Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Les Américains
by Williama
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
" les progressistes américains ont fait plus pour avancer dans toutes les causes que je cite un peu plus haut que dans nul autre pays dans le monde."
C'est un scoop. Quelques exemples peut-être ?
Michel
C'est un scoop. Quelques exemples peut-être ?
Michel
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Ah mais eschatologique est très convenable ; un peu haut de gamme, peut-être... 🙂
Michel
Ah mais eschatologique est très convenable ; un peu haut de gamme, peut-être... 🙂
Michel
Pour ton info, au plus fort de la révolution culturelle et libertaire hippie, la ville de San Francisco ne comptait pas moins de 300 000 jeunes qui vivaient au quotidien cette révolution avec tout ce que cela implique dans la ville pour ses structures et ses moeurs. Et je ne parle pas toujours à San Francisco, des milliers d'homos, lesbiennes qui ont su faire prévaloir depuis très longtemps leurs droits à être respecté.
C'est autre chose que quelques communautés de babas implantées au fin fond du Larzac sous l'oeil goguenard de ploucs ou du débat sur l'homoparentalité qui a ici les plus grandes peines du monde à s'esquisser y compris dans les milieux dit "progressistes".
Bonjour,
... mais tu te places uniquement du point de vue religieux des extrémistes évangélistes. Alors que pour la grande majorité des juifs américains il s'agit d'une question de reconnaissance envers le pays et les hommes qui les ont accueilli sans restrictions et sans persécutions.
Je répondais, aussi précisément que possible (tu conçois ça ?), à des propos de GeorgesOz sur la perception d'Israël par certains Américains, peut-être serait-il d'ailleurs plus juste de parler d'Etatsuniens...
Comme d'habitude tu mélanges tout, rien, mais rien de rien, rien de rien de rien, à voir entre les sentiments que les juifs américains (tu tiens ça d'où d'ailleurs, c'est l'une des élaboration personnelles dont tu nous affliges régulièrement ici ou tu as des sources un peu sérieuses, pour une fois) nourrissent à l'égard des USA et ceux que certains (je ne suis pas sûre qu'ils soient si peu nombreux que tu le dis et en outre les fanatiques, acharnés à la réalisation de leur(s) objectif(s), sont souvent bien plus actifs, bien plus pressants, que les modérés) évangélistes américains nourrissent à l'égard des juifs.
...et je ne vois pas ce que la scatologie a à faire là-dedans! encore un retour en enfance!!!
Ah, ça te plaît "scatologie"... Encore une fois aucun lien entre "eschatos" et "skor".
Catherine
... mais tu te places uniquement du point de vue religieux des extrémistes évangélistes. Alors que pour la grande majorité des juifs américains il s'agit d'une question de reconnaissance envers le pays et les hommes qui les ont accueilli sans restrictions et sans persécutions.
Je répondais, aussi précisément que possible (tu conçois ça ?), à des propos de GeorgesOz sur la perception d'Israël par certains Américains, peut-être serait-il d'ailleurs plus juste de parler d'Etatsuniens...
Comme d'habitude tu mélanges tout, rien, mais rien de rien, rien de rien de rien, à voir entre les sentiments que les juifs américains (tu tiens ça d'où d'ailleurs, c'est l'une des élaboration personnelles dont tu nous affliges régulièrement ici ou tu as des sources un peu sérieuses, pour une fois) nourrissent à l'égard des USA et ceux que certains (je ne suis pas sûre qu'ils soient si peu nombreux que tu le dis et en outre les fanatiques, acharnés à la réalisation de leur(s) objectif(s), sont souvent bien plus actifs, bien plus pressants, que les modérés) évangélistes américains nourrissent à l'égard des juifs.
...et je ne vois pas ce que la scatologie a à faire là-dedans! encore un retour en enfance!!!
Ah, ça te plaît "scatologie"... Encore une fois aucun lien entre "eschatos" et "skor".
Catherine
Toutes les causes que tu cites plus haut, c'est ça :
"l'Amérique est la meilleure amie des luttes d'émancipation des femmes, des minorités sexuelles, des jeunes, de la reconnaissance ethnique et de la communication au-delà des frontières" ?
Quelques exemples :
Pour les femmes et les minorités ethniques, je te laisse compulser les statistiques (notamment celles des couloirs de la mort), et je rajoute cet article reprenant un rapport d'Amnesty International sur le traitement des Amérindiennes.
Pour les homosexuels, Les USA ont refusé de signer la déclaration de l'ONU pour la dépénalisation de l'homosexualité.
la "reconnaissance ethnique", c'est quoi, ça ? C'est ce qui permet de reconnaître plus facilement et de violer en toute tranquilité les femmes amérindiennes, car le risque de se retrouver au trou est moins important que si ça avait été une wasp ?
Quant à la communication, c'est vrai, ils ont des oreilles partout...
J'ai l'impression de chanter America en duo...et en boucle.
"l'Amérique est la meilleure amie des luttes d'émancipation des femmes, des minorités sexuelles, des jeunes, de la reconnaissance ethnique et de la communication au-delà des frontières" ?
Quelques exemples :
Pour les femmes et les minorités ethniques, je te laisse compulser les statistiques (notamment celles des couloirs de la mort), et je rajoute cet article reprenant un rapport d'Amnesty International sur le traitement des Amérindiennes.
Pour les homosexuels, Les USA ont refusé de signer la déclaration de l'ONU pour la dépénalisation de l'homosexualité.
la "reconnaissance ethnique", c'est quoi, ça ? C'est ce qui permet de reconnaître plus facilement et de violer en toute tranquilité les femmes amérindiennes, car le risque de se retrouver au trou est moins important que si ça avait été une wasp ?
Quant à la communication, c'est vrai, ils ont des oreilles partout...
J'ai l'impression de chanter America en duo...et en boucle.
...si ça n'est pas déjà fait n'hésite pas à voir le dernier film de Clint Eastwood "Gran Torino".
Un film intelligent, loin de la boîte à neuneu des clichés moralisateurs sur la différence dont on nous bassine ici.
