Petting a lion in South Africa?
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MI
In South Africa, over the past few years, places offering interactions with lions have exploded across the country—but mainly in the most tourist-heavy areas (well, well...).

Under various names ("reserve," "center," "park," "institute"), tourists are lured in with the chance to pet lion cubs, walk alongside lions—all for a fee, of course. Volunteers are even recruited to support the animal cause—also for a fee.

The origin story of these big cats is always noble: orphaned cubs rescued from the wild, or from terrible places, or from an injured mother that was saved. (That’s an awful lot of orphaned lion cubs... a real epidemic?)

The future of these felines is supposedly bright—either a return to the wild or retirement in a reserve.

The "center’s" activities—the rescue of these poor cubs or lions, the study of their behavior, genetic improvement, repopulating the wild, and lately, advertising.

What will the tourist do?

How can you resist the incredible opportunity to pet a lion cub, walk beside a lion, get up close without barriers, see them so near? Plus, you’re doing a good deed by funding the rescue of these magnificent animals, cared for with such dedication by these passionate people!

What have you actually just done?

What are the facts? (Conclusions from a very interesting report)

There are over 200 lion breeding farms, currently holding more than 12,000 captive felines, most of which are lions. (Up from 8,000 in recent years.) More than 800 captive lions are killed each year by hunters. Who, by the way, try to establish ethical hunting rules. Almost none of these places have any real connection to animal protection agencies or wildlife conservation scientists. It’s a commercial operation, generating over $100,000 USD/month, particularly through volunteer programs. The real rescue centers can be counted on one hand! There are no reintroduction programs for captive lions. They aren’t needed—lions don’t require captive-bred animals for reintroduction, especially not those imprinted by humans or genetically compromised. And they don’t breed, sell, or interact with the animals in any way!

(They don’t breed, trade—mostly receiving animals rather than acquiring them—or interact with the animals in any way.)

Taking a lion cub from its mother is unnatural and only done to exploit the animals, visitors, and volunteers.

(Taking lion cubs away from their mothers isn’t natural and is only done to exploit the animals and you as the visitor or volunteer.)

Obviously, the number of animals actually "rescued from the wild" is minuscule. Information provided at these places is poor, confusing, and biased—or outright false. They exploit people’s gullibility and empathy for a commercial operation under the guise of animal welfare. Under the pretense of animal protection and research, many lions end up sold to zoos. Most are sold to hunting reserves. The use of big cat bones in traditional Chinese medicine is ancient and growing rapidly—over 1,000 lions are killed each year for this purpose.

The uncomfortable questions!

* Is there interaction with the lions? * Where are the old lions? * Do you buy or sell animals? * Where do the animals come from, and where do they go? Where do all these cubs come from? * Do you have a recognized predator specialist? * If you release animals, when and where?

The right answers!

We interact minimally, if at all! They need to stay wild! The old lions are here. Never buying. Selling is extremely rare. It’d be like an animal shelter buying dogs! We have few animals, all rescued. No breeding, ever. It’d be like an animal shelter breeding dogs! Yes. Extremely rare!

It’s clear this is purely a financial operation, and there’s a 99% chance you’re participating in what I’d call a scam.

Basically, lions are bred on farms. When they’re cubs, you pay to pet them. When they’re older, you pay to walk with them or get close. And when they’re fully grown, they either become breeders on the farm or end up as targets—in a zoo, as bone powder, or worse.

Pet a lion cub, and you’re sentencing it to a lifetime in captivity or death!

The same principle applies to leopards—though not exactly to cheetahs.

Real rescue and conservation centers exist, but they’re rare. The others are everywhere.

Please, keep this in mind on your next vacation!
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
On the absolute necessity of not interacting with a lion unless you're condemning it to a life of captivity or certain death in the near future.

Wild animals have learned to flee from humans over millions of years—and thousands with Homo sapiens. Humans are the greatest predators. When they arrived on untouched lands like Australia, the Americas, or Réunion Island, they decimated animal populations within just a few years (or decades) because those animals didn’t know them.

