Van - Diyarbakir - Sanliurfa - Gaziantep en voiture (Turquie)
by Renardjaune
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Bonsoir à tous. Suite à un très beau périple côté ouest en 2018, nous retournons en Turquie en avril 2019. L'idée est de partir vers l'est pour atteindre le mont Ararat, puis de revenir par le sud.
Nous sommes en autonomie (véhicule 4x4) et alternons routes et pistes.
Je cherche à savoir s'il n'y a pas trop d'embûches à l'heure actuelle sur le parcours décrit dans le titre. Nous pouvons passer un peu plus au nord en cas de contrariétés possibles (météo, barrages tous les 12 km, etc...) mais ce serait plaisant de pouvoir faire étape dans ces villes.
Je connais (bien) les cartes des Conseils aux voyageurs et souhaite si possible des infos fraiches de cette zone, je sais qu'il y a ici des spécialistes.
D'avance un grand merci.
R.R.
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Bonjour,
J'aimerais beaucoup moi aussi recevoir une réponse . J'ai posé la même question il y a 3 semaines sans succès.... Dyarbakir, je pense qu'il faut oublier, Van peut-être, mais Sanliurfa, Mardin, Gaziantep, j'aimerais aussi savoir si c'est encore possible sans trop de problèmes .
Bonjour,
Je ne suis pas allé cette année dans l’est toutefois quelques remarques.
Il n’y a aucun pb pour aller à van voire dogubeyazit via sivas et erzurum.
Je pense (car j’ai croisé des personnes y étant allé en touristes et en bus, en sept /oct) que l’accès à dyarbakir peut être tendu, en particulier dans l’enceinte de la vielle ville.
Sanli urfa, quelques touristes, pour l’accès à mardin, sais pas.
Dans tous les cas, et au vu du trafic permanent de bus et camions dans ces coins, le seul « risque « est de se faire contrôler par la gendarma ou l’armee. Si il y a un danger quelconque, ils ne vous laisseront pas circuler.
La route la plus compliquée est celle qui longe les frontières syro /irakiennes.
Dans tous les cas, c’est mieux de rouler le jour !!!
Dominique
Bonsoir à tous, lorsque je parlais de spécialistes, j'espérais bien une réponse de Dominique. Merci donc à vous. Je pense que nous aviserons sur place en respectant les consignes. Après Tatvan nous descendrons vers Siirt pour suivre quelques méandres du Tigre puis nous nous dirigerons calmement vers Sanliurfa via Cizre ou Midyat, histoire de retrouver un bout d'autoroute avec des camions et des bus qui ne doivent pas se poser la question tous les matins de savoir s'ils longent ou non la frontière... d'autant que notre véhicule est vieux, discret et n'attire pas spécialement les regards.
A Sanliurfa, nous verrons bien s'il est possible de visiter Harran ou non. La dernière fois que j'y suis allé, c'était en 1986 et j'avais davantage de cheveux qu'aujourd'hui.
La seule incertitude réside dans le choix d'un lieu de bivouac dans cette zone : pas question d'inquiéter qui que ce soit, en particulier la police. S'ils doivent nous faire déménager en pyjama à 3 heures du matin, c'est inconfortable. Je pense plutôt visiter Sanliurfa avant de remonter dormir vers Adiyaman, mais j'aurais bien fait quelques photos nocturnes des poissons sacrés...
Merci encore pour vos infos, toujours précieuses, qui vont également intéresser ArianeP.
R.R.
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Re bonjour,
Je pense que cizre n'est pas un lieu propice au voyage, sauf de vouloir aller dans le kurdistan irakien.
La route via batman, hasankeyf midyat et mardi (passer voir mar Gabriel) est mieux, voire moins pire.
Dominique
Bonjour,
Non je ne sais pas. Désolé !
Dominique
La seule incertitude réside dans le choix d'un lieu de bivouac dans cette zone : pas question d'inquiéter qui que ce soit, en particulier la police. S'ils doivent nous faire déménager en pyjama à 3 heures du matin, c'est inconfortable.
