Mice in Switzerland, the Other Cheese Country!
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
There’s the classic bag with the Zurich city logo, and that’s it.

There are two bins at the bottom of the building—one seems to be for all mixed recycling. I don’t see where the glass goes.

Oh well, we’ll see!

A few photos
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
It's still kinda silly—driving and paying for parking ends up cheaper than two round-trip transit tickets, depending on what you're up to...
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
But what are the cops doing—checking every smartphone?

The chance of being checked is pretty low, but yeah, they can inspect every smartphone. In my case, back then it was still an external device.
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Bag with Zurich logo = definitely a bag to buy at Coop/Migros, usually sold in packs of 10, with tax as mentioned earlier.

I found a map of glass recycling bins: https://ourecycler.fr/carte?q=zurich#google_vignette
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
We got our answers, but we still need to look into all of this—it’s always so complicated.

On the other hand, we couldn’t find a clear plan for parking rules in Zurich... Swiss cities are so confusing.

I’m using Gemini for help, but I don’t trust it much. It found the cheapest parking by the lake, limited to 4 hours—not 2—but I had to really push it to get the info (I’m finding it more and more "dumb" lately).
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
A few photos of the lake where we strolled.
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
These parking lots are an obsession...

Urania underground parking in the city center—definitely not cheap.

On the street, blue zones: up to 1 h 30 possible with a Swiss parking disc (only 1 hour with a European disc since you can’t adjust for the half-hour like with the other one). Otherwise, paid parking in white zones along the curb. Pretty much the same as anywhere else...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
It's not about obsession. It'd be nice to have a map with parking zones because it changes from one damn street to another...

Zero transparency.

I know how a blue zone or a white zone works.

Except there are white zones until 6 PM, others until 8 PM, etc.

Yesterday at Mythenquai, it was 4 hours until 7 PM and really cheap.

I had to search for ages to find the info.

And since the fine in Bern, zero trust.

Okay, we won’t extend the stay. We got a fine for stopping for one minute to check the store’s hours. I was even in the car! The "Pervenche" lurking in the shadows.

My partner’s had enough—he doesn’t want to set foot in the country again. For other reasons too.

I was the one who insisted on seeing Zurich, which I didn’t know, but in the end, it’s a bit long.

We’re not even enjoying ourselves at restaurants, so the trip’s meh.

Two days would’ve been enough.

Now it’s not necessarily me who decides—he’s the one driving.
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
A fine of 80 to 120 CHF, I suppose, which would have been wiser to use for underground parking instead of getting worked up in the street every day...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
An 80 to 120 CHF fine, I suppose, which would have been wiser to use for underground parking instead of getting worked up in the street every day...

Did you read what I wrote? One minute outside to check the store’s hours to buy something. No connection to all-day underground parking.

And is it too much to ask for a city map with the white zone’s paid parking areas?

We checked two streets—one was paid until 6 PM, the other until 8 PM, and the rates weren’t the same. Super transparent, right?

I don’t care about underground parking at 45 CHF a day—it’s cheaper to pay for 3 hours on the street when possible. Or, depending on the case, 3 hours underground if you’re moving the car elsewhere.

I had to dig to find the sweet deal at Mythenquai parking: 50 cents an hour, limited to 4 hours.

Why aren’t the rates the same?

Zero transparency.

Like in Bern—nowhere does it say the blue zone applies 24/7 for non-residents. Even here, no one knew, not even the Swiss we talked to. Not even the AIs.

That’s Switzerland’s problem—everything’s opaque, not just the banking system...

My partner prefers places where everything’s clear and you can eat at a restaurant without selling a kidney for a basic dish (we do gastros or nice restaurants, so it’s not just about money).

This is MY travel journal, not ChatGPT, so I’m sharing how I feel.

And all those rigid rules about trash... You have to haul everything back to the stores. Must be a pain for people without a car (we’re in the city). Never seen a country where you don’t have recycling bins in the building (except for glass, okay).

Switzerland’s beautiful but not exactly pleasant to visit, let’s just say that.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
In Switzerland, when it comes to selective sorting (which really isn’t obvious when you don’t know the codes), I discovered a word I’d never heard before: PET. I thought it referred to pets 😄, but no—it’s plastic bottles! Don’t mix up the bins! 😕

Otherwise, for me, Switzerland is all about the mountains! We avoid cities— the only one I stayed in for more than an hour was Sion.

Does gastronomy even exist there? Is the specialty *cordon bleu*? 😕 Well, we pretty much brought everything from France and stocked up the chalet fridge.

