Thailand: The Preferred Destination for "Working-Class" Travelers
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
It’s romantic, not luxurious, flashy, or exclusive... I don’t see what’s romantic about being squished between Donald Trump and Carla Bruni. 🤪🤪🤪
FA Fabric Regular ·
I don’t see what’s romantic about being squished between Donald Trump and Carla Bruni.

you’re right😏 but it’d still be more representative of a high-end spot than if you had the *tuches* as neighbors 😉
ME Merk99 Veteran ·
That's what I was saying—those "tuches" on vacation. On Koh Tao, there’s a whole cohort of them: I’m thinking of Jamahkiri, Villa d’El Sol (just the name, LOL), and so many others.

Koh Tao is definitely the destination in Thailand with the worst value for money.😛
Y'en a pas un sur cent et pourtant ils existent. Leo Ferre
VI Vincethai Regular ·
According to TripAdvisor, the most romantic hotel in the world is "The Place," so we imagined we’d get a room between two Hollywood stars or next to a president

That definition of romance is already kinda tacky itself... 😇

It’s not really a definition—he probably just meant that a globally top-ranked hotel *should* attract some celebrities, but apparently not.

Thanks, that’s exactly it.
ME Merk99 Veteran ·
According to TripAdvisor, the most romantic hotel in the world is "The Place," so we imagine we’ll get a room between two Hollywood stars or next to a president

That definition of romance is already pretty tacky itself...😇

It’s not really a definition—he probably meant that a globally top-ranked hotel *should* attract some celebrities, but apparently, it doesn’t.

Thanks, that’s exactly it.

😏😏😏
Y'en a pas un sur cent et pourtant ils existent. Leo Ferre
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
Your post seemed like a provocation, especially since in Thailand I’m really on the fringes of the tourist world, but in that setting—what felt like the closed-off world of a standard economy class cabin at 500 €—it suddenly hit me. On the Paris-Doha flight, everything seemed normal; I was sitting next to an Indian guy who spoke perfect French and was heading back to Goa. But as soon as we got to the Doha-BKK departure lounge, we could feel something was off. The "mimiles" were there—they were in their element, and it wasn’t their first time in Thailand. They’d truly taken over the country.

In the cabin, 80% of them were loud, vulgar, with greasy hair...

The prize goes to a Finnish woman sitting a few seats away from me. I could hear and see everything she did—it was both fascinating and cringeworthy. At first, I thought she was around my age, but she was actually much younger. She demanded triple dessert portions with every service and extra helpings, then headed to Pattaya to meet her mom, who lives there for what she called her "Paradise holiday!"
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I didn’t see any of that in Doha—I was too fascinated by those businessmen in immaculate robes chatting on gold phones, with watches worth tens of thousands of dollars on their wrists. I was also fascinated by their wives, all so obsessed with cinema that they had the Cinemascope look—those Scheherazade eyes.

This conversation struck me as odd, since I mostly cross paths with cultured and discreet people. Until I remembered that we don’t take the same routes as the masses—or at least, very rarely. Still, it reminded me of one day near the Royal Palace, where I saw that kind of person constantly snapping photos of the poor guards in their uniforms. Watching them almost shove the camera in one of those poor Thais’ faces, I blurted out to my wife: "Look at all these jerks." I should’ve made sure no one could hear me first, but what can you do? When you’re being natural, things slip out sometimes. The lady who heard me took it personally, and it was only because of the noise and the fact that I’d already turned away from the scene that I didn’t catch what she snapped back at me. Hence my question: How is it that our Marcels take criticism so personally, yet at the same time, they don’t seem to realize the impression they make with their behavior?
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
PH Philan Veteran ·
I didn’t see any of that in Doha—I was too fascinated by those businessmen in immaculate robes chatting on gold phones, with watches worth tens of thousands of dollars on their wrists. Just as fascinated by their wives, all of them such huge cinema fans that they’re all dressed in Cinemascope costumes, the kind that gives you Scheherazade eyes.

