage of tickets are "Tatkal" reservations, which are only released the day before departure. To snag these Tatkal tickets and avoid lining up at the crack of dawn, go to an agency that handles everything for you and come back the next day. You’ll pay a few extra rupees, but you’ll have your seat—easy and stress-free.

And like you said, there are always buses, but for long trips, the train is better.

Download the IXIGO app—it gives you train numbers, schedules, classes, stations, platforms, and lets you track your train live, which is handy since some stops are barely 5 minutes long. Plus, you’ll see that the same class isn’t always equivalent from one train to another.

Happy travels and safe journeys!
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Thanks Pampl,

A big thank you for all your very informative tips...

Unfortunately, we’re still limited by the time we book the return ticket. Sure, in 40 days I can visit quite a few places, but only if I stick to a fairly set itinerary. My plan allows me to spend 2 to 2.5 full days in each city (most of them in Rajasthan) and 5 days in Delhi, which is more than reasonable. But if, by bad luck, I end up stuck longer than planned in one city, it could throw my whole itinerary off balance—or even jeopardize it.

My plan will work out pretty well as long as I can find a seat on each next train 2-3 days in advance... Based on your advice, that seems more than doable, especially since I’m planning to travel from November to mid-December, which is a fairly quiet period...

Maybe one last question... Food and accommodation: a budget of 10 € ($13) and 15 € ($17) per day on average, respectively... seems reasonable, doesn’t it?

Thanks again! !
PA Pampl Regular ·
Hi Olivier, My last trip to Rajasthan was back in 2016, and I spent the winter of 2019 in other states. I remember that in Rajasthan, buses were really convenient, and the overnight train back from Jaisalmer was more practical. Forty days is great for exploring this state and a few other spots. In November and December, there are loads of tourists, and Rajasthan is no exception—the route from Delhi to Varanasi is also packed. So if time stresses you out, plan ahead and buy your train tickets for 2 or 3 destinations in advance. But keep in mind that buses are everywhere and plentiful. Just remember that in some places, you’ll want to linger, while in others, 2 nights will be enough. India is unique, and taking your time is key—transport is slow, and distances are huge, so don’t overload your itinerary.

Money: 25 € for food and lodging gives you about 1,800 to 1,900 Rs/day (exchange rates can also be negotiated for cash). What’s skyrocketed are the entry fees for sites, and train tickets have gone up quite a bit too. A meal with rice or bread and a drink at a local restaurant costs around 250 Rs, a bit more in touristy spots, and less in street stalls if you’re not bothered by dust and exhaust fumes. A 1L bottle of water is 20 Rs, 2L is 30 Rs, and beer ranges from 90 Rs to 300 Rs depending on the place. Mid-range hotels cost between 1,000 and 1,600 Rs depending on the city and location—you’ll get average bedding, Wi-Fi, hot water, and often breakfast. But quality varies a lot from place to place. Sometimes for 1,000 Rs, you’ll get a palace, and other times, it’ll be grimy and really dirty. ALWAYS NEGOTIATE—more nights mean bigger discounts. You can easily find cheaper lodging, but bring a hostel sheet.

Five days in Delhi is good, but try splitting it into two parts—there are tons of amazing places to see, but it’s an exhausting city. Anyway, happy to share these tips! If you have any other questions, don’t hesitate.
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Hi again, and thanks once more,

My route is Delhi - Bikaner - Jaisalmer - Jodhpur - Udaipur - Ajmer - Pushkar - Jaipur - Orchha - Khajuraho - Varanasi - Agra - Delhi. Everywhere is 2.5 days (2 nights) except Jaisalmer (3 nights) and Delhi (5 nights). In Delhi, I finally opted for 5 nights to have some time buffer in case I face unexpected delays along the way. I think it’s doable as long as I don’t fall behind on my train schedule, which is why I’m worried. Otherwise, I’d have to adjust my route, probably by cutting Orchha and Khajuraho, which would be a real shame.

I’m booking hotels on booking.com 2-3 days in advance, and I’ve noticed that for 10-15 € on average, you can get something pretty decent. Still hoping I won’t have to deal with bedbugs on top of everything—I suffered a lot from them during my last trip to Iran (I’ve become an expert on the subject). As for my budget, even though I have one and I’ll stick to it, I’ve got some wiggle room since I’ll also have my credit card for emergencies... Generally, I’m pretty good with my calculations, even if the cost of visiting historical sites is a bit unclear due to lack of precise info...