Bonjour,
Je ne suis pas retourné dans ces coins depuis pas mal d'années, mais il me semble qu'il n'y a guère de risque de se faire déloger au milieu de la nuit : il est effectivement difficile de bivouaquer par là-bas, mais vu le niveau de surveillance, la jandarma déloge dans l'heure qui suit la pose, pas grand chose ne lui échappe. Au nom de la sécurité des voyageurs. J'en ai fait l'expérience, et pour finir nous avons "bivouaqué" dans l'enceinte de la jandarma (petit dèj turc offert). C'était vers Mardin. J'espère repasser dans ces coins merveilleux d'ici quelques mois, au retour d'Asie centrale. D'ici là il y aura peut-être des réponses plus récentes et précises aux questions initiales du post...
Olivier
Bonjour,
Je ne suis pas retourné dans ces coins depuis pas mal d'années, mais il me semble qu'il n'y a guère de risque de se faire déloger au milieu de la nuit : il est effectivement difficile de bivouaquer par là-bas, mais vu le niveau de surveillance, la jandarma déloge dans l'heure qui suit la pose, pas grand chose ne lui échappe. Au nom de la sécurité des voyageurs. J'en ai fait l'expérience, et pour finir nous avons "bivouaqué" dans l'enceinte de la jandarma (petit dèj turc offert). C'était vers Mardin. J'espère repasser dans ces coins merveilleux d'ici quelques mois, au retour d'Asie centrale. D'ici là il y aura peut-être des réponses plus récentes et précises aux questions initiales du post...
Olivier
Bonsoir,
Je voudrais moi aussi aller vers le lac de Van en juillet , mais j'arriverais par la Géorgie. Il me manque aussi des info sur ce coin de la Turquie. J'étais en Turquie en 2007 et une nuit vers Kayseri plus précisément Sultan Hani, nous dormions sur un parking d'une station service, en pleine nuit nous avons été réveillés par la gendarmerie et l'armée qui nous ont demandé de bien vouloir partir car le coin était dangereux.... cela ne rigole pas et nous n'avons pas eu d'autre choix que de partir en plein milieu de la nuit. Je n’apprécierais pas qu'ils me fassent le même cout cette année... Merci pour les infos si vous en avez .
Je voudrais moi aussi aller vers le lac de Van en juillet , mais j'arriverais par la Géorgie. Il me manque aussi des info sur ce coin de la Turquie. J'étais en Turquie en 2007 et une nuit vers Kayseri plus précisément Sultan Hani, nous dormions sur un parking d'une station service, en pleine nuit nous avons été réveillés par la gendarmerie et l'armée qui nous ont demandé de bien vouloir partir car le coin était dangereux.... cela ne rigole pas et nous n'avons pas eu d'autre choix que de partir en plein milieu de la nuit. Je n’apprécierais pas qu'ils me fassent le même cout cette année... Merci pour les infos si vous en avez .
Jack
Bonsoir,
Si Sultanhani était dangereux, ça se saurait. Simplement, la Jandarma n'aime pas laisser camper sur ce genre de parking ; il y a des logements, et un camping à SultanHani, enfin il y en avait un, j'en sais quelque chose.
Michel
Bonsoir,
Je voudrais moi aussi aller vers le lac de Van en juillet , mais j'arriverais par la Géorgie. Il me manque aussi des info sur ce coin de la Turquie. J'étais en Turquie en 2007 et une nuit vers Kayseri plus précisément Sultan Hani, nous dormions sur un parking d'une station service, en pleine nuit nous avons été réveillés par la gendarmerie et l'armée qui nous ont demandé de bien vouloir partir car le coin était dangereux.... cela ne rigole pas et nous n'avons pas eu d'autre choix que de partir en plein milieu de la nuit. Je n’apprécierais pas qu'ils me fassent le même cout cette année... Merci pour les infos si vous en avez .
