2 conceptions différentes pour deux des trois rois du raid (+hdj80)
pour le patrol y61 : 2 ponts + chassis échelles : indestructible
je t'orienterais plus facilement sur un 3.0l avec blocage pont arrière
c'est increvable et ça reste super agréable sur route
de nombreuses pièces en équipement relativement pas chère
Peut-être faut-il distinguer les différentes générations de Patrol. Même si leur transmission reste complète, les derniers n'étaient-ils pas trop gros et trop lourds ?
pas plus gros qu'un hdj80
et je parle que du vaisseau amiral de nissan c'est à dire le patrol y61 3.0 chassis long
7 places, 158cv pour 3l, 280nm
maintenant c'est sur il fait 2.4t mais il n'en est pas trop pénalisé
le mien a 11 ans pour 170000 kms et jamais eu de soucis
J'ai aussi un Patrol 3Litres de 2001 avec 160 000 km, j'ai fais la Grèce, Turquie, Syrie Jordanie... RAS, confortable, équipable et robuste. (le must après le HDJ 80?)
Si vous changer les suspensions d'origine par du Koni raid (par exemple) vous êtes bon pour l'aventure. Après, pour ce qui est des équipement c'est chacun qui fait son choix en fonction de ses moyens et de ses envies...
1. Defender 110 : avantage du volume intérieur et des divers possibilités d'amménagement (tente intégrée au toit par exemple) inconvénient: fragile et confort spartiate (après un raid madame risque de vouloir le vendre...)
2. Toyota HDJ80 : très bien mais à mon avis trop glouton entre 16 et 20 litres/100 la cote est affolante et commence çà être vieux même s'il reste une référence...
3. Nissan Patrol : pas très objectif car je l'ai mais j'estime que c'est un des meilleurs et rapport qualités/prix. conso moyenne de 12 l/100 et jamais eu de soucis en 100 000 km.
Je placerais donc mon classement ainsi:
1. Patrol
2. HDJ80
3. 110
Pour plus d'info sur les véhicules 4X4 et leur différents types d'aménagements un site super bien fait: Casa Trotter peuplé de vrais spécialistes en tout genre...
Bien cordialement,
Bonjour
Je voudrais rectifier les chiffres pour la consommation du hdj80 (16-20L) qui sont erronnés .
La conso moyenne de mon hdj80 (24 soupapes de 96) et de tout ceux que je connais est plutôt de 11,5L -12L sur route (2000-2100 tours entre 90- 110km/h) et d'environ 13-14 litres au cours de raids intensifs dans le désert avec beaucoup de pistes et sable et pas forcément en conduite économique en pleine charge( 3,3tonnes + tente de toit), .
C’est sur que dans la sable mou la conso peut monter a 15-17L mais ça c'est pareil pour tous les 4x4, idem si on dépasse le 130 sur autoroute mais c'est interdit.
Les 12L annoncés pour le Patrol doivent être une moyenne et dans le sable ou conditions difficiles la conso doit dépasser allègrement les 14-15l ...
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Le Patrol a la réputation d'être un très bon véhicule avec globalement les mêmes qualités que le 80 pour le franchissement, mais aussi d'être sous motorisé en 3L (aussi lourd que le 80 mais sans la puissance du 4,2L), problème sans doute mineur en version standard mais qui doit s’amplifier avec des aménagements supplémentaires (mon 80 aménagé pèse 3,3t sans modification notable du comportement et possibilités de franchissement).
Je pense que la consommation n'est pas le premier critère dans le choix de ce type de véhicule; le hdj80 restant une réference pour les raids, grâce à sa simplicité (peu d' électronique, réparable et connu partout dans le monde) sa solidité et fiabilité (la plupart des pièces transmission, suspension, moteurs sont surdimensionnés), sa puissance et son couple appréciable sur du terrain mou , sa transmission et ses possibilités de franchissement(2 ponts, 3 blocages), son confort et son volume intérieur.
