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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I saw that. Half an hour isn’t bad at all, especially given the temperatures 😅

We’ll try to catch the 8 PM one! !
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
How long does it take for the fine to show up online?

It still isn't there...
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Go clear this up with the cops while you're still in the canton of Bern!
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
How long does it take for the fine to show up online?

It still isn’t there...

No idea, but you can ask the police.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
First, we’ve gotta figure out where to go... and we’re staying in Fribourg!

I think this’ll be wrapped up quick...
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Ah, on the Geneva parking regulations PDF, it states that a disc set at 6 PM allows you to stay until the next day.

Okay, sure, it’s not Bern, but they were recapping the federal rule.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I just found another place to stay in Alsace, between Mulhouse and Basel. The plan is to visit Basel several times, then finish up with the Christmas market in Mulhouse, Freiburg (in Germany), and Colmar!

In Basel, we’ve spotted the Fine Arts Museum, the Tinguely Museum, and the Teddy Bear Museum! Of course, we’ll also take a tour of the city center, hoping the weather isn’t too awful...
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
A written complaint must include the following elements:

first and last name, phone number, postal address or email, date, time, and location of the incident your complaint refers to.

If your contact details (phone number, address, or email) are not included in the complaint, it will not be processed. We will respond to your complaint in writing or orally. However, we are not authorized to provide information in the context of an ongoing criminal proceeding. https://www.police.be.ch/fr/start/ueber-uns/kontaktformular.html
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Thanks!

I wanted to access the fine to put it in Mr. 🤔’s name.
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Ah, in the PDF of Geneva parking regulations, it states that a disc set at 6 PM allows you to stay until the next day.

Okay, it’s not Bern, but they were summarizing the federal rule.

You still don’t get it. Check this out: https://tcsge-shop.ch/zones-bleues/

That’s the rule in Switzerland for blue zones. Yes, if you arrive at 6 PM, you can stay until the next morning, but you have to set the disc to 6:30 PM.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I meant to say that it was written that with a disc for 18 hours, you could stay until the next day.

It's on my computer, I'll show you later !
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
You gotta see who’s handing out fines in Bern—apparently, it’s the cantonal police.

Here, it’s agents from the Parking Foundation, not real cops, and I’ve never seen one between 7 PM and 8 AM. They must be off duty, so not much risk at 7:45 PM. At night, like mentioned earlier, the cantonal police *can* issue fines—for example, for cars parked on yellow lines before pedestrian crossings—but they don’t care about properly parked cars, whether in blue or white zones.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
The cantonal police can issue fines, for example, for cars parked on yellow lines before pedestrian crossings, but they don’t care about properly parked cars, whether in blue or white zones.

I can assure you that in some cities in the canton of Vaud, the police check blue zones in the evening to fine cars that stay overnight with a parking disc set before 6:30 PM. I’ve shared a link with explanations about blue zones twice, and there’s even an image that clearly shows how to set the disc and how long you can stay.

Miranda’s disc was set to 6 PM, so she could only stay for one hour, not longer. She wasn’t lucky—the police came by, and she got a fine. Not cool, but that’s how it is.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Just to make sure I understand how it works in Switzerland—is paid parking the same issue there?

For example, if it’s paid until 7 PM and limited to 2 hours… if you pay from 5 PM to 7 PM, can you stay, or do you have to leave?

So, if I get it right, you’ve gotta rush back before the blue zone time runs out to move your car—super convenient, right?
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Here’s the text about Geneva’s parking rules:

"When arriving between 6 PM (disk set to 6:00 PM, 6:30 PM, or 7:00 PM for the arrival time) and 7:59 AM, parking is allowed with a disk until 9:00 AM."

https://www.geneve-parking.ch/sites/default/files/2022-07/2021_09_21_CVT_cds_VGE_FP_A2_Dir_Zones_Bleues_v1.docx.pdf

So Geneva is a special case (just to be sure!).

This rule isn’t very clear, especially for foreigners. This summer, we used the blue zones and stayed until the very end of the allowed time. Since parking becomes free afterward, we didn’t move the car—no way we were going to drive around just to come back! We got lucky and didn’t get fined! 😅
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Here’s the text about Geneva parking:

"When arriving between 6 PM (disk set to 6:00 PM, 6:30 PM, or 7:00 PM for the arrival time) and 7:59 AM, parking is allowed with a disk

I think there’s a mistake in that sentence. Check the table just below in your PDF. Under point 3.3, the table shows what’s written on the disks. You’ll see the arrival time, the time to set on the disk, and the departure time.