Un acteur exceptionnel et un film américain de qualité de plus!
quand il sortira en DVD... (même pas eu le temps de lire le bouquin dont je t'avais promis un compte-rendu pour la fin février... alors sortir au ciné, t'imagines ?🙁)
Et pis, Clint, je le préfère jeune, avec sa chemise bleue, son cigarios dans le bec, et le tintintintintin...tintintin qui va avec... (j'l'avais pourtant déjà dit !)😏
Et pis, Clint, je le préfère jeune, avec sa chemise bleue, son cigarios dans le bec, et le tintintintintin...tintintin qui va avec... (j'l'avais pourtant déjà dit !)😏
Un film intelligent, loin de la boîte à neuneu des clichés moralisateurs sur la différence dont on nous bassine ici.
Un acteur exceptionnel et un film américain de qualité de plus!
J'adore Clint Eastwood et les films qu'il réalise... néanmoins, ce Torino n'est pas aussi grand que son titre... le film est lisse, prévisible et seul le final surprend... et le fait qu'on rit régulièrement durant le film.
En fait, je pense qu'il plait beaucoup aux journalistes Français qui l'encensent car justement il est très proche des clichés moralisateurs sur la différence dont on nous bassine ici.
C'est un bon film sans plus...
J'adore Clint Eastwood et les films qu'il réalise... néanmoins, ce Torino n'est pas aussi grand que son titre... le film est lisse, prévisible et seul le final surprend... et le fait qu'on rit régulièrement durant le film.
En fait, je pense qu'il plait beaucoup aux journalistes Français qui l'encensent car justement il est très proche des clichés moralisateurs sur la différence dont on nous bassine ici.
C'est un bon film sans plus...
Et pis, Clint, je le préfère jeune, avec sa chemise bleue, son cigarios dans le bec, et le tintintintintin...tintintin qui va avec... (j'l'avais pourtant déjà dit !)
C'est vrai qu'en blondin, il était beau !
C'est vrai qu'en blondin, il était beau !
Je suis encore etonnee de voir ce type de discussion apparaitre sur VF (c'est surtout la forme, meme si le fond ne vaut guere mieux); c'est un peu rapide de stigmatiser le monde en bons et mechants et d'en appeler a des "pourquoi detestez-vous autant les gens de telles ou telles nationalites?", d'autant plus quand les gens qui la lancent et/ou y participent n'ont jamais rencontres enormement de ces personnes, jamais visite le pays meme, ou meme jamais vecu dans le pays de ces gens pour pouvoir en parler.
Dans les pays du monde entier, chez les gens du monde entier, il y a des comportements et caracteristiques de crotte, comme des comportements et caracterisitiques appreciables. Et cela reste souvent tres subjectif.
Ce genre de discussions sur un forum de voyage, c'est a croire si voyager sert a quelque chose, si ce n'est faire des generalites.
Lilie
Dans les pays du monde entier, chez les gens du monde entier, il y a des comportements et caracteristiques de crotte, comme des comportements et caracterisitiques appreciables. Et cela reste souvent tres subjectif.
Ce genre de discussions sur un forum de voyage, c'est a croire si voyager sert a quelque chose, si ce n'est faire des generalites.
Lilie
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personne n'est obligée de participer à la discussion.
Les évangélistes me paraissent presque sympathiques ! ( c'est une boutade)
je voulais parler des évangéliques fondamentalistes ( et non évangélistes, n'étant pas le seul à faire la confusion). Fin de l'aparté et de mon hors-sujet.
Les évangélistes me paraissent presque sympathiques ! ( c'est une boutade)
je voulais parler des évangéliques fondamentalistes ( et non évangélistes, n'étant pas le seul à faire la confusion). Fin de l'aparté et de mon hors-sujet.
Dans les pays du monde entier, chez les gens du monde entier, il y a des comportements et caracteristiques de crotte, comme des comportements et caracterisitiques appreciables. Et cela reste souvent tres subjectif.--
Lilie,
Nous sommes plusieurs dans cette discussion, y compris Willie lui-meme, j' en suis sur, a etre du meme avis que toi. Est-ce que ca empeche la question de depart? Non, parceque nous savons bien qu' il y a des attitudes intrigantes. Nous ne les aimons peut-etre pas beaucoup, ces atiitudes, mais elles existent.
Il faut reconnaitre a Willie d' avoir su popser cette question. Il est mois facile, maintenant que nous avons le phenomene Obama, de ne voir (pour certains) les USA que sous sa forme "Ku Klux Klan". Et il n' y a pas le moindre doute que c' est l' une des questions, et discussions, les plus essentielles du moment - crise etc.....
Les choses ne sont pas simples. Mon voisin qui est Texan et Republican a vote pour Obama. Beaucoup d' americains se posent des questions!
Personnellement, je reconnais l' apport culturel enorme des USA (et de toutes les merdes que ce pays a generees). Ce qui me deplait, c' est le manque de leadership flagrant de la part d' un grans pays. Refus de signer Kyoto. Insistance pour garder a l' ecart son personnel militaire de toutes poursuites judiciaires internationales. Meconnaissance grave des realites au Moyen Orient ou pourtant ils se permettent depuis longtemps (pas seulement depuis l' Iraq, qu' on pense a l' affaire Mossadegh de 1953 par exemple) de jouer des coudes - facon de parler. Il est facile de voir pourquoi beaucoup dans le monde parlent des USA comme d' un pays arrogan, ignorant, naif etc.... Ca ne resume pas les centaines de millions d' individus du pays, mais ca explique certains ressentiments dans le monde.
Nous sommes plusieurs dans cette discussion, y compris Willie lui-meme, j' en suis sur, a etre du meme avis que toi. Est-ce que ca empeche la question de depart? Non, parceque nous savons bien qu' il y a des attitudes intrigantes. Nous ne les aimons peut-etre pas beaucoup, ces atiitudes, mais elles existent.
Il faut reconnaitre a Willie d' avoir su popser cette question. Il est mois facile, maintenant que nous avons le phenomene Obama, de ne voir (pour certains) les USA que sous sa forme "Ku Klux Klan". Et il n' y a pas le moindre doute que c' est l' une des questions, et discussions, les plus essentielles du moment - crise etc.....
Les choses ne sont pas simples. Mon voisin qui est Texan et Republican a vote pour Obama. Beaucoup d' americains se posent des questions!
