Concrete changes in how you travel during the crisis
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Hi everyone,

I was wondering how the coronavirus pandemic has impacted the way you travel or plan your trips. I know some of these points have been discussed before, but what I’m interested in here is the concrete, present, and personal—no politics and nothing post-COVID.

Here are a few ideas—do any of these resonate with you?

- Traveling shorter distances / for shorter durations - Favoring rural or less crowded areas over urban or overcrowded ones - Opting for private transportation over public transit - Traveling solo or at least in pairs rather than in groups - Waiting until the crisis is over and saving money in the meantime - Reassessing health risks (and updating your first-aid kit/medications and vaccinations) - ...

I’m sure you’ll have other things to add. The floor is yours!
Caro La beauté des mots ne saurait excuser leur aigreur ~ voyageforum.com/discussion/votre-playlist-route-d10352797
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
I was wondering what impact the coronavirus pandemic had on how you travel

I refuse to be impacted!
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
- reassessed health risks (and updated your first-aid kit/medications and vaccinations)

Never more than 3 days in the mountains without my chloroquine.
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SA Sawadeebaht Regular ·
hey Caro, I asked the question and apart from them jumping on me and especially hiding what they planned to do like misers, I didn’t get great results. Maybe you’ll have better luck
Toujours une fois. Au moins.
CA Caro96 Regular ·
Yeah, I just saw the discussions you started on this topic. Still, it feels like a question that should interest people. For example, I was planning to go to the Himalayas and I’m wondering what to do in the meantime—take small trips now and then or save up? Right now, I’m leaning toward the second option and treating myself to a really amazing trip later. Another example: I have a friend who’s thinking of buying a motorcycle and traveling that way to avoid public transport.
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WI Willemspie Globetrotter ·
I've been hiking in Switzerland and the Pyrenees by taking the train instead of flying to more distant destinations. I also visited museums and went hiking in Belgium itself. But for the next seven or eight months, it's going to be tough.
GO Gowest2018 ·
Actually, this question is a bit too general to answer properly. We’ve been traveling a little closer to home (able to drive back in one go). We’ve canceled trips, sometimes just two days before, because of those blasted red zones popping up overnight. We’ve avoided crowded places like highway rest-stop restaurants. And we visited Rome with hardly anyone around—we really enjoyed it! We would’ve loved to go to other spots that are usually packed but are much quieter now, but in the end, it’s just too impossible to plan. We also checked out a few small museums right after lockdown ended.

Most of all, for next year, I can’t even plan—I think we’ll head to the mountains, but not as far as we’d once imagined.
EN Envallis Globetrotter ·
Hello everyone,

I was wondering what impact the coronavirus pandemic has had on how you travel or plan your trips. I know you’ve discussed some points before, but what I’m interested in here is the concrete, present, and personal—no politics and nothing post-Covid.

Here are a few ideas—do any of these resonate with you?

- traveling shorter distances / for shorter durations - favoring rural/less crowded areas over urban/overcrowded ones - opting for private transportation over public transit - traveling solo or at least in pairs rather than in groups - waiting until the crisis is over and saving in the meantime - reassessing health risks (and updating your first-aid kit/medications and vaccinations) - ...

I’m sure you’ll have other things to add. The floor is yours.

Hey,

This discussion was already started 2 or 3 weeks ago, if I remember correctly.

The majority response was: we’re not traveling anymore and we’re waiting for things to pick back up. Actually, since a lot of countries are closed, we don’t really have a choice...

When countries reopen, I don’t see what I’d need to change about my trips. Family discovery trips for the four of us or relaxing at resorts. It’s an unfortunate pause—I can’t wait for it to be over.😕 If this continues, we’ll explore less of the world and more of Europe, out of necessity (I discovered Mallorca this summer—what a wonderful surprise! I really need to finish my travel journal).

But that doesn’t stop us from having plans: I’d love to get away somewhere sunny in February. I’ve got modifiable tickets for a trip next April, and summer 2021 still feels too far away to think about.