Si Sultanhani était dangereux, ça se saurait. Simplement, la Jandarma n'aime pas laisser camper sur ce genre de parking ; il y a des logements, et un camping à SultanHani, enfin il y en avait un, j'en sais quelque chose.
Michel
Bonsoir,
Je voudrais moi aussi aller vers le lac de Van en juillet , mais j'arriverais par la Géorgie. Il me manque aussi des info sur ce coin de la Turquie. J'étais en Turquie en 2007 et une nuit vers Kayseri plus précisément Sultan Hani, nous dormions sur un parking d'une station service, en pleine nuit nous avons été réveillés par la gendarmerie et l'armée qui nous ont demandé de bien vouloir partir car le coin était dangereux.... cela ne rigole pas et nous n'avons pas eu d'autre choix que de partir en plein milieu de la nuit. Je n’apprécierais pas qu'ils me fassent le même cout cette année... Merci pour les infos si vous en avez .
Bonjour,
Je viens d'avoir le retour d'un contact en Turquie qui me confirme : Question: Good evening, I hope you are well, for my part everything is fine.But I still need you: is it possible to go to Lake Van by motorhome, From Georgia, then the road by Kars, Igdir, Dogubayazit, Van, Tatvan, Ercis, go back by Dogubayazit, Agri, Horasan .... Or should it take another road ? Réponse: Hello
Eveything is ok.
You should take that road.
If you go out from Batumi , Batumi - Hopa - Artvin - Kars and then your route..
If you leave Georgia from the other border, Posof - Kars and .... is the route. Regards, Traduction: Bonjour Tout va bien.Tu devrais prendre cette route.Si vous sortez de Batumi, Batumi - Hopa - Artvin - Kars et puis votre itinéraire ..Si vous quittez la Géorgie de l’autre frontière, Posof - Kars et… est la route.Cordialement,
Je viens d'avoir le retour d'un contact en Turquie qui me confirme : Question: Good evening, I hope you are well, for my part everything is fine.But I still need you: is it possible to go to Lake Van by motorhome, From Georgia, then the road by Kars, Igdir, Dogubayazit, Van, Tatvan, Ercis, go back by Dogubayazit, Agri, Horasan .... Or should it take another road ? Réponse: Hello
Eveything is ok.
You should take that road.
If you go out from Batumi , Batumi - Hopa - Artvin - Kars and then your route..
If you leave Georgia from the other border, Posof - Kars and .... is the route. Regards, Traduction: Bonjour Tout va bien.Tu devrais prendre cette route.Si vous sortez de Batumi, Batumi - Hopa - Artvin - Kars et puis votre itinéraire ..Si vous quittez la Géorgie de l’autre frontière, Posof - Kars et… est la route.Cordialement,
Jack
Bonjour,
On est actuellement dans cette zone, aucun soucis.
On a fait l'itinéraire suivant en gros : Posof, Kars, Van, Diyarbakir, Mardin.
Entre Van et Diyarbakir contrôle tout les 20-25 km. Sinon rien de special.
Pour trouver un coin dodo faut s'éloigner des routes. Sinon la Jandarma vient te réveiller.
Les villes sont safe, les routes bonnes.
Merci de votre réponse. Génial d'avoir des infos récentes.
Nous partons de France dans 11 jours et je commence à surveiller la météo.
Quelques questions si vous avez un peu de temps :
- si vous avez visité le palais d'Ishak Pasa, avez-vous tenté les pistes au sud pour retrouver la route nationale Dogubayazit-Van ?
- sur cette même route, le Tendurek Gecidi (2644 m je crois) est-il encore enneigé ?
- le cratère de Tatvan vous a-t-il tentés ?
- pour le sud, nous avons prévu de descendre vers Mardin par Siirt, Cizre et Mydiat, avez-vous des infos sur cette zone (visite des monastères ?) Hasankeyf ?
