Madeira: Between Disappointment and Enchantment
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MA Marimijean Veteran ·
Hi there, Well, it's a lovely travel journal about Funchal. Your photos of the market are stunning and bring back great memories! Of course, it's a shame you couldn't see the Monte Garden, as we really enjoyed it. On the other hand, it gave you the chance to take the cable car ride, which we found really interesting! We loved Funchal too, but we stayed in the center for 4 days, so we had time to explore its little streets!

For our part, we did the 25 Fontes hike, also in the rain, and were really glad to take the shuttle back up🙂 because, despite the rain, there were so many people! (and even in sandals!) I love your beautiful photos!

As for the south coast, what's disorienting are those huge concrete blocks all along the coastline. It's not just here that the sea is rising!!!

Thanks again for sharing your feelings!
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LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Good evening,

For our part, we did the 25 fountains, even in the rain, and were really happy to go back up with the shuttle🙂 because on top of that, despite the rain, there were a lot of people!

I admit I would’ve been really happy to take the shuttle back up too, but at least we had the place to ourselves! I should mention that by the time we started the walk, the afternoon was already well underway. When we got back to the parking lot, our car was the only one there.

those huge concrete blocks all along the coastline

It’s true that their aesthetics are debatable 😕😉. We also noticed the local entrepreneurs’ strong preference for concrete—or maybe it’s a cost issue, but it’s definitely not for aesthetic reasons.

Alright, I’ll finish my story tonight. I think I’ve been chatty enough as it is 😊 !
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Day 7: The last day—our flight takes off in the late afternoon. We take the opportunity to visit a few sites we’d missed.

First, **CAMARA DE LOBOS**. We found everything the guidebooks mention: fishermen playing cards on the sidewalk, the old boat beached on the shore with its drying fish, and the newer, colorful ones bobbing gently in the cove. The lookout where Churchill’s shadow lingers with his paintbrushes, the main square and its church, the shops with their touristy trinkets. Everything the guidebooks mention—yet nothing more. Has the "chamber of wolves" lost its soul by getting too close to Funchal and its bright lights?





Next, **CABO GIRAO**. We couldn’t leave without stopping by, and yes, it’s worth the detour. For the coastline stretching endlessly toward Funchal, sprawling like a giant octopus in the distance. For the gardens lining the shore, forming strange, elegant curves from above—like Nazca lines, minus the mystery. The glass floor is mostly folklore; you see just as well by leaning over the railing!





Finally, a detour to **RIBEIRO FRIO**, where we did the Balcões hike. It’s cloudy, but at least it’s not raining. So we go anyway—and see... NOTHING. Still, the walk was nice, and we got some fresh air before hopping on our flight, back to square one and ready for new adventures.



I told you we wouldn’t see anything!

RECAP: Madeira—why "between disappointment and enchantment"?

I **LOVED** the hikes, the variety of landscapes, the trail organization. This is definitely an island to explore on foot. By car, you end up back at the same spot way too quickly.

Our top hikes:

#1 Pico Arieiro to Achada do Teixeira via Pico Ruivo #2 Caldeirão Verde & Inferno from Casa da Queimadas #3 Bica da Cana & Pináculo #4 Ponta de São Lourenço #5 25 Fontes and Risco Waterfall

I liked the coastal areas less—they felt a bit too rugged for my taste, sometimes stark, and the unpredictable weather ruled everything. The villages often left me indifferent. You could sense a not-so-distant agricultural life, a bit sleepy, a bit outdated.

I didn’t like Funchal’s outskirts, which sprawl like conquerors, devouring every usable space. Across the island, I regretted the extreme touristification at the expense of natural spaces—the cliffs hastily cemented to prevent rockfalls, the excessive bridges and tunnels, the domestication of rivers with concrete walls that channel water faster than the torrents themselves. Madeira is rushing toward its quest for visitors, leaving pieces of its soul behind.

And—risking outrage—I don’t agree with the (very marketable) nickname "Island of Flowers." Yes, there are many species, many flowers, and I’m not denying that. But no more than elsewhere. It wasn’t what struck me. I find its original name far better chosen: *Madeira*, Portuguese for "wooded island." You could call it the Green Island, because that’s what dominates—green, dozens, hundreds of shades of green. Lush green, green that fills the abysses, cascades down mountainsides, clings to rock, follows rivers and *levadas*, climbs trails.