Honestly, we didn’t really find any restaurants we loved, except for a raclette (such a cozy moment) in our friends’ garden. 😕
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
If you park legally, in a covered parking lot for example, and check the store's hours on foot, you'll avoid the hidden traffic warden who’s just waiting for your vehicle to stop somewhere illegal so they can pounce and fine you... 😉

Don’t generalize about all of Switzerland—here, we have bins for paper/cardboard and organic waste right in the building. PET, containers for used clothes, and glass are just 100 meters from the building.

If you want to save money, head to Germany—it’s cheaper... Not sure if parking hours and rates are standardized there, though... 😛
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
If you park legally, like in a covered parking lot, and go check the store's hours on foot, you'll avoid the hidden traffic warden who’s just waiting for your vehicle to stop somewhere illegal so they can pounce and fine you... 😉

Don’t generalize about all of Switzerland—here, we have bins for paper/cardboard and organic waste in the building. PET, containers for used clothes, and glass are just 100 meters from the building.

If you want to save money, head to Germany—it’s cheaper... Not sure parking hours and rates are standardized there either... 😛

It’s not just about saving money—it’s also about mentality...

Wasting time parking somewhere random just to check an opening time in one minute...

By the way, Migros parking is paid too.

Yeah, I think Germany is better. We were in Munich and ate well in the end, but I’d like to see something other than big cities.

I wanted to see Zurich and explore other parts of Switzerland initially.

The problem is mountain lodging. Didn’t find any house swaps.

Problem solved today: Uber. Surprisingly cheap for Switzerland—I wasn’t expecting that.

Museum director. It barely costs more than public transport, given how insane ticket prices are. Doesn’t exactly motivate you to take transit and be eco-friendly...
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Here too, Migros/Coop parking lots are paid, usually with 1 free hour. It’s normal otherwise everyone would park there all day, especially with cross-border commuters...

We’re not in France, especially in German-speaking Switzerland—if they see a car with French plates on top of that, they’ll really crack down... 😉
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Oh no, it was paid full stop—no free hour at all!

As for food, though, there are some great things in Switzerland. Just the fondues 😛—the best dish in the world!

Generally, we buy them at the store and eat them in our lodging. 15-20 CHF at the store, 30 CHF per person at a restaurant, and I’m not even sure it’s better.

There wasn’t any at Migros either this time 😢

Last year, we ate some good cordon bleus with vacherin or mountain cheese, plus some rösti, raclette, and cheese crusts.

After that, it’s not super varied.

Outside of Zurich’s prices, the menus aren’t too exciting either...

I was thinking it’s a good chance to start my diet, but I’d still like to try at least one nice restaurant.

I find there aren’t many cozy spots for a break in the center.

Luckily, we could grab a drink by the lake.

I admit my ideal city trip is a stroll through a historic center, a break, and a nice meal 😊

I’m trying to see the major cities in Europe, but yeah, Zurich isn’t the best pick if you want to stay longer, let’s say.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Well, today we visited the Kunsthaus. A beautiful museum. Personally, though, I’m feeling a bit tired of this kind of museum since I’ve seen so many and think I’ve already visited the most beautiful ones in Europe.

Still, it’s a great museum for art lovers.

We took a drink break on a nearby terrace in the shade—it was really nice.

Then we went for another walk downtown to explore some new streets.

I think we’ve pretty much seen it all now...

We took Uber back and forth—it was easier, and we’ll do the same tomorrow. We’re not that far away, which is why it didn’t cost too much, but I was honestly expecting worse.

We’re planning to visit the National Museum and the Lindt Experience.

We’ve got two days left with nothing planned, and honestly, we already know the city pretty well.

I’d spotted Rapperswil, and Lake Walen is calling my name, but I need to look into it more.

If anyone has any suggestions...

Last year, we saw a lot around Zurich but not Zurich itself—that’s why I wanted to come this year!
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Oh, I forgot a detail: I think Zurich is unfortunately way too tagged for my taste. I'm not saying it's awful, but we're talking about Switzerland, a country known for being SPOTLESS. There's some neglect there.

I was also shocked by the number of tags in Prague last September compared to my first visit, but well, it's not Switzerland, is it?

Anyway, I just booked a few nights near Lake Constance on the Swiss side.
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Swiss National Museum in Zurich

Baden, old town

Take the train up to Uetliberg

Rapperswil, a very pretty lakeside walk—at least it was back then, since it’s been ages since I’ve been there...
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I mentioned the national museum!

I know Baden.

Climbing up to the viewpoint doesn’t really interest me...
KU Kurtinet Regular ·
Einsiedeln Abbey? 😛

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