You have two options: either go see the police and ask for an explanation, or just pay and move on. I don’t think it’s worth arguing for hours over something that’s clearly indicated on the disk.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Just to be sure how it works in Switzerland, is it the same issue with paid parking?

For example, paid until 7 PM and limited to 2 hours... If you pay from 5 to 7 PM, can you stay or do you have to leave?

You can stay!

Okay, if I understand correctly, you have to quickly return at the end of the blue zone time to leave before, it's so practical

You made a mistake by not setting your parking disc to the half-hour following your arrival. If you had done it right, you wouldn’t have needed to come back. It’s still simple.🧔‍♀️

By the way, why didn’t you indicate the arrival time as explained on the back of the disc?

Did you know that French parking discs aren’t allowed in Switzerland? Geneva is tolerant and seems to accept this kind of disc since there are quite a few French people in Geneva, but elsewhere, I don’t know how much it’s tolerated.

Also, the Swiss parking disc isn’t allowed in France.
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
You pay until 7 PM and then stay on...

Can we now check and pay this fine, or is it still impossible?
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
The Swiss disc is surely allowed in France. In France, a disc is a disc as long as it's readable. You can make one yourself as long as you arrange the hours on the disc according to the "standard" disc. You can also print one from a template online—that's actually what I've been doing since I lost the other one. I definitely wouldn't try using it in Switzerland, though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Just to be sure how it works in Switzerland, is it the same issue with paid parking?

For example, paid until 7 PM and limited to 2 hours... If you pay from 5 PM to 7 PM, can you stay or do you have to leave?

You can stay!

Okay, if I understand correctly, you have to quickly return at the end of the blue zone time to leave before, it's so practical

You made a mistake by not setting your parking disc to the half-hour following your arrival. If you had done it right, no need to come back. It’s still simple.🤷‍♀️

By the way, why didn’t you indicate the arrival time as explained on the back of the disc?

Did you know that French parking discs aren’t allowed in Switzerland? Geneva is tolerant and seems to accept this kind of disc since there are quite a few French people there, but elsewhere, I don’t know how much it’s tolerated.

Also, the Swiss parking disc isn’t allowed in France.

It’s a European disc. We arrived at 5:50 PM...

My partner looked up the legal basis and sent a message in German, so we’ll see.

I can’t access the fine anyway.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
The Swiss parking disc is definitely allowed in France. In France, a disc is a disc as long as it's readable. You can make one yourself as long as you arrange the hours on the disc according to the "standard" disc—you can also print one from a template online, which is actually what I've been doing since I lost the other one. That said, I wouldn’t try using it in Switzerland!

No, I read that the Swiss disc isn’t allowed in France...
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
The Swiss parking disc isn’t allowed in France—several Genevans have already been fined, especially in Gaillard. The European parking disc isn’t allowed in Switzerland, though it often slips through. You can get a free Swiss parking disc at a police station, or buy one at Migros or a gas station—it’s not expensive...

It’s not normal that you still can’t check this fine after all this time, so you’ll have to ask the cops—maybe even in Fribourg—to see what they say...
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
To get a response, you’ve gotta send your message in Swiss German—not German—and without any spelling mistakes! 😏 And you have to pay first...🙁
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
In Bern, there are still some people who speak French...

Okay, to sum up: wrong arrival time indicated, wrong disc used, a nitpicky cop hanging around at 7:45 PM—so that’s at least a 40 CHF fine, or even 80 CHF if he decides there are two violations... We’ll see if we ever manage to read it...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
To get a response, you have to send the message in Swiss German, not in German, and without spelling mistakes! 😏 And you have to pay first...🙁

No, actually, you don’t have to pay first! Anyway, the fine isn’t accessible.

The guy received a message saying it was suspended while they wait for a response.

Actually, he realized the next street was restricted until 8 PM, so he’s wondering if there was a mix-up.

Anyway, we’re in Bern—it’s freezing!

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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
In Bern, there are still people who speak French...

Okay, to sum up: wrong arrival time indicated, wrong disc used, a nitpicky cop hanging around at 7:45 PM—so that’s at least a 40 CHF fine, or even 80 CHF if he decides there are two violations... We’ll see if we ever manage to read it...