Have a great day,
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CD Cdu24 ·
Hello, We’re two, retirement is very close, we live in the Dordogne and have places to stay in the Jura and by the sea in Normandy. In short, we’re not the most unfortunate, no urgent need to escape! Travel-wise: canceled—the Coastal Express postponed to November 2021, Cape Verde with no confirmed date yet. As for Namibia, which I’d imagined for autumn 2021, I’m not even mentioning it anymore... So, we’re reflecting, questioning, wondering what these trips—more or less distant—mean to us, what they bring us, what these "desires" or "needs" signify. On top of that, rightly or wrongly, there’s a slight guilt (flights, expenses, the gap with local populations in some countries, quite a few things that sometimes make us uncomfortable). And then we tell ourselves there are so many closer places we’re drawn to—French regions we don’t know, neighboring countries too. As a result, we’re buying a van that we’ll convert simply but with a minimum of comfort to set off for a few days whenever the mood strikes. To be continued...
CA Caro96 Regular ·
I went hiking in Switzerland and the Pyrenees by taking the train instead of flying to more distant destinations. I also visited museums and went hiking in Belgium itself. But for the next 7 or 8 months, it’ll be tough.

Trains are great—I hope they weren’t too crowded. Visiting museums is a good idea too; some people are taking advantage of the lack of foreign tourists to explore their city’s museums in peace (I’m one of them 🙂).
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CA Caro96 Regular ·
Actually, this question is a bit too general to answer properly. We’ve traveled a little closer (possible to get home by car in one go). We’ve canceled trips, sometimes just two days before, because of those blasted red zones that pop up in the blink of an eye. We’ve avoided crowded places like highway restaurants. And we visited Rome with hardly anyone around—we really enjoyed it! We would’ve loved to go to other spots that are usually packed but are much quieter now, but in the end, it’s just too impossible to plan. We also checked out a few small museums right after lockdown ended.

And most of all, for next year, I can’t bring myself to plan anything. I think we’ll head to the mountains, but not too far, like we’d imagined at one point.

So you’re traveling, but not too far so you can get back home in a day and not get caught off guard. Good idea—I’ll keep that in mind.
Caro La beauté des mots ne saurait excuser leur aigreur ~ voyageforum.com/discussion/votre-playlist-route-d10352797
CA Caro96 Regular ·
Discussion already started 2 or 3 weeks ago, I think.

The majority answer was: we’re no longer traveling and we’re waiting for things to restart. Actually, given that many countries are closed, we don’t have a choice... (...) (I discovered Majorca this summer—what a wonderful surprise! I still need to finish my travel journal.)

But that doesn’t stop us from having plans: I’d love to go somewhere sunny in February. I have modifiable tickets for a trip next April. And summer 2021 still feels too far away to really picture it.

Thanks for the little reminder. 🙂 I see you’re taking things philosophically and planning ahead. Plus, you’re using this time to discover closer destinations. So, there’s *some* good in this crisis...🏴‍☠️
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CA Caro96 Regular ·
Hello, We’re two, retirement is very near, we live in the Dordogne and have places to stay in the Jura and by the sea in Normandy. In short, we’re not the most unfortunate, no urgent need to escape! Regarding travel: canceled—the Coastal Express postponed to November 2021, Cape Verde with no confirmed date yet. As for Namibia, which I’d imagined for autumn 2021, I don’t even mention it anymore... So, we’re reflecting, questioning, wondering what these trips—more or less distant—mean to us, what they bring us, what these "desires" or "needs" signify. On top of that, rightly or wrongly, there’s a slight guilt (flights, expenses, the gap with local populations in some countries, quite a few things that sometimes make us uncomfortable). And then we tell ourselves there are so many closer places we’re curious about, French regions we don’t know, neighboring countries too. As a result, we’re buying a van that we’ll convert simply but with minimal comfort to set off for a few days whenever the mood strikes. To be continued...