A lion flees from humans... unless cornered or if it’s learned that it can win without too much fear.

Take the example of baboons. Don’t feed them. If you do, you’re sentencing them to death.

Why? Because they’ll understand and teach their young that food is easy to find near humans—in trash cans, cars, or even houses. Our clever baboon will learn to open doors, break into them, and steal backpacks. And a baboon has big teeth!

The same goes for lions, but on a much larger scale. Interacting with a lion teaches it not to fear humans. Releasing it afterward is impossible—you’d be unleashing a dangerous predator with no self-control into the wild! So, a lion cub that’s been petted becomes an extremely dangerous adult lion, even in a reserve. And what’s worse, the mother lion can pass this behavior on to her cubs!

What do we do with all these dangerous adult lions?

What do you think?

Example: A woman in a truly wild private reserve, breaking all the rules, decides to go alone at night to fetch her sweater from her room. Her husband doesn’t see her return. They search for her. They find her body attacked by a lion.

The lion was tracked down and killed because it might have learned that this lodge was part of its hunting territory... and could return... and not alone, either.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hello,

I applaud your initiative in posting such a message.

While reading, it occurred to me that since we can no longer practice slavery, we’ve turned to animals instead.

You can’t watch a wildlife documentary without starting with a smile and ending up in tears. A mass extinction has been underway for a long time, only slowed here and there by a few individual efforts. A major step forward—at least for Africa—would be if the Chinese finally moved away from their traditional medicine.

Unfortunately, nothing will improve without global population stagnation or decline. And good luck trying to convince people to have fewer or no children.

I’d love to be wrong, but I think we’ve already passed the point of no return.
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
At the very least, we can refuse to take part in this commercial operation!

Boycott these places—they won’t thrive if we don’t.
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Here’s a discussion that could serve as an answer to many questions posted on this forum.

The mods pinned a topic about Vietnam at the top of the messages indefinitely. Maybe they could do the same for this one in the Southern Africa section.
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

I just hope to make travelers heading to this country think twice.

I hope they’ll ask themselves questions before deciding whether or not to take part in such activities.

In this specific case, I believe (and I’m not the only one) that there’s deception toward the traveler and animal mistreatment.

This post echoes many TV reports (including a French one aired a few months ago on France 2). It also echoes travel agencies that have clearly decided to stop offering this activity, as well as numerous associations and real advocates for animal protection and preservation.

South Africa is still a country that can offer unique opportunities to discover and observe nature—the real kind (if any truly untouched nature still exists).
JE Jety34 Veteran ·
Hello,

Great initiative! Of course, we agree with you, even if animal contact might tempt a nature lover! In 8 days, we’ll be there for 6 weeks, and after several trips, we still haven’t exhausted the topic—so petting a feline? It used to happen not so long ago in France for that unforgettable PHOTO!!!! In our zoos, lion cubs and other felines are quickly taken from their mothers and often end up euthanized—it’s even worse.

Best regards and thanks for thinking to inform VF readers. Yolande and Jacky.

"Do less to see more!"
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
The moderation team has pinned a topic indefinitely at the top of the Vietnam destination messages. Perhaps they could do the same for this one in the Southern Africa section.

That’s a great idea. I don’t think the moderator would face any criticism if they supported this initiative.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Michel,

Thanks for this great initiative. This topic should definitely stay at the top of the posts. Maybe you could make a request to that effect? Also, this topic would be really useful for other destinations. In a travel journal, someone shared their walk with lions at Victoria Falls. Unfortunately, this kind of experience can give others ideas. 🙁 It’s important to raise awareness about this issue. Thanks!

Carmen
RO Rouquine38 Globetrotter ·
Hi Michel, Indeed, it’s important to raise awareness among people who might be tempted to think these reserves exist for animal conservation 🤪 😠. Thanks for taking this initiative, Isabelle
GI Gildadesiles Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Great initiative! Of course, we agree with you, even if animal contact might tempt a nature lover! In 8 days, we’ll be there for 6 weeks, and after several trips, we still haven’t exhausted the topic. Petting a feline? It used to be done not so long ago in France for that unforgettable PHOTO!!!! In our zoos, lion cubs and other felines are quickly taken from their mothers and often end up euthanized—it’s even worse.