- envisagez-vous des visites autour de Sanliurfa (Harran, Gobleki tepe ?)
- enfin, pour les bivouacs, êtes-vous en camping-car ou 4x4 ?
Encore merci de la fraicheur des infos.
Raphaël
On devrait jamais quitter Montauban... mais on se force !
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Merci de votre réponse. Génial d'avoir des infos récentes.
Nous partons de France dans 11 jours et je commence à surveiller la météo.
Quelques questions si vous avez un peu de temps :
- si vous avez visité le palais d'Ishak Pasa, avez-vous tenté les pistes au sud pour retrouver la route nationale Dogubayazit-Van ?
- sur cette même route, le Tendurek Gecidi (2644 m je crois) est-il encore enneigé ?
- le cratère de Tatvan vous a-t-il tentés ?
- pour le sud, nous avons prévu de descendre vers Mardin par Siirt, Cizre et Mydiat, avez-vous des infos sur cette zone (visite des monastères ?) Hasankeyf ?
- envisagez-vous des visites autour de Sanliurfa (Harran, Gobleki tepe ?)
- enfin, pour les bivouacs, êtes-vous en camping-car ou 4x4 ?
Encore merci de la fraicheur des infos.
Raphaël
Bonjour Alors dans l'ordre : - le palais est magnifique, si le ciel est bleu quand tu y seras tu auras une chance qu'on a pas eu. La route est bonne. - on est dans un vieux camion qui galère en côte, et sans pneu neige. Du coup on a même pas tenté les sommets ( sauf ceux obligatoites). Du coup impossible de te dire pour le Tendurek et Tatvan. Désolé. -Je ne sais rien de cette zone, on a tracé vers Diyarbakir pour profiter de Novruz. - Bien sur, on va visiter les alentours de Urfa. - Pour la camping, peu importe ton véhicule, va en campagne. Tu y seras mieux, parfois des gens t inviteront. Les villes restent des villes avec tout ce que ça a de désagréable haha
Bonjour Alors dans l'ordre : - le palais est magnifique, si le ciel est bleu quand tu y seras tu auras une chance qu'on a pas eu. La route est bonne. - on est dans un vieux camion qui galère en côte, et sans pneu neige. Du coup on a même pas tenté les sommets ( sauf ceux obligatoites). Du coup impossible de te dire pour le Tendurek et Tatvan. Désolé. -Je ne sais rien de cette zone, on a tracé vers Diyarbakir pour profiter de Novruz. - Bien sur, on va visiter les alentours de Urfa. - Pour la camping, peu importe ton véhicule, va en campagne. Tu y seras mieux, parfois des gens t inviteront. Les villes restent des villes avec tout ce que ça a de désagréable haha
Bonjour,
Mes infos ne sont pas fraîches, mais le cratère du volcan Nemrut (dont l'éruption a "causé" le lac de Van) vaut le détour, avec ses lacs dont un à 60 °C, dont une grotte avec de la glace en plein été (un phénomène thermique...).
Et sur la plage du lac de Van, juste en-dessous du volcan, il y a une source chaude qui permet de se rincer agréablement après un bain dans l'eau salée du lac. A l'époque on pouvait bivouaquer au bord du lac sans soucis.
Olivier
Mes infos ne sont pas fraîches, mais le cratère du volcan Nemrut (dont l'éruption a "causé" le lac de Van) vaut le détour, avec ses lacs dont un à 60 °C, dont une grotte avec de la glace en plein été (un phénomène thermique...).
Et sur la plage du lac de Van, juste en-dessous du volcan, il y a une source chaude qui permet de se rincer agréablement après un bain dans l'eau salée du lac. A l'époque on pouvait bivouaquer au bord du lac sans soucis.
Olivier
Bonjour,
Cizre est un peu près de la frontière syrienne...
Pour le reste, ça dois aller.
Dominique
Bonsoir à tous, bonsoir Dominique. Oui Cizre n'est pas bien placée pour faire une escale.