To hikers, I’d say: Yes, go, rush to Madeira—it’s an exceptional island. To those who don’t want to or can’t hike, to the contemplative types, I’d recommend Mediterranean islands instead. Personally, I find them prettier and easier to explore.

This is just my opinion, of course—one among many, tossed onto the forum (not into the water) for everyone to take what they will.

Thank you to all of you who followed along, took the time to comment, or shared your own memories. Every one of your messages was an encouragement and a real pleasure. And with vacations and summer just around the corner: Happy future travels to all!

To end on a high note, Ponta de São Lourenço from the sky...

Adeus! Until next time!
MU Muriel18 Globetrotter ·
Thanks Laure for this travel journal.

I won’t add anything to your summary... because I 100% agree with you (except for the order of the hikes, but we didn’t do exactly the same ones—I rank São Lourenço as #1... but we had sunshine and fewer people than at Caldeirão Verde...).

Muriel
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MA Marimijean Veteran ·
Hi there, I really enjoyed reliving this trip to Madeira through your story and photos! I also came back with the feeling that something was off! But with hindsight (it’s been a year already) and thanks to your travel journal, I’ve seen it in a different light. Thank you! I think this island is undergoing a major transformation—welcoming huge cruise ships full of tourists and building a new concrete quay!!! Meanwhile, many levadas are left more or less abandoned! It’s hard not to think that instead of pouring concrete, they should restore these beautiful levadas! Still, I fear (and it’s understandable) that younger generations won’t be able to live like their elders—cultivating terraces and maintaining the levadas, which are so difficult to access. That way of life may fade away or at least diminish. On the other hand, we found an island full of flowers but with many burned forests! So, you did the right thing by creating this wonderful travel journal and encouraging readers to visit as soon as possible! Happy planning for your future trips!
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LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hi Muriel,

Thanks for joining me all the way through this "after-the-fact" trip.

I see that our feelings about this beautiful island of Madeira align, even if my hiking ranking differs from yours 😉. The sun, the cold, the fatigue... there are so many factors that come into play, and we’re all different in reality as well as in our expectations—and I think that’s our greatest strength! That’s why these shared experiences we pick up here and there are so valuable. And if travel broadens the mind, I think travel journals contribute a lot to that too. But isn’t a journal or a project already (always) a journey in itself... 🙂😇

Wishing you great travel plans, and see you soon, maybe, on another journal or blog 😉 Laure
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Thanks, Marimichelle,

I really appreciated your comments and personal anecdotes. An exchange—when it involves open-minded people—is so much richer than a long monologue.

Personally, I came back feeling like I’d discovered some amazing places (hence the enchantment), but also with the sense that Madeira wasn’t the one I’d been "sold" (hence the disappointment). You see, my title wasn’t just a stylistic choice 😛!

Yes, the island is transforming, shaped by harsh natural constraints, still a bit stuck in the past (an island, I find, evolves much more slowly than a mainland region), but resolutely looking toward the future. It can no longer rely solely on agriculture, yet it must survive! Boosted by certain EU subsidies, it’s made choices that many are now questioning... Far be it from me to say whether they’re good or bad. But I couldn’t help imagining Corsica (which is over 10 times larger) crisscrossed with viaducts, riddled with tunnels, and its most intimate valleys covered in concrete—just like they’ve done in Madeira—and I shuddered at the thought 😕.

Like you, I think we should work *with* what nature offers, not *against* it, but it’s sometimes difficult, often more expensive, and less convenient. Time will tell what the future holds for Madeira...

And I’ll wrap up (because, well, everything must end 😇) by wishing you many wonderful travels in your own future... Laure
CA Calisson94 Veteran ·
Hi there! 🙂

Okay, I was starting to think, since I hadn’t seen any new messages pop up in the threads I follow about your travel journal, that something was up 😮. But no, turns out the journal is actually finished 🤪!

I’d left off at the amazing hike on the second day—the one where you conquered 😛 (your fears, your partner’s reluctance, and the Germans’ too), the mix of disappointments and enchantments on the third day, the forest post at Fanal, and your magical description of the fog rolling in (I could totally picture myself getting swallowed up too).

Then I took a little break from VF to wrap up my own travel journal (phew, that one really made me sweat), and I missed the ending 😊.

So, on this quiet Sunday morning, I’m savoring every bit of it—I’m savoring it…

I see that the fourth day was a real success, that you didn’t hesitate to brave the "hell" of it, and that it was totally worth it!

