Trek sans guide en Mongolie?
by Marcoperpi
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Salut tout le monde, cet été avec ma copine nous allons 3 semaines en Mongolie, en fait on a bien envie d aller faire un trek à pied mais sans prendre de guide, apparement ça se fait bien, quel trek conseillez vous ?
Et aprés on va faire un trek en cheval je pense, donc faudra prendre un guide je pense, j ai jamais fait de cheval, du coup est ce que je vais pas trop galerer avec les chevaux mongols ?
Marco
salut
oui bien sur tu peux voyager chez moi en mongolie sans guide mais quand tu parle pas la langue c'est demonge de manquer la conversation avec des gent !!!!!!!!!!!
sinon faire à cheval en Mongolie c'est possible mais fait attention car des chevaux en mongolie sont tous presque sauvage !!!!!!!!!!!
si tu veux d'autre renseignement écris moi sur mon mail perso : khuyagaa.mgl@tiscali.fr
je serai en mongolie le mois d'août 2007 jusqu'à mi septembre .
khuyagaa
oui bien sur tu peux voyager chez moi en mongolie sans guide mais quand tu parle pas la langue c'est demonge de manquer la conversation avec des gent !!!!!!!!!!!
sinon faire à cheval en Mongolie c'est possible mais fait attention car des chevaux en mongolie sont tous presque sauvage !!!!!!!!!!!
si tu veux d'autre renseignement écris moi sur mon mail perso : khuyagaa.mgl@tiscali.fr
je serai en mongolie le mois d'août 2007 jusqu'à mi septembre .
khuyagaa
Merci d'avoir m'adressé . Si vous avez d'autre question n'hézite pas je suis avec vous . Je suis le flis de steppe mongole . C'est beau mon pays . Vous seriez jamais regretter à faire ce voyage en Mongolie . Bon voyage à vous !!!!!!!!
salut,
pourquoi ne pas combiner cheval et rando pedestre, ainsi quand vos chevaux se reposeront vous irez marcher aux alentours? c'est mieux car seul dans la steppe c'est un peu galere vu les etendues et le risque de ne aps trouver eau, village et nomades pour vous depannez.
pour la rando a cheval vous irez au pas donc pas de soucis on y arrive bien! juste savoir reconnaitre la tete de la queue ensuite cela va allez surtout avec un guide, nous en connaissons un.. au besoin me demander..
si vous pouvez aller prendre quelques lecons ce n'est pas inutile on se sent ensuite plus a l'aise mêm si la monte mongole est differente d ela notre, et si els chevaux sont tous sauvages comme on vous le dit on ne va pas vous donnez un jeune fou! faut pas s'epouvanter!
plus d'infos pratiques? http://site.voila.fr/gengiskhan
bon voyage
pourquoi ne pas combiner cheval et rando pedestre, ainsi quand vos chevaux se reposeront vous irez marcher aux alentours? c'est mieux car seul dans la steppe c'est un peu galere vu les etendues et le risque de ne aps trouver eau, village et nomades pour vous depannez.
pour la rando a cheval vous irez au pas donc pas de soucis on y arrive bien! juste savoir reconnaitre la tete de la queue ensuite cela va allez surtout avec un guide, nous en connaissons un.. au besoin me demander..
si vous pouvez aller prendre quelques lecons ce n'est pas inutile on se sent ensuite plus a l'aise mêm si la monte mongole est differente d ela notre, et si els chevaux sont tous sauvages comme on vous le dit on ne va pas vous donnez un jeune fou! faut pas s'epouvanter!
plus d'infos pratiques? http://site.voila.fr/gengiskhan
bon voyage
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
Merci pour ta réponse, mais cela ne coute pas trop cher de prendre un guide la bas ? avec ma copine on a un budget plutot serré, on va partir en tout un mois et on veut pas depenser plus de 500€ chacun, si c'est moins c'est encore mieux !! du coup tu crois que c'est jouable ds ces tarif là ??
Marco
salut
Oui, si vous ne louez pas un véhicule ça passe niveau budget. Le tout est de trouver un guide non pro, genre étudiant qui connait bien son pays. Ceci un Mongol randonneur c'est rare, la rando n'étant pas un loisir en Mongolie. A noter que la bouffe n'est pas spécialement donnée car tout est importé de Chine ou de Russie, mais quand même 1000 euros pour 2 ça suffit. En trek veillez à bien emporter la bouffe avec vous, ne comptez pas uniquement sur les nomades pour vous nourrir, car d'une part ils n'ont pas énormément à offrir, d'autre part il faut encore pouvoir avaler ce qu'ils vous offrent 😉
C'est vrai que sans guide la barrière de la langue est absolument infranchissable: impossible de parler aux nomades, la galère pour prendre les transports en commun, etc...
