Mice in Switzerland, the Other Cheese Country!
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Good evening, And after that, some people still think the law and prices are the same for everyone in Switzerland! Well, no... Switzerland is tough!
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GA Gaura Veteran ·
Here’s a (sad) piece of info that might be useful to me—I live near Switzerland and go there often. I never would’ve guessed there were such sneaky "blue zones" and that they’re so poorly marked for visitors. In Italy, there are tons of traffic and parking restrictions in old town centers, but there are signs everywhere to warn you. Doesn’t the Swiss capital have enough funds to welcome foreigners more warmly? Happy New Year anyway!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
The Swiss capital doesn’t want cars and encourages paying for parking or using park-and-ride facilities.

Not a bad idea, but it’d be nice if it were clearly indicated. Right now, it feels like institutionalized scamming...

Switzerland isn’t transparent about everything...
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
If the blue zone is numbered, it applies 24/7 for visitors.

That’s still a key point you hadn’t mentioned. A numbered blue zone… And I think you didn’t see the sign in the street that specifies this. Regular blue zones are never numbered.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

What do you call a "numbered blue zone"?

Michel
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
If the blue zone is numbered, it applies 24/7 for visitors.

That’s still a key point you hadn’t mentioned. A numbered blue zone And I think you didn’t see the sign in the street that specifies this. Regular blue zones are never numbered.

Uh, yes.

Except there was nothing specifically marked. Normal hours.

You can’t find the info ANYWHERE that numbered zones are 24/7 for non-residents of the city.

No Swiss person I talked to was aware of it, especially since it’s only in Bern and St. Gallen.

If this little journal can help some folks, well... I’ll definitely add it to my blog.

Just goes to show it had nothing to do with the disc or being there after 7 PM, period.
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

What do you call a "numbered blue zone"?

Michel

Residents in these neighborhoods can buy permits to park near their homes at night. To make it easier for them to find a spot, these zones are restricted at night—blue zone rules apply, just like during the day. Where I live, this doesn’t exist, so I don’t know much more about it.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Anyway, even if you had parked in a regular blue zone, you didn’t set your parking disc to the right time, and a strict police officer could have fined you. We explained this to you several times, and you just wouldn’t get it. Now, the situation is a little different because it’s a numbered blue zone. Personally, when I’m abroad and I’m not sure I fully understand a parking zone, I park in a paid parking lot. This happened to us recently in Italy.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Anyway, even if you had been parked in a regular blue zone, you didn’t set your parking disc to the correct time, and a strict police officer could have fined you. We explained this to you several times, and you refused to understand. Now, the situation is a little different because it’s a numbered blue zone. Personally, when I’m abroad and I’m not sure I understand a parking zone, I park in a paid parking lot. This happened to us recently in Italy.

That, we don’t know.

Now, I find you very judgmental.

We get it—you’re perfect and always ready to pay. I thought it was your Swiss side, but after talking to other Swiss people, not all of them want to spend their time paying for everything, actually. Not everyone is a Swiss Croesus.

Anyway, I made this post to inform, not to get into endless debates.

It’s good to inform people so they can choose with full knowledge.
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
I’m far from perfect, but arguing about a fine for weeks—another member already pointed that out to you—I find it pointless and a waste of time. I get the impression you’re always complaining, though it might just be an impression. Several of us gave you great tips for your visits, and I think your accusations are misplaced. Anyway, I’m unsubscribing from this discussion since it’s not adding anything for me. Wishing you other amazing trips with fewer parking problems.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
New summer episode: mice in Zurich! 🐭

We arrived at 3 AM, a trip that almost got canceled at the last minute...

Frustrated I couldn't see Switzerland's biggest city, I booked about ten days there over a month ago. We'll see where we go next after that!
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hi, When it comes to fines, be careful on the roads (outside tolls for the vignette). Last year, a speeding ticket for going 63 km/h instead of 50 cost me 270 € after all! (250 Swiss francs)
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
That’s why we have a radar detector! Hope that’ll be enough 🤔

First impressions of Zurich (photos to come later): we strolled through the historic center and along the Limmat River, all the way to the start of the lake.