Thanks, Christine, for this reply. It’s true this crisis makes you think about a lot of issues like the ones you mentioned. And it’s also an opportunity to keep things simpler, to rediscover your own country, even your own city. As I mentioned earlier to Pierre, I’m taking the chance to visit Parisian museums. I was lucky enough to visit the Palace of Versailles with almost no one around, just like the Arc de Triomphe. On the other hand, I went to the Louvre, and in front of the Mona Lisa, there was still a queue (with barriers—worse than before). 😕
Caro La beauté des mots ne saurait excuser leur aigreur ~ voyageforum.com/discussion/votre-playlist-route-d10352797
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Hello everyone,

I was wondering what impact the coronavirus pandemic has had on how you travel or plan your trips. I know you’ve discussed some points before, but what I’m interested in here is the concrete, present, and personal—no politics and nothing post-Covid.

Here are a few ideas—do any of these resonate with you?

- Traveling shorter distances / for less time - Favoring rural/sparsely populated areas over urban/crowded ones - Opting for private transportation over public transit - Traveling solo or at least in pairs rather than in groups - Waiting until the crisis is over and saving in the meantime - Reassessing health risks (and updating your first-aid kit/medications and vaccinations) - ...

I’m sure you’ll have other things to add. The floor is yours.

Ah, I probably should’ve named my last thread something like this! These are more or less the kinds of questions I wanted to ask, but my mind was foggy—I struggled to express myself.

For my part, the biggest change is that I’ve been able to travel less already... And of course, I now choose my destinations based on borders, whether masks are required in public (though few countries enforce that, so it’s fine), remaining flights, and prioritizing accommodations that are cancelable with low fees. Because if I already saw travel as just a project before actually being there, now it’s even more true!

I still travel as a duo (with my partner), but I’m ready to go solo if we disagree on the destination. I’m also considering slightly longer trips, maybe, because now I have more time, more money (thanks, lockdown savings), and absolutely no desire to stay where I am.

It’s more my daily life that’s been impacted (more by the measures than Covid itself), so I’m looking elsewhere for what I no longer have at home—fresh air, a lighter atmosphere, and less oppressive anxiety.

Trips will probably be decided somewhat "last-minute" or close to it.

For now, I’m leaning toward flying and city trips because, honestly, I miss cities.

By car? I’d love to... once we get one in good enough shape to go farther than the airport 😛

Health-wise? Obviously avoiding the hardest-hit countries, but since France is one of them, in the end...

Personally, one of my current time limits is my medication—I can’t get more than a month’s supply (I think exceptions are possible), so I still have to come back to rest!

I’m more afraid of being stuck in France than stuck in neighboring countries (I won’t go too far anyway), and nothing’s keeping me here, so in theory—bon voyage! (Though the medication limit mentioned above still applies).
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CA Caro96 Regular ·
For my part, it’s changed in that I can travel less now... And of course, I choose my destinations based on borders, whether masks are required in the streets (though few countries enforce that, so it’s fine), remaining flights, and I prioritize accommodations that can be canceled with little to no fees—because if I already saw travel as just a plan until I’m actually there, now it’s even more true!

I still travel as a duo (as a couple), but I’m ready to go solo if we disagree on the destination. I’m thinking of switching to slightly longer trips, maybe, because now I have the time, more money (thanks to confinement savings), and absolutely no desire to stay where I am.

It’s more my daily life that’s impacted (more by the measures than COVID itself), so I’m looking elsewhere for what I no longer have at home—mostly fresh air, a lighter atmosphere, and less oppressive anxiety.

Trips will probably be decided a bit "last-minute" or close to it.

For now, I’m leaning toward planes and cities because, honestly, I miss the city.

By car? I’d love to... once we get a car in good enough shape to go farther than the airport 😛

Health-wise? Obviously avoiding the hardest-hit countries, but since France is one of them, well...

Personally, one of my current limits is my medication—I can’t get more than a month’s supply (I think exceptions exist), so I still have to come back to rest!

