Je prévois d'acheter un pickup neuf pour faire du raid.
Que valent les nouveaux modeles 2012 Ford Ranger et Toyota Hilux ?
Combien de kms est capable d'atteindre ce genre de vehicule ?
Lequel des deux choisir sachant que je cherche quelque chose de robuste et fiable, capable d'affronter pistes caillouteuses et les dunes africaines.
PS: je sais que les purs baroudeurs vont me conseiller un vehicule ancien sans electronique mais je cherche du neuf.
Moi je regarderai du côté soit Toyota Hilux D4D 3litres, soit Isuzu DMAX en 3 litres TDI.
Pourquoi 3 litres ? parce que si il est équipé grand raid (double reservoir de gasoil + blindage + reserve d'eau + tente sur le toit + double batterie + frigo + tout le matos camping + outillages divers = du poid !!!. Lorsque que le terrain est particulièrement difficile, un moteur 3 litres fait la différence avec un 2.5
Ce sont des véhicules que l'on croise en pagaille en Afrique...y a certainement une bonne raison au delà du simple marketing. Le maillage des concessionnaires est important et les petits garages connaissent ces véhicules.
Pour la durée de vie du moteur.....qui peut dire... mais jusqu'à 200.000 km en respectant bien les entretiens cela devrait le faire. Après tout peut arriver ou durer.
Y a aussi l'iveco massif pick up moteur 3 litres qui a beaucoup de qualités et de robustesse mais le hic c'est le dépannage et les pièces (et je ne sais pas si il se trouve encore en neuf)
l'Isuzu pick-up un SUV , tu rigoles !!
Il est aussi bien équipé que le Hilux pour le 4x4 et le moteur diésel est certainement un des meilleurs du marché avec une technilogie poids lourds.
Il y a plus de moteurs Isuzu qui roulent en Afrique que de Toyota.
La majorité des petits camions qui roulent en Afrique ont des moteurs Isuzu.
Le chassis de ce pick-up Isuzu est un des plus solides, pour preuve les fabricants de cellules sérieux les plébiscites alors qu'ils ne veulent plus monter de cellules sur le Nissan(chassis trop fragiles) et sous certaines conditions de charge et de porte à faux sur le mitsubichi !
l'Isuzu pick-up un SUV , tu rigoles !!
Il est aussi bien équipé que le Hilux pour le 4x4 et le moteur diésel est certainement un des meilleurs du marché avec une technilogie poids lourds.
Il y a plus de moteurs Isuzu qui roulent en Afrique que de Toyota.
La majorité des petits camions qui roulent en Afrique ont des moteurs Isuzu.
Le chassis de ce pick-up Isuzu est un des plus solides, pour preuve les fabricants de cellules sérieux les plébiscites alors qu'ils ne veulent plus monter de cellules sur le Nissan(chassis trop fragiles) et sous certaines conditions de charge et de porte à faux sur le mitsubichi !
Ce qui me gene sur le isuzu d max c'est la garde au sol qui est la plus basse de tous.
Que penses tu du ford ranger ? Beaucoup moins cher que le Hilux.
+1 pour l'éloge de l'Isuzu.
Je suis intrigué par cette bestiole en Afrique et je pense que la réticence est la même qu'à l'endroit des japonaises 4x4 il y a 20 ans, une sorte d'à priori.
J'ai vu en RSA un camion 4x4 Isuzu avec cellule CC, le mec retraité vivait dedans à l'année (on l'a croisé sur la piste de Die Hell, l'enfer).
Tu sais bien qu' en Oz, 90% des camions promène-couillons (Cape York, Kimberleys) sont des ISUZU avec cellule à touristes à l' arrière, ils roulent comme des malades et n' ont pas peur de passages costauds...
Désolé mais après 15 ans d'afrique en 4x4 je reste sur mon premier commentaire .
Toutes fois il est vrait que l'on voit beaucoup de véhicules " IZUZU " rouler mais
cela vient du fait qu'il ne sont pas cher , ce sont des modèles < AFRICAIN > modèle de base
et les Africains n'étant pas très fortunés ils remplacent toutes les camionettes peugeot par
le même modèle en locurence l ' izuzu car ils peuvent récupérer les pièces sur les vieux ou les accidentés .
Bon courage .
Charly83****
http://www.ledeserteniveco4x4.com/
Mais le navara semble avoir pas de problemes de fiabilité ( beaucoup d'electronique) d'apres les retours qu'on a sur les forums.
Le isuzu d max semble pas mal, il est utilisé dans les rallyes Dakar en Amerique du sud depuis quelques années.
Le hilux est vraiment trop cher, je ne vois pas ce qui justifie une telle difference de prix par rapport à ses concurrents.
Il y a aussi le nissan NP 300, je ne sais pas ce que ça vaut.
Pourquoi le Hilux est cher ?