No, it’s the European disc, there’s no issue with the disc
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
To park in a blue zone in Bern, you need a Swiss parking disc (not the European one) and must respect the maximum parking time of one hour between 8 AM and 7 PM, Monday to Saturday. The disc should show your arrival time (rounded up to the next half-hour) and be placed clearly under the windshield.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Until now, I’d only been to a small village in Valais where I have a friend—no problem parking there. This year, I visited a buddy who’d swapped his house for a Swiss apartment in Yverdon... parking the car wasn’t easy at all! Even in the tiniest village or out in the middle of nature, it was a nightmare. Good luck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
To park in a blue zone in Bern, you need a Swiss parking disc (not the European one) and respect the maximum parking time of one hour between 8 AM and 7 PM, Monday to Saturday. The disc must show the arrival time (rounded up to the next half-hour) and be placed clearly under the windshield.

I know that.

The disc is valid throughout Switzerland, that’s not really the debate...

In Yverdon, we parked in a residential area. It was free, though I don’t remember if it was a blue zone or not.

Yes, parking is complicated in Switzerland if you want to avoid barriered parking lots.

Aarau is paid 24/7—total nonsense 🤯

Fribourg is paid everywhere. Weirdly, there were more people at the free shopping center for 3 hours. Paying to go for a drink? Meh, might as well go somewhere else. Which is what we did on Sunday in Bern after the Paul Klee Museum!

By the way, I expected more from the museum. I wouldn’t have paid 20 CHF for it (I’m comparing to other Swiss museums, not French prices) if I hadn’t been invited. Fortunately, there’s a combined ticket with the Fine Arts Museum.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
At the risk of repeating myself, in Geneva, where there are a lot of cross-border workers, the parking foundation (which handles fines in blue and white zones) accepts the European parking disc, and they’re really nice about it because in neighboring France, it’s not reciprocal with the Swiss disc. In the rest of Switzerland, that’s not the case everywhere. Now, you do as you please—it’s up to you! But don’t complain afterward if there’s a problem...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Anyway, that wasn’t the reason for the fine. It just said "pm 6:00 PM"
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
For Basel, I just saw that you can pay for a blue zone:

https://www.bvb.ch/en/service/besucherparkkarte/

I'm interested because it actually works out cheaper than parking in Saint-Louis and paying for a round-trip tram ride, especially since in the evening there's only one red tram every 30 minutes.

But does that mean we have to leave by 7 PM, or is it okay? My partner doesn’t trust it...
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Your link says you can park from 7 PM to 8 AM...

This system also exists in Geneva: https://www.multipark.ch/auth
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Anyway, that wasn't the reason for the fine. It just said "pm 18h"

So clearly a violation. With the disc set to 6 PM, you can't stay past 7 PM. No need to argue, it's clearly indicated on the Swiss disc, and you can find this info all over the internet. If you're lucky, maybe the police will do you a favor. But sometimes, you just have to stop complaining and accept that you made a mistake.

Regarding the European disc, Kurtinet is right—it's not allowed in Switzerland. But I think a lot of cops are pretty lenient about it. Anyway, to avoid another fine, look for a Swiss disc.

As for parking, personally, I don’t find it a hassle in Switzerland. Sure, in cities, outside the blue zones, you have to pay, but it’s the same in Italy, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, etc.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hi there, For me, it's more than a hassle... In Yverdon, just to buy a baguette (4 €! We have the same low-end industrial version at home for 30 cents!), I had to park... no change... I had to exchange money at the nearest shop while keeping an eye on the car, then pay at the parking meter—all for 10 minutes. In Valence/Grenoble, you get 30 minutes free almost everywhere, and especially as soon as you're outside the city center, you can park easily and for free. Around Yverdon, even for hiking in the middle of nature, we had to pay for parking! We would’ve happily parked on the roadside without bothering anyone, but since we didn’t see any other cars, we decided not to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Always have some coins on you—in Geneva, I think euros work too. Otherwise, some of these machines take an app, not sure, I always pay cash.

Go into one of those places for 1 hour of free parking, and you can probably pay by credit card at the exit if needed. Then just leave and walk a few meters. Otherwise, grab a loaf of bread at Migros (not amazing, but it does the trick)...

https://www.parking.ch/fr/parkings/yverdon-les-bains/m-tropole-march-migros
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
It's not easy to get coins when you arrive directly from France... but thanks for the tip. I'll remember that for next time. In Yverdon (it's a small town), when we arrived at the friend's place, there was no parking space. The friend was already using the owner's only parking spot. Fortunately, the neighbors were really nice and let us use one of their parking spaces... everything is strictly regulated there. I live in the countryside where you can park anywhere for free. When I go to Valence, many parking lots are free for half an hour... all you have to do at the parking meter is enter your license plate number, and then just display the (free) ticket inside your vehicle.
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Yeah, parking apps are becoming almost essential in some countries. In Switzerland, I pay for parking with Twint.
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
I don’t pay for anything with my phone, and for now, I’m totally fine with that... 😉
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Anyway, that wasn't the reason for the fine. It just said "pm 6:00"