Like you, I’m more (and increasingly so) into nature than cities, but I also think it’s a shame not to spend a little time in a nice town when you’re staying there. I had a good laugh imagining you leaning forward to compensate for the slope 😏.

On the sixth day, I really loved Ponta do Sol, and once again, I fell under the spell of your writing (not just there, but I *loved* how you described the two villages).

I also think a great hike isn’t just about the destination—it’s about the journey there—and I totally get your disappointment about the 25 fontes.

In conclusion, a huge thank you 🙂 for this travel journal, brought to life by your stunning photos and your writing, which sweeps me away every time.

Before you mentioned it, Madeira wasn’t even on my radar, but now… who knows?

Laure
JE JeffPrX Regular ·
Hi Laure,

I finally finished reading your travel journal... A huge thank you: it’s full of dreams and beautiful photos! 😎

Thanks to your report, I can confirm that Madeira will definitely be on the agenda. The question is *when*—my work constraints have just shifted for the next 2-3 years... Originally planned for 2016... 😎

Looking forward to reading more from you. My next journal should be ready around August (Scotland in July).

See you soon, and thanks again! JF
"Il faut toujours viser la lune, car même en cas d’échec, on atterrit dans les étoiles" Oscar Wilde USA 2014 / ECOSSE 2015 / ESPAGNE 2017 / USA 2018 / Bientôt Madère2021&Lanzarote2025
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hello,

Madeira will definitely be on the agenda; the question is when, since work constraints have just shifted for the next 2–3 years...

Yep, we’ve all been there—when and how way more often than where... 😉😇

My next travel journal should be up around August (Scotland in July)

I’ll keep an eye out for it, and in the meantime, have a great vacation with the whole family! For us, it’ll be a few days in London at the end of July.

See you soon, and thanks! Laure
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Thank you, Laure, for your attentive reading of my travel journals and for your always relevant and very kind remarks 🙂. Now it’s your turn to enjoy (again) the USA and share your experiences with us afterward 😛! I think your departure is coming up... Watch out for bears and mosquitoes—the first are visible from afar, but the second are often downright treacherous. They love me, a feeling I definitely don’t return . I’m obviously talking about mosquitoes, not bears, which I haven’t had the chance to meet yet (and honestly, I’m in no rush).

For us, as you already know, it’ll be the city after nature...

Me too, I’m more (and increasingly so, actually) into nature than cities

But London is so much more than just a city, and I’m not giving up on dragging my family to some *so British* green spots I’ve already scoped out .

Have a great holiday, all five of you, and see you soon on VF 😉 Laure
AN Anafi ·
It's a shame you were partly disappointed with your stay, but every trip has uncontrollable elements. If other vacationers aren't friendly, that's not the destination's fault...

Still, you did some of the island's most beautiful hikes, especially São Lourenço and Pico Ruivo. It's true there's often fog on that trail because of the terrain, which is why you shouldn't hesitate to postpone the walk to the next day if you can and head out early in the day. You can't control the weather either—that's the same everywhere. It'd be too perfect otherwise!

Luckily, when bad weather hits, it never lasts long, and the island is so beautiful you can still enjoy it even without bright sunshine. Plus, there are several levadas that are recommended on rainy days because they're protected by vegetation, like the Levada dos Cedros between Encumeada and Porto Moniz or the one in the forest just south of Santana.
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hi Olivier,

Of course, everyone’s feelings are very personal, and that’s what makes this forum so rich 😉 The weather, fatigue, and all those little uncontrollable things can change how we perceive a place.

Still, as you’ve probably noticed, what truly "enchanted" me in Madeira was the nature and the hikes we did—absolutely stunning, maybe even more so with those mysterious banks of mist.

My disappointment, as I mentioned, came more from the coastlines and the sometimes overly aggressive developments, but even that’s just my personal take. That said, I can reassure you: the enchantment far outweighed the disappointment 😛

Have a great day!
AN Anafi ·
Huge issue! Tourism lets us discover a country and helps that country and its people develop—sometimes even survive—but on the other hand, it can also distort or even disfigure it when it's poorly managed. This is less and less the case today because authorities now have examples of what *not* to do and avoid certain mistakes, but it's still a tough balance to strike. In Madeira, they’ve chosen to offer an alternative to hiking tourism with places like Calheta and Machico, which attracts a different type of clientele. Not necessarily the happiest outcome, but economically, it makes sense... Fortunately, in my opinion, it’s still limited, and most of the island—especially the northern half—is well preserved. That said, some areas are definitely less appealing than others.