La réponse est dans ton message de demande du 06 mars , Tu recherches un pick up robuste et fiable.
Tu peux prendre moins cher...moins robuste ...moins fiable !
Les 2 chassis qui ne posent pas de problème c'est Toyota et Isuzu, C'est pas moi qui le dit , c'est les utilisateurs , les fabriquants de cellules etc...
tu commences ta demande d'information par :< Je prévois d'acheter un pickup neuf pour faire du raid. >
Et tu veux du < solide > donc il faudra mettre le prix car du " NEUF " en 4x4 ce n'est pas donné !!!
Exemple avant j'ai eu un Toyota " HJ 60 " que j'ai revendu à 450 milles kms il il à 8 ans et il poule toujours !
Après j'ai acheté un " HJ 61 " que j'ai revendu à 350 milles kms il roule toujours !
J'ai actuellement un " iveco daily 4x4 " qui a 295 milles kms et...il roule à merveille et par pour l'Afrique pour la énième fois .
Dans les nouveaux 4x4 ??????
Les anciens HJ sont reputés incassables, je ne sais pas si les nouveaux pickups sont capables de faire autant de kilometres.
Les chassis pickup sont ils aussi robustes que les anciens ?
Si je veux du neuf c'est tout simplement que l'on ne trouve plus des HDJ ou Hj avec un kilometrage raisonnable de nos jours.
En fait il faut avant d'acheter un " vrai " 4x4 il faut faire les comptes :
1°/ un 4x4 neuf entierement équipé = 75 milles euros (et pas mal d'électronique c'est pas très rassurant en milieux ostile ).
2°/ ex : achat d'un HDJ 80 de 1998 (équipé) 17 milles euros , faire une révision générale proche du neuf = 15 milles euros total = 32 milles euros.
3°/ ex: achat d'un HJ 61 de 1989 = 8000 euros révision proche du neuf = 12 milles euros + équipement raid = 5000 euros total = 25 milles euros .
<<< La difference est pour 1°/ le neuf et le HDJ 80 75 000-32 000 = 43 000€ on a une réserve pour d'éventuelles réparations.
<<< la différence est pour 2°/ le neuf et le HJ 61 75 000-25 000 = 50 000€ il reste une marge énorme et on peut être certain
de posseder de vrai 4x4 avec de solide base réparable dans le monde entier , ce 6 cylindres est unique de robustesse !
Cordialement.
Charly83****
ex: http://www.toutvendre.fr/TOYOTA-HJ61-LAND-CRUISER-STATION-WAGON-VX_13808113.aspx
Je prévois d'acheter un pickup neuf pour faire du raid.
Que valent les nouveaux modeles 2012 Ford Ranger et Toyota Hilux ?
Combien de kms est capable d'atteindre ce genre de vehicule ?
Lequel des deux choisir sachant que je cherche quelque chose de robuste et fiable, capable d'affronter pistes caillouteuses et les dunes africaines.
PS: je sais que les purs baroudeurs vont me conseiller un vehicule ancien sans electronique mais je cherche du neuf.
Bjr
je serai curieux de savoir ce que vous comptez faire en disant "raid" cailloux et dunes africaines ? Maroc & Tunisie ? Afrique de l'ouest ?
1 voyage par an de 4 semaines ? un gros voyage par an de 15000 km/20000 ? une utilisation quotidienne ?
si tu cherches absolument du neuf, je ferais le même genre de réponse qu'Éricarole, ne sachant pas si tu as des notions de mécaniques, (ce qui me semble important quand on veut aller dans ces coins là) car personnellement, j'ai une confiance très limitée dans les garages pour ce genre de véhicules vendus en Europe
si tu es tenté par le vieux d'occasion, au confort rustique, costaud & sans turbo & sans électronique, le choix ne manque pas ( je dirais même l'offre augmente vu le prix du carburant ici)
Rien qu'en tapant HZJ 75 dans le coin coin il y a deux pick -up aux alentours de 17000 et 250000 km
Connaissant ce genre de bestiau, il peut y avoir une bonne base de travail, faut juste être accompagné par un connaisseur de HZJ
Sans connaître l'entretien des véhicules proposés voici un plan de travail mécanique radical avec une idée des prix des pièces
il faut sortir l'ensemble moteur boite (2h) et travailler autour
courroie de distribution 200
pompe à eau et durite 200
échange alternateur-démarreur 800
révision injecteur 1200
ensemble boite et transfert et embrayage . l'ensemble des kit de révision 1000 euros
aller à la louche 10000 soit un joujou pour 27000 !
et en plus tu le connais avant de partir si tu as participé au travail
après si tu tapes HZJ79 là tu trouves des véhicules préparés à 23 et 40000 zorros
Hello everyone. After a dozen 4x4 trips to this country before COVID, I’m planning another departure at the end of 2026 and early 2027—around three weeks starting December 27th. Main goal: Merzouga to Chegaga, sand, sand, and more sand. Mostly camping and a few campgrounds here and there.