Total nonsense... rubbish. (Stay home in front of your computer instead of spouting such nonsense)
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
That’s why I kindly responded to your previous question:

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/choix-aeroport-thailande-sud-d8377521/

It’s too bad you didn’t reply this time.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
CH Chanthaburi Veteran ·
Good call, Philippe! 😎
" La Liberté, si elle est illimitée, conduit à son contraire, car si elle n'est pas protégée et restreinte par la Loi, la Liberté conduit nécessairement à la tyrannie du plus fort sur le plus faible " Karl Popper
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
Yeah, that happens in Doha too. By the way, on the same flight to BKK, there was a whole Qatari family—husband, two wives, three or four kids—and the Filipina nanny was in economy not far from us. The kids would come see the nanny and stare at us like we were in a zoo. Usually, it’s the other way around, with economy class gawking at business class. 😉
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
It’s actually quite amazing: you step onto the plane, and when you step off, you see people who look so distinct and dress so differently—people who, by the way, might see us the same way.

Yet, they all have one thing in common: their lives are on their phones.

What still strikes me as really odd—and I don’t think that’ll ever change—is seeing all these people who’ve embraced modernity but still dress like they did 15 centuries ago. It feels like a total anachronism, in a way.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
Yesterday at Doha airport
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Now that’s original! I hope there wasn’t some little Swedish kid walking around with his rabbit...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
CH Chanthaburi Veteran ·
A lot of off-topic posts that have nothing to do with the thread Thailand: the favorite destination for "working-class" travelers. If I wanted to avoid Doha Airport and its inhabitants who have been "curiously" dressed for centuries, I’d choose another airline. After all, it’s their home, isn’t it?!

But here’s the thing: the service and prices are really great, and a short layover halfway through the journey is nice for stretching your legs and having a few cigarettes...

Personally, I don’t care who I’m traveling with on the plane because in my head, I’m already in Thailand with all my Mia Noi! 😎

Safe travels to everyone!
" La Liberté, si elle est illimitée, conduit à son contraire, car si elle n'est pas protégée et restreinte par la Loi, la Liberté conduit nécessairement à la tyrannie du plus fort sur le plus faible " Karl Popper
ME Merk99 Veteran ·
Your post seemed like a provocation

That really wasn’t the intention—just an honest observation about how the type of travelers in Thailand has changed. Sure, these people have the right to travel, but their behavior is often disrespectful and disruptive. Every nationality is part of this wave of *mimiles*, and every social class too. The richer they are, the more unbearable they become!
Y'en a pas un sur cent et pourtant ils existent. Leo Ferre
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
And then there are worse types than that category, after all. Some people are unbearable without being "mimiles" or tourists in Thailand. They don’t even have that excuse. Over time, the saying "To live happily, live hidden" makes more and more sense...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
CH Chanthaburi Veteran ·
No sir, Chantanaburi isn't working-class—he's loaded with cash. He's not some redneck either; he's got a certain class. Sure, he can be a bit odd at times, but that's common, especially if you live in Thailand permanently.

Hey Fabien, you just have to read the five comments aimed at "Johnny" to understand... Watch out—Chantanaburi is a different person from Chanthaburi! 😉

Honestly, living here full-time, it’s hard for me to stomach some of the comments from people who just come for a month of "vacation" and suddenly think they’ve become The Experts on Thailand. But hey, I’ve made the wise decision to be more "tolerant" since VF gave me a second chance before my ban.

And besides, getting worked up over people who are a "little" racist isn’t worth it—especially since it won’t make me any richer or poorer. But most importantly, I won’t hide behind my computer screen.

Good luck and happy travels to everyone! 😎
" La Liberté, si elle est illimitée, conduit à son contraire, car si elle n'est pas protégée et restreinte par la Loi, la Liberté conduit nécessairement à la tyrannie du plus fort sur le plus faible " Karl Popper
TH Thai00 ·
Some people come to Thailand for 15 days and think they know the country inside out—what a joke.

Personally, I’ve been living here for 10 years, I speak Thai fluently, and I only hang out with Thais.

I get the feeling French travelers aren’t resourceful at all. Seriously, just look at the questions: *Where can I find a hotel in BKK?*, *What to do in Chiang Mai?*, etc., etc. For God’s sake, figure it out yourselves!