It’s so cute! I didn’t have a great impression of Zurich at first, but then I checked out Street View last year and thought it was pretty nice!

I still wanted to see Switzerland’s biggest city!

Lots of tourists here. And I hear a lot of Russian—I don’t know if they live here or are just passing through.

The prices though 😮 I wasn’t ready! More expensive than elsewhere in Switzerland. After some research, it turns out it’s the most expensive city in the world for consumer prices.

Tonight, dinner at a Chinese restaurant we found on The Fork with a discount. I still didn’t quite catch the price of the mochis when they told me with a strong accent 🤔

Since we’re in an apartment, we’ll go grocery shopping to cook.

I did notice some areas are less clean than in other cities...

On the agenda: invitations to the Kunsthaus, the national museum, the Lindt Experience, and the zoo.

I’d love to see other small towns by the lake and some scenic viewpoints.

Hopefully, we can take a trip to St. Gallen.

After that, the mice want to check out Appenzell, even if it means booking an Airbnb.

Oh, and this Sunday we drove closer to the center and parked for free in the blue zone. Cheaper than a transit ticket 😄
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Reminder: all radar detectors are banned in Switzerland, no matter what kind. The fine is steep if you get caught... 🙂
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Oh wow, an episodic travel journal is actually so cool!! We’ll follow Season 2!!
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Reminder: all radar detectors are banned in Switzerland, no matter what type, and the fine is steep if you get caught... 🙂

From experience, it was 400 CHF a few years ago, and that was just for a Coyote
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Reminder: all radar detectors are banned in Switzerland, no matter what, and the fine is steep if you get caught... 🙂

This was in the background of a smartphone app.

Otherwise, this is more like episode 3—we went back to Switzerland in November (obviously not the best season).

Anyway, today’s issue: we didn’t get any instructions on waste sorting, trash bins, or the washing machine. Since it’s our first time staying in an apartment in Switzerland, I know it can be a bit complex.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Even on a smartphone, it's not allowed...

For trash bins, check how it works in the specific municipality—it varies...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
But what are the cops doing—checking every smartphone?

We're in the Zurich municipality.

Let's just say it would've made sense for our hosts to tell us. Everywhere else we stayed, there were several trash cans inside—here, there's just the standard one.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
I don’t know if there’s a way to spot this "from afar," and frankly, I don’t care—I don’t use them.

Normally, you should check if there are trash bags available. Bags are taxed in all cantons except Geneva. In principle, it’s marked on them. If there are, it’s silly, but you can just put everything in them. Otherwise, buy a pack of 10 taxed 35-liter bags at the local Coop or Migros—the tax varies, say from 1.50 CHF to 5.50 CHF per bag depending on the canton.

If there aren’t any or only one, you’ll have to look for where to put plastic bottles, paper, glass, aluminum, etc., to try to use just one bag, which I assume is provided. On the street, is there a container for metal, for glass? For plastic, here at Coop/Migros, but I’m not sure in Zurich (do you have to buy special bags for all plastics?).
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
There’s the classic bag with the Zurich city logo, and that’s it.

There are two bins at the bottom of the building—one seems to be for all mixed recycling. I don’t see where the glass goes.

Oh well, we’ll see!

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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
It's still kinda silly—driving and paying for parking ends up cheaper than two round-trip transit tickets, depending on what you're up to...
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MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
But what are the cops doing—checking every smartphone?

The chance of being checked is pretty low, but yeah, they can inspect every smartphone. In my case, back then it was still an external device.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Bag with Zurich logo = definitely a bag to buy at Coop/Migros, usually sold in packs of 10, with tax as mentioned earlier.

I found a map of glass recycling bins: https://ourecycler.fr/carte?q=zurich#google_vignette
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
We got our answers, but we still need to look into all of this—it’s always so complicated.

