Bonjour, je prévois un voyage en individuel d'environ 15 jours en Chine en septembre, pour faire le circuit Pékin Pingyao Xi'an Guilin Yangshuo et Shangaï. J'aime bien le concept voyage en liberté proposé par certaines agences avec uniquement les transferts systematiques et chauffeurs et guides en option, sachant que je suis pas mal indépendant et que j'apprécie de flâner tranquillement quitte à louper un incontournable. En gros c'est surtout l'organisation logistique qui m'importe avec reservation hôtels incluses, car dans un pays où je ne connais pas la langue et n'ayant pas un bon sens de l'orientation, je veux pouvoir profiter au mieux des 2 semaines.
Là ou je rencontre un problème c'est le montant des circuits en individuel qui est pratiquement multiplié par deux chaque fois que je questionne une agence, en grande partie sous prétexte que la chambre prévue pour 2 me sera réservée à moi seul. Alors que lorsque je consulte les prix des mêmes hôtels il m'apparait que la chambre pour moi seul m'est largement accessible au niveau tarif. Bref on connait tous ça, c'est la punition du voyageur célibataire.
Ma question est : peut on envisager une formule où à chaque étape je prends quelqu'un pour les transferts et éventuellement pour certaines visites,
en organisant moi même le voyage?
Ou est ce complètement irréaliste ?
Ou avez vous des suggestions?
Merci
Hello forum,
Did any of you feel the same things we did in China?
We spent a good twenty days there in August. First, we traveled solo around Chengdu, then joined an organized tour for 12 days (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shanghai, Wuzhen) and extended our stay by 4 extra days to visit Zhangjiajie.
The landscapes were stunning, and we have unforgettable memories... but we were really disappointed by the following points:
- The food: way too spicy. Lacking in flavor, not much taste. I’m speaking "in general" because we did enjoy some good steamed dumplings, smoked pork, and other dumplings... But compared to Thailand, Cambodia, or India, Chinese cuisine didn’t impress us at all.
- The behavior of the Chinese: disrespectful, rushed, agitated. You constantly have to fight—people push, crowd, and overwhelm you... At the entrance to the Terracotta Army (and other sites), it’s a human tidal wave... and I mean that literally. We were carried by the crowd without even touching the ground. It was like a situation where you have one bowl of rice and 20,000 starving people diving for it...
You’re at a ticket counter, and they cut in front of you. You’re in line for boarding, suitcase ready to go on the conveyor belt, and someone shows up out of nowhere to put THEIR suitcase down... even though they have a flight ticket with THEIR seat number and won’t be leaving before you!!!! You’re getting on the bus, and someone shoves past you just so they don’t end up behind you.
It’s like these people only think about themselves. I didn’t see a single person let someone else go first or even ask—it’s as if politeness and respect are completely foreign to them.
It’s honestly exhausting and draining...
- Communication: In every other country we’ve visited, whether in Asia or Europe, we always manage—with English, a few words of Italian, French, or Spanish. In China, I’ll be blunt: if you don’t speak Chinese, you’re screwed. And yet, a pair of kids around ten or twelve years old asked us in English where we were from :)
- Understanding: Here’s the rule. Even if the person you’re talking to speaks a little English and says they understand you... make sure they *really* do, because 9 times out of 10, they don’t. Out of pride or just cluelessness, they’ll give you a big smile and nod, but in reality, they didn’t get what you were saying.
Several times with our group, in the evening at a restaurant, if we hadn’t been helped by someone at another table who spoke a little English, we’d still be there. The classic example: the waiter brings one menu (for 10 people at the table), and we’re all trying to explain that we need 4 or more menus. Five minutes later, he’s still staring at us with that same blank smile...
In 3* or 4* hotels, you go to the front desk for a hot water or AC issue. Three or four staff members just stand there beaming at you. You try to explain with photos or a translator, but in the end, you leave with the problem unresolved.
They don’t speak—they shout... on buses, in hotels...
We were also surprised to find that self-service laundromats were almost nonexistent. We got scammed once at a hotel with an astronomical bill!
As for flights, we flew Air China on the way there and Austrian Airlines on the way back—no comparison. Air China had zero service and food that was "baby food" quality. Austrian Airlines had multiple services, a decent meal, and smiling flight attendants.
I don’t know if any of you had the same experience in this country, but I’m definitely not eager to go back. Whereas if someone offered me India, Thailand, or Vietnam tomorrow, I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!
Did any of you feel the same things we did in China?
We spent a good twenty days there in August. First, we traveled solo around Chengdu, then joined an organized tour for 12 days (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shanghai, Wuzhen) and extended our stay by 4 extra days to visit Zhangjiajie.
The landscapes were stunning, and we have unforgettable memories... but we were really disappointed by the following points:
- The food: way too spicy. Lacking in flavor, not much taste. I’m speaking "in general" because we did enjoy some good steamed dumplings, smoked pork, and other dumplings... But compared to Thailand, Cambodia, or India, Chinese cuisine didn’t impress us at all.
- The behavior of the Chinese: disrespectful, rushed, agitated. You constantly have to fight—people push, crowd, and overwhelm you... At the entrance to the Terracotta Army (and other sites), it’s a human tidal wave... and I mean that literally. We were carried by the crowd without even touching the ground. It was like a situation where you have one bowl of rice and 20,000 starving people diving for it...
You’re at a ticket counter, and they cut in front of you. You’re in line for boarding, suitcase ready to go on the conveyor belt, and someone shows up out of nowhere to put THEIR suitcase down... even though they have a flight ticket with THEIR seat number and won’t be leaving before you!!!! You’re getting on the bus, and someone shoves past you just so they don’t end up behind you.
It’s like these people only think about themselves. I didn’t see a single person let someone else go first or even ask—it’s as if politeness and respect are completely foreign to them.
It’s honestly exhausting and draining...
- Communication: In every other country we’ve visited, whether in Asia or Europe, we always manage—with English, a few words of Italian, French, or Spanish. In China, I’ll be blunt: if you don’t speak Chinese, you’re screwed. And yet, a pair of kids around ten or twelve years old asked us in English where we were from :)
- Understanding: Here’s the rule. Even if the person you’re talking to speaks a little English and says they understand you... make sure they *really* do, because 9 times out of 10, they don’t. Out of pride or just cluelessness, they’ll give you a big smile and nod, but in reality, they didn’t get what you were saying.
Several times with our group, in the evening at a restaurant, if we hadn’t been helped by someone at another table who spoke a little English, we’d still be there. The classic example: the waiter brings one menu (for 10 people at the table), and we’re all trying to explain that we need 4 or more menus. Five minutes later, he’s still staring at us with that same blank smile...
In 3* or 4* hotels, you go to the front desk for a hot water or AC issue. Three or four staff members just stand there beaming at you. You try to explain with photos or a translator, but in the end, you leave with the problem unresolved.
They don’t speak—they shout... on buses, in hotels...
We were also surprised to find that self-service laundromats were almost nonexistent. We got scammed once at a hotel with an astronomical bill!
As for flights, we flew Air China on the way there and Austrian Airlines on the way back—no comparison. Air China had zero service and food that was "baby food" quality. Austrian Airlines had multiple services, a decent meal, and smiling flight attendants.
I don’t know if any of you had the same experience in this country, but I’m definitely not eager to go back. Whereas if someone offered me India, Thailand, or Vietnam tomorrow, I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!
Bonjour à tous,
Nous partons en Chine 4 semaines à 2 en individuel (avec nos téléphones portables et chacun notre ordi) J'oubliais on est « vieux » enfin « plus si jeunes » et pas doués en informatique. Mais on ne ne sait plus très bien comment faire « sans » !!! Plus grave encore nos adresse mails sont sur gmail.com Quelques questions qui paraîtront sans doute stupides à ceux qui « savent »
Coté Téléphone 1) Que dois-je faire : Acheter des cartes SIM chinoises et les glisser à la place des notres dans nos téléphones «smartphones ». J'imagine que j'aurais un nouveau numéro que je pourrais appeler mais que je ne serais plus joignable de France 2) Utiliser (ou acheter) un « vieux téléphone pas cher (un qui ne fait que téléphoner… ) et mettre dedans une puce chinoise Le cas échéant est-ce que je peux si besoin me servir de mon smartphone avec ma puce française pour appeler la France 3) SI je veux téléphoner en france ou recevoir des appels de France utiliser est-ce que SKYPE fonctionne en Chine ? mais dans ce cas est-ce que cela peut se faire à partir de mon compte gmail ou dois-je ouvrir un nouveau compte. Si c'est compliqué y-a-t-il une alternative à Skype (on m'a parlé de « WeChat » qui connaît et qu'en penser ???