Cependant nous souhaitons visiter le monastère Mor Gabriel et le trajet le plus court (hormis des pistes hasardeuses autour du Tigre) passe par Cizre pour remonter sur Midyat. Sinon, cela contraint à passer plus à l'ouest puis à revenir un peu sur nos pas. On verra bien le degré de persuasion des gendarmes, ce sont eux qui vont un peu décider de notre parcours.
Ensuite le site de Dara nous attire vraiment avant Mardin, ce serait un régal de pouvoir tout combiner.
Quel bonheur ce pays quand même ! On a hâte de démarrer de France.
J'ai même commencé à apprendre le turc sur Internet. Le problème c'est qu'au bout de trois semaines en y travaillant tous les jours, je ne sais dire que "Cette pomme est grosse" et "Je mange un sandwich". Franchement c'est dur de tout retenir, mais enfin, s'il me reste quelques mots en franchissant la frontière, ce sera déjà un début !
Bonne soirée à tous et pour vous qui connaissez super bien le pays, j'ai découvert une vidéo des gorges de l'Euphrate somptueuse à l'ouest de Kemaliye (vidéo du bas de page avec le vieux Toyota) :
http://www.erzincan.gov.tr/kemaliye
Raphaël
On devrait jamais quitter Montauban... mais on se force !
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKtXo3ts9Xco4bnDEBsLlBg?view_as=subscriber
Bonjour,
Oui, je me doute bien, mais Batman et hassankeyf c’est bien aussi !!!
Et peut être plus simple que de faire demi tour !
En pj une image de mar Gabriel
Dominique
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In our case, it’s the Avis-Budget agency in Vilnius trying to scam us.
We rented a car at Vilnius Airport for 2 weeks on July 28, 2019, to return it in Tallinn on August 11. We brought it back on August 11 at the airport, in perfect condition, and with a full tank at the gas station right by Tallinn Airport.
On the parking lot, the receptionist’s booth was closed. So we had to leave the car in the lot and go to the counter inside the airport. The person at the counter told us their colleague had gone for lunch! But they refused to come out and do the inspection with us because they were alone at the counter. They told us we could leave and that everything was fine!!!!
Two days later, we got an email from Avis-Budget with two invoices saying the car was damaged—scratched on both sides—and charging us for a full tank of gas. That’s two bills totaling 800 €!!!! Coincidentally, the deposit was 900 €!
It’s clear this isn’t over!! Have any of you been through the same nightmare? How did you handle it? Thanks in advance!
I’m spending 2 weeks in Crete in September and will need a rental car.
I usually go with Europcar, but comparing their offer to what Aegean Rentals has, I see Europcar is charging no less than 400 € more for the same car and similar insurance!
I’d love to hear if others have experience with Aegean Rentals, and if so, whether it was a good one?
Hi,
We’re heading to Greece in early October and will be staying in Kineta, north of the Saronic Gulf, and renting a car.
Is it feasible to visit Acrocorinth, Mycenae, Nafplio, and Epidaurus in a single day?
Thanks for your recommendations!
Hi there!
I’m sharing our itinerary for May/June 2027—23 days. This is our first time in Greece, so we’re starting with the must-see spots. We’re planning another trip later to explore the north, Thessaloniki, Macedonia, and some islands.
- Athens, 4 nights - Corinth area, 2 nights (Heraion of Perachora, Canal, Acrocorinth) - Nafplio, 3 nights (Mycenae, Epidaurus, Methana peninsula) - Gefira, 2 nights (Monemvasia) - Areopoli, 2 nights (Mani). Maybe add an extra night and stay on the peninsula??? Based on my calculations, the Mani loop is about 100 km—doable in a day, but it’d be a quick trip. - Sparta or Pikoulianika, 2 nights (Mystras) - Dimitsana, 2 nights (Lousios Gorge, monasteries) - Olympia, 2 nights (via Lagkadia?) - Delphi or Arachova, 3 nights (via the west coast, Galaxidi bridge) (Delphi, Hosios Loukas Monastery) - And back to Athens.