I’m more afraid of being stuck in France than stuck in a neighboring country (I won’t go too far anyway), and nothing’s keeping me here, so in theory—bon voyage! (Though the medication limit still applies.)

Thanks, Miranda, for your long reply! Yes, I know—I asked the same question as others before me, but I was hoping to see new ideas come up. As for savings, that’s indeed one of the few upsides of COVID. I heard the French have saved 1 billion euros since the start of the crisis. I think most VF members never travel in groups, but I’d love to hear from those who do, whether through agencies or not. Thanks again, and safe travels to you all!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
You're welcome!
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CA Captainbang Veteran ·
I was wondering what impact the coronavirus pandemic had on how you travel or plan your trips.

Well, it's pretty simple: for now, I'm not traveling at all and I'm not planning anything! For the future, I'll see next year, depending on how the situation evolves.
CA Caro96 Regular ·
I was wondering what impact the coronavirus pandemic had on how you travel or plan your trips.

Well, it's pretty simple: for now, I'm not traveling anymore and I'm not planning anything! For the future, I'll see next year, depending on how the situation evolves.

It's drastic 😛
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
New concrete change: flights to Poland are now suspended, just when I wanted to go back. You can still get there another way, but you have to rethink the whole plan. That’s real.

I can’t see myself stopping traveling altogether, and I struggle to understand those who’ve completely stopped—though it’s still a choice like any other.
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RO Roamer ·
Hi Caroline,

Personally, I had to abandon my round-the-world trip after 2 years and 60,000 km, leaving my camper van in Melbourne and returning to Europe at the end of April...

All I have left is to visit parts of Europe (by motorcycle, by car) before I can go back to Australia to continue my journey.

Just a little "break", no big deal! Gotta stay zen. Bernard
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CA Caro96 Regular ·
Flights to Poland suspended just as I wanted to go back

I’m so sorry for you. I hope you hadn’t booked anything yet. For me, it’s different: it’s not that I can’t stop traveling, it’s that I can’t even start... 😛
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Well, luckily I was in Gdańsk in early September—I wanted to go back to Poland, but we’ll see how it goes.

Are you stuck?
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MO Moushika Globetrotter ·
Hi Caro, 🙂

Well, this year, I, who love going to Asia, have to wait... and I expect to keep waiting until next autumn (for India).

So, since I prefer to see the glass half full, I’ve been getting around and exploring my little country. I also spent a couple of weeks in Paris, where there’s always something new to discover; then I headed to Burgundy the following month (in Saône-et-Loire). I might be going back to Paris soon.

I’m keeping an eye on southern Portugal for November, but if I do go, I’ll only book a few days in advance.

I still have a flight awaiting a refund (for Lithuania, since the end of April). The airline promised to refund everyone by the end of October, but I don’t really believe it, given they’re on the verge of bankruptcy 😕

I hope you’ll be able to travel soon. Until borders reopen, you can still explore France and head to neighboring countries at the right time. And by deciding last-minute, you can go somewhere that’s turning green 😉

Happy future travels !
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CA Captainbang Veteran ·
A little "break"—no big deal! Just stay zen.

That’s exactly how I see it too. Now that I’m officially in the "high-risk" category, it’s safer for me to take a little break from traveling rather than keep going. A short pause won’t kill me.

Plus, it’ll let me save some cash for a few nice trips when things calm down. When exactly? No idea yet....
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

A little "break", no big deal! You just have to stay zen.

That’s exactly how I see it myself. Now that I’m classified as a high-risk person (VDM), it’s less risky for me to take a little "break" from traveling. A short pause from trips won’t kill me. Plus, it’ll let me save some "cash" for one or two nice trips when things calm down. When exactly? I don’t know yet....

What are VDM? 🤪 As for the rest, the idea of savings being there when travel becomes possible again—don’t kid yourself: financial black holes and abyssal losses will need to be filled, and that money (and even more) will vanish before it can be spent on new trips. Everyone will come out of this worse off, with rare exceptions—certainly not middle-class employees.