Coté internet -Est-ce que je peux ou non continuer à utiliser mon adresse @gmail ? Ou dois-je m'ouvrir un nouveau compte.. mais dans ce cas je peux émettre mais pas recevoir ce que je reçevrais u jour le jour dans ma boite mail Si gmail est plus ou moins bloqué, d'autres fournisseurs d'accès type (@free.fr, @orange.fr, ou autre, ..) fonctionnent-ils sans problème. E si oui lesquels ?
On m'a dit que je pouvais garder mon adresse @gmail à la condition de passer par un « VPN ». Kesako ? Cela fonctionne comment ? Comment s'y « inscrire »
Coté "Outils" Y-a-t-il des alternatives chinoise (mais en français ou à défaut anglais) à « Google map » et « Google traduction » dont je me sert par habitude. Dernière question:Y-a-t-il des traducteurs pratiques du Français vers le Chinois en Idéogramme ou en « pinyin »… ou l'inverse !!!! Merci de m’éclairer un peu. Comme vous le voyez j'en ai bien besoin
On m'a dit que je pouvais garder mon adresse @gmail à la condition de passer par un « VPN ». Kesako ? Cela fonctionne comment ? Comment s'y « inscrire »
Coté "Outils" Y-a-t-il des alternatives chinoise (mais en français ou à défaut anglais) à « Google map » et « Google traduction » dont je me sert par habitude. Dernière question:Y-a-t-il des traducteurs pratiques du Français vers le Chinois en Idéogramme ou en « pinyin »… ou l'inverse !!!! Merci de m’éclairer un peu. Comme vous le voyez j'en ai bien besoin
Bonjour à tous :)
En novembre 2017 J aimerais me faire un grand trip en Asie et J aimerais donc si possible voir un max d info pour m aider à créer mon programme je vous explique ca :
J aimerais arriver en Chine visiter Pékin ét Shanghaï ( pourquoi pas aller à Hong Kong ) puis traverse toute la Chine en bus train étc ( à bas prix) visiter un peu L intérieur de la Chine en avançant petit à petit , passer par le Népal puis arrivé à New dehli en Inde et visité agra ét Jaipur ( peut être aller à Bombay) tout ca en 1 mois ... Je vais certainement utiliser le couch surfing pour dormir ét les chambres d hôte ou auberge ( je sais pas trop comment ce loger typiquement dans le centre de la Chine ) ! Pensez vous que c est possible ? Avez vous des idées pour le transport et logement ét le circuit à faire en Chine
Merci à tous
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Bonjour, étant actuellement en préparation de mon voyage solo en septembre prochain, en Chine pour 15 jours, je souhaiterais avoir quelques avis sur le parcours. J'avais prévu initialement:
Pékin 3 j (1,5 en réalité car il faut récupérer du vol de nuit et voir la muraille)
Pingyao 2 j
Xi'an 2 j
Guilin 1 j
Ping an Dazaï 2 jours
Yangshuo 3 jours
Shangaï 3 jours
A la lecture de certains récits j'ai l'impression que c'est trop et envisage de supprimer l'étape Shangaï, pour rejoindre l'aéroport de Canton depuis Yangshuo et de rajouter 2 à 3 jours à l'étape Pékinoise du début.
Qu'en pensez vous ? Je suis plutôt du genre qui aime flâner et trainer un peu plutôt que vouloir engranger pleins de souvenirs de sites. Après ce n'est pas une critique, c'est ma nature.
Merci d'avance pour vos retours
Bonjour,
Je suis étudiante en M1 tourisme et culture et je dois réfléchir à un sujet de mémoire de M2 pour l'année prochaine. Comme je suis d'origine chinoise, je pensais au tourisme français en Chine. Mais j'aimerais savoir ce qui vous motive en venant en Chine, ce que vous y recherchez ou comment vous voyagez. En vous lisant, je pense que je saurai mieux vers quoi orienter ma recherche.
Je vous remercie d'avance,
Coco
Je suis étudiante en M1 tourisme et culture et je dois réfléchir à un sujet de mémoire de M2 pour l'année prochaine. Comme je suis d'origine chinoise, je pensais au tourisme français en Chine. Mais j'aimerais savoir ce qui vous motive en venant en Chine, ce que vous y recherchez ou comment vous voyagez. En vous lisant, je pense que je saurai mieux vers quoi orienter ma recherche.
Je vous remercie d'avance,
Coco
bonjour ,
ça y est j'ai RV avec Shaolei pour prendre ma première leçon de Mandarin: en faite on va faire connaissance.
Je pars en juillet-aout 2018 sur 30 jours (à cause du visa sinon cela pourrait être 40 ou 50 jours)
avec un ami.
Mon but principal est de rencontrer les gens dans leur quotidien et plus particulièrement les ehtnies du sud ( Mao-Dong), car je pense qu'il ont su garder des valeurs ( accueil, solidarité) que la facilité de notre vie occidentale nous a fait oublié.
Je sais que l'échange avec les mots sera difficile voire impossible mais je pense aussi que tous ne passe pas par les mots ( il y a la musique, les sons, les odeurs, les émotions qui sont universels).
Par contre, je veux apprendre le minimun pour le premier pas qui est à mon avis le plus important et apprendre le minimum à faire pour ne pas blesser les gens que je vais rencontrer.
Mais là, je viens aussi vous faire part de mon désarroi pour que cela ne coûte pas trop cher.
J'ai demandé 1 devis à une agence de voyage car je n'ai pas forcément envie de me prendre la tête pour gagner 100€ mais si c'est pour en gagner 1000 là c'est autre chose.
Voilà mon programme ( pour 15 juillet-15 aout 2018 environ):
vol Montpellier-Pékin
visite cité interdite-grande muraille
nuit à Pékin
transfert en train vers Xi'an pour voir le mausolée de l'empereur Qin avec guide parlant français
nuit à Xi'an
transfert vers Guiyang
nuit à Guiyang
Et c'est là que ça commence vraiment pour moi, il nous restera au moins 20 jours pour partir à pied et en utilisant les transports locaux avec pour unique objectif de rencontrer les gens hors des sentiers touristiques.
vol retour Guiyang_Montpellier
Pour l'agence , pensez vous qu'elle peut me fournir cela pour 1000€.
Pensez vous possible de l'obtenir pour ce budget là.
Merci de vos réponses
Dominique
Bonsoir
J'ai cherché sur le net et il me semble avoir vu qu'il existait des bus (ou cars) qui partent de l'aéroport de Guilin pour aller à Yangshuo SANS PASSER par Guilin ville.
Quelqu'un ayant emprunté ce moyen de transport pourrait-il me le confirmer?
Merci!
Bonjour, comment communiquer depuis la chine ?quelle application télécharger sur mon telephone ?
Bonjour,
Nous sommes à 4 photographes (amateurs) pour effectuer un séjour autour de Shanghai, c'est à dire Wuxi, Souzhou, Hangzhou et partir ensuite pour les montagnes jaunes ou Guilin (le choix entre Huangshan et Guilin n'est pas encore fait) Environ 1 semaine dans ces trois villes et moins d'une semaine pour les Huangshan ou Guilin et pour terminer une ou deux journée à Shanghai avant de repartir pour la France.
J'ai fait un court séjour (le premier hors d'Europe) à Souzhou, Huangshan et Guilin en novembre dernier, cela m'a tellement plu que j'ai voulu en faire profiter quelques amis cette année.