On the other hand, we couldn’t find a clear plan for parking rules in Zurich... Swiss cities are so confusing.

I’m using Gemini for help, but I don’t trust it much. It found the cheapest parking by the lake, limited to 4 hours—not 2—but I had to really push it to get the info (I’m finding it more and more "dumb" lately).
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
A few photos of the lake where we strolled.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
These parking lots are an obsession...

Urania underground parking in the city center—definitely not cheap.

On the street, blue zones: up to 1 h 30 possible with a Swiss parking disc (only 1 hour with a European disc since you can’t adjust for the half-hour like with the other one). Otherwise, paid parking in white zones along the curb. Pretty much the same as anywhere else...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
It's not about obsession. It'd be nice to have a map with parking zones because it changes from one damn street to another...

Zero transparency.

I know how a blue zone or a white zone works.

Except there are white zones until 6 PM, others until 8 PM, etc.

Yesterday at Mythenquai, it was 4 hours until 7 PM and really cheap.

I had to search for ages to find the info.

And since the fine in Bern, zero trust.

Okay, we won’t extend the stay. We got a fine for stopping for one minute to check the store’s hours. I was even in the car! The "Pervenche" lurking in the shadows.

My partner’s had enough—he doesn’t want to set foot in the country again. For other reasons too.

I was the one who insisted on seeing Zurich, which I didn’t know, but in the end, it’s a bit long.

We’re not even enjoying ourselves at restaurants, so the trip’s meh.

Two days would’ve been enough.

Now it’s not necessarily me who decides—he’s the one driving.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
A fine of 80 to 120 CHF, I suppose, which would have been wiser to use for underground parking instead of getting worked up in the street every day...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
An 80 to 120 CHF fine, I suppose, which would have been wiser to use for underground parking instead of getting worked up in the street every day...

Did you read what I wrote? One minute outside to check the store’s hours to buy something. No connection to all-day underground parking.

And is it too much to ask for a city map with the white zone’s paid parking areas?

We checked two streets—one was paid until 6 PM, the other until 8 PM, and the rates weren’t the same. Super transparent, right?

I don’t care about underground parking at 45 CHF a day—it’s cheaper to pay for 3 hours on the street when possible. Or, depending on the case, 3 hours underground if you’re moving the car elsewhere.

I had to dig to find the sweet deal at Mythenquai parking: 50 cents an hour, limited to 4 hours.

Why aren’t the rates the same?

Zero transparency.

Like in Bern—nowhere does it say the blue zone applies 24/7 for non-residents. Even here, no one knew, not even the Swiss we talked to. Not even the AIs.

That’s Switzerland’s problem—everything’s opaque, not just the banking system...

My partner prefers places where everything’s clear and you can eat at a restaurant without selling a kidney for a basic dish (we do gastros or nice restaurants, so it’s not just about money).

This is MY travel journal, not ChatGPT, so I’m sharing how I feel.

And all those rigid rules about trash... You have to haul everything back to the stores. Must be a pain for people without a car (we’re in the city). Never seen a country where you don’t have recycling bins in the building (except for glass, okay).

Switzerland’s beautiful but not exactly pleasant to visit, let’s just say that.
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
In Switzerland, when it comes to selective sorting (which really isn’t obvious when you don’t know the codes), I discovered a word I’d never heard before: PET. I thought it referred to pets 😄, but no—it’s plastic bottles! Don’t mix up the bins! 😕

Otherwise, for me, Switzerland is all about the mountains! We avoid cities— the only one I stayed in for more than an hour was Sion.

Does gastronomy even exist there? Is the specialty *cordon bleu*? 😕 Well, we pretty much brought everything from France and stocked up the chalet fridge.