This is just a rough draft for now. We’re planning to stay in hotels or book through Booking.com. What do you think? Thanks for your feedback and suggestions!
- Athens, 4 nights - Corinth area, 2 nights (Heraion of Perachora, Canal, Acrocorinth) - Nafplio, 3 nights (Mycenae, Epidaurus, Methana peninsula) - Gefira, 2 nights (Monemvasia) - Areopoli, 2 nights (Mani). Maybe add an extra night and stay on the peninsula??? Based on my calculations, the Mani loop is about 100 km—doable in a day, but it’d be a quick trip. - Sparta or Pikoulianika, 2 nights (Mystras) - Dimitsana, 2 nights (Lousios Gorge, monasteries) - Olympia, 2 nights (via Lagkadia?) - Delphi or Arachova, 3 nights (via the west coast, Galaxidi bridge) (Delphi, Hosios Loukas Monastery) - And back to Athens.
This is just a rough draft for now. We’re planning to stay in hotels or book through Booking.com. What do you think? Thanks for your feedback and suggestions!
Over the past twenty-five years, I’ve traveled the roads between France and Moldova a good ten times, sometimes via Central Europe, other times via the Balkans.
It was while traveling like this—what I call "hitting the road the slow way"—that I realized something simple: our neighbors' neighbors are very clearly our neighbors too. And that’s not insignificant.
Proof: https://etreounepasetrebretillien.com/2018/03/19/moldova-mea/ 🤓
After a break of a few years, I’m planning to hit the road again in September, this time heading to Kosovo, crossing through Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro.
Having gotten a bit older, I’ve no intention of rushing—no need to speed ahead of the music! 😄
I’d rather take my time.
I’m not looking to see everything, but to soak in the atmosphere of the places, always leaving room for the unexpected and for encounters.
I’m especially drawn to culturally immersive, authentic, and welcoming regions: lively villages, backroads, preserved landscapes, markets, local festivals, traditions that are still very much alive... and, why not, a few offbeat, forgotten, or slightly secret spots.
If any of you know Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, or Kosovo a little, I’d love to hear your suggestions for itineraries, stops, backroads, homestays, village festivals, or local contacts, for example.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
It was while traveling like this—what I call "hitting the road the slow way"—that I realized something simple: our neighbors' neighbors are very clearly our neighbors too. And that’s not insignificant.
Proof: https://etreounepasetrebretillien.com/2018/03/19/moldova-mea/ 🤓
After a break of a few years, I’m planning to hit the road again in September, this time heading to Kosovo, crossing through Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro.
Having gotten a bit older, I’ve no intention of rushing—no need to speed ahead of the music! 😄
I’d rather take my time.
I’m not looking to see everything, but to soak in the atmosphere of the places, always leaving room for the unexpected and for encounters.
I’m especially drawn to culturally immersive, authentic, and welcoming regions: lively villages, backroads, preserved landscapes, markets, local festivals, traditions that are still very much alive... and, why not, a few offbeat, forgotten, or slightly secret spots.
If any of you know Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, or Kosovo a little, I’d love to hear your suggestions for itineraries, stops, backroads, homestays, village festivals, or local contacts, for example.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Planning to return to Belarus in mid-August, I just realized that since last September, Poland has reopened several border crossing points, and for buses, this means connections like Białystok-Grodno.
The official Polish page: https://granica.gov.pl/index_wait.php?p=b&c=t&v=pl&k=w

Several bus company routes, like on infobus.eu, take between 3 and 4 hours. Trains from Warsaw to Białystok take about 1.5 to 2 hours. This has the advantage of allowing comfortable train journeys with minimal time spent on a bus. Also, the Terespol-Brest border might have shorter queues if you still prefer a Warsaw-Brest bus.