Je suis à la recherche de carnets de voyage et blogs qui parlent de ces lieux et des astuces pour bien vivre ce séjour. J'en ai parcouru déjà certains
Si vous avez quelques suggestions sur des endroits précis ou généraux qui vous ont bien plu ou pas plu du tout je suis preneur
bonne semaineBonjour
Nous partons en Chine 3 semaines, en août prochain.
C'est notre 2ème voyage, nous avions déjà parcouru en 2012 (au pas de course il est vrai) les grandes attractions de ce pays BEJING - DATONG - PINGYAO - XIAN - LUOYANG - ZHENGZHOU SUZHOU - SHANGHAI - GUILIN - LONGSHENG - YANGSHUO CANTON - HONGKONG
Nous sommes 4 (avec 2 grands ados) nous avons parcouru pas mal de pays (une quarantaine), par nos propres moyens à chaque fois.
Mais là, on sèche un peu.....que faire ?
Seuls impératifs AR depuis Beijing, du temps à ZHANGJIAJIE pour le reste, je sollicite humblement le forum et ses initiés.
Nous partons en Chine 3 semaines, en août prochain.
C'est notre 2ème voyage, nous avions déjà parcouru en 2012 (au pas de course il est vrai) les grandes attractions de ce pays BEJING - DATONG - PINGYAO - XIAN - LUOYANG - ZHENGZHOU SUZHOU - SHANGHAI - GUILIN - LONGSHENG - YANGSHUO CANTON - HONGKONG
Nous sommes 4 (avec 2 grands ados) nous avons parcouru pas mal de pays (une quarantaine), par nos propres moyens à chaque fois.
Mais là, on sèche un peu.....que faire ?
Seuls impératifs AR depuis Beijing, du temps à ZHANGJIAJIE pour le reste, je sollicite humblement le forum et ses initiés.
Bonjour à vous connaisseurs de ce pays/continent,
Nous commençons à préparer notre voyage de cet été ou pour la première fois nous irons en Chine.
Nos objectifs de ce premier voyage de 30 jours (visa max)
Culture Nature et animaux (oiseaux+++ et mammifères++) Paysages "Minorités" Bouddhisme et marches du Tibet Cuisine
Pas prioritaire sur ce voyage :
Mégapoles très hauts lieux touristiques (Beijing, grande muraille, Xi' an) Grand nord, Tibet...
Donc nous nous dirigeons naturellement vers
Yunnan Sichuan Guizhou Guangxi
Mais là... que privilégier ?
Merci de nous donner vos coups de cœurs.
Yann et Anne PS: nous avons l'habitude de voyager, les trajets longs et pas forcement confortables ne nous font pas (trop) peur.
Culture Nature et animaux (oiseaux+++ et mammifères++) Paysages "Minorités" Bouddhisme et marches du Tibet Cuisine
Pas prioritaire sur ce voyage :
Mégapoles très hauts lieux touristiques (Beijing, grande muraille, Xi' an) Grand nord, Tibet...
Donc nous nous dirigeons naturellement vers
Yunnan Sichuan Guizhou Guangxi
Mais là... que privilégier ?
Merci de nous donner vos coups de cœurs.
Yann et Anne PS: nous avons l'habitude de voyager, les trajets longs et pas forcement confortables ne nous font pas (trop) peur.
Bonjour à toutes et à tous,
Je suis nouvelle ici. Je vais bientôt arriver à Hanoï au Vietnam et je demanderai un visa pour la Chine là-bas. On m'a dit que je pourrais obtenir 45 jours 🙂, mais j'aimerais ensuite prolonger en Chine. Vous savez si c'est facile et de combien de jours je pourrais bénéficier alors ?
Pour mon itinéraire, je souhaite visiter une Chine avec peu de touristes (occidentaux ou Chinois) et je suis plutôt nature et petites villes. Et comme je suis italienne, j'aime surtout le soleil 😎.Pour la fin de mon voyage, je compte rejoindre la Mongolie par voie de terre. Est-ce que vous auriez des idées de trajet(s) entre Hanoï et Beijing ou Erenhot ?
Merci d'avance mes (nouveaux) amis !
Albinia
Je suis nouvelle ici. Je vais bientôt arriver à Hanoï au Vietnam et je demanderai un visa pour la Chine là-bas. On m'a dit que je pourrais obtenir 45 jours 🙂, mais j'aimerais ensuite prolonger en Chine. Vous savez si c'est facile et de combien de jours je pourrais bénéficier alors ?
Pour mon itinéraire, je souhaite visiter une Chine avec peu de touristes (occidentaux ou Chinois) et je suis plutôt nature et petites villes. Et comme je suis italienne, j'aime surtout le soleil 😎.Pour la fin de mon voyage, je compte rejoindre la Mongolie par voie de terre. Est-ce que vous auriez des idées de trajet(s) entre Hanoï et Beijing ou Erenhot ?
Merci d'avance mes (nouveaux) amis !
Albinia
Bonjour,
Pouvez -vous me dire s'il existe plusieurs bus dans la journée pour aller de Xinjie à Jianshui ?
Merci d'avance.
Pouvez -vous me dire s'il existe plusieurs bus dans la journée pour aller de Xinjie à Jianshui ?
Merci d'avance.
Bonjour,
Nous projetons un séjour dans le Yunnan en février prochain. Les guides et les blogs que nous avons pu lire suggèrent plus ou moins toujours les mêmes itinéraires, tous bons plans ou tuyaux qui nous permettraient de voir autre chose, seraient les bienvenus !
Nous avons cependant quelques questions précises:
- La région de Baoshan et ses environs ( Tengchong, Luxi, Ruili etc ..) vu le détour, vaut-elle le déplacement ?
- Comment est la route entre Jinghong et Baoshan ? Je précise que nous disposons d'un véhicule. Peut-on trouver des endroits où dormir car la distance est importante ?
- Nous aimerions suivre la vallée de la Nu river, mais apparemment c'est un cul de sac si l'on remonte jusqu'à Bingzhonghuo ... alors à quel niveau pourrat-on trouver une route pour rejoindre Lijiang et éviter une aller-retour / perte de temps ?
Voilà, c'est tout pour le moment ;-)
Merci beaucoup pour tous renseignements, itinéraires ( nous avons à peu près un mois pour visiter le Yunnan), endroits inconnus des touristes etc ... Bonne journée à tous.
Nous projetons un séjour dans le Yunnan en février prochain. Les guides et les blogs que nous avons pu lire suggèrent plus ou moins toujours les mêmes itinéraires, tous bons plans ou tuyaux qui nous permettraient de voir autre chose, seraient les bienvenus !
Nous avons cependant quelques questions précises:
- La région de Baoshan et ses environs ( Tengchong, Luxi, Ruili etc ..) vu le détour, vaut-elle le déplacement ?
- Comment est la route entre Jinghong et Baoshan ? Je précise que nous disposons d'un véhicule. Peut-on trouver des endroits où dormir car la distance est importante ?
- Nous aimerions suivre la vallée de la Nu river, mais apparemment c'est un cul de sac si l'on remonte jusqu'à Bingzhonghuo ... alors à quel niveau pourrat-on trouver une route pour rejoindre Lijiang et éviter une aller-retour / perte de temps ?
Voilà, c'est tout pour le moment ;-)
Merci beaucoup pour tous renseignements, itinéraires ( nous avons à peu près un mois pour visiter le Yunnan), endroits inconnus des touristes etc ... Bonne journée à tous.
We just spent three weeks in Yunnan.
I’ve started writing up a travel journal about the trip.
Bonjoir
Nous serons à Chengdu du 22 septembre au 29 septembre. Je voudrais savoir dans quel quartier il faut choisir l'hôtel. Je pense que le mieux est centre ville ou à défaut très proche d'une station de métro. Ou dans la vieille ville si toutefois elle existe car plusieurs messages semblent dire qu'il n'y a pas de vieux quartiers à Chengdu...
Le projet est aussi d'aller à Leshan, la journée suffira-t-elle ou bien devons-nous envisager une nuit vers Leshan?
Le système d'irrigation de Dujiangyuan? Cela vaut-il le déplacement?