I was on the Spanish coast two years ago. It must’ve been a little slice of paradise 40 years ago.
JE JeffPrX Regular ·
For us, it’ll be a few days in London at the end of July.

Phew, back from Scotland!! And you, back from London?

See you soon, JF
"Il faut toujours viser la lune, car même en cas d’échec, on atterrit dans les étoiles" Oscar Wilde USA 2014 / ECOSSE 2015 / ESPAGNE 2017 / USA 2018 / Bientôt Madère2021&Lanzarote2025
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hi Jeff,

Yes, we’re back from London, and now I’m all set to take a retrospective trip to Scotland with you and yours... 😛 We sure do travel a lot on VF—we *almost* never stop See you soon! Laure
Pétille ·
Lovely post and stunning photos. I just got back from Madeira, and I don’t share all your opinions, but... they’re your opinions. That said, in some shops, I wondered if they’d had their 4 o’clock tea stolen? Some bars clearly hiked up their prices (it felt like "tourist" was written on our foreheads). But the rest... Wow! I recognize some of your photos in mine ;) It’s true that I had questions about one spot with quite a few dead trees (apparently from an insect killing the pines), but luckily, the eucalyptus trees grow fast and replace them quickly. I see you stayed in a hotel (or at least, it looks like it)—we preferred staying in guesthouses (*casas serenas*), and I have to say, we were blown away! A wonder, a paradise on earth. I highly recommend it if you go back! We’ll definitely return to Madeira. The guesthouse owners suggested coming back during the flower season because the *levadas* are even more beautiful then... I can’t even imagine! See you in 2 years ;) Sophie (sparkles)
YE Yemen Veteran ·
Hi Sophie,

Could you tell us about the opinions you don’t share?

Can you give us some info about your guesthouse?

What were your favorite spots: villages, hikes, sites?

Thanks, Laurence
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Pétille ·
Hello Yemen, My opinion does differ on a few points, but that’s perfectly normal—we don’t all have the same expectations or perspectives. For example, in Funchal, I loved the oceanfront walk that goes from Funchal to Câmara de Lobos, a village I ended up visiting and really enjoying as well. But it’s true that I didn’t have a tourist guide, and I wandered, discovered, felt, and observed the people living there. Sure, it’s not very big, and the shop sells pretty much the same things as the others, but I found it extraordinary, really! As for the "meteorological clemency" of Funchal compared to the rest of the island...???? I didn’t quite get it at first until I realized that our narrator (who truly has talent, not to mention being a great photographer) had her base there. So when coming back from the north, it makes sense... But in terms of weather, the rest of the south coast is just as good—if not a bit sunnier than Calheta. The Fanal Forest, which my hosts strongly recommended, calling it "the magical forest"—what a fitting nickname! We visited it in the fog too, and what a WONDER! The trees under that mist turn into lace, and you half-expect to see little fairies appear. That’s exactly how Sandrine (Lisette’s daughter, the owner of the guesthouse) described it in her tips, comparing it to Brocéliande. The black cows grazing there become ghostly. In short, I LOVED it! I could’ve stayed for hours. I also really enjoyed visiting the North. A wild coast—you feel like you’re at the end of the world. A pure emerald, the mountains—when I was lucky enough to see them through the fog—are so mysterious and fabulous. It gives you that "great adventure" feeling!

Ah... and Jardim do Mar... STUNNING! (Again, in my opinion.) I wouldn’t say it’s a village "renovated with study," but rather preserved, calm, and playful with its labyrinthine alleys where we delighted in getting lost. The sunset over the cliffs we watched at the end of the day was... wow... Next time, we’ll definitely bring a little basket with a bottle and two glasses ;) And to wrap up our differing opinions on the island’s name... Well, September isn’t the best time to visit! But then... what’s it like when it *is* the right time??? (So we’ll be back in the spring to see the show.) Maybe we were influenced by the garden at Casas Serenas, where flowers are in abundance, and Lisette opened our eyes to this discovery... As for telling you more about the guesthouse where we stayed... Given the beauty of the garden, the stunning decor of the house (Casa Romantica), and the warm, family-like welcome from Lisette and Jacky (who’s a real clown—he had us laughing during a little apéritif!), not to mention the fruit basket we got on arrival... it was royal. We couldn’t help but promise to spread the word about them! Though I doubt they really need it, since I found their address on this site too. Here’s the link to their blog where you can find photos: http://casas-serenas.blogspot.fr/ To contact them, I went through this blog. I got in touch with Sandrine, who’s in France (they’re French) and handles bookings for her parents. Her welcome was super professional! (I later learned she’s a pro in commerce—makes sense!!) She was very available and helped me plan this trip. I really recommend them. (Small downside: you need a car to get to the beach, which is 2 km away—too bad for me since I love swimming... And Calheta isn’t the prettiest village either. But Jardim do Mar is only 5 km away! Sparkle (Soso)
YE Yemen Veteran ·
thanks Pétille,