Yes, I’ve considered buses as an alternative, especially for shorter daytime distances. What I don’t like about buses is how unsafe they feel (they drive like maniacs), especially at night. Plus, the idea of having to use the toilet on an Indian bus—especially with an upset stomach—makes me feel sick...

Have a great day...
BI Bijoliane Veteran ·
Hi Ulisse, two nights per place is totally doable—it’s what all the tour operators do—but it’s so frustrating! This winter I went to Rajasthan and took the direct Delhi-Jaisalmer intercity train because I know the whole region well, but I ended up staying ten days in Jaisalmer because of the Desert Festival. Then, completely unplanned, I headed to Jodhpur for the Sacred Music Festival... it just happens like that. I get that first-timers want to see everything—that’s normal.

Also, keep in mind that most Indian buses don’t have toilets. They usually stop every two hours for breaks, and you’ll have to use the restrooms at a local café or gas station. That’s another reason why trains are more convenient.

Personally, 5 nights in Delhi is way too much. Plan one night before your return flight, but there’s no need to stay longer unless you want to visit all the historical monuments (entry is 500 rupees with an audio guide included for most monuments and forts in Rajasthan too). Plus, winter is peak pollution season in Delhi—not great! I’d skip Bikaner and take the direct overnight train from Delhi to Jaisalmer.

Have a great trip!
Bijoliane Le but suprême du voyageur est de ne plus savoir ce qu'il contemple ; chaque être, chaque chose est occasion de voyage et de contemplation. Lie-Tseu
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Hi Bijoliane,

I’ve already considered skipping Bikaner by taking the direct overnight train from Delhi to Jaisalmer. That’ll give me more time for the rest of my itinerary. But I’ll miss the famous Karni Mata Temple (the rat temple) ...

About Delhi—I mentioned it before ... 5 nights might be a bit much, but I need to build in some buffer time. If I lose time on earlier legs (trains), I’ll need that extra time later to make up for any delays. After all, the plane won’t wait for me ...

Thanks!
PA Pampl Regular ·
Olivier, Your itinerary is Delhi - Bikaner - Jaisalmer - Jodhpur - Udaipur - Ajmer - Pushkar - Jaipur - Orchha - Khajuraho - Varanasi - Agra - Delhi. (40 days or 40 nights?) I’d do Agra before Orchha and take a flight from Varanasi to Delhi to save quite a few hours on trains and ensure 3 nights in Delhi to wrap up.

You’re visiting 12 different places × 3 nights, so that’s 36 nights—you’ve got 4 left. Bikaner for 2 nights works, and you can combine Pushkar and Ajmer (round trip). Khajuraho for 1 or 2 nights, depending on your arrival time, should be fine. That’ll free up a few nights, which you’ll probably spend traveling. And plan for a little break after hours on trains or buses—transport there isn’t exactly a walk in the park.

Elsewhere, 2 nights is really short, and 3 is borderline. As mentioned, tour operators stay 2 nights, but those folks don’t have to hunt for accommodations, restaurants, or transport—they’ve got everything handed to them, as we say in Quebec. Unfortunately, they’ll only see what they’re shown. You’ve got the chance to take a bit more time and go beyond just rushing from one sight to the next at a frantic pace.

As for Booking.com or similar, it’s convenient, but you lose all bargaining power. Instead, head to the hotel you’re targeting, check the rates first, and decide whether to book on the spot or check out the place next door. Up to you. As for bedbugs, I didn’t see a single one, and I spent about a year in India. That said, I mostly stayed in mid-range places. For site costs, budget around 500 Rs each. From January to April 2019, that was the going rate for major sites in other states—sometimes even 600 Rs. I assume it’s the same in Rajasthan, but for the TAJ, it’s probably at least double now.

Have a great day!
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Well said... "a frantic race of tiring visits and transport"... I fear that too, but it's just that I'm really "anti-plane," especially in countries like this... No way I'd jump on just any airline... In countries like this, I'd rather endure a 20-hour road trip than a one-hour flight... Plus, I get to see the scenery...
EV Evelyne26 Regular ·
I've never had any issues with airlines in India. That said, if it's an etiquette problem...
Evelyne
UL Ulisse Regular ·
This is a matter of historical statistics on global aviation... There are websites for that... Not all airlines are equal because not all peoples are equal in terms of seriousness and financial means... An Indian, a Chinese, a Russian, a Cuban, an African, etc., is not the same as an Englishman, a German, a Swiss, etc... If that were the case, we would have known for a long time...