Back in 2009, my first time here, I managed everything on my own and learned Thai on the streets.

Year after year, this forum has become a mess. You got banned too? Welcome to the club. If the moderator doesn’t like what you say, you’re out of here—lol.
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Your post seemed like a provocation

That really wasn’t the intention, just an honest observation about how the clientele in Thailand has changed.

It reminds me of the early 2000s in BKK, when a "respectable" family cut the entire line at a temple ticket counter, much to the astonishment of other tourists (lots of Japanese folks) and my own lack of surprise once I spotted the family’s French nationality. I’ve seen plenty of examples like that as soon as I step into the tourist ghetto, which I avoid as much as possible.

People who certainly have the right to travel

Lovely spirit of tolerance, but if we could just stop them, huh... We’d be much happier among "our own kind." For the rest, globalization is here, at every level, for better or worse. Personally, I prefer to focus on the best and not dwell too heavily (or pointlessly) on the worst. As for wandering into places frequented by people whose behavior you don’t like, I’ve never really understood what or who forces anyone to do that. Maybe some folks just need to go observe those "too working-class" tourists every now and then to feel superior.
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Most of the tourists—long-term travelers—we ran into over Christmas this year in Samui were Russian.

Families, extremely discreet and considerate.

Two or three French families on the verge of extinction on the beach, yelling at their kids every three minutes for not eating jellyfish, for lending their toys to strangers (Marie-Claire summer special), and for not tearing the sleeve of their Decathlon wetsuit while climbing on the bamboo masseuse hut. With nails sticking out a bit ('See, Timéo, there are nails sticking out a bit'). ++
A la lumière des années passées dépend la vitesse
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
The cuckoo has resurfaced. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

This discussion reminds me of Thailand’s egalitarian side. Those who don’t want to mix with the general public opt for expensive hotels that still don’t meet Western standards, where they’re somewhat cut off from a certain kind of authenticity and sometimes served sanitized food. Meanwhile, those with limited budgets can always count on eating something delicious.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Most of the tourists—long-term travelers—we ran into over Christmas this year in Samui were Russian. Families, extremely discreet and considerate.

Hey! Yesterday, on the Nok-Air BKK-Samui flight via Sri Thammara, it was packed, same with the Lompraya ferry—loads of backpacks, Russians, and Koreans. Pleasantly surprised: 99.99% friendly, people full of excitement, happy to be chasing their dream and having a good time. Chatty enough to practice *sanook* and *mai pen rai* I still admire how well Thais handle such huge crowds of people.

Personally, I’ll leave this thread to those who see travel in black and white.

Thoughts on the water (nothing to do with E. Cantona—no seagulls here, okay?):



Personally, I’m more struck by those massive floating hotels (one and a quarter in the photo) where people live in a bubble and contribute little, if anything, to the local economy.

A few French families—seemingly on the verge of extinction—ruining the vibe on the beach, yelling at their kids every three minutes for not eating jellyfish, for lending their toys to strangers (Marie-Claire summer special), and for tearing the sleeve of their Decathlon wetsuit while climbing on the bamboo massage hut.

Anyway, today’s all about sunbathing, sunshine in sight (view from my window). Gonna go check if they’re still there.

Ten languages asserting their worth don’t compare to two eyes that see. Thai proverb; *Dictionary of Thai Proverbs* (1980)
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ME Merk99 Veteran ·
Happy to be back in your element!? Already choosing a holiday in Samui—isn’t that a bit of a "copycat" move?
Y'en a pas un sur cent et pourtant ils existent. Leo Ferre
FA Fabric Regular ·
Personally, I’ve been living here for 10 years, I speak Thai fluently, and I only hang out with Thais

It’s great that you’ve found your happy place. You shouldn’t ruin it by coming here to stress out on a forum full of farangs 😛
FA Fabric Regular ·
It’s true—living here permanently, I really struggle with comments from some people who come for just a month on "vacation" and suddenly think they’ve become The Experts on Thailand.