Best regards and thanks for thinking to inform VF readers. Yolande and Jacky.

Hello,

I completely agree with the post’s initiator... However, regarding Europe and felines born in zoos, I don’t agree. These animals aren’t euthanized—they’re bred in captivity, not taken from the wild.... Major European institutions are all part of conservation, breeding, and exchange programs. Some animals will only survive thanks to these zoos.

What’s terrible is that little by little, humans, with their ever-expanding presence, are invading animal territories.... The natural balance no longer exists....
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
What’s horrifying is that little by little, humans, ever more expansive, are invading animal territories.... the natural balance no longer exists....

Totally agree, it’s absolutely horrifying! We should forcibly remove all those African populations still encroaching on wild animal territories and restore that natural balance so there’s more space for wildlife *and* for tourists eager to photograph animals! We’ve already confined the Maasai in Tanzania, the Bushmen in Botswana and Namibia, and the indigenous people of Kruger, but it’s still not enough! books.google.fr/...20kruger&f=false
PI Pir971 Veteran ·
Provocative title. 🤪

Great initiative with this post, Michel, thanks!
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
And even in Benin, the populations that lived in the Pendjari Park have been relocated to its outskirts. They aren’t "put on display" for tourists like the Maasai (whom I don’t know personally, just seen quite a few TV segments on the topic), but they’re still far from being treated fairly. It’s probably not on the same scale, but the philosophy is the same.

Pendjari has just been sold (at least its management) to a South African firm, and W Park too. That doesn’t bode well.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
and even in Benin, they relocated the populations living in the Pendjari Park to its outskirts.

Lions, even if you still can’t pet them, are still more important than those human beings we know nothing about. Anyway, these people are from another era and will be rehoused on the outskirts of a small town; they’ll surely find a way to adapt!
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Local populations aren’t displaced to create "lion zoos" as mentioned in this post. These lion farms are concentrated on private land owned by one or more individuals. Kind of like if a French farmer decided to replace their cows with lions because it’s more profitable.

As for private wildlife reserves, their goal is to protect species from humans since coexistence is impossible and ultimately leads to the extermination of the animals.

You who know Morocco, can you tell us if lions still exist there?

Should wolves and bears be exterminated for the well-being of shepherds?

Opposing animal species preservation just because it requires reducing human space is a choice that, personally, I disapprove of. I don’t want the Earth to end up with only humans and domesticated animals left.
CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
You're right, these aren't lion zoo areas, but a photo safari reserve (in Benin) next to a hunting reserve. For the local populations, "relocation" is six of one, half a dozen of the other.

As for the Africa you're talking about, it's not just lion zoos and displaced populations—there are also most of the big tourist parks, even without lions to pet.

I don’t advocate for the destruction of wolves or bears, but I also understand the concerns of livestock farmers. I wouldn’t talk about the "well-being" of shepherds... that’s a bit reductive. Pastoralism has changed its form... should we regret it or not?

I find it pretty easy to advocate for measures like shrinking human activity zones when you’re preaching these ideas from the comfort of an urban living room. I’d rather leave the priority to the people on the ground (affected populations and researchers). The debate must continue—it’s far from settled. Maybe we’ll find solutions where everyone benefits: humans and the wild animal world.

I don’t think there are still lions in Morocco. The last one was killed in 1922. Only Europeans seem to regret it. I’ve never heard a Moroccan farmer or rancher bring it up. But people will say Morocco is "behind" 😕—just like our farmers!
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Populations are not relocated to create "lion zoos" as mentioned in this post.