Personnellement, je reconnais l' apport culturel enorme des USA (et de toutes les merdes que ce pays a generees). Ce qui me deplait, c' est le manque de leadership flagrant de la part d' un grans pays. Refus de signer Kyoto. Insistance pour garder a l' ecart son personnel militaire de toutes poursuites judiciaires internationales. Meconnaissance grave des realites au Moyen Orient ou pourtant ils se permettent depuis longtemps (pas seulement depuis l' Iraq, qu' on pense a l' affaire Mossadegh de 1953 par exemple) de jouer des coudes - facon de parler. Il est facile de voir pourquoi beaucoup dans le monde parlent des USA comme d' un pays arrogan, ignorant, naif etc.... Ca ne resume pas les centaines de millions d' individus du pays, mais ca explique certains ressentiments dans le monde.
désolée de revenir sur du hors sujet..... Amhed ou Bemba, bien que francais, soit elu president en france, il devra se passer bien d'autres revolutions
La veritable revolution serait que Amhed ou Bemba expriment une adhesion sans failles a la laicite et aux lois de la republique
Il faut arrêter de lire des journaux à sensation et arrêter de gober tout cru ce que vous disent les journaux télévisés : il existe de nombreux français d'origine étrangère qui respectent les lois de la république (parfois bien plus que certaisn français de souche) ou la laïcité ...encore le genre de propos imbécile qui prouve que notre société a encore un long chemin à parcourir....
La veritable revolution serait que Amhed ou Bemba expriment une adhesion sans failles a la laicite et aux lois de la republique
Il faut arrêter de lire des journaux à sensation et arrêter de gober tout cru ce que vous disent les journaux télévisés : il existe de nombreux français d'origine étrangère qui respectent les lois de la république (parfois bien plus que certaisn français de souche) ou la laïcité ...encore le genre de propos imbécile qui prouve que notre société a encore un long chemin à parcourir....
salut, tu as raison de réagir😏, mais je ne crois pas que Geob ai voulu exprimer les choses ainsi, et jeter l'opprobre sur une catégorie de français
il parle des leaders politiques noirs par exemple qui pour accéder aux plus hautes fonctions doivent tenir des propos unificateurs et fédérateurs comme l'a fait Obama aux USA, et non tenir des propos racistes et haineux comme Elie Domota le leader du LKP guadeloupéen vient de le faire récemment 🤪
Les comportements racistes quels qu'ils soient n'ont de place nulle part, enfin ne devraient avoir de place nulle part....mais malheureusement comme je le disai plus tot la route est longue....🤪Par contre je ne suis pas certaine que les propos de Geob ne jetaient pas l'opprobe sur une partie de français..... à lui de s'expliquer si je ne l'ai pas compris....
(protestants) se placent dans une perspective eschatologique...
Ah ? Je ne savais pas que les protestants se placent dans une perspective de fin du monde ! Et le retour en Israel suppose un certain comportement de...ouh la ! J'y comprends rien ! Fin des temps, retour en Israel...Trop complique pour moi ! Mais se serait interessant d'avoir une explication sur ce sujet, l'histoire des religions n'est pas a negliger !
Ah ? Je ne savais pas que les protestants se placent dans une perspective de fin du monde ! Et le retour en Israel suppose un certain comportement de...ouh la ! J'y comprends rien ! Fin des temps, retour en Israel...Trop complique pour moi ! Mais se serait interessant d'avoir une explication sur ce sujet, l'histoire des religions n'est pas a negliger !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
encore le genre de propos imbecile
Vous traitez mon propos d'imbecile, Or, c'est moi qui l'a ecrit Donc, je suis un imbecile ! Je ne vous en veux pas, bien au contraire, car vous me permettez de realisez le reve de Courteline !😎
Le probleme de la laicite est un probleme politique due a la peur du personnel politique d'appliquer les lois de la republique. Une fermete sans faille rendrait la vie plus facile a tout le monde. Malheureusement, ce n'est pas le cas. Roubaix est devenue une ville avec 60% de musulmans qui n'arretent pas de vouloir imposer leurs facons de voir la vie en societe, en demandant par exemple la fermeture d'une piscine pour que, dans une tranche horaire precise, les femmes musulmanes peuvent aller se baigner. je trouve ceci ahurisant ! Ce n'est pas a la societe republicaine et laique de s'adapter aux desiderata d'une communaute, puisqu'elle s'erige en communaute, mais a celle ci de s'adapter aux coutumes de la dite societe. Egalite de tous ? Dans mon milieu professionnel, la fonction publique, mes collegues musulmans avaient droit a deux jours de conges supplementaires, en plus des jours ferries...catholiques ! Ou se trouve l'equite de chaque citoyen alors qu'une parite d'entre eux, de fait, benificiaient d'un traitement de faveur. Puisque ces jours feries font parti de l'histoire et de la tradition de notre pays, il est normal que tous les citoyens en benificient mais, comme la fonction publique est, et doit etre, neutre, laique, il est anormal d'accorder des jours supplementaires de conge a une partie des francais ! Et j'ai fini par protester et demontrer l'absurdite de ce systeme en demandant a beneficier d'un jour de conge pour la fete internationnale bouddhiste qui a lieu chaque annee de par le monde. Et je l'ai obtenue ! Et c'est un collegue musulman qui m'en avait souffle l'idee ! Que des jeunes francais sifflent la , l'hymne national de leur propre pays, oui, ca me desole ! Je vu passer plusieurs fois les manifs de lyceens (le precedent conflit). A chaque fois, j'ai vu des jeunes manifester en arborant le drapeau algerien, etd'autres pays du magrheb...oui, ca me desole, mais, ce qui me desole encore plus c'est que leurs camarades metropolitains trouvent ca sympa, super cool ! Oui, tous les problemes lies a la laicite, aux respects des lois de la republique decoulent du manque de courage de la classe politique de notre pays !