Honestly, we didn’t really find any restaurants we loved, except for a raclette (such a cozy moment) in our friends’ garden. 😕
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
If you park legally, in a covered parking lot for example, and check the store's hours on foot, you'll avoid the hidden traffic warden who’s just waiting for your vehicle to stop somewhere illegal so they can pounce and fine you... 😉

Don’t generalize about all of Switzerland—here, we have bins for paper/cardboard and organic waste right in the building. PET, containers for used clothes, and glass are just 100 meters from the building.

If you want to save money, head to Germany—it’s cheaper... Not sure if parking hours and rates are standardized there, though... 😛
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
If you park legally, like in a covered parking lot, and go check the store's hours on foot, you'll avoid the hidden traffic warden who’s just waiting for your vehicle to stop somewhere illegal so they can pounce and fine you... 😉

Don’t generalize about all of Switzerland—here, we have bins for paper/cardboard and organic waste in the building. PET, containers for used clothes, and glass are just 100 meters from the building.

If you want to save money, head to Germany—it’s cheaper... Not sure parking hours and rates are standardized there either... 😛

It’s not just about saving money—it’s also about mentality...

Wasting time parking somewhere random just to check an opening time in one minute...

By the way, Migros parking is paid too.

Yeah, I think Germany is better. We were in Munich and ate well in the end, but I’d like to see something other than big cities.

I wanted to see Zurich and explore other parts of Switzerland initially.

The problem is mountain lodging. Didn’t find any house swaps.

Problem solved today: Uber. Surprisingly cheap for Switzerland—I wasn’t expecting that.

Museum director. It barely costs more than public transport, given how insane ticket prices are. Doesn’t exactly motivate you to take transit and be eco-friendly...
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Here too, Migros/Coop parking lots are paid, usually with 1 free hour. It’s normal otherwise everyone would park there all day, especially with cross-border commuters...

We’re not in France, especially in German-speaking Switzerland—if they see a car with French plates on top of that, they’ll really crack down... 😉
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Oh no, it was paid full stop—no free hour at all!

As for food, though, there are some great things in Switzerland. Just the fondues 😛—the best dish in the world!

Generally, we buy them at the store and eat them in our lodging. 15-20 CHF at the store, 30 CHF per person at a restaurant, and I’m not even sure it’s better.

There wasn’t any at Migros either this time 😢

Last year, we ate some good cordon bleus with vacherin or mountain cheese, plus some rösti, raclette, and cheese crusts.

After that, it’s not super varied.

Outside of Zurich’s prices, the menus aren’t too exciting either...

I was thinking it’s a good chance to start my diet, but I’d still like to try at least one nice restaurant.

I find there aren’t many cozy spots for a break in the center.

Luckily, we could grab a drink by the lake.

I admit my ideal city trip is a stroll through a historic center, a break, and a nice meal 😊

I’m trying to see the major cities in Europe, but yeah, Zurich isn’t the best pick if you want to stay longer, let’s say.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Well, today we visited the Kunsthaus. A beautiful museum. Personally, though, I’m feeling a bit tired of this kind of museum since I’ve seen so many and think I’ve already visited the most beautiful ones in Europe.

Still, it’s a great museum for art lovers.

We took a drink break on a nearby terrace in the shade—it was really nice.

Then we went for another walk downtown to explore some new streets.

I think we’ve pretty much seen it all now...

We took Uber back and forth—it was easier, and we’ll do the same tomorrow. We’re not that far away, which is why it didn’t cost too much, but I was honestly expecting worse.

We’re planning to visit the National Museum and the Lindt Experience.

We’ve got two days left with nothing planned, and honestly, we already know the city pretty well.

I’d spotted Rapperswil, and Lake Walen is calling my name, but I need to look into it more.

If anyone has any suggestions...

Last year, we saw a lot around Zurich but not Zurich itself—that’s why I wanted to come this year!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Oh, I forgot a detail: I think Zurich is unfortunately way too tagged for my taste. I'm not saying it's awful, but we're talking about Switzerland, a country known for being SPOTLESS. There's some neglect there.