Ma balade préférée se situe au Tsambagarav National Park (ce n'est pas un trek mais une rando de 1 ou 2 jours, mais tu peux prolonger par l'ascension du sommet, certains restent 1 semaine), il y a plein de nomades qui s'y installent pour l'été. Si jamais tu t'y rends dis le moi, je me ferai un plaisir de réimprimer les photos de cette famille car je ne suis pas sûr qu'ils aient reçu le courrier recommandé que je leur ai fait parvenir...
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Salut, desole de repondre si tard, entre mon taf et laz preparation du voyage je n ai pas eu trop de temps à moi, là ou t es allé ça a l air de vraiment cartonné, tu t y rendu tout seul ?? on ne risuqe pas de se perdre ? tu as marché 3 jours je crois ? tu avais un guide ? nous cela nous tente bien en tout, juste à savoir comment ?
Par contre désolé pour tes photos cela va etre trop juste on part pour moscou apres demain, je sais je te repond vraiment trop tard mais je n ai pas pu le faire avant, .
si des fois tu peux nous en dire plus c est cool, sinon tanpis (ps on va arriver à oulan bator vers le 27, 28 juin)
encore merci par avance
Marco
je viens de percuter, si c est possible d y aller autant tu peux nous envoyer tes photos par mail on les imprimera à un magazin photo avant de partir si tu veux .
mon mail : giordanomarcou@yahoo.fr
Marco
salut !
Oui j'y suis allé avec notre étudiante mongole. Pas vraiment besoin d'un guide, mais au moins de quelqu'un pour traduire. Pendant quelques heures, j'ai été tout seul car ricouboy mon acolyte a voulu grimper jusqu'à un glacier avec elle et moi j'ai préféré rester dans la vallée pour aller de yourte en yourte. Hors la communication a été très difficile avec les habitants, mais c'était rigolo d'essayer de se comprendre. J'ai bien mis un bon 1/4 d'heure à expliquer que j'allais renvoyer les photos à leur voisin (...à 15 km)... en fait ça se disait tout simplement "photos zuruck" comme en allemand + photo de la voisine sur l'écran du numérique à l'appui 😏 Bref sans guide c'est galère sans compter que pour arriver jusqu'à ce parc, il faut encore savoir par où passer... A part cet obstacle linguistique, tu peux très bien te débrouiller seul mais dans ce cas tu dois connaitre un peu le Mongol pour demander ta direction... Pour les photos ce n'est pas grave, je trouverai quelqu'un d'autre qui y va. S'ils ont reçu ma lettre recommandée, peut-être verras tu une de mes photos accrochées dans une yourte? 😉
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Oui j'y suis allé avec notre étudiante mongole. Pas vraiment besoin d'un guide, mais au moins de quelqu'un pour traduire. Pendant quelques heures, j'ai été tout seul car ricouboy mon acolyte a voulu grimper jusqu'à un glacier avec elle et moi j'ai préféré rester dans la vallée pour aller de yourte en yourte. Hors la communication a été très difficile avec les habitants, mais c'était rigolo d'essayer de se comprendre. J'ai bien mis un bon 1/4 d'heure à expliquer que j'allais renvoyer les photos à leur voisin (...à 15 km)... en fait ça se disait tout simplement "photos zuruck" comme en allemand + photo de la voisine sur l'écran du numérique à l'appui 😏 Bref sans guide c'est galère sans compter que pour arriver jusqu'à ce parc, il faut encore savoir par où passer... A part cet obstacle linguistique, tu peux très bien te débrouiller seul mais dans ce cas tu dois connaitre un peu le Mongol pour demander ta direction... Pour les photos ce n'est pas grave, je trouverai quelqu'un d'autre qui y va. S'ils ont reçu ma lettre recommandée, peut-être verras tu une de mes photos accrochées dans une yourte? 😉
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Alors votre périple?
comment c'est passé votre voyage?
Est ce que sans guide c'est difficile? Je par des le mois de septembre(le 5) mais il me reste encore pas mal de questions... pourrai tu me renseigner?
Bonjour LoloDesIles,
Je viens de lire ton post sur le forum, et jai eu plusieurs fois l'occasion d'admirer tes photos, aussi j'avais une question : Nous souhaitons parcourir le Mongolie (juillet-août 2009) en relative autonomie, c'est à dire relier les villes principales (une agence de bus 'PassMongolia' permet d'établir des boucles évitant de repasser par UB, j'attends plus de détails sur le concept), et de chaque vile, partir en rando d'une journée à 3 jours. On a la tente mais pas le réchaud ni la popotte.