So clearly an infraction. With the disc set to 6:00 PM, you can't stay past 7:00 PM. No need to argue, it's clearly stated on the Swiss disc, and you can find this info all over the internet. If you're lucky, maybe the police will do you a favor. But sometimes, you just have to stop complaining and accept that you made a mistake.

Regarding the European disc, Kurtinet is right—it's not allowed in Switzerland. But I think a lot of cops are pretty tolerant about it. Anyway, to avoid another fine, look for a Swiss disc.

As for parking, personally, I don’t find it a hassle in Switzerland. Sure, in cities, outside the blue zones, you always have to pay, but it’s the same in Italy, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, etc.

So it *is* a hassle compared to France...

On Basel’s parking website, it says the European disc is accepted
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
I have both discs in my car and use the one that’s appropriate depending on where I am—Switzerland or Europe. The problem’s been easy to solve for at least 3 days now...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Except that’s not really the issue, and I didn’t even mention it at all !
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
So it's a hassle compared to France...

For you! The Swiss guy who gets fined in France because he has a Swiss parking disc might say it's a hassle compared to Switzerland. 😛 For the fine you got, you should've looked into it beforehand, and if you'd had the Swiss disc, you could've seen on the back that you couldn't stay after 7 PM. When you travel, you gotta do your research… You can find the answer, with a photo of the disc, really quickly online.

On the Basel parking website, it says the European disc is accepted

Probably for the same reason as in Geneva, a border canton with lots of French people. In this case, you could say Switzerland is more tolerant than France.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
the problem has been easy to solve for at least 3 days now...

I agree with you.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
There’s no issue with the disc. The European parking disc is valid in Switzerland, period.

https://www.myswitzerland.com/fr-fr/decouvrir/voyages-thematiques/auto-moto-grand-tour/informations-sur-le-grand-tour-de-suisse/parking/

But that’s not the point here...

It’s the guy who was driving, so it’s up to him to handle it, and he’s the one who contested the fine.

He looked up the laws and everything. The blue zone no longer exists after 7 PM, so there’s no reason to fine someone for a zone that doesn’t exist anymore.

Anyway, this whole thing is driving me nuts. He can deal with it himself, and honestly, I don’t want to hear about it or debate it anymore.

And yeah, at least in France, parking is easier—we’re not treated like cash cows like in so many other countries.

We’ve got that and the food. Gotta focus on the positives when everything else is going downhill! !
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Shouldn’t have told us about it then 😉

Apart from the parking disc issue, which is probably tolerated in many places—but I wouldn’t risk it—the law says that if you arrive at 6 PM, you *have* to set the disc to 6:30 PM. So either you get lucky with a nice cop who cancels the fine, or it’s 40 CHF. The cop enforces the law and doesn’t check what’s written on websites...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I talked about it, I got my answer now, we can move on 🤓

I don’t think I’ll use the blue zones except by paying for half a day, and even then...
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Yesterday we parked at the Kunstmuseum parking lot. It's central, so it's really convenient.

A tour of the museum for the 20th-century section, then we walked to the Tinguely Museum.

Heading back to the 1-degree city center was a bit of a shock 😄

By chance, we stumbled upon a typical tavern and saw that the reviews were positive: Brauner Mutz, the brown bear!

I finally got my good *cordon bleu*! Last summer, I had a really good one in Fribourg, but this time we were there during their closing days 😅

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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Yesterday we wandered around Basel despite the not-so-great weather 😅

The center is pretty, even if it gets modern quickly after that. It’s not the ideal season, but we make do with what we’ve got...

The town hall is gorgeous with its frescoes, and it looks even better at night!

A few photos!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Some news about the fine:

After more than a month, we finally got an answer. No one had guessed...

The blue zone applies 24/7 for visitors. Only residents can park without time limits between 7 PM and 9 AM.

Of course, it’s not indicated anywhere...

My husband had to ask Grok to dig through the German web. If the blue zone is numbered, it means it applies 24/7 for visitors. The info is hard to find, and only Bern and St. Gallen enforce this. Worse, in St. Gallen, the blue zone is off-limits to non-residents...
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