Dernière question: j'aime bien me promener dans la campagne chinoise, dans les petits villages pas touristiques, y en a-t-il proches de Chengdu?je pensais prendre un bus (lequel?) et me rendre un peu au hasard dans la campagne. Des infos là-dessus?
Merci de toutes vos suggestions à venir!
Bonjour,
Je serais à Yangshuo pendant plusieurs jours prochainement et je devrais aller à Guilin assez rapidement. Je cherche donc à faire le trajet Yangshuo-Guilin le plus rapidement possible. Avez-vous des suggestions? Merci beaucoup pour votre aide, mes meilleurs messages!
Bonjour,
Je sais que Facebook, Messenger, Twitter sont bloqués en Chine. Du coup, quelle messagerie instantanée utilisez-vous pour communiquer avec vos proches notamment pour un petit coucou vidéo ?
WhatsApp ?
Merci !
Fabrice
Bonjour,
Avec mon mari on part dans une semaine en chine pour plus de 2 semaines. Les enfants reste à la maison avec mamie. Nous pensions prendre des nouvelle via facebook ou whatsapp mais d'après ce que je lis sur le net c'est bloqué en chine. On parle de VPN (j'y connais rien en informatique). j'ai un iphone 5c et je ne sais pas si je dois installer quelque chose avant de partir ou pas ?
Avec mon mari on part dans une semaine en chine pour plus de 2 semaines. Les enfants reste à la maison avec mamie. Nous pensions prendre des nouvelle via facebook ou whatsapp mais d'après ce que je lis sur le net c'est bloqué en chine. On parle de VPN (j'y connais rien en informatique). j'ai un iphone 5c et je ne sais pas si je dois installer quelque chose avant de partir ou pas ?
Bonjour, en Avril, le détour Kunming pour Dongchuan (Les terres rouges )est il intessant au niveau des couleurs
ou bien vaut il mieux aller aux rizières de Yuanyuan.Si l'on ne peut faire les 2; Que choisir ??? Le spectacle est il interessant en avril à Yuanyan.?
Merci ludi
ou bien vaut il mieux aller aux rizières de Yuanyuan.Si l'on ne peut faire les 2; Que choisir ??? Le spectacle est il interessant en avril à Yuanyan.?
Merci ludi
bonjour à tous !
en pleine préparation de voyage pour novembre 2016 , je découvre ce matin que Larung Gar est en train de se faire raser pour réduire l effectif monacal et laisser place à une route.
http://www.tibet-info.net/www/La-demolition-a-commence-au-centre.html#.V_Nkw_mLSM8
triste
en pleine préparation de voyage pour novembre 2016 , je découvre ce matin que Larung Gar est en train de se faire raser pour réduire l effectif monacal et laisser place à une route.
http://www.tibet-info.net/www/La-demolition-a-commence-au-centre.html#.V_Nkw_mLSM8
triste
Hi everyone,
This trip report covers a journey along the Silk Road in China (see detailed description below) undertaken in October 2025. The goal isn’t to recount the trip but to provide information that might help those who want to take a similar journey. Much of the information is valid for any trip to China.
Who we are: a retired couple, aged 63 and 65 (age gives discounts on entry to various sites and museums in China, which is why I won’t list prices here—I don’t know them, but you can easily find them online). We’re used to traveling independently. We speak English, which is the only foreign language spoken in China, though by very few people. I speak and read a little Chinese, which helped, but you can easily get by without it (without any English at all, I think it would be more difficult).
Period: We arrived just after "Golden Week," when all of China is on vacation, and after the summer, when schools are out, so we encountered very few tourists (99.99% of whom were Chinese). Our experience with booking visits in advance (which we didn’t need to do) isn’t representative for those who want to travel in the summer! The October-November period was perfect for our trip—it wasn’t too hot or too cold (one day of snow on the Tibetan Plateau), though it was only a few degrees on the Tibetan part, with altitudes between 2,000 and 3,000 meters. The trees were beautifully colored.
General remarks: Everyone we dealt with was very kind and perfectly honest. If you order a meal without really understanding what to do and the person modifies your order, trust them—the result is what you need. If a taxi driver signals that they’ll wait for you to finish your visit and pick you up afterward, trust them. It means there aren’t many taxis where you are, and it’ll be more convenient. For prices at street vendors, we always found the right ballpark, and sometimes they even added a little extra to please us. A taxi driver treated us to lunch, and an employee drove us back to the hotel after a visit because there were no taxis. If you struggle to buy a ticket online because there’s no counter, someone will come to help. People even spontaneously ask if everything’s okay and if you need anything.
Everywhere we went was very clean, including restrooms (trains, stations, hotels, museums, tourist sites) and streets. The old stereotypes about this no longer apply.
The trip can be challenging for those who have difficulty walking. The distances to cover on foot in stations, to access sites, and within the sites themselves can sometimes be really long.
We used the Lonely Planet guide in English (published at the end of August 2025) a little for preparation, but mostly relied on the internet.
Before leaving: No visa is needed for French citizens for stays under 30 days. You get a stamp on your passport upon arrival and departure, and the formalities themselves are very quick in both directions (excluding any potential queues). Just a photo and fingerprints upon arrival, and welcome to China’s facial recognition system.
Money: All your payments (see below) will go through your Visa card—there will be hundreds, including many payments of 20 cents to a few euros. So, you need an international option that allows unlimited card transactions. Since cash is rarely needed, the allowed number of ATM withdrawals can be low. We made 3 withdrawals totaling 800 € for a month and could have managed with just 2. The exchange rate charged on our Visa card was 12 € for 100 RMB (yuan).
Install the following apps on your smartphone before leaving (otherwise, you’ll only have access to the Chinese versions, if available): - Alipay, which is used to pay everywhere in China (details below). You need to link it to your credit card, then provide proof of identity by uploading a passport photo and completing a facial recognition session. Alipay gives access to Didi (China’s Uber), public transport (metro/bus), and can also translate phrases. - WeChat (Weixin in Chinese, pronounced *weishin*), which is also used for payments but also replaces WhatsApp. Unfortunately, to activate your account, you need someone who already has WeChat to sponsor you (preferably a Chinese person). We asked someone at our first accommodations to do this—no problem. By sharing your WeChat number with accommodations, they can send you messages that are automatically translated, and you can communicate with people thanks to the translation (translation to French is very poor; it’s much better in English, but unfortunately, WeChat detects your phone’s language). Alipay and WeChat are accepted almost everywhere, but some places only accept WeChat. - Amap, the international version of Baidu Maps, which replaces Google Maps (not at all up-to-date in China). The English names of hotels often have little to do with the Chinese names except for a phonetic resemblance. To find them on Amap, it’s best to copy the Chinese name found on your Trip reservation under "show address in Chinese." - A VPN. We had CyberGhost, which didn’t work, but according to other travelers, NordVPN and Windscribe do. Without a VPN, you can’t access Google services, on WhatsApp you can send and receive text but not photos, and you can’t send or receive emails on Gmail addresses. We managed without a VPN by using Firefox as a browser and Bing as a search engine. - Trip, for booking trains and accommodations, and buying some tickets. It’s the equivalent of Booking for accommodations, but Booking has very few listings in China, while Trip has hundreds in every city. Most hotels and trains are exchangeable and refundable until the day before, with no or minimal fees.
You don’t need contactless (NFC) payment on your phone. Either you scan a barcode and enter the amount to pay, or you display a barcode, and they scan it with a scanner, and the amount is deducted directly.
Upon arrival: - Buy a Chinese SIM card: 100 RMB for 300 GB of data and several hours of talk time (we didn’t use it). Set the Chinese number as a reference on Alipay, WeChat, and Amap. - Find someone to sponsor you on WeChat.