Ma question est donc la suivante : comment peut-on gérer la nourriture ? Vous qui voyagiez avec une interprète, comment cela se passait-il ? Aviez-vous prévu de la bouffe pour x jours d'itinéraire et pour x personnes ? Ou bien faisiez-vous des haltes aux guesthouses bénéficiant d'un restaurant ?
Merci beaucoup,
Olympe
Je viens de lire ton post sur le forum, et jai eu plusieurs fois l'occasion d'admirer tes photos, aussi j'avais une question : Nous souhaitons parcourir le Mongolie (juillet-août 2009) en relative autonomie, c'est à dire relier les villes principales (une agence de bus 'PassMongolia' permet d'établir des boucles évitant de repasser par UB, j'attends plus de détails sur le concept), et de chaque vile, partir en rando d'une journée à 3 jours. On a la tente mais pas le réchaud ni la popotte.
Ma question est donc la suivante : comment peut-on gérer la nourriture ? Vous qui voyagiez avec une interprète, comment cela se passait-il ? Aviez-vous prévu de la bouffe pour x jours d'itinéraire et pour x personnes ? Ou bien faisiez-vous des haltes aux guesthouses bénéficiant d'un restaurant ?
Merci beaucoup,
Olympe
bonjour
C'est marrant ce concept de bus-pass... j'ai quand même vérifié que c'est des bus privés, parce que les bus publics oulala.... 😏
Dans les principales villes il y a des magasins pour se ravitailler. Pas beaucoup de choix, essentiellement des boites de conserve russes, certaines sont pas mal (j'aime bien les boites de goulash 🙂). Mais uniquement dans les grandes villes ! Ailleurs ce sera l'épicerie du coin qui vend essentiellement des biscuits secs. Le réchaud me parait important pour les conserves. J'ai regardé leur carte mais mon voyage remonte à quelques années et je ne me souviens si toutes les villes citées ont des points de ravitaillement. Dommage qu'ils n'aillent pas plein ouest, c'est loin mais c'est la zone que je préfère.
Je pense que tu dois surtout bien préparer tes étapes (quoi faire et où) car bien souvent sur place l'obstacle de la langue est infranchissable, sauf zones touristiques. Cette offre de bus (le prix est par personne je suppose) est à comparer avec la location d'un 4x4 (50$ par jour en 2006 + pétrole 20 litres aux 100).
Il y a très peu de restaurants et guesthouses en Mongolie, uniquement dans les zones touristiques. Je pense que vous pourrez panacher les 2 (tente et hotel). A noter également qu'il est assez facile de s'inviter à table chez les Mongols (déconseillé aux végétariens ou aux lactophobes comme moi 😏), et à condition d'amener des cadeaux en échange (des fruits achetés au marché étant le nec + ultra).
Peut-être d'autres VFistes apporteront un complément car je ne suis pas un spécialiste de la destination 😉
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C'est marrant ce concept de bus-pass... j'ai quand même vérifié que c'est des bus privés, parce que les bus publics oulala.... 😏
Dans les principales villes il y a des magasins pour se ravitailler. Pas beaucoup de choix, essentiellement des boites de conserve russes, certaines sont pas mal (j'aime bien les boites de goulash 🙂). Mais uniquement dans les grandes villes ! Ailleurs ce sera l'épicerie du coin qui vend essentiellement des biscuits secs. Le réchaud me parait important pour les conserves. J'ai regardé leur carte mais mon voyage remonte à quelques années et je ne me souviens si toutes les villes citées ont des points de ravitaillement. Dommage qu'ils n'aillent pas plein ouest, c'est loin mais c'est la zone que je préfère.
Je pense que tu dois surtout bien préparer tes étapes (quoi faire et où) car bien souvent sur place l'obstacle de la langue est infranchissable, sauf zones touristiques. Cette offre de bus (le prix est par personne je suppose) est à comparer avec la location d'un 4x4 (50$ par jour en 2006 + pétrole 20 litres aux 100).
Il y a très peu de restaurants et guesthouses en Mongolie, uniquement dans les zones touristiques. Je pense que vous pourrez panacher les 2 (tente et hotel). A noter également qu'il est assez facile de s'inviter à table chez les Mongols (déconseillé aux végétariens ou aux lactophobes comme moi 😏), et à condition d'amener des cadeaux en échange (des fruits achetés au marché étant le nec + ultra).
Peut-être d'autres VFistes apporteront un complément car je ne suis pas un spécialiste de la destination 😉
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Thanks! :)
I’m looking for half-day hikes near Karakol (not Jety-Oguz, since I’ll be heading there separately—max 30 minutes’ drive to the trailhead).
I can find longer treks, but nothing for a short outing!
So, if you’ve got any ideas...
Thanks! :)
Hi everyone,
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.