Of course, you're never completely safe from an incident, and zero probability doesn't exist anywhere, but I prefer to minimize risks...
JU Jujuluberon Veteran ·
An Indian, a Chinese, a Russian, a Cuban, an African ..., is not an Englishman, a German, a Swiss etc ... If that were the case, we’d have known about it for a long time ...

Isn’t that a bit over the top? I think that to stay as safe as possible in India, it’s better to take just about any flight than a bus or train. Buses in ditches by the side of the road or collisions between two trains are pretty common in India
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49830238@N04/
EV Evelyne26 Regular ·
Yeah, I found the idea of inequality among people based on their origin a bit surprising... not to say shocking!
Evelyne
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Here we go... The self-righteousness and political correctness of our era... No, people and nations *do* have differences, whether we like it or not. Just as a Black sprinter is different from a white sprinter... When we say "German" or "Swiss," the first things that come to mind are "serious," "hardworking," and "efficient"—which isn’t the case for other nations. It’s a fact, an observation, not a judgment. Racism is denying people equality under the law based on whether they’re white, Black, Jewish, etc. But it’s not racism to note that people have different abilities.

Differences exist everywhere in our societies, even in nature, and that’s a good thing—otherwise, life would be boring...

As for aviation accidents, these are irrefutable historical statistical facts observed over the years. Based on that, personally, I feel more comfortable flying with British Airways than with Cubana Airlines or an African airline where you’d have to sleep outside... The numbers prove it... and that has nothing to do with racism...

We shouldn’t confuse the two...
EV Evelyne26 Regular ·
Maybe I misunderstood you... or maybe you misunderstood me? Anyway, in India, you're more likely to run into issues on buses than on planes! I’ve used Air Indigo and SpiceJet without any problems.
Evelyne
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Oh, I can totally believe that... since flying is still the safest way to get around. But while you might have a higher chance of an accident in a bus or car, you also have a better chance it won’t be fatal...
EV Evelyne26 Regular ·
That's true 🙁
Evelyne
CL Clabin Regular ·
"But it's not racism to note that people have different abilities."

I completely agree with everything you described in this post. I’d even add (though maybe I’ll be called racist for it) that people sometimes—unfortunately—have different behaviors too, and in those cases, I’m not always sure which one is more racist! But when I travel abroad, I always try to be very respectful of the customs of the people I visit; the reverse isn’t always true.
MA Mardidi Veteran ·
Hi Bijoliane,

I’ve already considered skipping Bikaner by taking the direct overnight train from Delhi to Jaisalmer. That’ll give me more time for the rest of my itinerary. But I’ll miss the famous Karni Mata temple (the rat temple) ...

About Delhi, as I mentioned before ..., 5 nights might be a bit much, but I need to build in some buffer time ... If I end up losing time on earlier legs (trains), I’ll need that extra time later to make up for any delays ... Because the flight won’t wait for me ...

Thanks !

Skip Bikaner? And miss the rat temple just a few kilometers away—really, that’d be a shame. I have such great memories of it.
ER Ericdu38 Regular ·
Hi there, We’ve been to India twice, and I’ve gone solo once. For train bookings, go through a local agency—it might cost a bit more, but you’ll avoid all the hassle!
ER Ericdu38 Regular ·
Hi Bijoliane,

I’ve already considered skipping Bikaner by taking the direct overnight train from Delhi to Jaisalmer. That’ll give me more time for the rest of my itinerary. But I’ll miss the famous Karni Mata temple (the rat temple) ...

About Delhi, I already mentioned it ..., 5 nights might be a bit much, but I need to build in some buffer time ... If I end up losing time on earlier legs (trains), I’ll need that buffer toward the end to make up for any delays ... Because the flight won’t wait for me ...

Thanks !

Skip Bikaner? And miss the rat temple just a few kilometers away? That’d be a real shame—I have such great memories of the place.

Oh yeah, totally agree. The rat temple is a one-of-a-kind spot 🙂
NA Narataa18 ·
hi check out my “trains in India” section on my blog www.indiasong2016.wordpress.com other info available on request... cheers
UL Ulisse Regular ·
Thanks so much
UL Ulisse Regular ·
I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
MU MurielJeanne ·
Hi Olivier,

I’m heading out in early March for the same route: Delhi - Bikaner - Jaisalmer - Jodhpur - Udaipur - Ajmer - Pushkar - Jaipur - Orchha - Khajuraho - Varanasi - Agra - Delhi.

Do you have any tips on how you got around—what transport you used—and your thoughts on the cities you visited?

Thanks in advance!

Best, Muriel
MurielJeanne
ER Ericdu38 Regular ·
By train, by bus... everything's great to explore!

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