Michel
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
Everyone will come out of this worse off financially,

All those (and I imagine there are many) who travel to escape (as soon as I have 3 days off, I’m out of here) will end up richer on the inside.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
All those (and I imagine there are many) who travel to escape (as soon as I have 3 days off, I'm out of here) will become richer inside.

Even for those people, there’s no reason to think they’ll become richer—even internally. Just more miserable.

Michel
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

A little "break", no big deal! You just have to stay zen.

That’s exactly how I see it myself. Now that I’m classified as a high-risk person, it’s less risky for me to take a little "break" rather than travel. A short pause from traveling won’t kill me. Plus, it’ll let me save some "cash" that I can use for a nice trip when things are calmer. When exactly? I don’t know yet....

What are VDM? 🤪 As for the idea of savings being there when travel becomes possible again, don’t kid yourself: financial black holes and abyssal losses will need to be filled, and that money—and even more—will disappear before it can be spent on new trips. Everyone will come out of this poorer, with rare exceptions, and those certainly won’t be middle-class employees.

Michel

It really depends on the situation.

With the lockdown and then the travel break, I was able to save up and treat myself to a great trip to Venice. And since I’m going out less in my daily life now, that means more money to spend elsewhere. For now, of course, but I’m taking it day by day because life can be short, and you can’t take your savings to the grave.

That’s why I don’t want to put off traveling to some hypothetical later.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
All those (and I imagine there are many) who travel to escape (as soon as I have 3 days off, I'm out of here) will become richer inside.

Even for those people, there’s no reason to think they become richer—even internally. Only more miserable.

Michel

😉

That’s exactly what happens to me when I can’t travel.

EDIT: I just saw that traveling to Italy is going to be complicated again.

Honestly, I don’t feel any richer inside—in fact, quite the opposite. It’s travel that makes me feel alive.

Daily life with everyone masked in paranoia clearly isn’t enough to make up for it.
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XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
We wonder how billions of people managed before low-cost airlines to get an idea of what happiness was like.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
We wonder how billions of people managed before low-cost airlines to get an idea of what happiness was.

They were much freer in every aspect of life, by the way.

Michel
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
We wonder how billions of people managed before low-cost airlines to get an idea of what happiness was.

They were much freer in all aspects of life, by the way.

Michel

The 20 or 30 billion people who came before us "much freer in all aspects of life" than we are... really?
CA Captainbang Veteran ·
What are VDMs? 🤪

You don’t know this acronym? :) Well! It’s quite simple: I’m 63 years old and recently retired, which means I’ve now joined the category some people love to call VDMs—that is, Old People Messing! :) 😉
WI Willemspie Globetrotter ·
If you look it up on Google, no, VDM stands for Vie De Merde (Shitty Life).
CA Captainbang Veteran ·
Maybe so, but I can confirm I’ve heard the phrase "Vieux de Merde" and the acronym "VDM" used in the same way many times (with the barely hidden implication that all old people are useless to society)! And when you hear some despicable people say that coronavirus isn’t that serious because it mostly killed VDMs, it’s definitely "Vieux De Merde" they’re talking about!

Actually, quite a few acronyms can have multiple meanings. Small example: As a Belgian citizen, you’re surely familiar with our late SABENA. But do you know the humorous meaning behind that acronym? Such A Bloody Experience Never Again! 🙂
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
We wonder how billions of people managed before low-cost airlines to get an idea of what happiness was.

They had faith.
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CA Captainbang Veteran ·
They were religious.

Happiness through religion? Are you serious, or is this a joke?
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
Thanks Etienne,

I didn’t know about the VDMs I’m part of—those who could kick the bucket a few years early because of corona just by being VDMs. Some vile people have pushed this idea on VF, and it’s just a little creepy—step aside so I can take my place. We’re living in an amazing time.