Transportation: - **Plane**: China Eastern, Paris-Canton then Canton-Urumqi on the way out, and Xian-Canton then Canton-Paris on the way back. International flights were smooth, but the schedules for the two domestic flights were changed. It was fine on the way out because we had some leeway, but on the way back, we were notified the morning of that our flight was canceled and replaced with one that didn’t allow for the connection. We called and changed to an earlier flight (I think we were lucky to find available seats). - **Train**: Most long distances were covered by high-speed trains (called D or G in China) at 240 or 300 km/h. Second class is perfect—just as comfortable and clean as our TGVs. The only advantage of first class is the wider seats for larger people, but the downside is that seats are often booked in advance and thus less available. You can book trains long in advance on Trip, but they only go on sale in China 15 days before departure, so that’s when you’ll know if you have a ticket. Initially, we booked first class, but there were no seats available on the day, so we ended up booking everything in second class, which was perfect. There’s no paper ticket—if you’ve bought one, you go to the station, show your passport, and enter. You do the same to access the platform 15 minutes before the train, and that’s it. Our train was canceled twice, but no problem—we went to the ticket counter, got a refund, and were offered a replacement. It didn’t delay us by more than an hour (maybe it would be harder in peak season). For prices, check Trip.com, but it’s significantly cheaper than in France. - **Bus**: We took the bus between Xining and Tongren, Tongren to Xiahe, and Hezuo to Lanzhou—about 3 hours each time for 200 km, 6 € per person, and departures were right on time. - **Taxi**: For trips between the station and hotel, or hotel and visits. If you take a Didi via the Alipay app, you activate your location, enter your destination, and it offers several taxis. You accept, and you get the car’s license plate and its real-time position on the map. When you get in, the driver often asks for the last four digits of your phone number to confirm. Otherwise, you go to the taxi stand outside the station. The price per kilometer is around 20 cents, so for a 30 km trip from the station to the hotel, you’ll pay about 6 €. We never tried to save more by taking local buses, but since the metro in Xian costs 25 cents per trip, it’s probably in the same ballpark. Amap provides public transport routes like Google Maps. - **Driver**: We hired a taxi/driver for the day several times for sightseeing. Prices ranged from 350 to 1,000 RMB (the most expensive was arranged through the Sofitel Xining concierge) for trips ranging from a few hours to a full day, sometimes covering over 300 km (see the detailed trip description).
Accommodations: All booked in advance on Trip, but several were changed during the trip. Off-season, there were no issues. We mostly stayed in upscale places, but in China, that means 50 to 60 € per night in the most central or convenient neighborhood. Note: Almost all hotels have a 5/5 rating on Trip, but it seems the Chinese avoid giving lower ratings to be polite. So, you have to read the comments to realize that in France, we might have given a 2 or 3!
Food: At the table, you’re served hot water or a hot infusion, presumably made with purified water. We never got sick from drinking it, but don’t drink tap water. Purified or mineral water is easy to find.
In restaurants, you can manage by pointing to the dish you want from another diner, on the wall where there are photos, or on the menu with pictures. The food in the region isn’t often spicy, and people usually ask or signal before adding the red spicy sauce, so you should be able to handle it if you don’t like chili at all.
The "fake old quarters" in several cities are great places to find all kinds of restaurants (see detailed trip below).
Like Google Maps, Amap can show you nearby restaurants.
Shopping: For dried fruits, buy them in Turfan—you won’t find the same variety and quality even in Xian. Generally, if you like something, buy it. If you wait, you might not find it outside the region where you are.
In Xian, there’s a "Tea City" where you can find all kinds of tea (from cheap to very expensive).
The trip in more detail: I won’t dwell on the beauty or interest of the sites here since that’s a matter of personal taste. However, I will do so for lesser-known places to give an idea to those who might be interested.
For many sites, there are shuttles (sometimes not included in the ticket price but costing around 1 €) that take you to the interesting spots. We always took them—it saves you from walking past countless shops or along uninteresting paths.
- **Urumqi**: We spent only one night there, arriving in the middle of the afternoon and leaving the next morning. We stayed at the Dana Hotel in the bazaar. Given the size of the city, it’s a good option because I don’t think there are many other interesting places. The bazaar is brand new and not at all "typical" (Turfan’s bazaar is infinitely more interesting), but the dining area is very nice.
- **Turfan**: Stayed at the New Dap Hostel, which was great. The neighborhood is nice, not far from the city, and easy to find food. The museum is closed until 2026 (Amap provides museum hours and closures). We took a day trip (for the two of us) with a driver to the Bezeklik Caves, Flaming Mountains, the abandoned city of Gaochang, the Tuyuk Village Museum, and the Emin Minaret for 500 RMB from 9 AM to 8 PM (arranged by the hostel). The landscape during the excursion was quite fabulous. We also visited the Karez Museum and the abandoned city of Jiaohe on our own the next day. At this time of year, the sun sets around 6 PM, and there’s often haze after 5 PM, so for Jiaohe, for example, which takes about 3 hours to visit, it’s best to be there by 1 or 2 PM at the latest.
The Dahua Market area is perfect for dried fruits (including the famous grapes), and you can eat there among locals in their traditional costumes. Next to it, there are buildings full of shops selling made-in-China items—it kept us busy for a good half-day, if not more.
- **Dunhuang**: Stayed in a guesthouse near the dunes—the city center isn’t far but seems quite artificial. Visited the dunes, with a ticket valid for 3 days. Lots of Chinese tourists—very typical and interesting from an ethnological perspective 😊. We got up early one morning to climb the highest dune, just beyond the one everyone goes to. It’s a bit long and tiring, but the view is worth it. Visited the Mogao Caves, buying the ticket on-site (no chance in season without booking in advance). We met two other French people and got a French-speaking guide (by pretending not to understand English). It was really worth it—a group of 4 instead of 20, and they took their time (2 hours) for the visit. We took a day trip to the Yulin Caves (2.5 hours by road and 160 km one way) with a driver for 350 RMB. We liked it a lot, but if the Mogao Caves are enough for you, it’s not very different.
- **Jiayuguan**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Wei and Jin tombs (actually just one)—that’s where we were told the taxi should wait to take us back to the city. We went down into a crypt with lots of decorated bricks from the 3rd century. We really liked it, but it’s not as spectacular as the fort if you’re not a fan. Visited the Jiayuguan Fort and, with the same ticket, climbed a small section of the Great Wall 10 km away. Plan at least 3 good hours for all this—there’s plenty to see.
- **Zhangye**: Stayed at The Silk Road Travelers Hostel, rustic but very nice and organizes excursions. Visited the Danxia (colored mountains)—just as spectacular as the photos. You can easily spend 3 hours there, so plan to finish before sunset to avoid the haze (you can always stay longer for the sunset if the weather’s nice). The next day, visited the Mati Si Temple in the cliff. The 10,000 Buddha Caves are under renovation, but the setting and the main temple are well worth the visit (the paths through the cliff tunnels must be hellish in peak season). You can probably organize these two excursions yourself by asking any taxi driver. Also visited the Giant Buddha Temple in the city center—really worth it.
- **Xining**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Tibetan Medicine Museum to see the world’s largest thangka (1 km long), made over 40 years by renowned artists. It’s absolutely magnificent, on par with the virtuosity (but over 1 km) of the thangkas painted by famous artists in Xiahe (see below). Hired a female taxi driver for the day to visit Kumbum Monastery (Ta’er Si in Chinese) and the Danxia area in Guide, 50 km beyond the monastery. It’s less spectacular than Zhangye’s Danxia, but we really liked it (including the journey’s landscape). The next day, visited the old Ming-era Qutan Monastery—no visitors, with beautiful murals (half under renovation). Accessible by train to Haidong or Ledu, then a taxi. Xining’s mosque is of no interest, but there’s a pedestrian street with food stalls nearby that’s very nice.
- **Tongren**: Stayed near the main monastery. Visited Longwu Monastery (several hours), with lots of nice shops along the street leading to it. Then visited Wutun Monastery, which is less lively but beautiful and close to thangka workshops. You can go in and watch the painters at work. For a thangka made by a renowned artist, count about a year of work for 1 m² and around 10,000 €.
- **Xiahe**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited Labrang Monastery—very nice but not as much as Tongren’s because many halls were closed. I think it’s better to go in season and take an English-guided tour (but it’s still worth the trip, even off-season).