Your reply is bubbling with life, feelings, and little joys.

I’ll get back to you when I’m really preparing for the trip soon.

laurence
On est la somme de nos rencontres
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hi Sophie,

Thank you so much for sharing your experience and also for your kind comments on my story 😉. Of course, we don’t all have the same opinions, perspectives, or expectations about a country—and thank goodness for that! It’d be so dull if everyone traveled to the same places in the same way!

Personally, I plan my trips so much that they start as soon as the project is set. I read guidebooks, of course, but also testimonials I find here and there, along with geographical, economic, and sometimes political articles. I love comparing travelers’ experiences with those of locals when possible. As a result, I do leave with a very fixed image in mind. That has its advantages... and its drawbacks. The clash between imagination and reality can be brutal, but it’s also allowed me to discover little hidden gems, some off-the-beaten-path routes, and I’ve never regretted it. Imagination is always different from reality, so surprises are guaranteed. My travel companion, who just goes with the flow and doesn’t plan anything , certainly has a completely different approach.

Like you, I loved the Fanal Forest and its unique, magical, almost fairy-tale atmosphere. On the other hand, I didn’t appreciate the North at all. You describe it as mysterious and captivating, while I found it oppressive, almost sinister. You can tell we’re talking about the same place in our descriptions, yet our feelings are polar opposites. It’s all about personality, timing... What subtleties each of us carries!

More than three months after this trip, my impressions have turned into memories, and the sharp edges of criticism have softened. What remains in my mind are the wonderful hikes in the mountains, along the levadas, the sound of water rushing, the rustling of lush vegetation, and green, green everywhere, as far as the eye can see. Madeira will stay in my mind for its fabulous nature and breathtaking hikes. The rest, I’ve let go of.

Sure, you stayed in a guesthouse while we preferred a hotel, but I sometimes choose the anonymity of a larger place that lets us reclaim, for the duration of a trip, a bit of the intimacy that daily life so stubbornly steals from us. But that’s another topic 😛

As for going back to Madeira, it’s not on the agenda. It’s not that the island didn’t please us, but I generally refuse to consider the same destination twice. The world is so vast, I have so many ideas, so many desires... I’ve made the choice to explore, and I try to pick my path so it leads me to new horizons. Again, this is a very personal choice—not to delve deeper, not to get into the details. But life is made of choices, and choices are also about letting go...

Happy future travels, Sophie/Pétille, and thank you again for such an enriching post. Laure
MI Midelt21 Regular ·
hi, we’re heading back to Madeira from May 10th to 21st, 2016....I read your post about renting a car carefully....it’s really interesting, especially since scams seem so common....could you tell me more about it??? your photos of Ponta de São Lourenço are amazing, so we’re definitely going there now...thanks and have a great day..
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Good evening Michel,

For car rentals, we often book through the Carigami website (which used to be locationdevoiture.fr). I find their site clear and the additional insurance options well detailed, but it’s still a middleman, and we haven’t tested their services in case of any issues. Their prices are quite competitive, and unlike others, you can see the rental company when booking.

I like having zero-excess insurance, but that’s a personal choice. Having two drivers is convenient, and I don’t like the note: "return the tank empty"—first because it’s never completely empty, and second because the refill is usually charged at an exorbitant price.

It’s true that car rentals come with so many scams that we’ve become very suspicious when dealing with this step, which causes quite a bit of stress.

In Madeira, with Avis, we had no issues at all. If you have any specific questions, don’t hesitate.

Regarding Ponta de São Lourenço, if you get the chance, go in the afternoon—the light will be better. It’s absolutely stunning! Happy planning, and feel free to ask for any other tips.

Have a good evening, Laure
MI Midelt21 Regular ·
hi laure, thanks for your reply... if I have any other questions, I won’t hesitate... have a good evening michel
BU Bueche ·
Hello Laure,

I’m new to this discussion forum and I’ve read your comments about Madeira, which interest me a lot.