An old lady who owns her age, who loves the term "old" and still goes on great hikes at 72, and who also loves younger generations.

Hannah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwVtoU0wQc
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XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
It's silly to look down on older people—given how fast life goes by, we're really just looking down on our future selves (especially since we only truly become ourselves as we age).🙂
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
What do you think of Leila's song? I love it. These young people are raising the bar.
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XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
Yeah, I didn’t know this singer... lovely talent. I prefer the younger generations to ours (well, in general, anyway).
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
They were religious.

Happiness through religion? Are you serious, or is this a joke?

No.

In every era, people had such miserable lives that they took refuge in religion. This is still the case in many parts of the world.

Humans weren’t necessarily happier before, and happiness is a recent concept.

We don’t all find happiness in the same things.

For me, it’s in travel.

And I prefer to talk about fulfillment rather than happiness.
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XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
Roissy CDG has replaced Notre-Dame de Paris, and the Bible is the ancestor of the EasyJet catalog.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

Roissy CDG replaced N.D de Paris, the Bible is the ancestor of the EasyJet catalog.

Mocking Miranda is a pretty common sport on VF, but it’s also a bit of a pointless one. The question of happiness isn’t new—it’s as old as philosophy itself. Paradoxically, the global village, instant communication, and the performative individualism we display to the world haven’t made people freer or happier. Back in the 1920s, at least in Europe, people had more freedom, more possibilities, more reasons to give their lives meaning, and more opportunities to start over if things went wrong. They also had more anonymity and adventure. It’s not impossible they were ultimately happier, even if they were deeply tied to religion and nation.

Michel
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
Do you really believe what you're writing about life in the 1920s? Do you know the history of those years, coming out of World War I with all the grief, disease, immigration, and the crisis? Religion was used to lead people by the nose—today, at least science is here to explain.
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
Mocking Miranda is a pretty common sport on VF, but it’s also kind of a pointless one

Uh, I don’t see how joking *with* Miranda is mockery (I did say "with"—if I’d wanted to mock, I would’ve used different words).
CA Captainbang Veteran ·
In every era, people had such miserable lives that they took refuge in religion. That’s still the case in many parts of the world.

Humans weren’t necessarily happier before, and happiness is a relatively recent concept.

We don’t all find happiness in the same things.

Okay! We’re totally off-topic now, but since we’ve started, might as well keep going! 🙂

I don’t feel like people today are happier than before—in fact, I think it’s quite the opposite!

Happiness isn’t a recent concept at all; ancient Greek philosophers were already talking about it!

As for saying we don’t all find happiness in the same things, I completely agree with you! For me, I definitely don’t find it in religion!
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
In the 1920s, at least in Europe, people were freer, had more possibilities, more reasons to give meaning to their lives, more opportunities to start over if things went wrong, more anonymity and adventure. It’s not impossible they were ultimately happier, even though they were deeply attached to both religion and nation.

There are a few messages, though—I was making fun of you when you said people used to be much freer and happier than today. Oh, in the 1920s? Between 1921 and 1923 in certain neighborhoods of big cities? ...if you reduce the history of humanity to that...
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

Do you really believe what you're writing about life in the 1920s?

Yes, I really do.

Are you familiar with the history of those years, coming out of World War I with all the grief, disease, immigration, and the crisis?

In the 1920s, at least in cities, women had a freedom they wouldn’t have again until the 1960s. The '20s were vibrant, free, open, and dazzling years.

Religion was used to control people back then—at least today, science is here to explain things.

I don’t think it’s that simple; in fact, we can see now that science explains and helps less and less.

Michel
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
There are a few messages, though—I was making fun of you when you said that people used to be much freer and happier than today. Oh, in the 1920s? Between 1921 and 1923 in certain neighborhoods of big cities? ...if you reduce the history of humanity to that...

Sure, you can prefer the official narrative you’re fed about the superiority of your current world, but freedom has clearly been in decline, in Europe and pretty much everywhere, since the 1990s.

Michel

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