- **Langmusi**: Took a taxi, but you can also take a bus (though very early in the morning and longer). Particularly beautiful for us because we woke up to bright sunshine and 5 cm of snow everywhere. Visited the two temples (really nice) and did the classic hike in the gorges starting at the Fairy Cave. For those interested, we continued along the canyon path, and after the meadow where marmots are clearly visible in summer, we climbed toward a pass on the left at 3,800 meters. The view of Langmusi and, above all, the vast grasslands and distant mountains was fabulous (3 hours round trip from the temple). You could probably reach the 4,000-meter summit by continuing up the valley instead of turning left, but according to guides, it’s better to count 7 hours round trip (no technical difficulty). You can leave Langmusi by bus, but off-season, you first have to take a taxi to a stop outside the city and wait for the bus. We didn’t try and took a taxi to Hezuo instead.
Note on this region: A high-speed train is under construction from Xining to Langmusi and beyond (never seen such an impressive construction site!). When it’s operational (in one or two years, I think), access to the area will be revolutionized, and perhaps some of the charm will be lost.
- **Hezuo**: Stopped on the way from Langmusi to Lanzhou. Visited the Milarepa Pagoda, entirely destroyed during the Cultural Revolution and since rebuilt. We liked it since we were passing through, but it doesn’t necessarily justify a long detour.
- **Lanzhou**: Reached by one of the many buses from Hezuo. Stayed in the "fake old quarter," which is extremely pleasant, especially in the evening with restaurants, groups of Chinese women dancing to loud music, etc. Visited Bingling Si with a driver, 120 km away—the landscape and site are absolutely magnificent, with no one around at our time of year. Visited the Gansu Museum (where the famous Flying Horse is, but it’s a replica). We bought the ticket on entry, but in season, you probably need to book in advance.
- **Yinchuan**: Stayed in the city center. A city we discovered by chance in the Lonely Planet—worth it if you have time. On the way, we stopped for a few hours in Zhongwei, where there’s an incredible Taoist temple (I’ll let you be surprised). Visited the Western Xia tombs—we took the short option, which visits Tomb 3. We think the others are similar but less impressive. The surrounding landscape and site are quite spectacular. Visited the film sets (really fun if you like Chinese movies), the short but interesting Ningxia Museum, and finally the modern art museum. The architecture is avant-garde, and there are some beautiful works (we like it, but it’s far from the center—hire a driver who waits, or you might have to wait for an employee to offer a ride back).
- **Tianshui**: Stayed in the suburbs, but you should find a hotel near the "fake old quarter" between the Fu Xi Temples and the Taoist temple—it’s a very nice area, and the two temples (especially the Taoist one) are within walking distance. Visited the Maijishan Caves—the ticket includes the shuttle to get there. Took a taxi from Lanzhou for about 10 € in 45 minutes. We found these caves fabulous.
- **Xi’an**: Stayed 500 meters from the Bell Tower at Hantang Inn—very convenient. We’d been before, so we didn’t revisit the Terracotta Army. The calligraphy district is worth it, as is the Muslim Quarter, though it’s very touristy. The area indicated on the Lonely Planet’s walking tour near the old fruit and vegetable market isn’t very interesting. To buy tea, you can go to the Northwest International Tea City, with dozens of shops. We chose one at random, tasted, and bought various teas. There’s everything from cheap to extremely expensive, but you can find reasonable prices even in seemingly luxurious shops. Along the street north of this area, there are large stores with tons of Chinese goods selling dishes, wedding items, etc. We spent hours there. In the city center, there are only malls with more or less international brands.
- **Longmen Grottoes**: Visited as a round trip by high-speed train from Xian—1 hour 15 minutes to Longmen’s high-speed train station, and the site entrance is 15 minutes by taxi.
We didn’t go to Mount Hua Shan, but there’s a high-speed train station nearby, and there were people on the train who were clearly going there. So, you can probably do this excursion in a day from Xian as well.
Conclusion: We hope this report makes you want to go or helps you if you’re already planning to. If you have questions that you can’t find the answer to by searching properly online and we can answer, don’t hesitate.
This trip report covers a journey along the Silk Road in China (see detailed description below) undertaken in October 2025. The goal isn’t to recount the trip but to provide information that might help those who want to take a similar journey. Much of the information is valid for any trip to China.
Who we are: a retired couple, aged 63 and 65 (age gives discounts on entry to various sites and museums in China, which is why I won’t list prices here—I don’t know them, but you can easily find them online). We’re used to traveling independently. We speak English, which is the only foreign language spoken in China, though by very few people. I speak and read a little Chinese, which helped, but you can easily get by without it (without any English at all, I think it would be more difficult).
Period: We arrived just after "Golden Week," when all of China is on vacation, and after the summer, when schools are out, so we encountered very few tourists (99.99% of whom were Chinese). Our experience with booking visits in advance (which we didn’t need to do) isn’t representative for those who want to travel in the summer! The October-November period was perfect for our trip—it wasn’t too hot or too cold (one day of snow on the Tibetan Plateau), though it was only a few degrees on the Tibetan part, with altitudes between 2,000 and 3,000 meters. The trees were beautifully colored.
General remarks: Everyone we dealt with was very kind and perfectly honest. If you order a meal without really understanding what to do and the person modifies your order, trust them—the result is what you need. If a taxi driver signals that they’ll wait for you to finish your visit and pick you up afterward, trust them. It means there aren’t many taxis where you are, and it’ll be more convenient. For prices at street vendors, we always found the right ballpark, and sometimes they even added a little extra to please us. A taxi driver treated us to lunch, and an employee drove us back to the hotel after a visit because there were no taxis. If you struggle to buy a ticket online because there’s no counter, someone will come to help. People even spontaneously ask if everything’s okay and if you need anything.
Everywhere we went was very clean, including restrooms (trains, stations, hotels, museums, tourist sites) and streets. The old stereotypes about this no longer apply.
The trip can be challenging for those who have difficulty walking. The distances to cover on foot in stations, to access sites, and within the sites themselves can sometimes be really long.
We used the Lonely Planet guide in English (published at the end of August 2025) a little for preparation, but mostly relied on the internet.
Before leaving: No visa is needed for French citizens for stays under 30 days. You get a stamp on your passport upon arrival and departure, and the formalities themselves are very quick in both directions (excluding any potential queues). Just a photo and fingerprints upon arrival, and welcome to China’s facial recognition system.
Money: All your payments (see below) will go through your Visa card—there will be hundreds, including many payments of 20 cents to a few euros. So, you need an international option that allows unlimited card transactions. Since cash is rarely needed, the allowed number of ATM withdrawals can be low. We made 3 withdrawals totaling 800 € for a month and could have managed with just 2. The exchange rate charged on our Visa card was 12 € for 100 RMB (yuan).
Install the following apps on your smartphone before leaving (otherwise, you’ll only have access to the Chinese versions, if available): - Alipay, which is used to pay everywhere in China (details below). You need to link it to your credit card, then provide proof of identity by uploading a passport photo and completing a facial recognition session. Alipay gives access to Didi (China’s Uber), public transport (metro/bus), and can also translate phrases. - WeChat (Weixin in Chinese, pronounced *weishin*), which is also used for payments but also replaces WhatsApp. Unfortunately, to activate your account, you need someone who already has WeChat to sponsor you (preferably a Chinese person). We asked someone at our first accommodations to do this—no problem. By sharing your WeChat number with accommodations, they can send you messages that are automatically translated, and you can communicate with people thanks to the translation (translation to French is very poor; it’s much better in English, but unfortunately, WeChat detects your phone’s language). Alipay and WeChat are accepted almost everywhere, but some places only accept WeChat. - Amap, the international version of Baidu Maps, which replaces Google Maps (not at all up-to-date in China). The English names of hotels often have little to do with the Chinese names except for a phonetic resemblance. To find them on Amap, it’s best to copy the Chinese name found on your Trip reservation under "show address in Chinese." - A VPN. We had CyberGhost, which didn’t work, but according to other travelers, NordVPN and Windscribe do. Without a VPN, you can’t access Google services, on WhatsApp you can send and receive text but not photos, and you can’t send or receive emails on Gmail addresses. We managed without a VPN by using Firefox as a browser and Bing as a search engine. - Trip, for booking trains and accommodations, and buying some tickets. It’s the equivalent of Booking for accommodations, but Booking has very few listings in China, while Trip has hundreds in every city. Most hotels and trains are exchangeable and refundable until the day before, with no or minimal fees.