Vous traitez mon propos d'imbecile, Or, c'est moi qui l'a ecrit Donc, je suis un imbecile ! Je ne vous en veux pas, bien au contraire, car vous me permettez de realisez le reve de Courteline !😎
Le probleme de la laicite est un probleme politique due a la peur du personnel politique d'appliquer les lois de la republique. Une fermete sans faille rendrait la vie plus facile a tout le monde. Malheureusement, ce n'est pas le cas. Roubaix est devenue une ville avec 60% de musulmans qui n'arretent pas de vouloir imposer leurs facons de voir la vie en societe, en demandant par exemple la fermeture d'une piscine pour que, dans une tranche horaire precise, les femmes musulmanes peuvent aller se baigner. je trouve ceci ahurisant ! Ce n'est pas a la societe republicaine et laique de s'adapter aux desiderata d'une communaute, puisqu'elle s'erige en communaute, mais a celle ci de s'adapter aux coutumes de la dite societe. Egalite de tous ? Dans mon milieu professionnel, la fonction publique, mes collegues musulmans avaient droit a deux jours de conges supplementaires, en plus des jours ferries...catholiques ! Ou se trouve l'equite de chaque citoyen alors qu'une parite d'entre eux, de fait, benificiaient d'un traitement de faveur. Puisque ces jours feries font parti de l'histoire et de la tradition de notre pays, il est normal que tous les citoyens en benificient mais, comme la fonction publique est, et doit etre, neutre, laique, il est anormal d'accorder des jours supplementaires de conge a une partie des francais ! Et j'ai fini par protester et demontrer l'absurdite de ce systeme en demandant a beneficier d'un jour de conge pour la fete internationnale bouddhiste qui a lieu chaque annee de par le monde. Et je l'ai obtenue ! Et c'est un collegue musulman qui m'en avait souffle l'idee ! Que des jeunes francais sifflent la , l'hymne national de leur propre pays, oui, ca me desole ! Je vu passer plusieurs fois les manifs de lyceens (le precedent conflit). A chaque fois, j'ai vu des jeunes manifester en arborant le drapeau algerien, etd'autres pays du magrheb...oui, ca me desole, mais, ce qui me desole encore plus c'est que leurs camarades metropolitains trouvent ca sympa, super cool ! Oui, tous les problemes lies a la laicite, aux respects des lois de la republique decoulent du manque de courage de la classe politique de notre pays !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Bonsoir,
J'avais "eu vent" de cette histoire en lisant un article dans lequel Amos Oz (je crois) y faisait allusion, témoignant d'une certaine irritation, mais je ne suis en rien versée dans la théologie évangélique...
Si tu fais une recherche sur la toile, tu trouves sur le sujet de pleines pages, celles-ci par exemple, qui m'a l'air tout à fait sérieuse (pas mal de truc manifestement farfelus dans les sites qui "sortent") : http://www.cairn.info/...ARTICLE=HER_119_0041
On est assez loin de la vision williamesque des relations entre les deux communautés...
Catherine
J'avais "eu vent" de cette histoire en lisant un article dans lequel Amos Oz (je crois) y faisait allusion, témoignant d'une certaine irritation, mais je ne suis en rien versée dans la théologie évangélique...
Si tu fais une recherche sur la toile, tu trouves sur le sujet de pleines pages, celles-ci par exemple, qui m'a l'air tout à fait sérieuse (pas mal de truc manifestement farfelus dans les sites qui "sortent") : http://www.cairn.info/...ARTICLE=HER_119_0041
On est assez loin de la vision williamesque des relations entre les deux communautés...
Catherine
Salut Lilie,
"Ce genre de discussions sur un forum de voyage, c'est a croire si voyager sert a quelque chose, si ce n'est faire des generalites. "
Ouais, d'autre part quand on pense à l'attentat sur la discussion qui s'est faite bomber par qqs "irréductibles gaulois" (je sais plus le titre, car j'avais arreter de la lire)... sur les attitudes par rapport à la mendicité en voyage, question que l'on rencontre tous un jour ici ou là, donc bien en rapport celle là avec les "pensées et réflexions" en voyage ...
"Ce genre de discussions sur un forum de voyage, c'est a croire si voyager sert a quelque chose, si ce n'est faire des generalites. "
Ouais, d'autre part quand on pense à l'attentat sur la discussion qui s'est faite bomber par qqs "irréductibles gaulois" (je sais plus le titre, car j'avais arreter de la lire)... sur les attitudes par rapport à la mendicité en voyage, question que l'on rencontre tous un jour ici ou là, donc bien en rapport celle là avec les "pensées et réflexions" en voyage ...
Choucarde
"Ouais, d'autre part quand on pense à l'attentat sur la discussion qui s'est faite bomber par qqs "irréductibles gaulois" (je sais plus le titre, car j'avais arreter de la lire)... sur les attitudes par rapport à la mendicité en voyage, question que l'on rencontre tous un jour ici ou là, donc bien en rapport celle là avec les "pensées et réflexions" en voyage ..."
Qu'est-ce que vous voulez dire ? Ou je suis fatigué, ou c'est confus ; ou les deux.
Michel
Qu'est-ce que vous voulez dire ? Ou je suis fatigué, ou c'est confus ; ou les deux.
Michel
Bonjour Geob,
Je fais un court hors sujet en réaction à votre message.
La laïcité, il me semble, repose sur le fait de ne reconnaître aucune religion afin de les respecter toutes.
Or, dans un pays laïc comme le nôtre, dans lequel bon nombre de jours fériés sont des fêtes catholiques, il n’y aurait rien de choquant à ce qu’il y ait un jour férié pour l’aïd el-kebir par exemple. Dans un pays laïc, décider de reconnaître les fêtes catholiques au détriment d’autres déclenche logiquement des réactions comme celles que vous énoncez plus haut et qui vous choque (votre collègue musulman ayant obtenu 2 jours fériés).
Je fais un court hors sujet en réaction à votre message.
La laïcité, il me semble, repose sur le fait de ne reconnaître aucune religion afin de les respecter toutes.
Or, dans un pays laïc comme le nôtre, dans lequel bon nombre de jours fériés sont des fêtes catholiques, il n’y aurait rien de choquant à ce qu’il y ait un jour férié pour l’aïd el-kebir par exemple. Dans un pays laïc, décider de reconnaître les fêtes catholiques au détriment d’autres déclenche logiquement des réactions comme celles que vous énoncez plus haut et qui vous choque (votre collègue musulman ayant obtenu 2 jours fériés).
"Quand le bûcheron entra dans la forêt, les arbres regardèrent la hache.
L'un d'eux dit aux autres: "ne soyons pas inquiets, le manche est des nôtres". D'après Pierre Marchand.
bonjour,
attention aux confusions !
"La laïcité, il me semble, repose sur le fait de ne reconnaître aucune religion afin de les respecter toutes."