Les seuls défauts recensés, sont une faiblesse au niveau de la durite de direction assistée qui a tendance a casser à la longue, et les injecteurs à changer tous les 100000 km, l'entretien assez couteux si on ne fait pas soi-même, mais il y a peu d'interventions à part celles-ci et les vidanges), sa côte, c’est vrai qu'il est hors de prix mais elle est liée à ses qualités et se revend bien,
Enfin il commence à être vieux, mais on peut en trouver encore aux alentours de 220000Kms ce qui est peu pour ce type de véhicule,
Si j'avais à choisir, je choisirais entre le 80 et le 110 qui est incontournables pour les long voyages( prévoir un peu de compétences en mécanique avec le land ) .
Si vous voulez plus d’infos sur le 80, je vous recommande le site http://my80isfantastic.fr.st/,
Je vous souhaite un bon choix,
cordialement
Bjr
moi z'aussi je voudrais tempérer la conso toyota suite à ma dernière expérience de voyage longue durée.
70000 kms dans la cordillère des z'andes d'en bas jusqu'en haut du niveau de la mer à plus de 5000, conso moyenne sur tout le voyage 12.5 litres !
sans turbo et avec de nombreux cylindres malgré le 3100 kg affiché sur les balances durant le voyage !
Fred
@+Fred
C'est déjà compliqué de faire simple !!
www.zigzagcruiser.eu/blog/
OK, mea culpa je me basais sur les dire entendus sur différents forum. le Patrol c'est du 12l en moyenne général mais il est sûr que dans le sable on taquine vite avec le 17-20l et les 90 litres du réservoir peuvent s'avérer rapidement insuffisant.
Concernant la motorisation, c'est suffisant dans la grande majorité du temps mais c'est sur que parfois c'est léger, j'ai testé dans le fesh fesh une fois et vraiment il manquait quelque chose sous la pédale, obligé de jouer dans les tours pour m'en sortir. De même sur des côtes bien abruptes, lorsque l'on est chargé pour 3 à 4 semaines de raid à 5 personnes, mais bon c'est rare.
Dans l'ensemble je suis très satisfait de ce véhicule. Je n'ai jamais conduit de toyota, ce sera pour plutard peut-être!!! pour le moment mon patrol est neuf (160 000km) donc j'ai le temps!!!
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Hi there,
We’ll be traveling in January 2027 in a 4x4 with a rooftop tent with our three kids, from Johannesburg to Cape Town. We’ve already booked several campsites in national parks (Golden Gate / Mountain Zebra / Addo Elephant / Garden Route).
We still need to reserve the stretch between De Hoop Nature Reserve and Cape Town. Any suggestions?
We’d love to stay around Cape Town for 5 days to explore the wine route, the peninsula, and do some hikes in Table Mountain.
Any camping recommendations? Or, on the contrary, places to avoid?
Also, we have 2 nights left near Wilderness National Park / Knysna. Any recommendations?
Thanks so much for your help!
For my 60th birthday (yes, I’m jumping the gun a bit!), I’m starting to plan a self-drive trip to Tanzania (in June).
I also considered Zimbabwe but I’m worried it might be a bit chilly at night in June.
I’ve revisited an itinerary I’d thought about before, tweaking it since I’ll have more days to dedicate to this trip. Still no big northern classics for the same reasons as before (too expensive, too crowded, too many tour operators).
Here’s what I’ve got so far:
(Arrival/departure from Kilimanjaro Airport)
Night 1: Arusha
Night 2: Arusha
Night 3: Lake Manyara
Night 4: On the way to Iringa (any ideas???)
Night 5: Iringa
Nights 6–8: Ruaha NP
Nights 9–10: Mikumi NP
Night 11: Bagamoyo
Nights 12–15: Beach
Nights 16–17: Lushoto
Nights 18–19: Mkomazi NP
Night 20: Toward Marangu – eastern Kilimanjaro
Night 21: Western Kilimanjaro
End of trip
All your ideas, tweaks, info, and suggestions on this route are welcome!
I could move one beach night somewhere else if needed.
Also, if you have a car rental company to recommend or thoughts on the bandas rented in the parks, I’m all ears!
Finally, what are the roads like in Ruaha in June? The rental company I’m looking at seems to allow this park with a small 4x4. (Off-limits: Serengeti and Natron)
We’re planning a long-term trip starting in April with our 4x4, beginning in the USA.
We’re still looking for car insurance that covers Canada and the USA.
We’ve read quite a few forums, but we’re hoping for some help (from fellow travelers).
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
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Thanks so much for any info you can share.
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Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla).
Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place?
Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport?
Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?...
How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