You don’t need contactless (NFC) payment on your phone. Either you scan a barcode and enter the amount to pay, or you display a barcode, and they scan it with a scanner, and the amount is deducted directly.
Upon arrival: - Buy a Chinese SIM card: 100 RMB for 300 GB of data and several hours of talk time (we didn’t use it). Set the Chinese number as a reference on Alipay, WeChat, and Amap. - Find someone to sponsor you on WeChat.
Transportation: - **Plane**: China Eastern, Paris-Canton then Canton-Urumqi on the way out, and Xian-Canton then Canton-Paris on the way back. International flights were smooth, but the schedules for the two domestic flights were changed. It was fine on the way out because we had some leeway, but on the way back, we were notified the morning of that our flight was canceled and replaced with one that didn’t allow for the connection. We called and changed to an earlier flight (I think we were lucky to find available seats). - **Train**: Most long distances were covered by high-speed trains (called D or G in China) at 240 or 300 km/h. Second class is perfect—just as comfortable and clean as our TGVs. The only advantage of first class is the wider seats for larger people, but the downside is that seats are often booked in advance and thus less available. You can book trains long in advance on Trip, but they only go on sale in China 15 days before departure, so that’s when you’ll know if you have a ticket. Initially, we booked first class, but there were no seats available on the day, so we ended up booking everything in second class, which was perfect. There’s no paper ticket—if you’ve bought one, you go to the station, show your passport, and enter. You do the same to access the platform 15 minutes before the train, and that’s it. Our train was canceled twice, but no problem—we went to the ticket counter, got a refund, and were offered a replacement. It didn’t delay us by more than an hour (maybe it would be harder in peak season). For prices, check Trip.com, but it’s significantly cheaper than in France. - **Bus**: We took the bus between Xining and Tongren, Tongren to Xiahe, and Hezuo to Lanzhou—about 3 hours each time for 200 km, 6 € per person, and departures were right on time. - **Taxi**: For trips between the station and hotel, or hotel and visits. If you take a Didi via the Alipay app, you activate your location, enter your destination, and it offers several taxis. You accept, and you get the car’s license plate and its real-time position on the map. When you get in, the driver often asks for the last four digits of your phone number to confirm. Otherwise, you go to the taxi stand outside the station. The price per kilometer is around 20 cents, so for a 30 km trip from the station to the hotel, you’ll pay about 6 €. We never tried to save more by taking local buses, but since the metro in Xian costs 25 cents per trip, it’s probably in the same ballpark. Amap provides public transport routes like Google Maps. - **Driver**: We hired a taxi/driver for the day several times for sightseeing. Prices ranged from 350 to 1,000 RMB (the most expensive was arranged through the Sofitel Xining concierge) for trips ranging from a few hours to a full day, sometimes covering over 300 km (see the detailed trip description).
Accommodations: All booked in advance on Trip, but several were changed during the trip. Off-season, there were no issues. We mostly stayed in upscale places, but in China, that means 50 to 60 € per night in the most central or convenient neighborhood. Note: Almost all hotels have a 5/5 rating on Trip, but it seems the Chinese avoid giving lower ratings to be polite. So, you have to read the comments to realize that in France, we might have given a 2 or 3!
Food: At the table, you’re served hot water or a hot infusion, presumably made with purified water. We never got sick from drinking it, but don’t drink tap water. Purified or mineral water is easy to find.
In restaurants, you can manage by pointing to the dish you want from another diner, on the wall where there are photos, or on the menu with pictures. The food in the region isn’t often spicy, and people usually ask or signal before adding the red spicy sauce, so you should be able to handle it if you don’t like chili at all.
The "fake old quarters" in several cities are great places to find all kinds of restaurants (see detailed trip below).
Like Google Maps, Amap can show you nearby restaurants.
Shopping: For dried fruits, buy them in Turfan—you won’t find the same variety and quality even in Xian. Generally, if you like something, buy it. If you wait, you might not find it outside the region where you are.
In Xian, there’s a "Tea City" where you can find all kinds of tea (from cheap to very expensive).
The trip in more detail: I won’t dwell on the beauty or interest of the sites here since that’s a matter of personal taste. However, I will do so for lesser-known places to give an idea to those who might be interested.
For many sites, there are shuttles (sometimes not included in the ticket price but costing around 1 €) that take you to the interesting spots. We always took them—it saves you from walking past countless shops or along uninteresting paths.
- **Urumqi**: We spent only one night there, arriving in the middle of the afternoon and leaving the next morning. We stayed at the Dana Hotel in the bazaar. Given the size of the city, it’s a good option because I don’t think there are many other interesting places. The bazaar is brand new and not at all "typical" (Turfan’s bazaar is infinitely more interesting), but the dining area is very nice.
- **Turfan**: Stayed at the New Dap Hostel, which was great. The neighborhood is nice, not far from the city, and easy to find food. The museum is closed until 2026 (Amap provides museum hours and closures). We took a day trip (for the two of us) with a driver to the Bezeklik Caves, Flaming Mountains, the abandoned city of Gaochang, the Tuyuk Village Museum, and the Emin Minaret for 500 RMB from 9 AM to 8 PM (arranged by the hostel). The landscape during the excursion was quite fabulous. We also visited the Karez Museum and the abandoned city of Jiaohe on our own the next day. At this time of year, the sun sets around 6 PM, and there’s often haze after 5 PM, so for Jiaohe, for example, which takes about 3 hours to visit, it’s best to be there by 1 or 2 PM at the latest.
The Dahua Market area is perfect for dried fruits (including the famous grapes), and you can eat there among locals in their traditional costumes. Next to it, there are buildings full of shops selling made-in-China items—it kept us busy for a good half-day, if not more.
- **Dunhuang**: Stayed in a guesthouse near the dunes—the city center isn’t far but seems quite artificial. Visited the dunes, with a ticket valid for 3 days. Lots of Chinese tourists—very typical and interesting from an ethnological perspective 😊. We got up early one morning to climb the highest dune, just beyond the one everyone goes to. It’s a bit long and tiring, but the view is worth it. Visited the Mogao Caves, buying the ticket on-site (no chance in season without booking in advance). We met two other French people and got a French-speaking guide (by pretending not to understand English). It was really worth it—a group of 4 instead of 20, and they took their time (2 hours) for the visit. We took a day trip to the Yulin Caves (2.5 hours by road and 160 km one way) with a driver for 350 RMB. We liked it a lot, but if the Mogao Caves are enough for you, it’s not very different.
- **Jiayuguan**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Wei and Jin tombs (actually just one)—that’s where we were told the taxi should wait to take us back to the city. We went down into a crypt with lots of decorated bricks from the 3rd century. We really liked it, but it’s not as spectacular as the fort if you’re not a fan. Visited the Jiayuguan Fort and, with the same ticket, climbed a small section of the Great Wall 10 km away. Plan at least 3 good hours for all this—there’s plenty to see.
- **Zhangye**: Stayed at The Silk Road Travelers Hostel, rustic but very nice and organizes excursions. Visited the Danxia (colored mountains)—just as spectacular as the photos. You can easily spend 3 hours there, so plan to finish before sunset to avoid the haze (you can always stay longer for the sunset if the weather’s nice). The next day, visited the Mati Si Temple in the cliff. The 10,000 Buddha Caves are under renovation, but the setting and the main temple are well worth the visit (the paths through the cliff tunnels must be hellish in peak season). You can probably organize these two excursions yourself by asking any taxi driver. Also visited the Giant Buddha Temple in the city center—really worth it.