Non, c'est refuser de donner à une religion/ pensée philosophique ou autre un statut particulier qui la plaçerait au-dessus des autres (religion d'Etat ou religion de la majorité), renvoyer les religions et croyances dans la sphère privée pour garantir l'indépendance du politique, la liberté de conscience et d'expression de tous.
Ce n'est pas du tout pareil.
attention aux confusions !
"La laïcité, il me semble, repose sur le fait de ne reconnaître aucune religion afin de les respecter toutes."
Non, c'est refuser de donner à une religion/ pensée philosophique ou autre un statut particulier qui la plaçerait au-dessus des autres (religion d'Etat ou religion de la majorité), renvoyer les religions et croyances dans la sphère privée pour garantir l'indépendance du politique, la liberté de conscience et d'expression de tous.
Ce n'est pas du tout pareil.
Bonjour KelEssuf,
"Non, c'est refuser de donner à une religion/ pensée philosophique ou autre un statut particulier qui la plaçerait au-dessus des autres (religion d'Etat ou religion de la majorité)"
Accorder des jours fériés pour les fêtes catholiques au détriment des autres religions présentes dans le pays, n'est-ce pas le début d'un "statut particulier qui la placerait au dessus des autres"?
"Non, c'est refuser de donner à une religion/ pensée philosophique ou autre un statut particulier qui la plaçerait au-dessus des autres (religion d'Etat ou religion de la majorité)"
Accorder des jours fériés pour les fêtes catholiques au détriment des autres religions présentes dans le pays, n'est-ce pas le début d'un "statut particulier qui la placerait au dessus des autres"?
"Quand le bûcheron entra dans la forêt, les arbres regardèrent la hache.
L'un d'eux dit aux autres: "ne soyons pas inquiets, le manche est des nôtres". D'après Pierre Marchand.
re,
je reprenais ta définition d'un Etat laïque, pas la question des jours fériés...
"Accorder des jours fériés pour les fêtes catholiques au détriment des autres religions présentes dans le pays, n'est-ce pas le début d'un "statut particulier qui la placerait au dessus des autres"? "
Non, c'est continuer 😏.
Maintenant, il faut se poser la question de savoir si ce sont encore des jours fériés catholiques ou à connotation religieuse. Vu les pratiques religieuses en France, j'aurais tendance à considérer ces jours comme assez déconnectés de toute question religieuse, mais bon.
On fait quoi ? On rajoute à tout le monde les jours fériés correspondant à toutes les consciences ? On les supprime tous ? On les supprime et on en crée d'autres, parfaitement laïques, mais lesquelles ? Je te raconte pas le bazar ! Mais pourquoi pas ?
Honnêtement, tant qu'on ne m'en enlève pas, je m'en fiche de savoir si tel jour est férié pour Pâques, l'Aïd ou Pourim (tiens, c'est aujourd'hui). Pour un pratiquant, c'est sans doute différent, mais je n'ai jamais entendu quiconque râler.
je reprenais ta définition d'un Etat laïque, pas la question des jours fériés...
"Accorder des jours fériés pour les fêtes catholiques au détriment des autres religions présentes dans le pays, n'est-ce pas le début d'un "statut particulier qui la placerait au dessus des autres"? "
Non, c'est continuer 😏.
Maintenant, il faut se poser la question de savoir si ce sont encore des jours fériés catholiques ou à connotation religieuse. Vu les pratiques religieuses en France, j'aurais tendance à considérer ces jours comme assez déconnectés de toute question religieuse, mais bon.
On fait quoi ? On rajoute à tout le monde les jours fériés correspondant à toutes les consciences ? On les supprime tous ? On les supprime et on en crée d'autres, parfaitement laïques, mais lesquelles ? Je te raconte pas le bazar ! Mais pourquoi pas ?
Honnêtement, tant qu'on ne m'en enlève pas, je m'en fiche de savoir si tel jour est férié pour Pâques, l'Aïd ou Pourim (tiens, c'est aujourd'hui). Pour un pratiquant, c'est sans doute différent, mais je n'ai jamais entendu quiconque râler.
...bon nombre de jours feries sont des fetes catholiques...
Et comme je l'ai ecris plus haut, elles font parties des traditions de notre pays, de notre patrimoine commun, et il est donc normal que tous les francais en beneficient. Un jour ferie pour l'aid el-kebir? Mais non ! Cela fait pas parti de notre histoire, de notre patrimoine, de nos traditions. De fait, mon collegue beneficiait d'un jour de conge pour cette fete...et lui seul ! Vous saisissez la difference, l'inegalite de traitement ? Je repete : les jours feries qui recouvrent les fetes catholiques sont devenues des traditions qui font parties de notre patrimoine !
Et comme je l'ai ecris plus haut, elles font parties des traditions de notre pays, de notre patrimoine commun, et il est donc normal que tous les francais en beneficient. Un jour ferie pour l'aid el-kebir? Mais non ! Cela fait pas parti de notre histoire, de notre patrimoine, de nos traditions. De fait, mon collegue beneficiait d'un jour de conge pour cette fete...et lui seul ! Vous saisissez la difference, l'inegalite de traitement ? Je repete : les jours feries qui recouvrent les fetes catholiques sont devenues des traditions qui font parties de notre patrimoine !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
"On les supprime et on en crée d'autres, parfaitement laïques, "
oh oui, ça ça me plairait! 🙂
"mais lesquelles ?" à méditer...
"Je te raconte pas le bazar !" C'est clair😄
Ceci étant dit, rien de spécifique à la France. Pour recoller au sujet initial, j'ai toujours été tout autant frappé par le "in god we trust" sur les billets de banque américain, et sur le fait qu'ils jurent sur la bible (même si je crois qu'on peut quand même jurer sur la constitution américaine si on le souhaite...)
p.s: merci pour la correction d'orthographe, je réalise que j'écorche le mot laïque depuis des années 😊 (on me l'aurait mal appris à l'école? faut dire que j'ai appris à écrire chez les religieuses 😄😄)
"mais lesquelles ?" à méditer...
"Je te raconte pas le bazar !" C'est clair😄
Ceci étant dit, rien de spécifique à la France. Pour recoller au sujet initial, j'ai toujours été tout autant frappé par le "in god we trust" sur les billets de banque américain, et sur le fait qu'ils jurent sur la bible (même si je crois qu'on peut quand même jurer sur la constitution américaine si on le souhaite...)
p.s: merci pour la correction d'orthographe, je réalise que j'écorche le mot laïque depuis des années 😊 (on me l'aurait mal appris à l'école? faut dire que j'ai appris à écrire chez les religieuses 😄😄)
"Quand le bûcheron entra dans la forêt, les arbres regardèrent la hache.