I’ve already been to Madeira for a week, but it was for work. From what I saw, I found it magnificent!

Now, my wife and I are possibly planning to go there for our vacation for two weeks around mid-September.

The goal of our vacation is a mix of relaxation in a nice hotel with a pool and ocean access (I saw the Quinta da Penha da França hotel in Funchal, for example) and renting a car for the duration of our stay to explore. We love nature, flowers, and so on.

My question is whether two weeks in Madeira might be too long. Would you recommend spending the full two weeks in Madeira, or maybe just one week in Madeira and the second week in Portugal on the mainland? Or the other way around?

Looking forward to reading your reply soon.

Best regards,

Etienne
MI Midelt21 Regular ·
hi there, if you want to see everything, a fortnight is great... as for us, my wife and I visited Lisbon and Madeira last year, and we're heading back in a month to do Porto and Madeira again... Portugal is such a charming country. happy travels and enjoy your stay!
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Good evening Etienne,

My question is whether two weeks in Madeira isn’t too long.

I’ll give you my opinion, which is of course very subjective. Madeira is a magnificent and diverse island, with distinct northern, eastern, southern, western, and central regions, but it’s still relatively small.

If you plan to explore it on foot with plenty of hikes, there’s no doubt you’ll have enough to do in two weeks. However, if you prefer a more superficial visit, sticking to the major sites and relying on a car, and you don’t want or can’t walk much, then I’d say a week might be enough.

That said, I’d add a caveat:

The goal of our vacation is a mix of relaxation in a nice hotel with a pool and ocean access

If this trip is also about rest and recovery, then two weeks could definitely work. It all depends on your travel pace. Just one more note about ocean access: beaches are rare in Madeira and aren’t the island’s main attraction.

Lastly, don’t forget the neighboring island of Porto Santo. I haven’t had the chance to go there yet, but it could be an appealing alternative—like 10 days in Madeira and 4 in Porto Santo. That’s probably the option I’d choose in your situation BUT, I don’t know Portugal (yet 😉) AND I’m not in your shoes 😇.

Hope this helps a little with your decision... Best regards, Laure
BU Bueche ·
Hi Michel,

Thanks so much for your reply to my post today.

Etienne
BU Bueche ·
Hi Laure,

Thanks so much for your reply to my message today.

Best regards and have a great evening.

Etienne
DK DKliptus Regular ·
Hey there,

I’d like to add my two cents since I spent 4 days in Madeira in January.

The goal of our vacation is a mix of relaxation in a nice hotel with a pool and ocean access (I saw, for example, the Quinta da Penha da França hotel in Funchal), and renting a car for the duration of our stay to go on excursions. We really enjoy nature, flowers, etc.

With one exception (ocean access), you’ll find the Choupana Hills Resort & Spa. I loved it. Sure, it’s up in the hills and doesn’t have direct sea access, but it’s right in the middle of nature (a levada runs through it). It’s a hotel I can only recommend—maybe one of the best I’ve ever stayed in. Just so you know, the hotel helps with car rentals and provides shuttles to and from downtown Funchal.

My question is whether two weeks in Madeira is too long. Would you recommend spending both weeks in Madeira, or, for example, just one week in Madeira and the second week in mainland Portugal? Or the other way around?

Two weeks seems a bit long to me. In 4 days, we honestly covered a lot without feeling rushed. That said, we didn’t go to Porto Santo. If the goal is just to relax, though… why not!
TO Torpan Regular ·
Thanks for this beautiful account of Madeira—I’ll be visiting in a month!

Have a great trip ahead! ;)
FA Fabiomontel Regular ·
hi Lol64

I can't find the link to your travel journal
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
And thanks for this message 😉 I hope you have a wonderful discovery of this famous “Island of Flowers,” which, with spring on its side, will certainly live up to its promises...
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Good evening,

The beginning is on page 1 or right here https://voyageforum.com/discussion/madere-entre-deception-enchantement-d7068047/
RI Riquier ·
Hi there, I followed the discussion that started back in 2015, and here’s our take after returning from our trip to Madeira:

Oh yes, THE DISAPPOINTMENT—far more than the dream!

- 1) The “Island of Flowers”??? More like the island of concrete and greenery.