I’ve met a lot of expats who, like you, seemed to refuse to learn Thai and only hang out with other expats or the tourists they host—tourists who didn’t understand much about Thailand. Meanwhile, I’ve met regular visitors to Thailand who made the effort to learn basic Thai and were really close to locals, knowing way more about the country than some expats who’ve been here for years.
HE Henridusud Globetrotter ·
Le coucou Those on a tight budget can be sure they’ll always find something delicious to eat.

Oh, if only that were always true!
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".

JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Glad to be back in your element!? Isn’t choosing a holiday in Samui already a bit of a "posh" behavior?

In Samui, some spots cater to "mass tourism," just like everywhere else in the world—jet skis, go-go bars, and young folks out to party. Others are more family-friendly, with parents sunbathing and kids swimming, just like everywhere else in the world. Then there are the New Age vibes, with yoga classes on teak decks and scenic coves, just like everywhere else in the world. But inland—meaning 95% of the island—it’s the traditional Southern Thailand: slow-paced, deserted during the hottest hours of the day, with that little local exotic touch—fish markets, coconut groves, endless beaches, turquoise sea, and no water (wait, what?). So no, choosing a holiday in Samui isn’t automatically a "posh" move. Here like anywhere else, traveling is about choosing your encounters. If some people only meet their own self-satisfaction, I feel bad for them. But I’ll get over it.😎
TH Thai00 ·
I’d never go to Samui—I’ve got the same thing back home on the Côte d'Azur in summer, no need to experience that. Plus, there are islands where there’s nobody—why bother with all those falang?
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
I’d never go to Samui—I’ve got the same thing back home on the Côte d’Azur in summer. No need to experience that. Plus, there are islands with nobody around—why bother with those falang?

Hello, We had a great family vacation there.

We went as a dream team: eight Isaan folks, half an Isaan, and one farang. Quite the crew!

First time swimming in the sea for two little ones.

We ate tons of crabs, squid, fish... real pizza, pasta... basically everything we rarely eat at home. Of course, we hit the shopping mall—Thailand’s national sport.

And we reunited with Thai friends (yes, there *are* Thai people in Samui!), as well as farang friends.

It’s funny, but I find Samui goes beyond authenticity. It’s alive, there’s business, the southern Thai vibe right next to a 5-star resort, and villages from the northeast moving there to work for four months (construction, cleaning, street food, etc.). In short, I think this lovely chaos is pretty Thai after all.

And there are spots where you’ll tear up watching the sun set over Thai families performing *pai thale laen nam*.

Anyway, here’s a little photo—maybe it’ll change your mind!

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CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Huge consumption of crabs, squid, fish... real pizza, pasta... in short, everything we rarely eat back home.

Not to mention the coconut milk-based cuisine, with typical Southern dishes. Just thinking about it gets my taste buds tingling. That said, as much as I enjoy spending a few days there, I couldn’t see myself staying any longer.
HM Hmh Globetrotter ·
That said, while I enjoy spending a few days there, I can’t see myself staying any longer.

It all depends on where you drop your bag! 😇
"Quand l'injustice devient loi, la rébellion devient devoir. " Thomas Jefferson « Le doute est l’apanage des gens intelligents, les cons n’ont que des certitudes »               (Alain Leblay)
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
That said, as much as I enjoy spending a few days there, I couldn’t see myself staying any longer.

It really depends on where you set your bag down 😇

I’ve dropped my bag just about anywhere for a day and ended up staying 3 years. Then 3 years on the little sister, Koh Phangan. When I’d come back to Samui now and then, my Thai friends would always ask how it was going in Koh Phangan. 'Not too tough being far from everything?' :)

Now in the northeast for 3 years.

Visiting the south. Wow. Sawasdee. You’ve picked up the accent. You sound like a... Isaan local. :)
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TH Thai00 ·
Personally, I prefer Koh Lanta—it’s still more authentic than Samui.
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
personally I prefer Koh Lanta, it's still more authentic than Samui

Well, reading this thread, it’s clear that "authenticity" is kind of an empty concept. Everyone’s free to fill it in their own way.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
At the same time, if you live in Isaan, you can’t really blame someone for wanting to experience a bit of the crowds on Samui for a change.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
authenticity is an empty concept

Hey there, Every time I’ve asked for a definition of it, I’ve never gotten an answer. And if the only thing empty was the *concept* of authenticity (lol), the world would be a better place.