After 40 years of traveling in Morocco, I want to explore a new area by 4x4—the Western Moroccan Sahara, which I don’t know very well.
I have plenty of tracks and itineraries, but I’d love some info to help me decide on the best route:
Part 1:
I want to do the ASSA - SMARA crossing. Basically, I have two options: the first follows the Draa River and goes through M’SIED, and the second is much further south, passing through LABOUIRAT and heading straight to SMARA.
If you have any details on road conditions, driving restrictions, etc., I’d really appreciate it.
Part 2:
SMARA - BIR ANZERANE - DAKHLA – here, I also have two routes.
The first heads west from Smara toward Sidi Kathari.
The second goes east from SMARA and gets pretty close to the border at one point (about 10 km away).
Both routes meet up about 150 km later and are nearly identical from there to BIR ANZERANE and DAKHLA.
Hi,
For next summer’s vacation, I’m thinking of returning to the Sahara after visiting Tamanrasset and the Hoggar, which was stunning—not to mention the Tuareg hospitality.
I’d like to explore the sandy desert this time since the Hoggar was 80% rocky.
So, I’m wondering which city I should prioritize if I want to go there in late July–early August for the landscapes, extreme heat, and guides offering 4x4 and camel treks. Also, if there are any recommended guides for those in the know and a decent hotel.
I’m torn between Djanet, In Salah, Adrar, Ghardaïa, and Timimoun.
I’m of Algerian origin, so no visa or other formalities to worry about.
Thanks.
Hello, I’m preparing for a Tunisia-Algeria road trip.
I need to know if we can cross the Sahara to reach Djanet and Tamanrasset by road freely,
After that, obviously off-road in the desert with a guide.
What do the authorities say?
My trip: northern and southern Tunisia, a stroll in the desert.
Crossing the Tunisia-Algeria border via the Taleb Larbi customs.
I’ve already done this route through an agency, but this time we want to do it on our own.
Then heading down to Djanet for eight to fifteen days in the desert with Mouloud, a local guide.
Direction Tamanrasset: road and tracks, the mountains of the Assekrem, the Hermitage of Père de Foucauld.
Return via the Trans-Saharan Highway.
Visit to northern Algeria, then back by boat from Oran to Spain.
Dates: late December to mid-February.
We’ve got plenty of time.
If another crew is interested, we’re already two vehicles.
Looking forward to your replies.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi there,
We’ll be traveling in January 2027 in a 4x4 with a rooftop tent with our three kids, from Johannesburg to Cape Town. We’ve already booked several campsites in national parks (Golden Gate / Mountain Zebra / Addo Elephant / Garden Route).
We still need to reserve the stretch between De Hoop Nature Reserve and Cape Town. Any suggestions?
We’d love to stay around Cape Town for 5 days to explore the wine route, the peninsula, and do some hikes in Table Mountain.
Any camping recommendations? Or, on the contrary, places to avoid?
Also, we have 2 nights left near Wilderness National Park / Knysna. Any recommendations?
Thanks so much for your help!
For my 60th birthday (yes, I’m jumping the gun a bit!), I’m starting to plan a self-drive trip to Tanzania (in June).
I also considered Zimbabwe but I’m worried it might be a bit chilly at night in June.
I’ve revisited an itinerary I’d thought about before, tweaking it since I’ll have more days to dedicate to this trip. Still no big northern classics for the same reasons as before (too expensive, too crowded, too many tour operators).
Here’s what I’ve got so far:
(Arrival/departure from Kilimanjaro Airport)
Night 1: Arusha
Night 2: Arusha
Night 3: Lake Manyara
Night 4: On the way to Iringa (any ideas???)
Night 5: Iringa
Nights 6–8: Ruaha NP
Nights 9–10: Mikumi NP
Night 11: Bagamoyo
Nights 12–15: Beach
Nights 16–17: Lushoto
Nights 18–19: Mkomazi NP
Night 20: Toward Marangu – eastern Kilimanjaro
Night 21: Western Kilimanjaro
End of trip
All your ideas, tweaks, info, and suggestions on this route are welcome!
I could move one beach night somewhere else if needed.
Also, if you have a car rental company to recommend or thoughts on the bandas rented in the parks, I’m all ears!
Finally, what are the roads like in Ruaha in June? The rental company I’m looking at seems to allow this park with a small 4x4. (Off-limits: Serengeti and Natron)
We’re planning a long-term trip starting in April with our 4x4, beginning in the USA.
We’re still looking for car insurance that covers Canada and the USA.
We’ve read quite a few forums, but we’re hoping for some help (from fellow travelers).
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
Follow-up question: if they were "standard" tires, did that cause any issues on the gravel roads and rough terrain?
Thanks so much for any info you can share.
Best,
Marc
Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