- 2) No issue with welcoming the independent traveler: - No bus network map available anywhere. Instead, even at a vague kiosk at the tourism office on the Marina, there were tons of ads for yellow buses, red buses, jeeps, etc.—all high-profit options—and yellow taxis everywhere! The two young staff at that famous kiosk eventually gave us a photocopy of the island and bus map (photo), BUT no one told us that when leaving Funchal, you switch to a different “company” and have to pay extra!!! That info isn’t on the photocopy or the bus company’s website.

So we bought that famous day pass for 5 € at the tobacco shop next to the hotel (and discovered its quirks later). The next day, we were asked, “Do you have the old pass?” “No.” “Ah, because if you’d kept it, you’d have paid 4.50 € instead of 5 €.” Except no one told us that the day before!

No direction signs, no map of where the buses depart from.

- 3) We took a “tour” in a comfy minibus with French-speaking travelers from all over. The driver’s singing got to our stomachs, so we had lunch at the restaurant he suggested. And—oddly—at the end of the meal, the credit card “wasn’t working that day” (sic). We ended up paying in cash… hmm, curious that they didn’t mention that BEFORE we ate. Cash is… more convenient? More profitable? Less traceable?

- 4) The Lido: a pile of monstrous hotels, at the expense of elegant villas being destroyed little by little.

- 5) Câmara de Lobos and Cabo Girão: it’s like Cassis and the Bec de l’Aigle near La Ciotat, except the rock is black since it’s volcanic.

- 6) At the Marina, we wanted to take a tuk-tuk, but the two employees were too busy congratulating each other while polishing their vehicles to notice us. After a pretty long wait, we gave up because cruise ship passengers—those floating cities—were arriving in a steady stream. No worries for the tuk-tuk drivers, though; they’ll make their money. Meanwhile, 50 meters away, you’re constantly hassled by people pushing yellow buses, red buses, restaurants, etc.

- 7) The welcome at the hotel was fine, and the room matched what we’d requested.

Bottom line: if you’re heading to Madeira, book through a tour operator and make sure to tell them EVERYTHING you think is important. They’ll drive you around, give you info, and spare you some disappointments. Paying in full for this kind of trip guarantees you won’t be caught off guard.

You’ll then be lumped in with the tourists from Northern Europe—those who arrive in droves and reinforce the Madeirans’… indifference? toward mass tourism groups.

Visiting Madeira as an independent traveler isn’t really pleasant.
MU Muriel18 Globetrotter ·
Hi

In short, a tip for going to Madeira: book through a tour operator

... or travel independently but rent a car—it’ll let you go wherever you like based on your interests and preferred vibe. Muriel
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RI Riquier ·
Following the wary messages—if only in the Madeira forum list—and elsewhere, regarding car rental companies... see the previous discussions about Madeira... and since we don’t speak Portuguese, we preferred to use public transport, unfortunately without much success.

Example: - The comments from "locals" about drivers... foreigners, like the incident on Sunday on Estrada Monumental, the poor tourist... - The behavior of tour bus drivers at the sights (our famous mini-bus excursion) to "help"??? or hinder rental cars???... and... pricing example: - Taxi from Lido to Porto Moniz, 90 km round trip, quoted at... 140 €. Diesel is at 1.22 € per liter...
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Good evening,

What a shame you only discovered the negative side of Madeira. A trip is such a financial and psychological investment that it’s always tough to come back disillusioned.

I still believe that Madeira, even if it’s not the ideal island it’s sometimes sold as, has plenty of strengths and can charm visitors—but like Muriel, I think renting a car is the best way to explore it, along with... a good pair of hiking shoes 😉 (our walks on the island remain our best memories).

We rented a car, and even without speaking Portuguese and taking all the necessary precautions regarding insurance, the rental company’s reputation, etc., we didn’t have any problems. So it’s definitely doable 🙂 As for driving, we didn’t find it difficult either. We were on vacation, exploring, so we took it easy 🙂 and besides, Madeira isn’t the Parisian suburbs, thankfully 😏

The bus probably isn’t the best way to discover Madeira, based on your experience. However, I’m not sure a tour operator would guarantee a better trip... The best thing is to have the means and time to wander off the beaten path, but unfortunately, time is something most visitors don’t have much of. As for the downsides of mass tourism, they’re just part of tourism in general...