No, but simply to clear the spaces for animals—lions and others—of indigenous populations that are inconvenient for wildlife tourism. For indigenous peoples, whether it’s lions, elephants, giraffes, or cheetahs, it’s all the same! Did you ask the Bushmen of the Kalahari what they thought about it? Or the Maasai in Tanzania and Kenya? Everywhere wildlife reserves have been created (including Kruger!), indigenous people have been displaced, and hundreds of kilometers of barbed wire have been put up to stop them from resettling! books.google.fr/...20kruger&f=false Sorry if I care more about protecting human beings in general than the animals of the savanna.

A bit like if a French farmer decided to replace his cows with lions because they’re more profitable.

A French farmer who’d set aside an area the size of the Vercors and Chartreuse combined to let ibexes, chamois, foxes, and wolves thrive—and who, with or without state help, would expel any farmers or herders he found inconvenient for the well-being and proliferation of wild animals and 4x4 tourists—and who’d locked all this nature behind barbed wire!! "You can come in with your cameras and 4x4s, but you’ve gotta go through the gatehouse and buy your entry tickets!"
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
We're getting a bit off track... This is all very interesting, but...

The point was to highlight a practice:

The breeding of lions in near-battery-farm conditions.

Why?

To make money by allowing travelers—usually misled by the claims—to pet lions and/or walk with them. To make money by selling lions over two years old to "hunting" reserves, zoos, or circuses, or even using their bodies for "traditional medicine."

So, I was speaking out against this breeding and the misleading claims.

As for the rest...

I’d like to point out that large protected areas in South Africa (which I know well) and Namibia (which I know a little) also benefit local communities. Jobs and income, because some of these areas are managed by local communities—some have even been returned to communities that were dispossessed in the past. And benefits for the broader population, because without these spaces, would we visit these two countries in such numbers?

Most of these areas (I’m specifically talking about South Africa and Namibia) are managed as well as possible—or at least not badly—for both local people and wildlife, with a certain level of ethics (and presentations that are mostly clear and accurate).

In my opinion—but it’s just my opinion—the local populations appreciate the efforts now being made to help them live from their work and in better conditions (at least more aligned with what they want).

Why am I saying this?

I recently saw a documentary in Zululand with a "traditional village"... Zulus were working there... (it’s a bit like an eco-museum in France)... Japanese tourists thought the Zulus still lived like that. Well, no. They dress in Western clothes, have cell phones, and live in permanent houses (for the luckier ones, of course). Baviaanskloof. The expansion of the nature reserve meant some communities ended up inside it. They weren’t evicted but kept the right to live there... and are happy to have jobs (rare in that area) thanks to travelers...

Okay, I’ve gone off on a tangent too...
BA Bardamu76 Veteran ·
A simplistic and frankly dishonest analysis.

If we go down that road, the very principle of national parks or protected areas, or even historical heritage, could be called into question.

Let’s drill every oil well and mine there is to drill, farm all the land, and cut down every forest.... That’s the Trump-style vision of heritage—you’re free to think that, and people on this forum are free to believe that biodiversity and remarkable landscapes have an intrinsic value that goes beyond the mere interests of local stakeholders.

Fortunately, reality is much more complex and nuanced. If we’re talking about South Africa, the issue isn’t really a lack of land (South Africa has fewer than 50 million inhabitants for three times the area of France) but rather its distribution between white and Black populations since apartheid. As for safaris, which you don’t seem to like much (and that’s your right), it’s a growing economic sector that generates significant economic benefits, especially for local communities when well-managed (and I’d like to think that’s the case in South Africa).

I’d point you to Jane Goodall’s work—she quickly realized she could only protect chimpanzees by finding a win-win model with local populations, and today, it’s a success. I’d also point you to the work of African Parks, an NGO that takes over national parks devastated by poaching (where, oddly enough, local populations haven’t found prosperity despite the disappearance of wildlife) and rehabilitates them to create models that balance preservation and local wealth creation: https://www.african-parks.org/

I’ll close this big parenthesis (sorry, Michel) and take the opportunity to commend the original post for highlighting a real issue in tourism—one that many people fall into while convinced they’re doing good.

François

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