Personally, we’re doing a pretty unique trip, but to understand it, you’d need to know the setup: traveling with kids and grandkids (7 in total), including a 1-year-old, which rules out:

- Dream islands without an emergency doctor, - Emotional family reunions,

So yeah, I’m happy and proud to find myself lumped in with the "posh" crowd. We rented a villa in a hotel residence with a private pool*—pretty far from the beaches. *For the pool, so we don’t end up with grumps who can’t handle noise and splashing from real life. That doesn’t stop us from hitting the beach when it’s not too hot. For the rest, a gently sloping Samui, kind of like your setup: voyageforum.com/...post=8385792#8385792 and voyageforum.com/...post=8386113#8386113

Charlie 120—Tom Khaa Talay is still absolutely amazing.

In the end, I really enjoy reading all the best and worst takes here.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
so, happy and proud to find myself ranked among the "mimiles"

A fault confessed is half redressed...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Extra smile Lamaï 7:00 AM, window overlooking the courtyard darn! They removed the courtyard

The buffaloes, the coconut trees, the sea



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HO Howmuch Regular ·
I’d never go to Samui—I’ve got the same thing back home on the Côte d’Azur in summer. No need to live through that. Plus, there are islands with nobody around—why bother with all those falang?

Hi there, That’s exactly what I thought. My wife had never been to Samui, so we went for a week. Whether in Lamai or Chaweng, I felt like I was on a Côte d’Azur beach, just with Asian staff. And the water quality? No thanks. Happy to be back in my Isaan countryside. But of course, that’s just my personal opinion. Have a great day! https://ma-retraite-en-isaan.blog4ever.com/articles/vacances-a-koh-samui
https://ma-retraite-en-isaan.blog4ever.com/
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
At the same time, for someone living in Isaan, you can’t really blame them for wanting to experience a bit of the crowds on Samui for a change.

I checked out your travel journals, and I don’t see Isaan listed. Have you been?... Not that I have any stake in Samui, but when it comes to crowds, aside from 1 or 2 beaches where it’s naturally packed because they’re the hub of beach activities... For us, those spots just let our family enjoy a few days of relaxation that our budget wouldn’t allow in France. As for the rest—the meaning of life, the over-the-top consumerism of paid vacations, or why eat ice cream at Swensen’s... I leave all those big existential questions at the door and just enjoy myself.

Bophut Chaweng South
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Bophut A (small) floating market vibe

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NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Hello

Nice!

I’m also adding a pic of the island—it’s ugly and low-res, but I love it!

++
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NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
The little island that appears on the horizon from the Isaan-registered pickup truck is Koh Hin Nok. The forbidden island from Alex Garland’s novel. Skippy told me all about it.

It doesn’t matter. Respect does, I guess. So you keep your mouth shut for the first ten years and collect the stories. You can post about visiting a temple with photos and humor and then go back to work. Mai pen rai. Sorry.
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DA Daisyone Globetrotter ·
So, to sum up the 8 pages of discussion, I’d say:

EVERYONE’S THAILAND IS DIFFERENT!!!!!
daisy
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
So, to sum up the 8 pages of discussion, I’d say:

EVERYONE’S GOT THEIR OWN THAILAND !!!!!

Hmm, too quick, Daisy—guess we can’t even forum anymore...
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TH Thai00 ·
At least you’re getting everyone to agree :p 😉
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
To each their own Thailand... without forgetting the Thailand of the Thais.😎

NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Sometimes I dream about work.

I park my wife in CSS: .my-wife {position:absolute; top: -10000}. Or a landscape that’d make a killer full-screen background for my field of vision.

It’s Leo, our Kuman Thong, who handles the dreams at home.
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TR Trafalgar83 Regular ·
HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAA

Oh man, you must be a real clown!

Of course, vacations in Knokke-le-Zoute or De Panne would make more than a few people on this forum dream.

Anyway, you really made me laugh with your ignorance and your lack of money that doesn’t let you go to Thailand.

I’ll buy you a working-class Stella at the post office café…
Un Esprit Libre, est un Esprit Vivant.....

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