Note that another route to Minsk, if you have a paper Russian or Belarusian visa, is the Kaliningrad-Minsk train. It’s long—around ten or eleven hours—but you can lie down and sleep. An option if you fly into Gdańsk and then take a short bus to Kaliningrad.
There are also Belavia flights from Minsk to Kaliningrad, but they’re expensive. The route is scenic:

In any case, this adds a few more options compared to what’s been available over the last four years.
The official Polish page: https://granica.gov.pl/index_wait.php?p=b&c=t&v=pl&k=w

Several bus company routes, like on infobus.eu, take between 3 and 4 hours. Trains from Warsaw to Białystok take about 1.5 to 2 hours. This has the advantage of allowing comfortable train journeys with minimal time spent on a bus. Also, the Terespol-Brest border might have shorter queues if you still prefer a Warsaw-Brest bus.
Note that another route to Minsk, if you have a paper Russian or Belarusian visa, is the Kaliningrad-Minsk train. It’s long—around ten or eleven hours—but you can lie down and sleep. An option if you fly into Gdańsk and then take a short bus to Kaliningrad.
There are also Belavia flights from Minsk to Kaliningrad, but they’re expensive. The route is scenic:

In any case, this adds a few more options compared to what’s been available over the last four years.
Hi there.
I’d like to know what the daily budget is for Greece in December. I’ll be landing in Athens and staying there for a week, then heading to some other islands—I don’t have a set itinerary yet. Also, I’ve heard that in December, or early January, the temperature is around 11–16°C. Is that accurate?
Finally, does anyone have a good recommendation for a cheap but clean hotel near the tourist sites? I don’t need a TV or any other extras. Also, is Greece gay-friendly?
Thanks in advance for your replies. Best regards
Finally, does anyone have a good recommendation for a cheap but clean hotel near the tourist sites? I don’t need a TV or any other extras. Also, is Greece gay-friendly?
Thanks in advance for your replies. Best regards
hi
I’d like to know the opening hours of physical stores between Germany and Austria, and between Austria and Slovenia, that sell the PAPER STICKER toll vignettes that still exist for 2026—non-digital ones. I don’t think they’re open 24/7, and I can’t find the info anywhere. Thanks
I’d like to know the opening hours of physical stores between Germany and Austria, and between Austria and Slovenia, that sell the PAPER STICKER toll vignettes that still exist for 2026—non-digital ones. I don’t think they’re open 24/7, and I can’t find the info anywhere. Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week trip in late September with our camper van to explore Bulgaria and Romania.
What routes would you recommend, starting from the South?
Is there an option to take a ferry in Italy, and is it worth it?
Thanks for all your tips!😊
Hi there, we’re a young couple and we’d love to go to the Blue Eye (Syri i Kalter) between today (26/06/26) and tomorrow (27/06/26).
Is anyone heading there and could give us a ride? We’re super friendly!
Thanks so much!
Maya and Sullivan
Maya and Sullivan
We're back. It's still a bit tough to get precise info, so here's a quick trip report!
A good starting point is Shkoder, a really pleasant city. You can easily explore Shkoder itself in a day or two.
Two accessible spots: Valbona and Theth. In both cases, local travel agencies in Shkoder or online offer round-trip or one-way access packages. Super handy, especially for Valbona.
Valbona and Theth are both very steep! There aren’t many easy hikes for less sporty folks (like me!).
Valbona: The highlight is the amazing 2.5-hour boat ride across Lake Koman. There are day trips from Shkoder, but you’ll only get a short tour of the lake. The best option is to do the full crossing—so spend a night in Valbona (or two if you want to hike in the valley) and return.
Theth is deeply nestled in the mountains. The village at the end of the valley, which is a dead end, has lots of hotels, but they’re pricey. Other hostels are scattered along the mountainside road, but it’s a steep climb down to the village or to the start of the two easy hikes (waterfalls and the Blue Eye). For us, it was a one-hour descent (and ascent!). It’s fine if you have a car; otherwise, keep an eye out for a taxi (cheap) or try hitchhiking—it works really well. Access from Shkoder to Theth is through an agency. The road is in great condition, and you can also rent a car for 2-3 days in Shkoder. If we did it again, that’s the option we’d choose.