I hope you have other wonderful trips to make up for this unfortunate experience.
AL Allansd Regular ·
Hello,

I read your story with great interest and really enjoyed your photos. It makes me want to go there so badly! This will be really helpful for our 3-month trip from January to March 2019, so we can escape the winter in France. However, I’ve seen in several comments that since the island is small, you can explore it quickly, and I’m worried that 3 months might get a bit boring. We’re prioritizing this destination for the climate, as my partner needs sunshine and relatively dry weather for her health. I read that temperatures are around 17–19°C at that time of year—is that really the case? (Obviously, just an approximation!)

Thanks in advance for your reply, Best regards, ... Alain
LI Libed3 Veteran ·
Hello,

However, several comments suggest that since the island is small, you can explore it quickly, and 3 months might risk becoming boring. We’re prioritizing this destination for its climate, as my partner needs sunshine and relatively dry weather for her health. I’ve read that at this time of year, temperatures range between 17 and 19 degrees—is that really the case? (Approximately, of course!).

Thanks in advance for any reply, Best regards, ... Alain

Hi, That’s exactly what crossed my mind when I read about your plans—getting bored. Plus, I don’t think Madeira has a dry climate; it’s actually quite humid, which is why the vegetation is so lush everywhere.
LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hi there,

I’m so glad you enjoyed my story!

Unfortunately, I’m not sure I can help much with your current questions. Since I only stayed on the island for a week in the spring, it’s hard for me to say what the weather’s like in winter. But there are plenty of websites out there with that kind of info—you shouldn’t have any trouble finding it.

As for staying on the island for 3 months, that really depends on you and what you’re looking for. If it’s a relaxing, restful trip, why not? For me, though, with my regular case of "itchy feet" 😉 I don’t think it’d suit me.

Sorry I can’t be more helpful. If you’re looking for a dry, warm climate in winter, you might want to look further south, toward the Mediterranean. Something to consider!

Wishing you wonderful discoveries in Madeira or elsewhere! 😎
AL Allansd Regular ·
Hello,

Thanks for your reply and your kindness. I think we’ll need to do some thinking... Best regards, ... Alain
YA Yalena Regular ·
Hi Laure!

Thanks for your story—it’s really funny and detailed. I’m going to use it for inspiration for my trip during the last two weeks of May on this island!!

On another note, I’d like to offer fellow Madeira lovers (there are plenty on this post!) the chance to swap my topoguide and the Rota Vicentina map (a hiking route on the west coast of Portugal), which I won’t be using anymore, for a Rother hiking guide for Madeira. I’m based in Paris.

If I don’t find a taker, no worries—I’ll just order the Rother Guide, which looks really comprehensive. But in the spirit of exchange, I wanted to give it a shot while also thanking Laure for her travel journal.

Have a great day,

Yalena
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JE JeffPrX Regular ·
Hi Laure,

Well, to celebrate VoyageForum’s reopening, I just dove back into this travel journal about Madeira. So many great memories coming back!!

Which has me really wanting to write a journal about our 2021 trip to Madeira...

See you soon, C&JF
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LO Lol64 Veteran ·
Hi Jean François (& co 😄), so glad to see you back on the forum—we missed you! I’d love to post a little travel journal about our Namibia road trip from last May too. Just need to find the motivation… and the time 😅 Have a great day, and maybe see you soon on your journal or mine! 😊
FA Fabregal Veteran ·
Hi Laure, so nice to see you again after all this time! I hope you and your family are doing well. Looking forward to reading your travel journals! I’m trying to do the same, though it’s gonna be tough with so little time. Hugs, Hélène
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ES Escaladin ·
Hello everyone, and especially to Laure, whose account I literally savored more than 10 years after she wrote it. What beautiful writing and so much poetry in the description of the island—huge kudos! 😎

I just signed up for this forum, specifically looking for information to prepare our trip, as we’re heading to Madeira in 9 days for two weeks of discovery and, above all, hiking. So, of course, I took note of your ranking of the hikes you’ve done with great interest!

From my research and reading, it seems the island has changed a lot in 10 years. Today, most hikes are paid, you have to book a day and a time slot to do them, and pay in advance. However, the most iconic hikes (Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo, Ponta de São Lourenço, 25 Fontes, etc.) are already fully booked if you want to do them independently. There are only spots left if you go through a local tour operator, as most are reserved for them. Since we don’t want to hike with a guide and a group, I think we’ll do others instead.

But I won’t clutter this beautiful account with my concerns—I’ll post a new message to see if I can find answers there instead 🙂

Happy travels to everyone,

Pascal
Si la montagne ne vient pas à toi, va à la montagne !

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