- **Xining**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Tibetan Medicine Museum to see the world’s largest thangka (1 km long), made over 40 years by renowned artists. It’s absolutely magnificent, on par with the virtuosity (but over 1 km) of the thangkas painted by famous artists in Xiahe (see below). Hired a female taxi driver for the day to visit Kumbum Monastery (Ta’er Si in Chinese) and the Danxia area in Guide, 50 km beyond the monastery. It’s less spectacular than Zhangye’s Danxia, but we really liked it (including the journey’s landscape). The next day, visited the old Ming-era Qutan Monastery—no visitors, with beautiful murals (half under renovation). Accessible by train to Haidong or Ledu, then a taxi. Xining’s mosque is of no interest, but there’s a pedestrian street with food stalls nearby that’s very nice.
- **Tongren**: Stayed near the main monastery. Visited Longwu Monastery (several hours), with lots of nice shops along the street leading to it. Then visited Wutun Monastery, which is less lively but beautiful and close to thangka workshops. You can go in and watch the painters at work. For a thangka made by a renowned artist, count about a year of work for 1 m² and around 10,000 €.
- **Xiahe**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited Labrang Monastery—very nice but not as much as Tongren’s because many halls were closed. I think it’s better to go in season and take an English-guided tour (but it’s still worth the trip, even off-season).
- **Langmusi**: Took a taxi, but you can also take a bus (though very early in the morning and longer). Particularly beautiful for us because we woke up to bright sunshine and 5 cm of snow everywhere. Visited the two temples (really nice) and did the classic hike in the gorges starting at the Fairy Cave. For those interested, we continued along the canyon path, and after the meadow where marmots are clearly visible in summer, we climbed toward a pass on the left at 3,800 meters. The view of Langmusi and, above all, the vast grasslands and distant mountains was fabulous (3 hours round trip from the temple). You could probably reach the 4,000-meter summit by continuing up the valley instead of turning left, but according to guides, it’s better to count 7 hours round trip (no technical difficulty). You can leave Langmusi by bus, but off-season, you first have to take a taxi to a stop outside the city and wait for the bus. We didn’t try and took a taxi to Hezuo instead.
Note on this region: A high-speed train is under construction from Xining to Langmusi and beyond (never seen such an impressive construction site!). When it’s operational (in one or two years, I think), access to the area will be revolutionized, and perhaps some of the charm will be lost.
- **Hezuo**: Stopped on the way from Langmusi to Lanzhou. Visited the Milarepa Pagoda, entirely destroyed during the Cultural Revolution and since rebuilt. We liked it since we were passing through, but it doesn’t necessarily justify a long detour.
- **Lanzhou**: Reached by one of the many buses from Hezuo. Stayed in the "fake old quarter," which is extremely pleasant, especially in the evening with restaurants, groups of Chinese women dancing to loud music, etc. Visited Bingling Si with a driver, 120 km away—the landscape and site are absolutely magnificent, with no one around at our time of year. Visited the Gansu Museum (where the famous Flying Horse is, but it’s a replica). We bought the ticket on entry, but in season, you probably need to book in advance.
- **Yinchuan**: Stayed in the city center. A city we discovered by chance in the Lonely Planet—worth it if you have time. On the way, we stopped for a few hours in Zhongwei, where there’s an incredible Taoist temple (I’ll let you be surprised). Visited the Western Xia tombs—we took the short option, which visits Tomb 3. We think the others are similar but less impressive. The surrounding landscape and site are quite spectacular. Visited the film sets (really fun if you like Chinese movies), the short but interesting Ningxia Museum, and finally the modern art museum. The architecture is avant-garde, and there are some beautiful works (we like it, but it’s far from the center—hire a driver who waits, or you might have to wait for an employee to offer a ride back).
- **Tianshui**: Stayed in the suburbs, but you should find a hotel near the "fake old quarter" between the Fu Xi Temples and the Taoist temple—it’s a very nice area, and the two temples (especially the Taoist one) are within walking distance. Visited the Maijishan Caves—the ticket includes the shuttle to get there. Took a taxi from Lanzhou for about 10 € in 45 minutes. We found these caves fabulous.
- **Xi’an**: Stayed 500 meters from the Bell Tower at Hantang Inn—very convenient. We’d been before, so we didn’t revisit the Terracotta Army. The calligraphy district is worth it, as is the Muslim Quarter, though it’s very touristy. The area indicated on the Lonely Planet’s walking tour near the old fruit and vegetable market isn’t very interesting. To buy tea, you can go to the Northwest International Tea City, with dozens of shops. We chose one at random, tasted, and bought various teas. There’s everything from cheap to extremely expensive, but you can find reasonable prices even in seemingly luxurious shops. Along the street north of this area, there are large stores with tons of Chinese goods selling dishes, wedding items, etc. We spent hours there. In the city center, there are only malls with more or less international brands.
- **Longmen Grottoes**: Visited as a round trip by high-speed train from Xian—1 hour 15 minutes to Longmen’s high-speed train station, and the site entrance is 15 minutes by taxi.
We didn’t go to Mount Hua Shan, but there’s a high-speed train station nearby, and there were people on the train who were clearly going there. So, you can probably do this excursion in a day from Xian as well.
Conclusion: We hope this report makes you want to go or helps you if you’re already planning to. If you have questions that you can’t find the answer to by searching properly online and we can answer, don’t hesitate.
Bonjour à tous,
Mon fils compte se rendre à Hong Kong et ensuite aller en Chine. Je voudrais vous demander si la situation à Hong Kong n'est pas un peu risquée, avec tout ce qu'on entend. Et pour la Chine, est-ce qu'il pourra facilement utiliser sa messagerie (il a un compte gmail).
Merci de vos réponses,
Momo
Mon fils compte se rendre à Hong Kong et ensuite aller en Chine. Je voudrais vous demander si la situation à Hong Kong n'est pas un peu risquée, avec tout ce qu'on entend. Et pour la Chine, est-ce qu'il pourra facilement utiliser sa messagerie (il a un compte gmail).
Merci de vos réponses,
Momo
Bonjour
Nous prévoyons de partir en Chine vers de 20 aout 2019 - en couple - 2 mois de voyage
Dans les 70 ans et en forme aimons découverte des minorités, randonnées, paysages époustouflants, hors des sentiers battus pas les touristes et rencontres avec les habitants et les bons petits plats chinois !
Cela parait introuvable avec les TO reconnus !!!!
Hôtels de luxes à proscrire - simplicité - propreté - confort requis
Aimerions trouver celui ou celle ayant fait ce voyage pouvant nous aider dans nos destinations et capable de répondre à notre curiosité
A l'avance MERCI
bonjour
j'ai l'intention de visiter l'armée de terre cuite et les tombeaux impérieux autour de xian.
Je n'arrive pas à touver d'où partent les bus touristiques 3,4,5 permettant d'y aller. Je crains beaucoup que le foule rende difficile de prendre ces bus ou nécessite une longue atttente. Je pense rderver une auberge de jeunesse dans le centre de la vieille ville qui me semble désormais reliée par metro à la gare des trains à grande vitesse (xian nord)
Bonjour, je crée ce forum pour but de comprendre mon problème.
J’ai un correspondant Chinois depuis plusieurs mois et j’ai fais l’envoie de trois lettres dont un colis et une lettre suivie mais aucunes n’est parvenue à bon port.
Je me suis renseignée auprès d’une résidente de Chine et elle m’a dit que la Chine ne recevait plus que 20% des lettres étrangères..
Le problème est que nous ayons plus aucuns moyens de communication que par lettres.
Est-ce que certains d’entre vous qui ont effectué des envoies pour la Chine récemment ?
Merci d’avance.
Quelqu'un a des nouvelles récentes d'eux ? Ca fait plusieurs jours que j'essaie de les joindre pour un voyage au Tibet début septembre, silence radio. Pendant ce temps-là, le temps passe. Sinon, vous connaissez d'autres agences sérieuses pour le Tibet ?
Merci d'avance
Merci d'avance
Bonjour,
Nous sommes allés en Chine en 2016 et nous avions beaucoup de difficulté à nous connecter à l'internet. Il me semble que j'ai lu qu''il fallait télécharger un programme ou autre pour y accéder.
Nous serons au Yunnan en avril .
Merci de vos réponses