L'un d'eux dit aux autres: "ne soyons pas inquiets, le manche est des nôtres". D'après Pierre Marchand.
oui mais tout cela date bien d'avant la république laïque.... lorsque l'église faisait partie de l'état.
Pourquoi n'y a t il pas de jours fériés pour les fêtes juives, la religion juive est bien présente en France et pratiquée par des français. Donc, les jours fériés religieux, tant mieux pour nous, puisqu'ils nous permettent de nous reposer sont bien une entorse à la laïcité tant revendiquée dans notre pays.
Dernière chose, arrêtons de focaliser sur la religion musulmane, cela devient vraiment lourd.... la religion catholique n'a rien à lui envier (voire l'histoire de la gamine de 9 ans violée et avortée au Brésil, ou l'affaire des 4 prêtres négationistes ....) tant que la religion n'empiète pas sur notre domaine public, ce qui est souvent le cas de la religion catholique, dont on nous rebat les oreilles bien souvent dans les journaux télévisés des chaînes publiques.
Donc laïcité oui, mais commençons par l'appliquer à nous mêmes !
Pourquoi n'y a t il pas de jours fériés pour les fêtes juives, la religion juive est bien présente en France et pratiquée par des français. Donc, les jours fériés religieux, tant mieux pour nous, puisqu'ils nous permettent de nous reposer sont bien une entorse à la laïcité tant revendiquée dans notre pays.
Dernière chose, arrêtons de focaliser sur la religion musulmane, cela devient vraiment lourd.... la religion catholique n'a rien à lui envier (voire l'histoire de la gamine de 9 ans violée et avortée au Brésil, ou l'affaire des 4 prêtres négationistes ....) tant que la religion n'empiète pas sur notre domaine public, ce qui est souvent le cas de la religion catholique, dont on nous rebat les oreilles bien souvent dans les journaux télévisés des chaînes publiques.
Donc laïcité oui, mais commençons par l'appliquer à nous mêmes !
"Et comme je l'ai ecris plus haut, elles font parties des traditions de notre pays, de notre patrimoine commun, et il est donc normal que tous les francais en beneficient."
Je ne dis pas le contraire. Même si je m'en sens très éloignée.
"Un jour ferie pour l'aid el-kebir? Mais non ! Cela fait pas parti de notre histoire, de notre patrimoine, de nos traditions." . "Je repete : les jours feries qui recouvrent les fetes catholiques sont devenues des traditions qui font parties de notre patrimoine ! "
Mais les traditions ne sont pas immuables. Elles évoluent en même temps que la société évolue. À ce titre, un jour férié pour l'aïd el-kebir (ou un autre, ce n'était qu'un exemple) ne me paraît pas déplacé.
"De fait, mon collegue beneficiait d'un jour de conge pour cette fete...et lui seul ! Vous saisissez la difference, l'inegalite de traitement ?"
Bien sûr. La question que KelEssuf me posait plus haut, à savoir devrions-nous en remplacer une par une autre me paraît loin d'être absurde.
p.s: pardon pardon KelEssuff, en relisant ton dernier message je réalise que je te prête une question que tu ne m'as pas posé. La tienne était légèrement différente et je l'ai déformé.
Je ne dis pas le contraire. Même si je m'en sens très éloignée.
"Un jour ferie pour l'aid el-kebir? Mais non ! Cela fait pas parti de notre histoire, de notre patrimoine, de nos traditions." . "Je repete : les jours feries qui recouvrent les fetes catholiques sont devenues des traditions qui font parties de notre patrimoine ! "
Mais les traditions ne sont pas immuables. Elles évoluent en même temps que la société évolue. À ce titre, un jour férié pour l'aïd el-kebir (ou un autre, ce n'était qu'un exemple) ne me paraît pas déplacé.
"De fait, mon collegue beneficiait d'un jour de conge pour cette fete...et lui seul ! Vous saisissez la difference, l'inegalite de traitement ?"
Bien sûr. La question que KelEssuf me posait plus haut, à savoir devrions-nous en remplacer une par une autre me paraît loin d'être absurde.
p.s: pardon pardon KelEssuff, en relisant ton dernier message je réalise que je te prête une question que tu ne m'as pas posé. La tienne était légèrement différente et je l'ai déformé.
"Quand le bûcheron entra dans la forêt, les arbres regardèrent la hache.
L'un d'eux dit aux autres: "ne soyons pas inquiets, le manche est des nôtres". D'après Pierre Marchand.
Quelle est l'institution qui a traverse l'histoire et les modes, et qui est toujours presente : L'Eglise catholique ! Cette institution dit sa doctrine qui est le socle sur laquelle elle s'est construite. Dans ce monde du zapping, de la consommation, de la recherche permanente de la gratification et du bonheur, l'Eglise catholique apparait donc comme une incongruite, une empecheuse de danser en rond, mais elle sera toujours la quand les modes auront des milliers de fois changee !
Si l'eglise s'etait adaptee a tous les changements de la societe, a toutes les modes, elle aurait disparue depuis belle lurette !
C'etait juste un constat.
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Je vous rappelle que le titre de ce post est "Les Américains", alors que venez-vous faire ici à parler de la France ? Vous ne semblez être là que pour vous écouter écrire, c'est à qui remportera la palme de l'autosatisfaction ! C'est hallucinant !
Donc pour en revenir au sujet, je dirai simplement que les Américains que j'ai pu rencontrer ne sont ni pires ni mieux que n'importe quels autres habitants d'autres pays. Quelque soit l'endroit de la planète où nous nous trouvons il y a des gens sympas, ouverts, intelligents, cultivés (y compris aux Etats Unis) et aussi des très cons !!
Dolma
Donc pour en revenir au sujet, je dirai simplement que les Américains que j'ai pu rencontrer ne sont ni pires ni mieux que n'importe quels autres habitants d'autres pays. Quelque soit l'endroit de la planète où nous nous trouvons il y a des gens sympas, ouverts, intelligents, cultivés (y compris aux Etats Unis) et aussi des très cons !!