We didn’t do the trek and returned to Shkoder each time. I can’t speak to its difficulty, but we were there in late May, and even experienced hikers had given up because of heavy rain and snow.
Hope this helps! It’s a stunning region you shouldn’t miss.
A good starting point is Shkoder, a really pleasant city. You can easily explore Shkoder itself in a day or two.
Two accessible spots: Valbona and Theth. In both cases, local travel agencies in Shkoder or online offer round-trip or one-way access packages. Super handy, especially for Valbona.
Valbona and Theth are both very steep! There aren’t many easy hikes for less sporty folks (like me!).
Valbona: The highlight is the amazing 2.5-hour boat ride across Lake Koman. There are day trips from Shkoder, but you’ll only get a short tour of the lake. The best option is to do the full crossing—so spend a night in Valbona (or two if you want to hike in the valley) and return.
Theth is deeply nestled in the mountains. The village at the end of the valley, which is a dead end, has lots of hotels, but they’re pricey. Other hostels are scattered along the mountainside road, but it’s a steep climb down to the village or to the start of the two easy hikes (waterfalls and the Blue Eye). For us, it was a one-hour descent (and ascent!). It’s fine if you have a car; otherwise, keep an eye out for a taxi (cheap) or try hitchhiking—it works really well. Access from Shkoder to Theth is through an agency. The road is in great condition, and you can also rent a car for 2-3 days in Shkoder. If we did it again, that’s the option we’d choose.
We didn’t do the trek and returned to Shkoder each time. I can’t speak to its difficulty, but we were there in late May, and even experienced hikers had given up because of heavy rain and snow.
Hope this helps! It’s a stunning region you shouldn’t miss.
We’re a Canadian couple, both 77, and we’re already planning our vacation for fall 2027.
Timeframe: mid-September to mid-October... dates are flexible, and we might stay even longer.
Initially, I had planned this itinerary:
Athens (3), Naxos (4), Paros (4), Santorini (4), then a flight to Istanbul (7–10 days!!). This would let us maximize our flights and experience another culture.
That’s a lot of ferries, though... I’ve already cut out Milos.
Our second option would be to stay 2 x 15 days on two different islands, but I’d still keep Istanbul as our next destination... or maybe 30 days on one island that offers the chance to take day trips to other islands where the ferry ride is no more than 2 to 2.5 hours. For example, Naxos to Paros only takes 30 minutes. We could return the same evening or stay overnight.
Naxos seems like the best option!!!
For Istanbul, of course we want to do a day cruise on the Bosphorus and see Hagia Sophia. If we stay 6–7 days, what would be the other main attractions? Are there any points of interest we can reach by local bus?
Our second option would be to stay 2 x 15 days on two different islands, but I’d still keep Istanbul as our next destination... or maybe 30 days on one island that offers the chance to take day trips to other islands where the ferry ride is no more than 2 to 2.5 hours. For example, Naxos to Paros only takes 30 minutes. We could return the same evening or stay overnight.
Naxos seems like the best option!!!
For Istanbul, of course we want to do a day cruise on the Bosphorus and see Hagia Sophia. If we stay 6–7 days, what would be the other main attractions? Are there any points of interest we can reach by local bus?
Hi there!
We bought our tickets to Greece at the end of November 2025, and let’s just say the geopolitical climate has really taken a turn since then with the war started by the United States against Iran. Not to mention all the other conflicts happening around the world 😕... Anyway!
Our flight from Montreal is on May 1st, and I was wondering how things are currently being experienced in Greece.
We were planning to rent a car and had already booked accommodations on three Cyclades islands!!
The oil shortage is also worrying us...
If you could share some insights on this, that would be great!
Thanks!!
Thanks!!