I was also shocked by the number of tags in Prague last September compared to my first visit, but well, it's not Switzerland, is it?

Anyway, I just booked a few nights near Lake Constance on the Swiss side.
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Swiss National Museum in Zurich

Baden, old town

Take the train up to Uetliberg

Rapperswil, a very pretty lakeside walk—at least it was back then, since it’s been ages since I’ve been there...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I mentioned the national museum!

I know Baden.

Climbing up to the viewpoint doesn’t really interest me...
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Einsiedeln Abbey? 😛
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Actually, we only have two days with nothing planned, so I was thinking of Rapperswil one day and Lake Walenstadt the next—though it doesn’t just depend on me.

Today we visited the National Museum, which is honestly pretty good! There’s a big exhibit on Switzerland and the war, and on war and banks

We wandered around Bahnhofstrasse to see the heart of the city. Well, it’s not ugly, but it’s not exactly "beautiful" either.

We followed the Limmat to check out the alternative Zurich West district, but honestly, it bored me quickly. It’s ugly over there—we saw the Viadukt, but I didn’t feel like going any further. I’m too old to get lost in those kinds of hipster neighborhoods; I’m not really into that anymore. I’d rather see beautiful things (and eat well, actually).

Fun fact: it cost the same to take an Uber back as it did to buy two public transport tickets at 5 bucks each. Never seen that anywhere before...

Finally, something cheap in Zurich! Better than dealing with parking, obviously—except for going to the lake, with the Mythenquai tip!
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KU Kurtinet Regular ·
By the way, if you're still in the area, this Saturday, August 1st, is National Day—lots of shops will be closed...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I’ve got an Airbnb until the 31st, after that I’ve no idea. Apparently there’s another heatwave coming...
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
All the more reason to head to the mountains! In August, when it was 35°C in Aix-en-Provence, it was only 10°C in the Val d'Hérens and Val d'Hérémence! I even had my parka on during a raclette dinner in the garden!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Except there isn't necessarily accommodation in the mountains...

10 is too cold.

If there's a region in Germany where it's 25-30°C, that's great.

I don't know Germany well enough, but I wanted to do a road trip in that country.

Anyway, we'll see where the wind takes us, but I'm not really keen on lingering in Switzerland anymore.

I preferred my trip last year, and I think I've seen most of what interested me.

Edit: Anyway, I don't even have a sweater or a coat right now... 😅
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
If there’s one region in Germany where it hits 25-30°C, it’s definitely there.

Asking the fans of this country—I personally won’t set foot in it. 🙁 I only went once to the other side of the border at Lake Constance (Lac de Constance). A beautiful place: Mainau Island. 10°C in Evolène is still pretty exceptional, and in the evening it even dropped below that, but during the day we had a solid 20°C!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Why not Germany?

I was in Munich in June and really liked it.

Last year, we visited some small towns near the border, and I went to Freiburg twice. It’s a country I’d love to explore, especially some charming cities.

Oh, my next accommodation is an Airbnb not far from Lake Constance, but on the Swiss side. We’re planning to go to Lindau. Meinau is farther away, and we don’t have time. I wanted to find another place to stay in the area, but if it’s too hot, forget it.

We already gave up last year because of that. Flower gardens are nice, but there’s no shade…

I mostly go where I can find lodging—I’m pragmatic.

Clearly, I wouldn’t have gone to Zurich if I’d had to pay for an Airbnb.
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Why not Germany?

It’s definitely a beautiful country... but for me, it’s for very personal reasons.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Alright!

According to the weather forecast, it’ll be better to head to Tyrol 😅

Today was way too hot 🥵—30°C, but in full sun, it really hits hard.

We checked out the other side of Lake Zurich, with the Chinese garden and the walk.

We ended up in Rapperswil, which is really pretty with the lakeside walkway.

We found an Italian restaurant that wasn’t too expensive compared to the others 😅
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If needed, Austrian motorway vignette...

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