Dolma
un chemin et la caresse du vent, alors je pars en voyage...
en réponse à :"la religion catholique n'a rien à lui envier (voire l'histoire de la gamine de 9 ans violée et avortée au Brésil, ou l'affaire des 4 prêtres négationistes ....) tant que la religion n'empiète pas sur notre domaine public, ce qui est souvent le cas de la religion catholique"Je vous en prie ma fille tempérez vos ardeurs contre la Sainte Mère l'Eglise🙁 celle-ci est présente lorsque nous sommes si souvent défaillants : l'Abbé Pierre, Mère Thérésa etc... et au Brésil Don Helder Camara
Spirito Santo, padre e il figlio...
C'est aussi une différence entre la société américaine et nous. Aux USA ce sont les oeuvres de solidarité des églises qui s'occupent des plus démunis. En France, des réseaux de solidarité étatique ont été mis en place dans un esprit égalitaire. Je préfère pour ma part notre système, mais il est incomplet. Sur le plan humain, la froideur de l'administration qui envoie ses subsides ne peut remplacer un regard amical ou la chaleur d'une main fraternelle. 😇
" Sur le plan humain, la froideur de l'administration qui envoie ses subsides ne peut remplacer un regard amical ou la chaleur d'une main fraternelle. "
Comme disait l'autre, “l’instituteur ne pourra jamais remplacer le curé ou le pasteur”. 😏 On a déjà entendu ça quelque part.
Michel
Comme disait l'autre, “l’instituteur ne pourra jamais remplacer le curé ou le pasteur”. 😏 On a déjà entendu ça quelque part.
Michel
Ce n'est pas tellement les etats uniens que l'on n'aime pas mais leurs dirigeants, car c'est eux qui prennent les decisions qui nous derangent.
A une epoque, juste avant la guerre du Viet Nam ou au tout debut, on adorait Kennedy;peut etre plus pour sa jeunesse que pour sa politique et apres un certain jour a Dallas il c'est ensuivi une desescalade d'estime.
Jusqu'a aujourd'hui ou avec un nouveau president la tendance s'inverse.Peut etre le fait qu'il soit noir a aider a se renversement.
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bonjour,
et tant pis si c'est hors-sujet...
L'Eglise est une institution. Constituée d'hommes. Certains ont décidé de vivre hors du monde, d'autres dans le siècle.
Et ont retrouve dans l'Eglise les mêmes clivages qu'ailleurs : des progressistes, des réactionnaires, ceux qui sont pour le dialogue, ceux qui le refusent, etc.
L'Eglise a cherché parfois à s'adapter à l'air du temps ; parfois non.
"Si l'eglise s'etait adaptee a tous les changements de la societe, a toutes les modes, elle aurait disparue depuis belle lurette ! "
Vos propos sont dans la droite ligne du courant traditionnaliste, voire intégriste, qui domine à la curie romaine. Cela me fait penser aux propos du théologien Hans Küng, recueillis dernièrement par Le Monde et d'autres médias européens :
"C'est un peu la ligne des intégristes, qui estiment que, même si l'Eglise perd beaucoup de ses fidèles , il y aura au final une Eglise élitiste, formée de "vrais" catholiques.(...) L'Eglise risque de devenir une secte"
C'est juste un constat aussi...
Quant à considérer les fêtes catholiques comme faisant partie du patrimoine... Bof, bof.
et tant pis si c'est hors-sujet...
L'Eglise est une institution. Constituée d'hommes. Certains ont décidé de vivre hors du monde, d'autres dans le siècle.
Et ont retrouve dans l'Eglise les mêmes clivages qu'ailleurs : des progressistes, des réactionnaires, ceux qui sont pour le dialogue, ceux qui le refusent, etc.
L'Eglise a cherché parfois à s'adapter à l'air du temps ; parfois non.
"Si l'eglise s'etait adaptee a tous les changements de la societe, a toutes les modes, elle aurait disparue depuis belle lurette ! "
Vos propos sont dans la droite ligne du courant traditionnaliste, voire intégriste, qui domine à la curie romaine. Cela me fait penser aux propos du théologien Hans Küng, recueillis dernièrement par Le Monde et d'autres médias européens :
"C'est un peu la ligne des intégristes, qui estiment que, même si l'Eglise perd beaucoup de ses fidèles , il y aura au final une Eglise élitiste, formée de "vrais" catholiques.(...) L'Eglise risque de devenir une secte"
C'est juste un constat aussi...
Quant à considérer les fêtes catholiques comme faisant partie du patrimoine... Bof, bof.
en réponse à "Comme disait l'autre, “l’instituteur ne pourra jamais remplacer le curé ou le pasteur”.
On a déjà entendu ça quelque part."
Ce que je voulais dire, c'est que je ne crois pas qu'un système soit supérieur à l'autre dans son principe, mais c'est l'exemplarité de son application qui fait la différence. Ainsi les démocraties anglaise et américaine ne sont pas inférieures à la notre sous prétexte qu'on y trouve des références à Dieu. D'autre part, une société aussi croyante que la société américaine a dès son origine constitutionnelle au XVIIIè siècle, adoptée la séparation entre l'Eglise et l'Etat. Enfin si on compare la Sainte Trinité chrétienne : "le Père, le Fils, et le Saint Esprit" avec le triptyque républicain "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" on trouve au moins 1 point commun sur le troisième précepte de chacun. Le "Saint Esprit" demande un effort de compréhension pour le chrétien et la "Fraternité" demande un effort d'application pour le citoyen, car sans cela les autres idéaux ne sont rien.
Ce que je voulais dire, c'est que je ne crois pas qu'un système soit supérieur à l'autre dans son principe, mais c'est l'exemplarité de son application qui fait la différence. Ainsi les démocraties anglaise et américaine ne sont pas inférieures à la notre sous prétexte qu'on y trouve des références à Dieu. D'autre part, une société aussi croyante que la société américaine a dès son origine constitutionnelle au XVIIIè siècle, adoptée la séparation entre l'Eglise et l'Etat. Enfin si on compare la Sainte Trinité chrétienne : "le Père, le Fils, et le Saint Esprit" avec le triptyque républicain "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" on trouve au moins 1 point commun sur le troisième précepte de chacun. Le "Saint Esprit" demande un effort de compréhension pour le chrétien et la "Fraternité" demande un effort d'application pour le citoyen, car sans cela les autres idéaux ne sont rien.
Et comme je l'ai ecris plus haut, elles font parties des traditions de notre pays, de notre patrimoine commun, et il est donc normal que tous les francais en beneficient. Un jour ferie pour l'aid el-kebir? Mais non ! Cela fait pas parti de notre histoire, de notre patrimoine, de nos traditions. De fait, mon collegue beneficiait d'un jour de conge pour cette fete...et lui seul ! Vous saisissez la difference, l'inegalite de traitement ? Je repete : les jours feries qui recouvrent les fetes catholiques sont devenues des traditions qui font parties de notre patrimoine !
L'histoire c'est quelque chose en mouvement, qui s'écrit au fil du temps ! Les traditions et le patrimoine s'enrichissent au fil des siècles et des échanges migratoires. Où est le problème de gagner des jours en plus pour la fête en famille plutôt que d'aller travailler ? Si ya un truc triste pour les américains c'est bien qu'ils n'ont beaucoup de vacances.
...Dans un topic consacré aux américains, parler de Dieu et des églises n'est pas hors-sujet😏
c'est l'effet williamson.....
c'est l'effet williamson.....
Je n'ai pas lu la suite de la discussion, et tu as dû recevoir déjà pas mal de réponses à ton challenge, mais je ne peux pas résister. Vercingétorix, avec Christophe Lambert. C'est cadeau ! Une bonne partie des Alain Delon aussi, pis pourquoi pas tous ces films méconnus, chefs d'oeuvre d'imbécilité de la propagande communiste en Europe Centrale ? Ah mais si, c'est l'Europe pourtant...
Je précise que je te réponds en plaisantant, je me m'immisce pas dans la polémique qui risque d'être houleuse au fil des réponses.
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
L'histoire c'est quelque chose en mouvement, qui s'écrit au fil du temps ! Les traditions et le patrimoine s'enrichissent au fil des siècles et des échanges migratoires.
Je ne pense pas que le voile pour les femmes musulmanes soient un enrichissement pour la France et son histoire. Et il ne s'agit pas là de phénomènes marginaux.
Où est le problème de gagner des jours en plus pour la fête en famille plutôt que d'aller travailler ? Si ya un truc triste pour les américains c'est bien qu'ils n'ont beaucoup de vacances.
Bien qu'étant Catholique pratiquant, je suis favorable à la suppression de tous les jours fériés à remplacer par 5 jours, aux choix, à prendre en fonction de ses convictions (chrétien, musulman, juif, laïc, ...).
Je ne pense pas que le voile pour les femmes musulmanes soient un enrichissement pour la France et son histoire. Et il ne s'agit pas là de phénomènes marginaux.
Où est le problème de gagner des jours en plus pour la fête en famille plutôt que d'aller travailler ? Si ya un truc triste pour les américains c'est bien qu'ils n'ont beaucoup de vacances.
Bien qu'étant Catholique pratiquant, je suis favorable à la suppression de tous les jours fériés à remplacer par 5 jours, aux choix, à prendre en fonction de ses convictions (chrétien, musulman, juif, laïc, ...).
Bonjour,
"Je ne pense pas que le voile pour les femmes musulmanes soient un enrichissement pour la France et son histoire."
L'enrichissement, c'est la diversité.
"Bien qu'étant Catholique pratiquant, je suis favorable à la suppression de tous les jours fériés à remplacer par 5 jours, aux choix, à prendre en fonction de ses convictions (chrétien, musulman, juif, laïc, ...)."
Et pour les écoles tu fais comment ?
Michel
"Je ne pense pas que le voile pour les femmes musulmanes soient un enrichissement pour la France et son histoire."
L'enrichissement, c'est la diversité.
"Bien qu'étant Catholique pratiquant, je suis favorable à la suppression de tous les jours fériés à remplacer par 5 jours, aux choix, à prendre en fonction de ses convictions (chrétien, musulman, juif, laïc, ...)."
Et pour les écoles tu fais comment ?
Michel
Je n'ai pas vu beaucoup de diversité dans les voiles (noires) des femmes musulmanes...
Pour les écoles, que veux-tu dire ?
Pour les écoles, que veux-tu dire ?
waouh, t'es catholique avec un C majuscule, toi ! 😮
Lapsus révélateur... note que si j'avais évoqué ton séant, je lui aurais mis également un C majuscule ! 😛
Lapsus révélateur... note que si j'avais évoqué ton séant, je lui aurais mis également un C majuscule ! 😛
Je veux dire que tes enfanst auront leur 5 jours ; et leurs enseignants ? Et leurs camarades de classe ?
En tous, ça va bien plomber un mois et demi. 😏
Michel
Michel
Dois je rire de ton trait d'humour... quand je pense au 180 jours de congés annuels des enseignants toujours en grève, je ne sais pas... 😛
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Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
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Good evening everyone,
This is my 15,000th post, and it's a message I would have preferred never to write.
Patrick—Yangguizi—won’t be returning from his trek in Uganda. His health betrayed him in the mountains.
Like many of you, I laughed until I couldn’t anymore at his travel stories. I met him in Shanghai, then in Istanbul... We scoured restaurants—he was an incredible expert on world cuisines. We relived Korea, China. Always brilliant, so sharp, so funny, so down-to-earth. Being even a little bit his friend was something to be proud of. I think I envied him.
Patrick is still out there, of course... He found his happiness running across the world. He’s on his path. He never doubted that "the traveler doesn’t even know if he’ll return one day."
Not sure this would’ve suited him, but his departure devastates me.
Alright, Farewell, you foreign devil. Safe travels.
Michel
This is my 15,000th post, and it's a message I would have preferred never to write.
Patrick—Yangguizi—won’t be returning from his trek in Uganda. His health betrayed him in the mountains.
Like many of you, I laughed until I couldn’t anymore at his travel stories. I met him in Shanghai, then in Istanbul... We scoured restaurants—he was an incredible expert on world cuisines. We relived Korea, China. Always brilliant, so sharp, so funny, so down-to-earth. Being even a little bit his friend was something to be proud of. I think I envied him.
Patrick is still out there, of course... He found his happiness running across the world. He’s on his path. He never doubted that "the traveler doesn’t even know if he’ll return one day."
Not sure this would’ve suited him, but his departure devastates me.
Alright, Farewell, you foreign devil. Safe travels.
Michel
hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean





