Bonjour
Nous pensons partir un mois en avril au Yunnan. Nous sommes un couple de retraités habitués à voyager seuls, sac à dos et bus locaux, nombreux voyages en Asie et Amérique du sud.
Après des recherches infructueuses, j'ai trouvé une combinaison de vols avec Cathay Pacific à un prix correct : 620 euros et j'aimerais ne pas tarder à réserver car nous serons à la limite des vacances chinoises.
Idéalement : Paris-Kunming le 27 mars avec retour Kunming-HK le 26 avril ( 30 jours sur place du visa ) et HK-Paris le 30 avril.
C'est la solution la plus simple, tout est réservé et payé, si nous nous limitons au Yunnan. Mais en 30 jours sur place, pouvons-nous envisager un élargissement au Sichuan dans la 2ème partie du séjour avant de rejoindre HK ? Durée ?
Allons-nous trop courir ? Nous aimons tout : paysages grandioses, villages, villes anciennes, culture, populations.
Comment articuler les 2 régions ? Nous commencerions par le Yunnan à cause des rizières et du climat.
Dans ce cas, ce n'est plus de Kunming qu'il faut repartir.
Ce qui me soucie, c'est la réservation des vols internes qui ne peut se faire maintenant et qui peuvent être complets à cette période.
Le plus important est le vol de Chine continentale à HK pour quitter le pays le 30ème jour. Celui-ci, je veux le réserver maintenant. Et la question est donc : repartir de Kunming ? ou d'ailleurs si le temps et la météo nous permettent d'aller au Sichuan ?
Nous ne parlons pas chinois. De temps en temps, quand un tour est trop compliqué, nous pouvons prendre un guide local pour 1 ou 2 jours.
Visa : est- ce vrai que l'on ne peut le prendre que moins de 30 jours avant ? Obligation d'aller à Paris ? et pour le reprendre ? Ce court délai est un peu stressant s'il y a un problème.
Merci beaucoup pour vos conseils à venir.
Bien cordialement.
Vulcanie
Bonjour,
je m'adresse à vous car je pense réaliser cette année mon premier voyage en Chine (probablement seul). Je vais partir lors de la dernière semaine du mois d'aout (j'envisage 8 jours pleins), pour des raisons personnelles.
Et là se pose la première question : où aller ? Pour cette période de temps, j'hésite entre Pékin et Shanghai.
Pour Pékin, j'imagine rester sur place, avec des excursions pour les tombeaux des Ming et la grande muraille, et pourquoi pas une visite au dehors. Je pensais à Chengde. Niveau timing, est-ce bon ? Y a t-il des "meilleures" choses dans les environs de Pékin ?
J'ai pensé à Shanghai car j'aimerai bien voir à la fois le côté moderne, traditionnel et naturel de la Chine. Ainsi, voir un village d'eau et aller marcher au Montagnes jaunes. Seulement, est-ce que je ne vais pas m'ennuyer en 8 jours ? Y a t-il des destinations à ajouter ?
Je tiens à dire qu'étant un peu court financièrement, je n'envisage pas de vols internes.
Voilà l'état de mes réflexions. Quel serait votre avis, vos conseils ? Y a t-il des paramètres que je n'ai pas pris en compte à cette période ?
Merci beaucoup, dans l'attente de vous lire :)
je m'adresse à vous car je pense réaliser cette année mon premier voyage en Chine (probablement seul). Je vais partir lors de la dernière semaine du mois d'aout (j'envisage 8 jours pleins), pour des raisons personnelles.
Et là se pose la première question : où aller ? Pour cette période de temps, j'hésite entre Pékin et Shanghai.
Pour Pékin, j'imagine rester sur place, avec des excursions pour les tombeaux des Ming et la grande muraille, et pourquoi pas une visite au dehors. Je pensais à Chengde. Niveau timing, est-ce bon ? Y a t-il des "meilleures" choses dans les environs de Pékin ?
J'ai pensé à Shanghai car j'aimerai bien voir à la fois le côté moderne, traditionnel et naturel de la Chine. Ainsi, voir un village d'eau et aller marcher au Montagnes jaunes. Seulement, est-ce que je ne vais pas m'ennuyer en 8 jours ? Y a t-il des destinations à ajouter ?
Je tiens à dire qu'étant un peu court financièrement, je n'envisage pas de vols internes.
Voilà l'état de mes réflexions. Quel serait votre avis, vos conseils ? Y a t-il des paramètres que je n'ai pas pris en compte à cette période ?
Merci beaucoup, dans l'attente de vous lire :)
Bonjour à tous,
Je reviens sur le Forum avec une autre discussion que le Sichuan et donc une nouvelle proposition d'itinéraire... car j'ai peur que le Sichuan soit trop compliqué et cher.
Du coup j'ai pensé à l'itinéraire suivant sur 2 ou 3 semaines à définir en fonction de vos commentaires en partie :
PARIS PEKIN
PEKIN XIAN
XIAN SHANGHAI (vol interne)
SHANGHAI GUILIN (vol interne) YANSHUO
YANGSHUO LONGSHENG
RETOUR PARIS...de quel aéroport... aucune idée...
L'itinéraire vous parait il faisable ? Ces vols internes semblent moins cher que pour le Sichuan... Le problème vient un peu du fait d'arriver à Pékin et de ne pas repartir forcément de cette ville... un départ de GUILIN est peut être possible!
Merci de vos retours:)
Je reviens sur le Forum avec une autre discussion que le Sichuan et donc une nouvelle proposition d'itinéraire... car j'ai peur que le Sichuan soit trop compliqué et cher.
Du coup j'ai pensé à l'itinéraire suivant sur 2 ou 3 semaines à définir en fonction de vos commentaires en partie :
PARIS PEKIN
PEKIN XIAN
XIAN SHANGHAI (vol interne)
SHANGHAI GUILIN (vol interne) YANSHUO
YANGSHUO LONGSHENG
RETOUR PARIS...de quel aéroport... aucune idée...
L'itinéraire vous parait il faisable ? Ces vols internes semblent moins cher que pour le Sichuan... Le problème vient un peu du fait d'arriver à Pékin et de ne pas repartir forcément de cette ville... un départ de GUILIN est peut être possible!
Merci de vos retours:)
We’re a retired French couple.
We’ve just spent 4 weeks in China:
- 1. Exploring Yunnan in a group (12 people); a journey that took us from the Vietnamese border in the south to the edges of Tibet in the north.
- 2. A private trip to Guizhou with just a driver.
We’re absolutely delighted with what we discovered: a modern country with excellent infrastructure (especially the low level of urban pollution thanks to the high number of electric vehicles, the absence of diesel, and no noisy motorbikes in these two less industrialized provinces), friendly Chinese people who were always ready to help us when we had difficulties or questions, and a rich natural and cultural heritage.
The language barrier remains the biggest challenge, despite instant translation tools.
For both trips, we booked through the agency CIELCHINE, which we highly recommend.
The value for money is unbeatable.
The services were luxurious, especially for us since we usually travel alone on a tight budget for accommodation and food.
The agency’s staff were perfectly competent and, what’s more, warm and welcoming.
For Yunnan, our guide SEBASTIEN, who was experienced and knowledgeable, won everyone over.
In Guizhou, our driver HUANG was professionally flawless and guided us through villages he knows well. Friendly and full of humor, he’d spontaneously talk to people he met, which made us be treated with much more kindness and allowed us to exchange a few basic words.
As you can see, I haven’t ticked anything negative—not because I’m hiding anything or have any ulterior motive, but because I’m completely satisfied and the experience even exceeded all my expectations.
Bonjour à tous,
Je me permets d'écrire sur le forum car j'ai pour projet de partir eux voire trois semaines en Chine l'été prochain. J'aimerai savoir en fonction de vos expériences respectives quel parcours peut être intéressant à faire ? (Pékin, Changhai, Hong Kong...?)
Je suis ouverte à toute proposition : grande ville et petite ville d'escale...
Merci de votre retour :)
Je me permets d'écrire sur le forum car j'ai pour projet de partir eux voire trois semaines en Chine l'été prochain. J'aimerai savoir en fonction de vos expériences respectives quel parcours peut être intéressant à faire ? (Pékin, Changhai, Hong Kong...?)
Je suis ouverte à toute proposition : grande ville et petite ville d'escale...
Merci de votre retour :)
Bonjour à tous,
Je réfléchis déjà à notre prochain voyage en famille en 2019. La Chine nous attire beaucoup pour la diversité des paysages. En quelques mots, nous sommes une famille de 4 avec nos deux filles qui auront 19 et 17 ans, les découvertes des paysages et de la faune sont nos centres d'intérêts principaux, mais nous aimons également découvrir la culture du pays. Pas le choix pour la période, cela sera juillet ou août... impossible sinon de partir 3 semaines d'affilée et je pense que c'est un minimum pour un premier voyage !
Voici la première ébauche d'itinéraire :
3 nuits Pékin, transfert à Xi'an en train (Grande muraille, cité interdite, etc) 2 nuits Xi'an, transfert à Chengdu en train (armée souterraine, vieille ville, etc) 3 nuits Chengdu, transfert à Lijiang en avion (Bouddha Leshan, Dujiangyan pour les pandas) 2 nuits Lijiang, transfert à Dali en voiture, taxi possible ? (Blue Moon Valley, etc) 2 nuits Dali, transfert à Kunming en train (Lac Erhai, temple, village Xizjou) 1 nuit Kunming, transfert à Guilin en avion, (forêt de pierres) 2 nuits Guilin (rizières Longji, village Pingan, croisière jusqu'à Yangshuo sur la rivière Li) 3 nuits Yangshuo (ou autre ?) visite tranquille de la région (colline des couleurs accumulée, radeau, etc)
Ensuite, je ne sais pas... soit
3 nuits Shanghaï ou 3 nuits Hong Kong
ou encore
2 nuits Zhangjiajie (ça serait super !) 3 nuits Shanghaï
Là cela ferait 23 nuits, c'est possible dans le planning. Zhangjiajie a l'air magnifique mais je n'arrive pas à savoir si c'est possible. et comment y aller ! Est-ce que ce parcours serait imaginable sans passer par une agence ? J'ai demandé un devis et c'est vraiment très cher... nous avons l'habitude d'organiser nos vacances par nous-mêmes, mais là, il me semble que c'est plus compliqué que pour d'autres pays.
Un grand merci pour votre aide et avis. Bonne journée à tous.
Je réfléchis déjà à notre prochain voyage en famille en 2019. La Chine nous attire beaucoup pour la diversité des paysages. En quelques mots, nous sommes une famille de 4 avec nos deux filles qui auront 19 et 17 ans, les découvertes des paysages et de la faune sont nos centres d'intérêts principaux, mais nous aimons également découvrir la culture du pays. Pas le choix pour la période, cela sera juillet ou août... impossible sinon de partir 3 semaines d'affilée et je pense que c'est un minimum pour un premier voyage !
Voici la première ébauche d'itinéraire :
3 nuits Pékin, transfert à Xi'an en train (Grande muraille, cité interdite, etc) 2 nuits Xi'an, transfert à Chengdu en train (armée souterraine, vieille ville, etc) 3 nuits Chengdu, transfert à Lijiang en avion (Bouddha Leshan, Dujiangyan pour les pandas) 2 nuits Lijiang, transfert à Dali en voiture, taxi possible ? (Blue Moon Valley, etc) 2 nuits Dali, transfert à Kunming en train (Lac Erhai, temple, village Xizjou) 1 nuit Kunming, transfert à Guilin en avion, (forêt de pierres) 2 nuits Guilin (rizières Longji, village Pingan, croisière jusqu'à Yangshuo sur la rivière Li) 3 nuits Yangshuo (ou autre ?) visite tranquille de la région (colline des couleurs accumulée, radeau, etc)
Ensuite, je ne sais pas... soit
3 nuits Shanghaï ou 3 nuits Hong Kong
ou encore
2 nuits Zhangjiajie (ça serait super !) 3 nuits Shanghaï
Là cela ferait 23 nuits, c'est possible dans le planning. Zhangjiajie a l'air magnifique mais je n'arrive pas à savoir si c'est possible. et comment y aller ! Est-ce que ce parcours serait imaginable sans passer par une agence ? J'ai demandé un devis et c'est vraiment très cher... nous avons l'habitude d'organiser nos vacances par nous-mêmes, mais là, il me semble que c'est plus compliqué que pour d'autres pays.
Un grand merci pour votre aide et avis. Bonne journée à tous.
Appel à tous!!
Je voyagerai seule durant 18 jours en avril et mon itinéraire pour le moment ressemble à ça.
Shanghai 3 nuits. Suzhou 2 nuits Nanjing 2 nuits Huangshan (monts Jaunes) 4 nuits Hangzhou 2 nuits ile Putuo 3 nuits Shanghai 2 nuits
J'aime prendre mon temps et voir des paysages ce qui explique mes choix. Est-ce que le nombres de jours vous semblent adéquats? Est-ce que je passe à coté de quelques choses dans cette ces régions? Un gros merci. Vos commentaires sur comment visiter le Mont- Jaune sont vraiment bienvenues.
Autres questions: quel VPN dois-je telecharger avant le départ? Et pour le cellulaire, que faites en vous Chine? Concernant la vaccination, je suis plutôt méfiante. Selon vous, y a t il des vaccins essentiels? Et les risques de malaria? Conseillez vous le ferry pour ile Putuo? Quel quartier habiter à Suzhou pour bien ressentir l'ambiance? Pour mes amis québécois, est-ce que la demande de Visa est facile? Est-ce vrai qu'il faut montrer des preuves de réservations d'hotel pour faire la demande? Et combien de temps à l'avance? Beaucoup de questions. Et beaucoup de fébrilité à préparer ce super voyage :)
Un gros merci à tous à l'avance. Manon
Shanghai 3 nuits. Suzhou 2 nuits Nanjing 2 nuits Huangshan (monts Jaunes) 4 nuits Hangzhou 2 nuits ile Putuo 3 nuits Shanghai 2 nuits
J'aime prendre mon temps et voir des paysages ce qui explique mes choix. Est-ce que le nombres de jours vous semblent adéquats? Est-ce que je passe à coté de quelques choses dans cette ces régions? Un gros merci. Vos commentaires sur comment visiter le Mont- Jaune sont vraiment bienvenues.
Autres questions: quel VPN dois-je telecharger avant le départ? Et pour le cellulaire, que faites en vous Chine? Concernant la vaccination, je suis plutôt méfiante. Selon vous, y a t il des vaccins essentiels? Et les risques de malaria? Conseillez vous le ferry pour ile Putuo? Quel quartier habiter à Suzhou pour bien ressentir l'ambiance? Pour mes amis québécois, est-ce que la demande de Visa est facile? Est-ce vrai qu'il faut montrer des preuves de réservations d'hotel pour faire la demande? Et combien de temps à l'avance? Beaucoup de questions. Et beaucoup de fébrilité à préparer ce super voyage :)
Un gros merci à tous à l'avance. Manon
Hi there,
A quick recap of our 19-day trip to China – classic itinerary, half-family: dad and 13-year-old son, August 2025.
Arrived in Shanghai, the idea was to explore the city in the evening to help with jet lag. Day 1: Maglev (50 CNY), then metro to the hotel, night cruise on the Huangpu River, admiring the skyline. Day 2: Yuyuan Garden (meh), Lujiazui district, sunset from the top of Jinmao Tower, stroll along the Bund, admiring the skyline. Day 3: Chaos at the Shanghai Museum – should’ve booked in advance. Backup plan: Longhua Temple (nice), Tianzi Fang district (great). Day 4: Aquarium (okay), Pearl Tower, Fake Market (top), then flight to Guilin. Taxi from Guilin to Yangshuo (400 CNY arranged by the hotel). Verdict: Maybe one day too many. Late mornings (jet lag) kept us from visiting the water town. Day 5: Yangshuo – scooter ride (40 CNY) along the Yulong River. Day 6: Early Didi (30 min) to the top of Xiang Gong Shan (ideally for sunrise). Then a walk through the countryside to the Li River, crossing by boat (10 CNY) to Xingping. You can shorten the walk by flagging down a mini-shuttle that shuttles Chinese tourists in the opposite direction. Explored Xingping, scooter ride, 20 CNY viewpoint, sunset from Laozhai Hill, back to Yangshuo. Day 7: Scooter ride to spots we missed on Day 5. Verdict: It’s stunning. Might be worth staying in Guilin the first night and booking a cruise to Yangshuo the next day on the Li River. Day 8: Bus (4/5h, 100 CNY) to Longji/Dazhai. Hotel in Tianzhouzai – I think it’s better to stay in Ping’an, it’s more typical. Dazhai is generally overdeveloped. Day 9: Full-day hike from Dazhai to Ping’an, then bus back to Dazhai. Super nice walk, only crossed paths with 4 people. Day 10: Walk around the top of Dazhai, but the trails are poorly maintained – no loop possible. Verdict: Gorgeous, probably one day too many, but the area is very rainy, so it’s good to have a buffer. Day 11: Private taxi (4/5h, 200 €) to Fenghuang. Explored the town in the evening – really nice. Day 12: Short visit to Fenghuang during the day, then train to Zhangjiajie and Wulingyuan. Hotel pool. Day 13: Early start: Zhangjiajie Park via Wulingyuan entrance, Route A (starting with the cable car). Fabulous. If I did it again, I’d take Route B to get early access to the section near the giant elevator. Day 14: Early start: Zhangjiajie Park via the south entrance – superb. Day 15: Wulingyuan Grand Canyon, glass bridge – nice but not essential. Day 16: Tianmen Mountain in the afternoon. You can leave your luggage at the entrance. Routes A and B sell out quickly. Note that Route C no longer uses buses to the top – there’s a brand-new cable car instead, which I think is actually better than A and B. Really nice, worth doing. Evening flight to Beijing. Verdict: The canyon could be done the same morning as Tianmen Mountain, or even skipped. Day 17: Visited the Forbidden City (book a week in advance!), missed the entry slot for Tiananmen Square (book in advance!) due to security checks. Visited the Lama Temple. Stayed in a hutong. Day 18: Great Wall at Mutianyu. Private taxi (100 € round trip – probably overpaid) to arrive before 7 AM. Then back to Beijing, Temple of Heaven, and finally the modest skyline from the mall at Guomao metro station. Day 19: Fake markets (pointless – they’re stripped of their usual goods compared to Shanghai’s), Summer Palace, then Wangfujing Street. Headed to the airport. Verdict: 3 days is too short for Beijing.
Overall impressions: Highlights: Incredible places (cities and landscapes), often vast and fascinating, a total change of scenery. Very easy and smooth to travel despite the clear language barrier. Excellent food, very affordable, very few scams. Lowlights: Intense heat and humidity in August, *way* too many tourists (99.9% Chinese), a real circus that makes the trip exhausting. Walking is tiring in the long run (even though we’re very active) because it’s all on stone paths and stairs. To avoid crowds, you’d need to wake up early every day – tough with kids, especially with jet lag.
Logistics: - Buses and private taxis arranged last-minute through hotels. - Didi is widely available everywhere, plentiful, and cheap. - Flights and trains booked on Trip.com a month in advance (fills up fast). - Hotels on Booking and Trip.com. Only the one in Yangshuo was booked well in advance – hotel capacity is huge everywhere. - Apps: Didi, Alipay, WeChat, Maps.me, Google Translate. Free 35 GB data plan, SIM card from the airport.
A quick recap of our 19-day trip to China – classic itinerary, half-family: dad and 13-year-old son, August 2025.
Arrived in Shanghai, the idea was to explore the city in the evening to help with jet lag. Day 1: Maglev (50 CNY), then metro to the hotel, night cruise on the Huangpu River, admiring the skyline. Day 2: Yuyuan Garden (meh), Lujiazui district, sunset from the top of Jinmao Tower, stroll along the Bund, admiring the skyline. Day 3: Chaos at the Shanghai Museum – should’ve booked in advance. Backup plan: Longhua Temple (nice), Tianzi Fang district (great). Day 4: Aquarium (okay), Pearl Tower, Fake Market (top), then flight to Guilin. Taxi from Guilin to Yangshuo (400 CNY arranged by the hotel). Verdict: Maybe one day too many. Late mornings (jet lag) kept us from visiting the water town. Day 5: Yangshuo – scooter ride (40 CNY) along the Yulong River. Day 6: Early Didi (30 min) to the top of Xiang Gong Shan (ideally for sunrise). Then a walk through the countryside to the Li River, crossing by boat (10 CNY) to Xingping. You can shorten the walk by flagging down a mini-shuttle that shuttles Chinese tourists in the opposite direction. Explored Xingping, scooter ride, 20 CNY viewpoint, sunset from Laozhai Hill, back to Yangshuo. Day 7: Scooter ride to spots we missed on Day 5. Verdict: It’s stunning. Might be worth staying in Guilin the first night and booking a cruise to Yangshuo the next day on the Li River. Day 8: Bus (4/5h, 100 CNY) to Longji/Dazhai. Hotel in Tianzhouzai – I think it’s better to stay in Ping’an, it’s more typical. Dazhai is generally overdeveloped. Day 9: Full-day hike from Dazhai to Ping’an, then bus back to Dazhai. Super nice walk, only crossed paths with 4 people. Day 10: Walk around the top of Dazhai, but the trails are poorly maintained – no loop possible. Verdict: Gorgeous, probably one day too many, but the area is very rainy, so it’s good to have a buffer. Day 11: Private taxi (4/5h, 200 €) to Fenghuang. Explored the town in the evening – really nice. Day 12: Short visit to Fenghuang during the day, then train to Zhangjiajie and Wulingyuan. Hotel pool. Day 13: Early start: Zhangjiajie Park via Wulingyuan entrance, Route A (starting with the cable car). Fabulous. If I did it again, I’d take Route B to get early access to the section near the giant elevator. Day 14: Early start: Zhangjiajie Park via the south entrance – superb. Day 15: Wulingyuan Grand Canyon, glass bridge – nice but not essential. Day 16: Tianmen Mountain in the afternoon. You can leave your luggage at the entrance. Routes A and B sell out quickly. Note that Route C no longer uses buses to the top – there’s a brand-new cable car instead, which I think is actually better than A and B. Really nice, worth doing. Evening flight to Beijing. Verdict: The canyon could be done the same morning as Tianmen Mountain, or even skipped. Day 17: Visited the Forbidden City (book a week in advance!), missed the entry slot for Tiananmen Square (book in advance!) due to security checks. Visited the Lama Temple. Stayed in a hutong. Day 18: Great Wall at Mutianyu. Private taxi (100 € round trip – probably overpaid) to arrive before 7 AM. Then back to Beijing, Temple of Heaven, and finally the modest skyline from the mall at Guomao metro station. Day 19: Fake markets (pointless – they’re stripped of their usual goods compared to Shanghai’s), Summer Palace, then Wangfujing Street. Headed to the airport. Verdict: 3 days is too short for Beijing.
Overall impressions: Highlights: Incredible places (cities and landscapes), often vast and fascinating, a total change of scenery. Very easy and smooth to travel despite the clear language barrier. Excellent food, very affordable, very few scams. Lowlights: Intense heat and humidity in August, *way* too many tourists (99.9% Chinese), a real circus that makes the trip exhausting. Walking is tiring in the long run (even though we’re very active) because it’s all on stone paths and stairs. To avoid crowds, you’d need to wake up early every day – tough with kids, especially with jet lag.
Logistics: - Buses and private taxis arranged last-minute through hotels. - Didi is widely available everywhere, plentiful, and cheap. - Flights and trains booked on Trip.com a month in advance (fills up fast). - Hotels on Booking and Trip.com. Only the one in Yangshuo was booked well in advance – hotel capacity is huge everywhere. - Apps: Didi, Alipay, WeChat, Maps.me, Google Translate. Free 35 GB data plan, SIM card from the airport.
Bonjour
Nous sommes un couple de 66 et 58 ans
Nous avons décidé cette année de partir en Chine 1 mois.
Nous comptons atterrir à Shanghaï où une amie chinoise réside et nous accueille. Puis nous pensons nous rendre à Pékin par TGV puis Xi'an et finir la dernière quinzaine dans le Yunnan et Gangxi .
Qui peut nous conseiller une agence sérieuse en Chine qui nous fournirait un véhicule avec chauffeur et nous conseiller sur les découvertes hors sentiers battus mais pas de randonnées de plusieurs jours (pas la santé pour le faire, dommage !).
Qui pourrait nous conseiller des Hôtels (pas d'usine à touristes) ou guesthouses sympas et confortables.
Qui pourrait nous dire des sites à surtout ne pas manquer, des restos pittoresques....
Merci d'avance aux voyageurs
Nous pouvons de notre côté vous faire profiter de nos expériences au Chili, au Pérou, en Bolivie, en Inde du nord, au Canada, au Vietnam, Cambodge, Myanmar, Thaïlande, Laos, Etats unis, Île de la réunion
Merci à tous
Nous pouvons de notre côté vous faire profiter de nos expériences au Chili, au Pérou, en Bolivie, en Inde du nord, au Canada, au Vietnam, Cambodge, Myanmar, Thaïlande, Laos, Etats unis, Île de la réunion
Merci à tous
Yangshuo est une ville très touristique, avec l'avantage qu'on y parle souvent anglais, et l'inconvénient des quantités de touristes chinois et autre qui y circulent. L'environnement est très joli ça mérite un détour, et j'y vais régulièrement pour prendre des cours de chinois et de taichi. L'école s'appelle Omeida et propose des cours avec hébergement, et en option des cours de taichi.
Pour y aller le plus simple est le train de Shenzhen nord pour Guilin (3 heures ), ou de Canton pour Yangshuo. Attention la gare de Yangshuo est à 1H15 de la ville, compter 150 Yuan de taxi si il n'y a pas de bus. Il y a plusieurs gares à Shenzhen comme à Canton, ne pas se tromper ;-)
De Guilin il faut prendre un taxi ou bus local pour la station de bus longue distance et c'est 1H30 en bus environ pour très peu cher. Des rabateurs sont à la sortie de la gare et de l'aéroport, on peut négocier à 100 Yuan pour se faire déposer à son hotel et gagner à peine 30 minutes.
L'avion n'est plus intéressant car cher et loin de la ville aussi.
Shenzhen est accessible en train (MTR) depuis Hong Kong, ou en bus direct depuis l'aéroport ou voiture privée un peu plus cher (200 HK$) mais plus rapide. Il y a aussi des bus pour Canton. Le site de l'aéroport de HK est très clair sur ces sujets.
On peut et on doit acheter son billet de train à l'avance car ils sont tous complets. le site ctrip marche bien, mieux que elong. Ces mêmes sites permettent de reserver des hotels partout en Chine et ailleurs, et des billets d'avion pour vols locaux. Je n'ai jamais eu de problèmes avec eux et les prix sont intéressants. Pour les billets de train on obtient par internet un numéro de reservation et il faut aller chercher son billet à une gare quelconque en Chine (quelquefois une heure de queue). Les TGV locaux sont pas chers comparé aux français, cela revient à la moitie de l'avion en général.
Sur place la ville est trépidante mais bruyante, surtout west street à éviter. Il y a beaucoup d'hotel, j'ai visité Godot Hotel qui a l'air sympa, et logé au Tiffany hotel, un peu en dehors mais propre et calme. Mais le mieux est d'habiter en dehors de la ville. A Aishanmen à 15 minutes en vélo il y a plein de petits hotels sympa avec vue superbe. Le Yangshuo ecofarm par exemple est très chouette mais les prix sont maintenant un peu élevés, 300 Yuan environ Si on n'apprend que le Taichi l'école peut loger aussi les élèves, très joli paysage aussi, super nourriture sur place et ambiance très familiale, le prof est maitre Fu Nengbin de l'école Chen.
Pour les avions pour Hong Kong j'ai connu beaucoup de compagnies, ma préférée est la dernière Austria, en passant par Vienne. Swiss est super aussi, devant Lufthansa. Ils ont des promos vraiment intéressantes des fois, c'est utile de s'abonner à leur newsletter. Dès qu'on est à Yangshuo on peut trouver les bons conseils pour visiter les environs (pont du dragon en vélo, rizières en terrasse assez loin, Guilin pour faire le tour du lac, pon du vent et de la pluie ... ) La région est vraiment très chouette. Have fun !
Sur place la ville est trépidante mais bruyante, surtout west street à éviter. Il y a beaucoup d'hotel, j'ai visité Godot Hotel qui a l'air sympa, et logé au Tiffany hotel, un peu en dehors mais propre et calme. Mais le mieux est d'habiter en dehors de la ville. A Aishanmen à 15 minutes en vélo il y a plein de petits hotels sympa avec vue superbe. Le Yangshuo ecofarm par exemple est très chouette mais les prix sont maintenant un peu élevés, 300 Yuan environ Si on n'apprend que le Taichi l'école peut loger aussi les élèves, très joli paysage aussi, super nourriture sur place et ambiance très familiale, le prof est maitre Fu Nengbin de l'école Chen.
Pour les avions pour Hong Kong j'ai connu beaucoup de compagnies, ma préférée est la dernière Austria, en passant par Vienne. Swiss est super aussi, devant Lufthansa. Ils ont des promos vraiment intéressantes des fois, c'est utile de s'abonner à leur newsletter. Dès qu'on est à Yangshuo on peut trouver les bons conseils pour visiter les environs (pont du dragon en vélo, rizières en terrasse assez loin, Guilin pour faire le tour du lac, pon du vent et de la pluie ... ) La région est vraiment très chouette. Have fun !
Bonjour,
Qelles solutions pour faire le trajet Chengdu/Kunming.
Avec mes remerciements Ludi
Avec mes remerciements Ludi
Bonjour ,
Nous sommes en pleine organisation d'un voyage en Chine. Il me reste une interrogation ... Auriez vous des suggestions concernant notre trajet de zhangiajie à Chengdu ?
Nous avons repéré la possibilité du train en plus ou moins 12h , des vols ( Mais je n'ai trouvé qu'avec transfert par la capitale ) où chauffeur ( aucune idée du coût) . Un tout grand merci pour votre expérience qui nous aidera beaucoup et bonne journée
Laetitia et Denis
Laetitia et Denis
Bonjour à tous,
Je me permets de créer une discussion pour avoir une validation sur la façon de rejoindre Hong Kong de Yangshuo.
J'ai cru voir sur Internet qu'il fallait :
YANGSHUO > GUILIN : rejoindre Guilin en bus (environ 2 heures)
GUILIN > SHENZHEN : en train grande vitesse (quelle durée?)
SHENZHEN > HONG KONG : Métro de Shenzhen au centre ville
Quelqu'un peut il m'indiquer si ce parcours vous semble réalisable ?
Merci de votre retour,
Je me permets de créer une discussion pour avoir une validation sur la façon de rejoindre Hong Kong de Yangshuo.
J'ai cru voir sur Internet qu'il fallait :
YANGSHUO > GUILIN : rejoindre Guilin en bus (environ 2 heures)
GUILIN > SHENZHEN : en train grande vitesse (quelle durée?)
SHENZHEN > HONG KONG : Métro de Shenzhen au centre ville
Quelqu'un peut il m'indiquer si ce parcours vous semble réalisable ?
Merci de votre retour,
We’ve just returned from a 30-day trip to China, 20 years after our last visit to this vast country.
What a transformation! So many new highways, high-speed trains, clean public restrooms, very comfortable and affordable hotels, and queues before boarding public transport… Has China really changed this much?
Language Technology has helped overcome—on a very small scale, of course—the language barrier thanks to translation apps on our phones. Unfortunately, very few Chinese people speak English, even in international hotels, which we find baffling, even frustrating, but that’s just how it is, and it’s up to us to adapt. It’s a shame, too, because no one makes an effort to communicate any other way than through their phone, which wasn’t the case when we were there 20 years ago. In restaurants, hotels, and some shops, they’ll show you a voice translation—usually in English—on a phone, and all you have to do is respond.
Payments We never withdrew cash in China. It’s possible to do so, but we never looked for an ATM. On the other hand, we tried to exchange 100 € as soon as we arrived in Xi’an, and it was a real ordeal. We had to do it at a specific bank, The Bank of China, and the administrative process took… an hour! So, no cash. Like everyone else, we used Alipay, one of the most popular online payment systems, and it’s super easy to use. WeChat also works well but is a bit more complicated to set up. It’s so convenient and used absolutely everywhere, even for purchases of 5 yuan, which is roughly the equivalent of about 55 euro cents. 10 yuan equals 1.22 €.
Phone As for the internet, I had installed a VPN before leaving—Let’s VPN—but it was completely useless since we had subscribed to an international plan with our carrier before the trip, which gave us 35 GB of data. No need to ask hotels for Wi-Fi; we only used roaming. It worked perfectly, no matter where we were. So, no VPN or SIM card for us.
TWO ESSENTIAL TOOLS FOR TRAVELING: your passport and your phone Traveling to China is much simpler than you might think. And let’s add that the Chinese, despite the language barrier, are very open and always ready to help.
The itinerary After carefully planning our route and considering the length of our stay (I had initially thought about applying for a visa longer than 30 days to stay for 6 weeks in China), we decided to take advantage of the recent option to stay for 30 days. Of course, we had to make some choices. I booked a one-way ticket from Paris to Xi’an and a return from Kunming to Paris once the itinerary was set: 9 days in northern Gansu 4 days in Hunan, specifically the well-known Zhangjiajie 15 days in Yunnan
Organization, transport, hotels This wasn’t a "backpacker" trip, as the hotels we booked were generally comfortable. I had arranged a car with a driver for the Yunnan portion through the Ciel Yunnan agency. Excellent choice—it allowed us to optimize our route. For the Gansu and Hunan portions, after much deliberation, we decided against hiring a driver. All our travel was by train and taxi. Taxis are available near train stations, airports, and some hotels in big cities. We also used "Didi," the Chinese equivalent of Uber. The app is available through Alipay. Getting around China by train is extremely easy. You just need to book your tickets on a travel site. I used trip.com and travelchina. Since we weren’t traveling during peak season, it was easy to get the tickets we wanted. You can buy train tickets up to 15 days before departure. You can book earlier, but there’s no guarantee you’ll get the time you want, especially during tourist seasons (usually the first week of October or May). Once at the station, you only need to show your passport, and you’ll need it again when leaving the station. Taxis are easy to find and not expensive. For day trips, we usually went through the hotel. Like everyone else, I had checked the prices of online tour agencies beforehand, and they were all overpriced. It’s better to wait until the last minute or, if possible, contact the hotel and ask them. I did this twice. We took domestic flights three times: Xi’an to Dunhuang Lanzhou to Changsha Changsha to Lijiang It’s best to buy flights shortly before departure, as prices are quite low then. There’s no point in booking months in advance. Often, flights only appear 2 months before departure. All hotel reservations were made on trip.com, except for three booked on Booking. Almost all exceeded our expectations in terms of comfort. Rooms were usually spacious, and new technology even makes its way into the rooms with "smart" toilets and automatic curtains… All for a very reasonable price.
The "attractions" That’s the term used on travel sites like trip.com for visits and activities, and it fits perfectly! Don’t expect to move freely around a natural tourist site. Cars aren’t allowed. The process is more or less the same everywhere: you arrive at the visitor center, pay the entrance fee, then, with your ticket or passport (always keep them on you!), you board a bus that takes you to the various viewpoints. The duration of the "tour" is usually indicated. It might seem confusing or even unnatural, but no one can avoid it unless you go to very remote, non-touristy places. Generally, the further west you go, the less this type of visit exists. The upside is that these places are better preserved since access is only by electric shuttle. On the downside, you sometimes have to deal with noisy tourist groups, their guides’ loudspeakers, and their non-stop chatter. But if you move a little further away, you’ll often find yourself alone.
Highlights of this trip:🙂 A 2-day escape to the Badan Jaran Desert—absolutely stunning. The colorful mountains near Zhangye. The Buddhist caves in Gansu. The breathtaking Hani and Yi rice terraces in Yuanyang. The architecture of the old towns, even if they sometimes feel a bit overdone. The warm welcome from the locals.
A little disappointed by: Zhangjiajie, despite its beauty. It was way too crowded, even though we were there in the off-season. And that’s nothing compared to the Stone Forest near Kunming… I also struggled with the food after a while. 😕
A few photos to come…
Language Technology has helped overcome—on a very small scale, of course—the language barrier thanks to translation apps on our phones. Unfortunately, very few Chinese people speak English, even in international hotels, which we find baffling, even frustrating, but that’s just how it is, and it’s up to us to adapt. It’s a shame, too, because no one makes an effort to communicate any other way than through their phone, which wasn’t the case when we were there 20 years ago. In restaurants, hotels, and some shops, they’ll show you a voice translation—usually in English—on a phone, and all you have to do is respond.
Payments We never withdrew cash in China. It’s possible to do so, but we never looked for an ATM. On the other hand, we tried to exchange 100 € as soon as we arrived in Xi’an, and it was a real ordeal. We had to do it at a specific bank, The Bank of China, and the administrative process took… an hour! So, no cash. Like everyone else, we used Alipay, one of the most popular online payment systems, and it’s super easy to use. WeChat also works well but is a bit more complicated to set up. It’s so convenient and used absolutely everywhere, even for purchases of 5 yuan, which is roughly the equivalent of about 55 euro cents. 10 yuan equals 1.22 €.
Phone As for the internet, I had installed a VPN before leaving—Let’s VPN—but it was completely useless since we had subscribed to an international plan with our carrier before the trip, which gave us 35 GB of data. No need to ask hotels for Wi-Fi; we only used roaming. It worked perfectly, no matter where we were. So, no VPN or SIM card for us.
TWO ESSENTIAL TOOLS FOR TRAVELING: your passport and your phone Traveling to China is much simpler than you might think. And let’s add that the Chinese, despite the language barrier, are very open and always ready to help.
The itinerary After carefully planning our route and considering the length of our stay (I had initially thought about applying for a visa longer than 30 days to stay for 6 weeks in China), we decided to take advantage of the recent option to stay for 30 days. Of course, we had to make some choices. I booked a one-way ticket from Paris to Xi’an and a return from Kunming to Paris once the itinerary was set: 9 days in northern Gansu 4 days in Hunan, specifically the well-known Zhangjiajie 15 days in Yunnan
Organization, transport, hotels This wasn’t a "backpacker" trip, as the hotels we booked were generally comfortable. I had arranged a car with a driver for the Yunnan portion through the Ciel Yunnan agency. Excellent choice—it allowed us to optimize our route. For the Gansu and Hunan portions, after much deliberation, we decided against hiring a driver. All our travel was by train and taxi. Taxis are available near train stations, airports, and some hotels in big cities. We also used "Didi," the Chinese equivalent of Uber. The app is available through Alipay. Getting around China by train is extremely easy. You just need to book your tickets on a travel site. I used trip.com and travelchina. Since we weren’t traveling during peak season, it was easy to get the tickets we wanted. You can buy train tickets up to 15 days before departure. You can book earlier, but there’s no guarantee you’ll get the time you want, especially during tourist seasons (usually the first week of October or May). Once at the station, you only need to show your passport, and you’ll need it again when leaving the station. Taxis are easy to find and not expensive. For day trips, we usually went through the hotel. Like everyone else, I had checked the prices of online tour agencies beforehand, and they were all overpriced. It’s better to wait until the last minute or, if possible, contact the hotel and ask them. I did this twice. We took domestic flights three times: Xi’an to Dunhuang Lanzhou to Changsha Changsha to Lijiang It’s best to buy flights shortly before departure, as prices are quite low then. There’s no point in booking months in advance. Often, flights only appear 2 months before departure. All hotel reservations were made on trip.com, except for three booked on Booking. Almost all exceeded our expectations in terms of comfort. Rooms were usually spacious, and new technology even makes its way into the rooms with "smart" toilets and automatic curtains… All for a very reasonable price.
The "attractions" That’s the term used on travel sites like trip.com for visits and activities, and it fits perfectly! Don’t expect to move freely around a natural tourist site. Cars aren’t allowed. The process is more or less the same everywhere: you arrive at the visitor center, pay the entrance fee, then, with your ticket or passport (always keep them on you!), you board a bus that takes you to the various viewpoints. The duration of the "tour" is usually indicated. It might seem confusing or even unnatural, but no one can avoid it unless you go to very remote, non-touristy places. Generally, the further west you go, the less this type of visit exists. The upside is that these places are better preserved since access is only by electric shuttle. On the downside, you sometimes have to deal with noisy tourist groups, their guides’ loudspeakers, and their non-stop chatter. But if you move a little further away, you’ll often find yourself alone.
Highlights of this trip:🙂 A 2-day escape to the Badan Jaran Desert—absolutely stunning. The colorful mountains near Zhangye. The Buddhist caves in Gansu. The breathtaking Hani and Yi rice terraces in Yuanyang. The architecture of the old towns, even if they sometimes feel a bit overdone. The warm welcome from the locals.
A little disappointed by: Zhangjiajie, despite its beauty. It was way too crowded, even though we were there in the off-season. And that’s nothing compared to the Stone Forest near Kunming… I also struggled with the food after a while. 😕
A few photos to come…
Hi everyone,
This trip report covers a journey along the Silk Road in China (see detailed description below) undertaken in October 2025. The goal isn’t to recount the trip but to provide information that might help those who want to take a similar journey. Much of the information is valid for any trip to China.
Who we are: a retired couple, aged 63 and 65 (age gives discounts on entry to various sites and museums in China, which is why I won’t list prices here—I don’t know them, but you can easily find them online). We’re used to traveling independently. We speak English, which is the only foreign language spoken in China, though by very few people. I speak and read a little Chinese, which helped, but you can easily get by without it (without any English at all, I think it would be more difficult).
Period: We arrived just after "Golden Week," when all of China is on vacation, and after the summer, when schools are out, so we encountered very few tourists (99.99% of whom were Chinese). Our experience with booking visits in advance (which we didn’t need to do) isn’t representative for those who want to travel in the summer! The October-November period was perfect for our trip—it wasn’t too hot or too cold (one day of snow on the Tibetan Plateau), though it was only a few degrees on the Tibetan part, with altitudes between 2,000 and 3,000 meters. The trees were beautifully colored.
General remarks: Everyone we dealt with was very kind and perfectly honest. If you order a meal without really understanding what to do and the person modifies your order, trust them—the result is what you need. If a taxi driver signals that they’ll wait for you to finish your visit and pick you up afterward, trust them. It means there aren’t many taxis where you are, and it’ll be more convenient. For prices at street vendors, we always found the right ballpark, and sometimes they even added a little extra to please us. A taxi driver treated us to lunch, and an employee drove us back to the hotel after a visit because there were no taxis. If you struggle to buy a ticket online because there’s no counter, someone will come to help. People even spontaneously ask if everything’s okay and if you need anything.
Everywhere we went was very clean, including restrooms (trains, stations, hotels, museums, tourist sites) and streets. The old stereotypes about this no longer apply.
The trip can be challenging for those who have difficulty walking. The distances to cover on foot in stations, to access sites, and within the sites themselves can sometimes be really long.
We used the Lonely Planet guide in English (published at the end of August 2025) a little for preparation, but mostly relied on the internet.
Before leaving: No visa is needed for French citizens for stays under 30 days. You get a stamp on your passport upon arrival and departure, and the formalities themselves are very quick in both directions (excluding any potential queues). Just a photo and fingerprints upon arrival, and welcome to China’s facial recognition system.
Money: All your payments (see below) will go through your Visa card—there will be hundreds, including many payments of 20 cents to a few euros. So, you need an international option that allows unlimited card transactions. Since cash is rarely needed, the allowed number of ATM withdrawals can be low. We made 3 withdrawals totaling 800 € for a month and could have managed with just 2. The exchange rate charged on our Visa card was 12 € for 100 RMB (yuan).
Install the following apps on your smartphone before leaving (otherwise, you’ll only have access to the Chinese versions, if available): - Alipay, which is used to pay everywhere in China (details below). You need to link it to your credit card, then provide proof of identity by uploading a passport photo and completing a facial recognition session. Alipay gives access to Didi (China’s Uber), public transport (metro/bus), and can also translate phrases. - WeChat (Weixin in Chinese, pronounced *weishin*), which is also used for payments but also replaces WhatsApp. Unfortunately, to activate your account, you need someone who already has WeChat to sponsor you (preferably a Chinese person). We asked someone at our first accommodations to do this—no problem. By sharing your WeChat number with accommodations, they can send you messages that are automatically translated, and you can communicate with people thanks to the translation (translation to French is very poor; it’s much better in English, but unfortunately, WeChat detects your phone’s language). Alipay and WeChat are accepted almost everywhere, but some places only accept WeChat. - Amap, the international version of Baidu Maps, which replaces Google Maps (not at all up-to-date in China). The English names of hotels often have little to do with the Chinese names except for a phonetic resemblance. To find them on Amap, it’s best to copy the Chinese name found on your Trip reservation under "show address in Chinese." - A VPN. We had CyberGhost, which didn’t work, but according to other travelers, NordVPN and Windscribe do. Without a VPN, you can’t access Google services, on WhatsApp you can send and receive text but not photos, and you can’t send or receive emails on Gmail addresses. We managed without a VPN by using Firefox as a browser and Bing as a search engine. - Trip, for booking trains and accommodations, and buying some tickets. It’s the equivalent of Booking for accommodations, but Booking has very few listings in China, while Trip has hundreds in every city. Most hotels and trains are exchangeable and refundable until the day before, with no or minimal fees.
You don’t need contactless (NFC) payment on your phone. Either you scan a barcode and enter the amount to pay, or you display a barcode, and they scan it with a scanner, and the amount is deducted directly.
Upon arrival: - Buy a Chinese SIM card: 100 RMB for 300 GB of data and several hours of talk time (we didn’t use it). Set the Chinese number as a reference on Alipay, WeChat, and Amap. - Find someone to sponsor you on WeChat.
Transportation: - **Plane**: China Eastern, Paris-Canton then Canton-Urumqi on the way out, and Xian-Canton then Canton-Paris on the way back. International flights were smooth, but the schedules for the two domestic flights were changed. It was fine on the way out because we had some leeway, but on the way back, we were notified the morning of that our flight was canceled and replaced with one that didn’t allow for the connection. We called and changed to an earlier flight (I think we were lucky to find available seats). - **Train**: Most long distances were covered by high-speed trains (called D or G in China) at 240 or 300 km/h. Second class is perfect—just as comfortable and clean as our TGVs. The only advantage of first class is the wider seats for larger people, but the downside is that seats are often booked in advance and thus less available. You can book trains long in advance on Trip, but they only go on sale in China 15 days before departure, so that’s when you’ll know if you have a ticket. Initially, we booked first class, but there were no seats available on the day, so we ended up booking everything in second class, which was perfect. There’s no paper ticket—if you’ve bought one, you go to the station, show your passport, and enter. You do the same to access the platform 15 minutes before the train, and that’s it. Our train was canceled twice, but no problem—we went to the ticket counter, got a refund, and were offered a replacement. It didn’t delay us by more than an hour (maybe it would be harder in peak season). For prices, check Trip.com, but it’s significantly cheaper than in France. - **Bus**: We took the bus between Xining and Tongren, Tongren to Xiahe, and Hezuo to Lanzhou—about 3 hours each time for 200 km, 6 € per person, and departures were right on time. - **Taxi**: For trips between the station and hotel, or hotel and visits. If you take a Didi via the Alipay app, you activate your location, enter your destination, and it offers several taxis. You accept, and you get the car’s license plate and its real-time position on the map. When you get in, the driver often asks for the last four digits of your phone number to confirm. Otherwise, you go to the taxi stand outside the station. The price per kilometer is around 20 cents, so for a 30 km trip from the station to the hotel, you’ll pay about 6 €. We never tried to save more by taking local buses, but since the metro in Xian costs 25 cents per trip, it’s probably in the same ballpark. Amap provides public transport routes like Google Maps. - **Driver**: We hired a taxi/driver for the day several times for sightseeing. Prices ranged from 350 to 1,000 RMB (the most expensive was arranged through the Sofitel Xining concierge) for trips ranging from a few hours to a full day, sometimes covering over 300 km (see the detailed trip description).
Accommodations: All booked in advance on Trip, but several were changed during the trip. Off-season, there were no issues. We mostly stayed in upscale places, but in China, that means 50 to 60 € per night in the most central or convenient neighborhood. Note: Almost all hotels have a 5/5 rating on Trip, but it seems the Chinese avoid giving lower ratings to be polite. So, you have to read the comments to realize that in France, we might have given a 2 or 3!
Food: At the table, you’re served hot water or a hot infusion, presumably made with purified water. We never got sick from drinking it, but don’t drink tap water. Purified or mineral water is easy to find.
In restaurants, you can manage by pointing to the dish you want from another diner, on the wall where there are photos, or on the menu with pictures. The food in the region isn’t often spicy, and people usually ask or signal before adding the red spicy sauce, so you should be able to handle it if you don’t like chili at all.
The "fake old quarters" in several cities are great places to find all kinds of restaurants (see detailed trip below).
Like Google Maps, Amap can show you nearby restaurants.
Shopping: For dried fruits, buy them in Turfan—you won’t find the same variety and quality even in Xian. Generally, if you like something, buy it. If you wait, you might not find it outside the region where you are.
In Xian, there’s a "Tea City" where you can find all kinds of tea (from cheap to very expensive).
The trip in more detail: I won’t dwell on the beauty or interest of the sites here since that’s a matter of personal taste. However, I will do so for lesser-known places to give an idea to those who might be interested.
For many sites, there are shuttles (sometimes not included in the ticket price but costing around 1 €) that take you to the interesting spots. We always took them—it saves you from walking past countless shops or along uninteresting paths.
- **Urumqi**: We spent only one night there, arriving in the middle of the afternoon and leaving the next morning. We stayed at the Dana Hotel in the bazaar. Given the size of the city, it’s a good option because I don’t think there are many other interesting places. The bazaar is brand new and not at all "typical" (Turfan’s bazaar is infinitely more interesting), but the dining area is very nice.
- **Turfan**: Stayed at the New Dap Hostel, which was great. The neighborhood is nice, not far from the city, and easy to find food. The museum is closed until 2026 (Amap provides museum hours and closures). We took a day trip (for the two of us) with a driver to the Bezeklik Caves, Flaming Mountains, the abandoned city of Gaochang, the Tuyuk Village Museum, and the Emin Minaret for 500 RMB from 9 AM to 8 PM (arranged by the hostel). The landscape during the excursion was quite fabulous. We also visited the Karez Museum and the abandoned city of Jiaohe on our own the next day. At this time of year, the sun sets around 6 PM, and there’s often haze after 5 PM, so for Jiaohe, for example, which takes about 3 hours to visit, it’s best to be there by 1 or 2 PM at the latest.
The Dahua Market area is perfect for dried fruits (including the famous grapes), and you can eat there among locals in their traditional costumes. Next to it, there are buildings full of shops selling made-in-China items—it kept us busy for a good half-day, if not more.
- **Dunhuang**: Stayed in a guesthouse near the dunes—the city center isn’t far but seems quite artificial. Visited the dunes, with a ticket valid for 3 days. Lots of Chinese tourists—very typical and interesting from an ethnological perspective 😊. We got up early one morning to climb the highest dune, just beyond the one everyone goes to. It’s a bit long and tiring, but the view is worth it. Visited the Mogao Caves, buying the ticket on-site (no chance in season without booking in advance). We met two other French people and got a French-speaking guide (by pretending not to understand English). It was really worth it—a group of 4 instead of 20, and they took their time (2 hours) for the visit. We took a day trip to the Yulin Caves (2.5 hours by road and 160 km one way) with a driver for 350 RMB. We liked it a lot, but if the Mogao Caves are enough for you, it’s not very different.
- **Jiayuguan**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Wei and Jin tombs (actually just one)—that’s where we were told the taxi should wait to take us back to the city. We went down into a crypt with lots of decorated bricks from the 3rd century. We really liked it, but it’s not as spectacular as the fort if you’re not a fan. Visited the Jiayuguan Fort and, with the same ticket, climbed a small section of the Great Wall 10 km away. Plan at least 3 good hours for all this—there’s plenty to see.
- **Zhangye**: Stayed at The Silk Road Travelers Hostel, rustic but very nice and organizes excursions. Visited the Danxia (colored mountains)—just as spectacular as the photos. You can easily spend 3 hours there, so plan to finish before sunset to avoid the haze (you can always stay longer for the sunset if the weather’s nice). The next day, visited the Mati Si Temple in the cliff. The 10,000 Buddha Caves are under renovation, but the setting and the main temple are well worth the visit (the paths through the cliff tunnels must be hellish in peak season). You can probably organize these two excursions yourself by asking any taxi driver. Also visited the Giant Buddha Temple in the city center—really worth it.
- **Xining**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Tibetan Medicine Museum to see the world’s largest thangka (1 km long), made over 40 years by renowned artists. It’s absolutely magnificent, on par with the virtuosity (but over 1 km) of the thangkas painted by famous artists in Xiahe (see below). Hired a female taxi driver for the day to visit Kumbum Monastery (Ta’er Si in Chinese) and the Danxia area in Guide, 50 km beyond the monastery. It’s less spectacular than Zhangye’s Danxia, but we really liked it (including the journey’s landscape). The next day, visited the old Ming-era Qutan Monastery—no visitors, with beautiful murals (half under renovation). Accessible by train to Haidong or Ledu, then a taxi. Xining’s mosque is of no interest, but there’s a pedestrian street with food stalls nearby that’s very nice.
- **Tongren**: Stayed near the main monastery. Visited Longwu Monastery (several hours), with lots of nice shops along the street leading to it. Then visited Wutun Monastery, which is less lively but beautiful and close to thangka workshops. You can go in and watch the painters at work. For a thangka made by a renowned artist, count about a year of work for 1 m² and around 10,000 €.
- **Xiahe**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited Labrang Monastery—very nice but not as much as Tongren’s because many halls were closed. I think it’s better to go in season and take an English-guided tour (but it’s still worth the trip, even off-season).
- **Langmusi**: Took a taxi, but you can also take a bus (though very early in the morning and longer). Particularly beautiful for us because we woke up to bright sunshine and 5 cm of snow everywhere. Visited the two temples (really nice) and did the classic hike in the gorges starting at the Fairy Cave. For those interested, we continued along the canyon path, and after the meadow where marmots are clearly visible in summer, we climbed toward a pass on the left at 3,800 meters. The view of Langmusi and, above all, the vast grasslands and distant mountains was fabulous (3 hours round trip from the temple). You could probably reach the 4,000-meter summit by continuing up the valley instead of turning left, but according to guides, it’s better to count 7 hours round trip (no technical difficulty). You can leave Langmusi by bus, but off-season, you first have to take a taxi to a stop outside the city and wait for the bus. We didn’t try and took a taxi to Hezuo instead.
Note on this region: A high-speed train is under construction from Xining to Langmusi and beyond (never seen such an impressive construction site!). When it’s operational (in one or two years, I think), access to the area will be revolutionized, and perhaps some of the charm will be lost.
- **Hezuo**: Stopped on the way from Langmusi to Lanzhou. Visited the Milarepa Pagoda, entirely destroyed during the Cultural Revolution and since rebuilt. We liked it since we were passing through, but it doesn’t necessarily justify a long detour.
- **Lanzhou**: Reached by one of the many buses from Hezuo. Stayed in the "fake old quarter," which is extremely pleasant, especially in the evening with restaurants, groups of Chinese women dancing to loud music, etc. Visited Bingling Si with a driver, 120 km away—the landscape and site are absolutely magnificent, with no one around at our time of year. Visited the Gansu Museum (where the famous Flying Horse is, but it’s a replica). We bought the ticket on entry, but in season, you probably need to book in advance.
- **Yinchuan**: Stayed in the city center. A city we discovered by chance in the Lonely Planet—worth it if you have time. On the way, we stopped for a few hours in Zhongwei, where there’s an incredible Taoist temple (I’ll let you be surprised). Visited the Western Xia tombs—we took the short option, which visits Tomb 3. We think the others are similar but less impressive. The surrounding landscape and site are quite spectacular. Visited the film sets (really fun if you like Chinese movies), the short but interesting Ningxia Museum, and finally the modern art museum. The architecture is avant-garde, and there are some beautiful works (we like it, but it’s far from the center—hire a driver who waits, or you might have to wait for an employee to offer a ride back).
- **Tianshui**: Stayed in the suburbs, but you should find a hotel near the "fake old quarter" between the Fu Xi Temples and the Taoist temple—it’s a very nice area, and the two temples (especially the Taoist one) are within walking distance. Visited the Maijishan Caves—the ticket includes the shuttle to get there. Took a taxi from Lanzhou for about 10 € in 45 minutes. We found these caves fabulous.
- **Xi’an**: Stayed 500 meters from the Bell Tower at Hantang Inn—very convenient. We’d been before, so we didn’t revisit the Terracotta Army. The calligraphy district is worth it, as is the Muslim Quarter, though it’s very touristy. The area indicated on the Lonely Planet’s walking tour near the old fruit and vegetable market isn’t very interesting. To buy tea, you can go to the Northwest International Tea City, with dozens of shops. We chose one at random, tasted, and bought various teas. There’s everything from cheap to extremely expensive, but you can find reasonable prices even in seemingly luxurious shops. Along the street north of this area, there are large stores with tons of Chinese goods selling dishes, wedding items, etc. We spent hours there. In the city center, there are only malls with more or less international brands.
- **Longmen Grottoes**: Visited as a round trip by high-speed train from Xian—1 hour 15 minutes to Longmen’s high-speed train station, and the site entrance is 15 minutes by taxi.
We didn’t go to Mount Hua Shan, but there’s a high-speed train station nearby, and there were people on the train who were clearly going there. So, you can probably do this excursion in a day from Xian as well.
Conclusion: We hope this report makes you want to go or helps you if you’re already planning to. If you have questions that you can’t find the answer to by searching properly online and we can answer, don’t hesitate.
This trip report covers a journey along the Silk Road in China (see detailed description below) undertaken in October 2025. The goal isn’t to recount the trip but to provide information that might help those who want to take a similar journey. Much of the information is valid for any trip to China.
Who we are: a retired couple, aged 63 and 65 (age gives discounts on entry to various sites and museums in China, which is why I won’t list prices here—I don’t know them, but you can easily find them online). We’re used to traveling independently. We speak English, which is the only foreign language spoken in China, though by very few people. I speak and read a little Chinese, which helped, but you can easily get by without it (without any English at all, I think it would be more difficult).
Period: We arrived just after "Golden Week," when all of China is on vacation, and after the summer, when schools are out, so we encountered very few tourists (99.99% of whom were Chinese). Our experience with booking visits in advance (which we didn’t need to do) isn’t representative for those who want to travel in the summer! The October-November period was perfect for our trip—it wasn’t too hot or too cold (one day of snow on the Tibetan Plateau), though it was only a few degrees on the Tibetan part, with altitudes between 2,000 and 3,000 meters. The trees were beautifully colored.
General remarks: Everyone we dealt with was very kind and perfectly honest. If you order a meal without really understanding what to do and the person modifies your order, trust them—the result is what you need. If a taxi driver signals that they’ll wait for you to finish your visit and pick you up afterward, trust them. It means there aren’t many taxis where you are, and it’ll be more convenient. For prices at street vendors, we always found the right ballpark, and sometimes they even added a little extra to please us. A taxi driver treated us to lunch, and an employee drove us back to the hotel after a visit because there were no taxis. If you struggle to buy a ticket online because there’s no counter, someone will come to help. People even spontaneously ask if everything’s okay and if you need anything.
Everywhere we went was very clean, including restrooms (trains, stations, hotels, museums, tourist sites) and streets. The old stereotypes about this no longer apply.
The trip can be challenging for those who have difficulty walking. The distances to cover on foot in stations, to access sites, and within the sites themselves can sometimes be really long.
We used the Lonely Planet guide in English (published at the end of August 2025) a little for preparation, but mostly relied on the internet.
Before leaving: No visa is needed for French citizens for stays under 30 days. You get a stamp on your passport upon arrival and departure, and the formalities themselves are very quick in both directions (excluding any potential queues). Just a photo and fingerprints upon arrival, and welcome to China’s facial recognition system.
Money: All your payments (see below) will go through your Visa card—there will be hundreds, including many payments of 20 cents to a few euros. So, you need an international option that allows unlimited card transactions. Since cash is rarely needed, the allowed number of ATM withdrawals can be low. We made 3 withdrawals totaling 800 € for a month and could have managed with just 2. The exchange rate charged on our Visa card was 12 € for 100 RMB (yuan).
Install the following apps on your smartphone before leaving (otherwise, you’ll only have access to the Chinese versions, if available): - Alipay, which is used to pay everywhere in China (details below). You need to link it to your credit card, then provide proof of identity by uploading a passport photo and completing a facial recognition session. Alipay gives access to Didi (China’s Uber), public transport (metro/bus), and can also translate phrases. - WeChat (Weixin in Chinese, pronounced *weishin*), which is also used for payments but also replaces WhatsApp. Unfortunately, to activate your account, you need someone who already has WeChat to sponsor you (preferably a Chinese person). We asked someone at our first accommodations to do this—no problem. By sharing your WeChat number with accommodations, they can send you messages that are automatically translated, and you can communicate with people thanks to the translation (translation to French is very poor; it’s much better in English, but unfortunately, WeChat detects your phone’s language). Alipay and WeChat are accepted almost everywhere, but some places only accept WeChat. - Amap, the international version of Baidu Maps, which replaces Google Maps (not at all up-to-date in China). The English names of hotels often have little to do with the Chinese names except for a phonetic resemblance. To find them on Amap, it’s best to copy the Chinese name found on your Trip reservation under "show address in Chinese." - A VPN. We had CyberGhost, which didn’t work, but according to other travelers, NordVPN and Windscribe do. Without a VPN, you can’t access Google services, on WhatsApp you can send and receive text but not photos, and you can’t send or receive emails on Gmail addresses. We managed without a VPN by using Firefox as a browser and Bing as a search engine. - Trip, for booking trains and accommodations, and buying some tickets. It’s the equivalent of Booking for accommodations, but Booking has very few listings in China, while Trip has hundreds in every city. Most hotels and trains are exchangeable and refundable until the day before, with no or minimal fees.
You don’t need contactless (NFC) payment on your phone. Either you scan a barcode and enter the amount to pay, or you display a barcode, and they scan it with a scanner, and the amount is deducted directly.
Upon arrival: - Buy a Chinese SIM card: 100 RMB for 300 GB of data and several hours of talk time (we didn’t use it). Set the Chinese number as a reference on Alipay, WeChat, and Amap. - Find someone to sponsor you on WeChat.
Transportation: - **Plane**: China Eastern, Paris-Canton then Canton-Urumqi on the way out, and Xian-Canton then Canton-Paris on the way back. International flights were smooth, but the schedules for the two domestic flights were changed. It was fine on the way out because we had some leeway, but on the way back, we were notified the morning of that our flight was canceled and replaced with one that didn’t allow for the connection. We called and changed to an earlier flight (I think we were lucky to find available seats). - **Train**: Most long distances were covered by high-speed trains (called D or G in China) at 240 or 300 km/h. Second class is perfect—just as comfortable and clean as our TGVs. The only advantage of first class is the wider seats for larger people, but the downside is that seats are often booked in advance and thus less available. You can book trains long in advance on Trip, but they only go on sale in China 15 days before departure, so that’s when you’ll know if you have a ticket. Initially, we booked first class, but there were no seats available on the day, so we ended up booking everything in second class, which was perfect. There’s no paper ticket—if you’ve bought one, you go to the station, show your passport, and enter. You do the same to access the platform 15 minutes before the train, and that’s it. Our train was canceled twice, but no problem—we went to the ticket counter, got a refund, and were offered a replacement. It didn’t delay us by more than an hour (maybe it would be harder in peak season). For prices, check Trip.com, but it’s significantly cheaper than in France. - **Bus**: We took the bus between Xining and Tongren, Tongren to Xiahe, and Hezuo to Lanzhou—about 3 hours each time for 200 km, 6 € per person, and departures were right on time. - **Taxi**: For trips between the station and hotel, or hotel and visits. If you take a Didi via the Alipay app, you activate your location, enter your destination, and it offers several taxis. You accept, and you get the car’s license plate and its real-time position on the map. When you get in, the driver often asks for the last four digits of your phone number to confirm. Otherwise, you go to the taxi stand outside the station. The price per kilometer is around 20 cents, so for a 30 km trip from the station to the hotel, you’ll pay about 6 €. We never tried to save more by taking local buses, but since the metro in Xian costs 25 cents per trip, it’s probably in the same ballpark. Amap provides public transport routes like Google Maps. - **Driver**: We hired a taxi/driver for the day several times for sightseeing. Prices ranged from 350 to 1,000 RMB (the most expensive was arranged through the Sofitel Xining concierge) for trips ranging from a few hours to a full day, sometimes covering over 300 km (see the detailed trip description).
Accommodations: All booked in advance on Trip, but several were changed during the trip. Off-season, there were no issues. We mostly stayed in upscale places, but in China, that means 50 to 60 € per night in the most central or convenient neighborhood. Note: Almost all hotels have a 5/5 rating on Trip, but it seems the Chinese avoid giving lower ratings to be polite. So, you have to read the comments to realize that in France, we might have given a 2 or 3!
Food: At the table, you’re served hot water or a hot infusion, presumably made with purified water. We never got sick from drinking it, but don’t drink tap water. Purified or mineral water is easy to find.
In restaurants, you can manage by pointing to the dish you want from another diner, on the wall where there are photos, or on the menu with pictures. The food in the region isn’t often spicy, and people usually ask or signal before adding the red spicy sauce, so you should be able to handle it if you don’t like chili at all.
The "fake old quarters" in several cities are great places to find all kinds of restaurants (see detailed trip below).
Like Google Maps, Amap can show you nearby restaurants.
Shopping: For dried fruits, buy them in Turfan—you won’t find the same variety and quality even in Xian. Generally, if you like something, buy it. If you wait, you might not find it outside the region where you are.
In Xian, there’s a "Tea City" where you can find all kinds of tea (from cheap to very expensive).
The trip in more detail: I won’t dwell on the beauty or interest of the sites here since that’s a matter of personal taste. However, I will do so for lesser-known places to give an idea to those who might be interested.
For many sites, there are shuttles (sometimes not included in the ticket price but costing around 1 €) that take you to the interesting spots. We always took them—it saves you from walking past countless shops or along uninteresting paths.
- **Urumqi**: We spent only one night there, arriving in the middle of the afternoon and leaving the next morning. We stayed at the Dana Hotel in the bazaar. Given the size of the city, it’s a good option because I don’t think there are many other interesting places. The bazaar is brand new and not at all "typical" (Turfan’s bazaar is infinitely more interesting), but the dining area is very nice.
- **Turfan**: Stayed at the New Dap Hostel, which was great. The neighborhood is nice, not far from the city, and easy to find food. The museum is closed until 2026 (Amap provides museum hours and closures). We took a day trip (for the two of us) with a driver to the Bezeklik Caves, Flaming Mountains, the abandoned city of Gaochang, the Tuyuk Village Museum, and the Emin Minaret for 500 RMB from 9 AM to 8 PM (arranged by the hostel). The landscape during the excursion was quite fabulous. We also visited the Karez Museum and the abandoned city of Jiaohe on our own the next day. At this time of year, the sun sets around 6 PM, and there’s often haze after 5 PM, so for Jiaohe, for example, which takes about 3 hours to visit, it’s best to be there by 1 or 2 PM at the latest.
The Dahua Market area is perfect for dried fruits (including the famous grapes), and you can eat there among locals in their traditional costumes. Next to it, there are buildings full of shops selling made-in-China items—it kept us busy for a good half-day, if not more.
- **Dunhuang**: Stayed in a guesthouse near the dunes—the city center isn’t far but seems quite artificial. Visited the dunes, with a ticket valid for 3 days. Lots of Chinese tourists—very typical and interesting from an ethnological perspective 😊. We got up early one morning to climb the highest dune, just beyond the one everyone goes to. It’s a bit long and tiring, but the view is worth it. Visited the Mogao Caves, buying the ticket on-site (no chance in season without booking in advance). We met two other French people and got a French-speaking guide (by pretending not to understand English). It was really worth it—a group of 4 instead of 20, and they took their time (2 hours) for the visit. We took a day trip to the Yulin Caves (2.5 hours by road and 160 km one way) with a driver for 350 RMB. We liked it a lot, but if the Mogao Caves are enough for you, it’s not very different.
- **Jiayuguan**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Wei and Jin tombs (actually just one)—that’s where we were told the taxi should wait to take us back to the city. We went down into a crypt with lots of decorated bricks from the 3rd century. We really liked it, but it’s not as spectacular as the fort if you’re not a fan. Visited the Jiayuguan Fort and, with the same ticket, climbed a small section of the Great Wall 10 km away. Plan at least 3 good hours for all this—there’s plenty to see.
- **Zhangye**: Stayed at The Silk Road Travelers Hostel, rustic but very nice and organizes excursions. Visited the Danxia (colored mountains)—just as spectacular as the photos. You can easily spend 3 hours there, so plan to finish before sunset to avoid the haze (you can always stay longer for the sunset if the weather’s nice). The next day, visited the Mati Si Temple in the cliff. The 10,000 Buddha Caves are under renovation, but the setting and the main temple are well worth the visit (the paths through the cliff tunnels must be hellish in peak season). You can probably organize these two excursions yourself by asking any taxi driver. Also visited the Giant Buddha Temple in the city center—really worth it.
- **Xining**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited the Tibetan Medicine Museum to see the world’s largest thangka (1 km long), made over 40 years by renowned artists. It’s absolutely magnificent, on par with the virtuosity (but over 1 km) of the thangkas painted by famous artists in Xiahe (see below). Hired a female taxi driver for the day to visit Kumbum Monastery (Ta’er Si in Chinese) and the Danxia area in Guide, 50 km beyond the monastery. It’s less spectacular than Zhangye’s Danxia, but we really liked it (including the journey’s landscape). The next day, visited the old Ming-era Qutan Monastery—no visitors, with beautiful murals (half under renovation). Accessible by train to Haidong or Ledu, then a taxi. Xining’s mosque is of no interest, but there’s a pedestrian street with food stalls nearby that’s very nice.
- **Tongren**: Stayed near the main monastery. Visited Longwu Monastery (several hours), with lots of nice shops along the street leading to it. Then visited Wutun Monastery, which is less lively but beautiful and close to thangka workshops. You can go in and watch the painters at work. For a thangka made by a renowned artist, count about a year of work for 1 m² and around 10,000 €.
- **Xiahe**: Stayed in a city-center hotel. Visited Labrang Monastery—very nice but not as much as Tongren’s because many halls were closed. I think it’s better to go in season and take an English-guided tour (but it’s still worth the trip, even off-season).
- **Langmusi**: Took a taxi, but you can also take a bus (though very early in the morning and longer). Particularly beautiful for us because we woke up to bright sunshine and 5 cm of snow everywhere. Visited the two temples (really nice) and did the classic hike in the gorges starting at the Fairy Cave. For those interested, we continued along the canyon path, and after the meadow where marmots are clearly visible in summer, we climbed toward a pass on the left at 3,800 meters. The view of Langmusi and, above all, the vast grasslands and distant mountains was fabulous (3 hours round trip from the temple). You could probably reach the 4,000-meter summit by continuing up the valley instead of turning left, but according to guides, it’s better to count 7 hours round trip (no technical difficulty). You can leave Langmusi by bus, but off-season, you first have to take a taxi to a stop outside the city and wait for the bus. We didn’t try and took a taxi to Hezuo instead.
Note on this region: A high-speed train is under construction from Xining to Langmusi and beyond (never seen such an impressive construction site!). When it’s operational (in one or two years, I think), access to the area will be revolutionized, and perhaps some of the charm will be lost.
- **Hezuo**: Stopped on the way from Langmusi to Lanzhou. Visited the Milarepa Pagoda, entirely destroyed during the Cultural Revolution and since rebuilt. We liked it since we were passing through, but it doesn’t necessarily justify a long detour.
- **Lanzhou**: Reached by one of the many buses from Hezuo. Stayed in the "fake old quarter," which is extremely pleasant, especially in the evening with restaurants, groups of Chinese women dancing to loud music, etc. Visited Bingling Si with a driver, 120 km away—the landscape and site are absolutely magnificent, with no one around at our time of year. Visited the Gansu Museum (where the famous Flying Horse is, but it’s a replica). We bought the ticket on entry, but in season, you probably need to book in advance.
- **Yinchuan**: Stayed in the city center. A city we discovered by chance in the Lonely Planet—worth it if you have time. On the way, we stopped for a few hours in Zhongwei, where there’s an incredible Taoist temple (I’ll let you be surprised). Visited the Western Xia tombs—we took the short option, which visits Tomb 3. We think the others are similar but less impressive. The surrounding landscape and site are quite spectacular. Visited the film sets (really fun if you like Chinese movies), the short but interesting Ningxia Museum, and finally the modern art museum. The architecture is avant-garde, and there are some beautiful works (we like it, but it’s far from the center—hire a driver who waits, or you might have to wait for an employee to offer a ride back).
- **Tianshui**: Stayed in the suburbs, but you should find a hotel near the "fake old quarter" between the Fu Xi Temples and the Taoist temple—it’s a very nice area, and the two temples (especially the Taoist one) are within walking distance. Visited the Maijishan Caves—the ticket includes the shuttle to get there. Took a taxi from Lanzhou for about 10 € in 45 minutes. We found these caves fabulous.
- **Xi’an**: Stayed 500 meters from the Bell Tower at Hantang Inn—very convenient. We’d been before, so we didn’t revisit the Terracotta Army. The calligraphy district is worth it, as is the Muslim Quarter, though it’s very touristy. The area indicated on the Lonely Planet’s walking tour near the old fruit and vegetable market isn’t very interesting. To buy tea, you can go to the Northwest International Tea City, with dozens of shops. We chose one at random, tasted, and bought various teas. There’s everything from cheap to extremely expensive, but you can find reasonable prices even in seemingly luxurious shops. Along the street north of this area, there are large stores with tons of Chinese goods selling dishes, wedding items, etc. We spent hours there. In the city center, there are only malls with more or less international brands.
- **Longmen Grottoes**: Visited as a round trip by high-speed train from Xian—1 hour 15 minutes to Longmen’s high-speed train station, and the site entrance is 15 minutes by taxi.
We didn’t go to Mount Hua Shan, but there’s a high-speed train station nearby, and there were people on the train who were clearly going there. So, you can probably do this excursion in a day from Xian as well.
Conclusion: We hope this report makes you want to go or helps you if you’re already planning to. If you have questions that you can’t find the answer to by searching properly online and we can answer, don’t hesitate.
Bonjour à toutes et tous,
Voilà, avec ma petite famille nous avons décidé de nous arrêter lors de notre road trip un mois en chine au mois de juin 2020. J'ai déjà pas mal fais de recherche sur cette destination et j'aimerais avoir votre avis afin de ne pas "trop" me tromper 😛. Je sais que malheureusement, certaines régions que nous avons choisis ne sont pas au top niveau météo du mois de juin. Néanmoins je me dis qu'on devrais quand même pouvoir visiter et que ça ne va pas trop être cata.
Hong-KongHong-KongGuangxi - GuilinRivière Li - YängshuoRivière Li - YängshuoRivière Li - YängshuoRizière en terrasses de LongjiRizière en terrasses de LongjiSichuan : ChengdûSichuan : ChengdûGrand Bouddha de Lè ShânGrand Bouddha de Lè ShânParc national de HuanglongParc national de HuanglongFleuve Yangzi (barrages des 3 gorges)Grottes bouddiques de Dazu ?Xi'An et l'armée des soldats de terre cuiteXi'An et l'armée des soldats de terre cuiteshanghaïshanghaïshanghaïPékin (Beijin)Pékin (Beijin)Pékin (Beijin)Pékin (Beijin)La grande Muraille - Jïnshändling j'ai mis en couleurs les diverses régions (pour m'en sortir avec les noms 😄) Il nous reste encore 2 jours de libre que nous pouvons insérer où bon nous semble.. La suite du voyage nous emmènera en Mongolie. Nous avions pensé prendre le transibérien pour nous rendre à Oulan-Bator. Qu'en pensez-vous ?
J'ai hâte d'avoir vos avis, suggestions et autres.
Merci beaucoup !
Voilà, avec ma petite famille nous avons décidé de nous arrêter lors de notre road trip un mois en chine au mois de juin 2020. J'ai déjà pas mal fais de recherche sur cette destination et j'aimerais avoir votre avis afin de ne pas "trop" me tromper 😛. Je sais que malheureusement, certaines régions que nous avons choisis ne sont pas au top niveau météo du mois de juin. Néanmoins je me dis qu'on devrais quand même pouvoir visiter et que ça ne va pas trop être cata.
Hong-KongHong-KongGuangxi - GuilinRivière Li - YängshuoRivière Li - YängshuoRivière Li - YängshuoRizière en terrasses de LongjiRizière en terrasses de LongjiSichuan : ChengdûSichuan : ChengdûGrand Bouddha de Lè ShânGrand Bouddha de Lè ShânParc national de HuanglongParc national de HuanglongFleuve Yangzi (barrages des 3 gorges)Grottes bouddiques de Dazu ?Xi'An et l'armée des soldats de terre cuiteXi'An et l'armée des soldats de terre cuiteshanghaïshanghaïshanghaïPékin (Beijin)Pékin (Beijin)Pékin (Beijin)Pékin (Beijin)La grande Muraille - Jïnshändling j'ai mis en couleurs les diverses régions (pour m'en sortir avec les noms 😄) Il nous reste encore 2 jours de libre que nous pouvons insérer où bon nous semble.. La suite du voyage nous emmènera en Mongolie. Nous avions pensé prendre le transibérien pour nous rendre à Oulan-Bator. Qu'en pensez-vous ?
J'ai hâte d'avoir vos avis, suggestions et autres.
Merci beaucoup !
Hi everyone,
We're currently planning our itinerary for this summer (late July - August) in China. Our travel style is more backpacker-oriented—we're used to traveling in Latin America, booking things just 3 days in advance. Could you share your thoughts on this route?
We’re particularly wondering about: - Yangshuo (which seems very touristy) → Xingping instead? The park Bajiaozhai? - How to get around and find accommodation in the small Miao and Dong villages? - Should we book trains and hotels in advance for late July and early August?
Thanks so much!
28-Jul Monday Kunming: Bamboo Temple Dian Chi Lake Kunming 29-Jul Tuesday Visit the city center Lake bike tour Dali Dali 30-Jul Wednesday Three Pagodas / Cangshan Mountain Dali Dali 31-Jul Thursday Transport to Shaxi - visit 1 - Dali Old Town Coach Station (大理古城客运站) 2 - Arrive Jianchuan Coach Station 3 - Local green or yellow minibuses to Shaxi Dali → Jianchuan → Shaxi Shaxi 01-Aug Friday Quick visit Shaxi → Lijiang Shaxi Shaxi 02-Aug Saturday Quick visit Shaxi → Lijiang Shaxi Lijiang 03-Aug Sunday Tiger Leaping Gorge trek 04-Aug Monday Tiger Leaping Gorge Qiatou Lijiang / Dali 05-Aug Tuesday Dali → Kunming → Kaili Full-day transport Kaili 06-Aug Wednesday Langde Miao Village - Xijiang Miao Village Kaili 07-Aug Thursday Visit village Kaili 08-Aug Friday Visit village Zhaoxing 09-Aug Saturday AM: Train to Guilin - PM: Elephant Trunk Hill / night barbecue Zhaoxing → Guilin (1h) Guilin 10-Aug Sunday Bajiaozhai (Park / hike) Ziyuan 11-Aug Monday Bajiaozhai (Park / hike) Ziyuan 12-Aug Tuesday Yangshuo Yangshuo 13-Aug Wednesday Yangshuo Yangshuo 14-Aug Thursday Yangshuo Yangshuo 15-Aug Friday Guilin → HK (3.5h) Guilin → HK (3.5h) 16-Aug Saturday Hong Kong
We're currently planning our itinerary for this summer (late July - August) in China. Our travel style is more backpacker-oriented—we're used to traveling in Latin America, booking things just 3 days in advance. Could you share your thoughts on this route?
We’re particularly wondering about: - Yangshuo (which seems very touristy) → Xingping instead? The park Bajiaozhai? - How to get around and find accommodation in the small Miao and Dong villages? - Should we book trains and hotels in advance for late July and early August?
Thanks so much!
28-Jul Monday Kunming: Bamboo Temple Dian Chi Lake Kunming 29-Jul Tuesday Visit the city center Lake bike tour Dali Dali 30-Jul Wednesday Three Pagodas / Cangshan Mountain Dali Dali 31-Jul Thursday Transport to Shaxi - visit 1 - Dali Old Town Coach Station (大理古城客运站) 2 - Arrive Jianchuan Coach Station 3 - Local green or yellow minibuses to Shaxi Dali → Jianchuan → Shaxi Shaxi 01-Aug Friday Quick visit Shaxi → Lijiang Shaxi Shaxi 02-Aug Saturday Quick visit Shaxi → Lijiang Shaxi Lijiang 03-Aug Sunday Tiger Leaping Gorge trek 04-Aug Monday Tiger Leaping Gorge Qiatou Lijiang / Dali 05-Aug Tuesday Dali → Kunming → Kaili Full-day transport Kaili 06-Aug Wednesday Langde Miao Village - Xijiang Miao Village Kaili 07-Aug Thursday Visit village Kaili 08-Aug Friday Visit village Zhaoxing 09-Aug Saturday AM: Train to Guilin - PM: Elephant Trunk Hill / night barbecue Zhaoxing → Guilin (1h) Guilin 10-Aug Sunday Bajiaozhai (Park / hike) Ziyuan 11-Aug Monday Bajiaozhai (Park / hike) Ziyuan 12-Aug Tuesday Yangshuo Yangshuo 13-Aug Wednesday Yangshuo Yangshuo 14-Aug Thursday Yangshuo Yangshuo 15-Aug Friday Guilin → HK (3.5h) Guilin → HK (3.5h) 16-Aug Saturday Hong Kong
Bonjour le forum,
Avez vous, comme nous, ressenti ces mêmes choses en Chine ?
Nous sommes partis une bonne vingtaine de jours au mois d'août. Une partie en solo du côté de Chengdu, puis nous avons rejoint le circuit organisé pour 12 jours (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shangai, Wuzhen) et avons prolongé notre séjour de 4 jours complémentaires vers Zhangjiaje.
De très beaux paysages, des souvenirs inoubliables ... parc contre, très déçus pour les points suivants :
- la nourriture : trop trop pimentée. Pas de saveurs, peu de gôut. Je parle "en général" car nous avons goûté de bon raviolis à la vapeur, du porc fumé, des dumpling ... Autant, nous avons été emaballés en Thailande, Cambodge, Inde mais la cuisine chinoise ne nous a pas surpris.
- le comportement du chinois : irrespectueux, pressé, agité, Il faut se battre en permanence, nous sommes poussés, oppressés, .... A l'entrée des Grandes fouilles pour l'armée de terre cuite (ou d'autres sites) ce sont des raz de marée humain ... et je pèse bien mes mots. On nous sous sommes portés par les foules sans poser un pied à terre. A l'image d'une situation ou vous avez 1 bol de riz et 20000 gugus affamés qui se jettent dessus ...
Vous êtes devant un guichet, ils vous passent devant. Vous faites la queue pour les formalités d'embarquement, valise prête à être posée sur le tapis roulant, il y en a un qui débarque de "je ne sais où" et qui pose SA valise ... Et pourtant, lui aussi a un billet d'avion, avec SON numéro de siège, et il ne partira pas avant vous !!!! Vous êtes en train de monter dans le bus, il y en a un autre qui arrive et qui vous bouscule pour ne pas se trouver derrière vous.
Comme si cet individu ne pensait qu'à son égo. Je n'en ai vu aucun laisser passer ou demander, comme si la politesse et le respect lui étaient inconnus.
C'est franchement pesant, lassant ....
- la communication : dans tous les pays que nous avons fait, Asie ou Europe, on se débrouille toujours, avec l'anglais, quelques mots d'italien, de français ou d'espagnol. En Chine, je vais être très caricatural, mais tu parles pas chinois tu crèves. Et pourtant, une paire de gamins d'une dizaine ou douzaine d'années qui vous demandent en anglais d'où vous êtes 🙂
- la compréhension : la règle est la suivante. Même si votre interlocuteur parle quelques mot d'anglais et vous dit qu'il vous a compris ... assurez vous qu'il a vraiment bien compris car 9 fois sur 10 ce n'est pas le cas. Par fierté ou béatitude, il va vous faire un grand sourire avec un hochement de tête mais dans les faits, il n'a pas compris ce que vous vouliez lui dire.
A plusieurs reprises, avec le groupe, le soir, dans un restaurant, si nous n'avions pas été aidés par une personne d'une autre table qui elle parle un peu l'anglais, nous y serions encore. L’exemple caricatural du serveur qui amène une seule carte (alors qu'on est 10 à table), on est tous à essayer de lui expliquer que nous voulons 4 ou plus de cartes, et 5 minutes après il continue à vous regarder avec son plus grand sourire béat ...
Dans des hôtels 3* ou 4*, vous allez les voir pour un problème d'eau chaude ou de climatisation. Il y en a 3 ou 4 qui vous regardent avec un air radieux, on essaye de leur expliquer, avec des photos, ou avec un traducteur, mais au final vous repartez car votre problème n'est pas réglé.
Ils ne savent pas parler, ils crient ... en bus, à l'hôtel ...
On a eu aussi la surprise de voir que les laveries automatiques étaient quasi inexistantes; du coup nous nous sommes faits piéger une fois à l'hôtel avec une somme astronomique !
Côté vol, à l'aller avec Air China et au retour avec Austrian AirLine : il n'y pas photo. Aucun service et une bouffe "à gerber" avec Air China. Avec Austrian, plusieurs services, un repas plutôt "élaboré", et des hôtesses souriantes.
Je ne sais pas si vous avez eu cette même expérience de ce pays, mais je ne suis pas du tout chaud pour y retourner. Alors que si demain on me propose l'Inde, la Thailande ou le Viet Nam par exemple, j'y retourne de suite !!!
Avez vous, comme nous, ressenti ces mêmes choses en Chine ?
Nous sommes partis une bonne vingtaine de jours au mois d'août. Une partie en solo du côté de Chengdu, puis nous avons rejoint le circuit organisé pour 12 jours (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shangai, Wuzhen) et avons prolongé notre séjour de 4 jours complémentaires vers Zhangjiaje.
De très beaux paysages, des souvenirs inoubliables ... parc contre, très déçus pour les points suivants :
- la nourriture : trop trop pimentée. Pas de saveurs, peu de gôut. Je parle "en général" car nous avons goûté de bon raviolis à la vapeur, du porc fumé, des dumpling ... Autant, nous avons été emaballés en Thailande, Cambodge, Inde mais la cuisine chinoise ne nous a pas surpris.
- le comportement du chinois : irrespectueux, pressé, agité, Il faut se battre en permanence, nous sommes poussés, oppressés, .... A l'entrée des Grandes fouilles pour l'armée de terre cuite (ou d'autres sites) ce sont des raz de marée humain ... et je pèse bien mes mots. On nous sous sommes portés par les foules sans poser un pied à terre. A l'image d'une situation ou vous avez 1 bol de riz et 20000 gugus affamés qui se jettent dessus ...
Vous êtes devant un guichet, ils vous passent devant. Vous faites la queue pour les formalités d'embarquement, valise prête à être posée sur le tapis roulant, il y en a un qui débarque de "je ne sais où" et qui pose SA valise ... Et pourtant, lui aussi a un billet d'avion, avec SON numéro de siège, et il ne partira pas avant vous !!!! Vous êtes en train de monter dans le bus, il y en a un autre qui arrive et qui vous bouscule pour ne pas se trouver derrière vous.
Comme si cet individu ne pensait qu'à son égo. Je n'en ai vu aucun laisser passer ou demander, comme si la politesse et le respect lui étaient inconnus.
C'est franchement pesant, lassant ....
- la communication : dans tous les pays que nous avons fait, Asie ou Europe, on se débrouille toujours, avec l'anglais, quelques mots d'italien, de français ou d'espagnol. En Chine, je vais être très caricatural, mais tu parles pas chinois tu crèves. Et pourtant, une paire de gamins d'une dizaine ou douzaine d'années qui vous demandent en anglais d'où vous êtes 🙂
- la compréhension : la règle est la suivante. Même si votre interlocuteur parle quelques mot d'anglais et vous dit qu'il vous a compris ... assurez vous qu'il a vraiment bien compris car 9 fois sur 10 ce n'est pas le cas. Par fierté ou béatitude, il va vous faire un grand sourire avec un hochement de tête mais dans les faits, il n'a pas compris ce que vous vouliez lui dire.
A plusieurs reprises, avec le groupe, le soir, dans un restaurant, si nous n'avions pas été aidés par une personne d'une autre table qui elle parle un peu l'anglais, nous y serions encore. L’exemple caricatural du serveur qui amène une seule carte (alors qu'on est 10 à table), on est tous à essayer de lui expliquer que nous voulons 4 ou plus de cartes, et 5 minutes après il continue à vous regarder avec son plus grand sourire béat ...
Dans des hôtels 3* ou 4*, vous allez les voir pour un problème d'eau chaude ou de climatisation. Il y en a 3 ou 4 qui vous regardent avec un air radieux, on essaye de leur expliquer, avec des photos, ou avec un traducteur, mais au final vous repartez car votre problème n'est pas réglé.
Ils ne savent pas parler, ils crient ... en bus, à l'hôtel ...
On a eu aussi la surprise de voir que les laveries automatiques étaient quasi inexistantes; du coup nous nous sommes faits piéger une fois à l'hôtel avec une somme astronomique !
Côté vol, à l'aller avec Air China et au retour avec Austrian AirLine : il n'y pas photo. Aucun service et une bouffe "à gerber" avec Air China. Avec Austrian, plusieurs services, un repas plutôt "élaboré", et des hôtesses souriantes.
Je ne sais pas si vous avez eu cette même expérience de ce pays, mais je ne suis pas du tout chaud pour y retourner. Alors que si demain on me propose l'Inde, la Thailande ou le Viet Nam par exemple, j'y retourne de suite !!!
Bonjour,
Je voudrais partir 1 semaine en Septembre (apparemment meilleure saison) pour visiter Pékin et la grande muraille. Pour des raisons de temps et économiques, je n'envisage pas plus et pas plus longtemps. Est-ce pratique pour partir seul et en indépendant avec un budget limité ?
Pour le choix de l'hôtel, quel(s) quartier serai(ent) le plus recommandé(s) ? Comment faire pour le transport "aéroport - hôtel ?" Existe-il des agences locales qui organisent des visites guidées (en Français si possible...) ? Comment me rendre depuis Pékin, à la grande muraille ? Peut-on prendre des photos où on veut ? Y-a-til des restrictions ? Quels sont les risques spécifiques à ce pays et cette région ?
Je voudrais partir 1 semaine en Septembre (apparemment meilleure saison) pour visiter Pékin et la grande muraille. Pour des raisons de temps et économiques, je n'envisage pas plus et pas plus longtemps. Est-ce pratique pour partir seul et en indépendant avec un budget limité ?
Pour le choix de l'hôtel, quel(s) quartier serai(ent) le plus recommandé(s) ? Comment faire pour le transport "aéroport - hôtel ?" Existe-il des agences locales qui organisent des visites guidées (en Français si possible...) ? Comment me rendre depuis Pékin, à la grande muraille ? Peut-on prendre des photos où on veut ? Y-a-til des restrictions ? Quels sont les risques spécifiques à ce pays et cette région ?
Hi everyone
I’m currently planning my trip to China for next August.
I’m starting from scratch, so I’m counting on your advice and firsthand experiences!
For now, I only know that I’ll arrive in China via Beijing, Shanghai, or Hong Kong and leave 15 days later from another one of these three cities.
In between, I’d love to explore a mountainous and natural region in the countryside.
The Guilin area really appeals to me with its spectacular landscapes.
I still have tons of questions:
- What can you do during this often humid season?
- Is it better to go through a local agency or organize everything yourself?
- What itineraries would you recommend?
Anyway, everything’s still up in the air, and I can’t wait to read your opinions, suggestions, and great tips to help me build this trip!
Bonjour,
Je souhaite partir en Novembre 2017 en Chine avec mon chéri (je m'y prend Très à l'avance je sais!). J'aurais donc besoin de vos avis sur mon itinéraire. Il semble assez chargé mais je veux pouvoir visiter un maximum de choses car je ne compte pas y retourner de si tôt (j'ai beaucoup d'autres projets de voyages). J'ai tout de même essayé de m'aménager des journées de repos!
Jour 1 : Départ de Nice
Jour 2 : Pékin (Arrivée dans l'après midi) – 3 nuits
Jour 3 : Pékin
Grande muraille (Mutianyu)
Jour 4 : Pékin
Palais d’été Kung fu du theatre rouge
Jour 5 : Pékin
Cité interdite Train de nuit jusqu'à Xi'an /Trajet 13h /60 euros
Jour 6 : Xi'an – 1 nuit
Mausolée de l’empereur Qin/Armée de terre cuite
Jour 7 : Chengdu - 1 nuit
Bus jusqu'à l'aéroport de Xi'an /Trajet 1h Avion jusqu'à Chengdu /Trajet 1h50 /60 euros Taxi jusqu'à l'hôtel /Trajet 40min Visite de la ville (Journée repos)
Jour 8 : Chengdu et Jiuzhaigou
Centre de recherche sur le panda Taxi jusqu'à l'aéroport /Trajet 40 min Avion jusqu'à Jiuzhaigou / Trajet 50 min /140 euros Bus jusqu'au parc /Trajet 1h30 Jiuzhaigou – 2 nuits
Jour 9 : Jiuzhaigou
Visite du parc
Jour 10 : Guilin - 2 nuits
Bus jusqu'à l'aéroport /Trajet 1h30 Avion jusqu’à Chengdu /Trajet 40 min /140 euros Avion jusqu’à Guilin /Trajet 1h50 /150 euros Taxi jusqu'à l'hôtel /Trajet 40min
Jour 11 : Guilin
Visite Guilin (Journée repos)
Jour 12 : Ping'an - 1 nuit
Bus /Trajet 2h Bus /Trajet 30 min Visite des rizières
Jour 13 : Ping'an
Visite des rizières Bus jusqu'à Guilin /Trajet 30 min Bus jusqu'à Guilin /Trajet 2h Guilin - 1 nuit
Jour 14 : Yangshuo - 2 nuits
Bus jusqu'à Yangshuo /Trajet 1h30 Visite Yangshuo (Journée repos) Spectacle Impression Liu Sanjie
Jour 15 : Yangshuo
Randonnée à vélo
Jour 16 : Xingping - 1 nuit
Bus jusqu'à Xingping /Trajet 1h Radeau de bambou sur la rivière Li
Jour 17 : Pékin - 1 nuit
Bus jusqu'à Yangshuo /Trajet 1h Bus jusqu’à Guilin/Trajet 1h30 Avion jusqu'à Pékin /Trajet 3h /130 euros
Jour 18 : Avion jusqu’à Nice
Mon itinéraire est tout à fait modulable si vous avez une meilleure idée de programme à me proposer. Je constate que le budget pour les transports est assez conséquent :-(
J'ai également quelques questions:
Quel est le meilleur moyen de rejoindre la grande muraille? Bus? Taxi? Chauffeur privé? Même question pour le mausolée de l'empereur Qin. Comment rejoindre Guilin depuis Jiuzhaigou plus facilement ? Avez-vous un planning plus pratique à me proposer pour visiter Guilin /Ping'an /Yangshuo /Xingping ? Avez-vous des bons plans sur Guilin et alentours pour les logements (chambre et salle de bain privée), randonnées, radeau de bambou ?
En vous remerciant par avance pour vos réponses.
Je souhaite partir en Novembre 2017 en Chine avec mon chéri (je m'y prend Très à l'avance je sais!). J'aurais donc besoin de vos avis sur mon itinéraire. Il semble assez chargé mais je veux pouvoir visiter un maximum de choses car je ne compte pas y retourner de si tôt (j'ai beaucoup d'autres projets de voyages). J'ai tout de même essayé de m'aménager des journées de repos!
Jour 1 : Départ de Nice
Jour 2 : Pékin (Arrivée dans l'après midi) – 3 nuits
Jour 3 : Pékin
Grande muraille (Mutianyu)
Jour 4 : Pékin
Palais d’été Kung fu du theatre rouge
Jour 5 : Pékin
Cité interdite Train de nuit jusqu'à Xi'an /Trajet 13h /60 euros
Jour 6 : Xi'an – 1 nuit
Mausolée de l’empereur Qin/Armée de terre cuite
Jour 7 : Chengdu - 1 nuit
Bus jusqu'à l'aéroport de Xi'an /Trajet 1h Avion jusqu'à Chengdu /Trajet 1h50 /60 euros Taxi jusqu'à l'hôtel /Trajet 40min Visite de la ville (Journée repos)
Jour 8 : Chengdu et Jiuzhaigou
Centre de recherche sur le panda Taxi jusqu'à l'aéroport /Trajet 40 min Avion jusqu'à Jiuzhaigou / Trajet 50 min /140 euros Bus jusqu'au parc /Trajet 1h30 Jiuzhaigou – 2 nuits
Jour 9 : Jiuzhaigou
Visite du parc
Jour 10 : Guilin - 2 nuits
Bus jusqu'à l'aéroport /Trajet 1h30 Avion jusqu’à Chengdu /Trajet 40 min /140 euros Avion jusqu’à Guilin /Trajet 1h50 /150 euros Taxi jusqu'à l'hôtel /Trajet 40min
Jour 11 : Guilin
Visite Guilin (Journée repos)
Jour 12 : Ping'an - 1 nuit
Bus /Trajet 2h Bus /Trajet 30 min Visite des rizières
Jour 13 : Ping'an
Visite des rizières Bus jusqu'à Guilin /Trajet 30 min Bus jusqu'à Guilin /Trajet 2h Guilin - 1 nuit
Jour 14 : Yangshuo - 2 nuits
Bus jusqu'à Yangshuo /Trajet 1h30 Visite Yangshuo (Journée repos) Spectacle Impression Liu Sanjie
Jour 15 : Yangshuo
Randonnée à vélo
Jour 16 : Xingping - 1 nuit
Bus jusqu'à Xingping /Trajet 1h Radeau de bambou sur la rivière Li
Jour 17 : Pékin - 1 nuit
Bus jusqu'à Yangshuo /Trajet 1h Bus jusqu’à Guilin/Trajet 1h30 Avion jusqu'à Pékin /Trajet 3h /130 euros
Jour 18 : Avion jusqu’à Nice
Mon itinéraire est tout à fait modulable si vous avez une meilleure idée de programme à me proposer. Je constate que le budget pour les transports est assez conséquent :-(
J'ai également quelques questions:
Quel est le meilleur moyen de rejoindre la grande muraille? Bus? Taxi? Chauffeur privé? Même question pour le mausolée de l'empereur Qin. Comment rejoindre Guilin depuis Jiuzhaigou plus facilement ? Avez-vous un planning plus pratique à me proposer pour visiter Guilin /Ping'an /Yangshuo /Xingping ? Avez-vous des bons plans sur Guilin et alentours pour les logements (chambre et salle de bain privée), randonnées, radeau de bambou ?
En vous remerciant par avance pour vos réponses.
Bonjour,
mon 4ème voyage en Chine... Cette fois, je n'ai que 12 jours à Pâques, contraintes de vacances universitaires oblige.
Je me disai : et pourquoi pas un petit trip au Yunnan : vol direct pour Kunming, visite de Dali et ed Lijiang et la foret de pierre de Shilin. C'est mi avril cette année.
Qu'en pensez-vous ? Des suggestions, toujours les bienvenues ?
PS : je retrouve des têtes connues après tant d'années, salut à tous !
mon 4ème voyage en Chine... Cette fois, je n'ai que 12 jours à Pâques, contraintes de vacances universitaires oblige.
Je me disai : et pourquoi pas un petit trip au Yunnan : vol direct pour Kunming, visite de Dali et ed Lijiang et la foret de pierre de Shilin. C'est mi avril cette année.
Qu'en pensez-vous ? Des suggestions, toujours les bienvenues ?
PS : je retrouve des têtes connues après tant d'années, salut à tous !
Bonjour les voyageurs !
Pour le premier voyage en asie de mon copain, nous avons décidé d'allé en Chine. Voila, maintenant pas facile de choisir dans tout ce qu'il y a a faire. Nous partons du 4-18 septembre 2017. Nous sommes un peu inquiet par rapport aux transports principalement et sur la faisabilité de notre plan !
Alors voila ce que qu'on aurait souhaité faire dans un monde idéal!
départ de Montréal le 4 septembre et arrivée le 5 a Beijing
Beijing le 5- 8 septembre nous pensons prendre un train de nuit jusqu'à Xian du 9-11 pour se rendre jusqu'à Guilin.. nous sommes en questionnement ce qui est préférable ? Guilin 12-13 septembre ou nous prendrons probablement un vol ?! vers Hongkong 14-15 septembre et un autre vol ?! pour Shanghai Shanghai 15-18 pour le retour vers Montréal
Qu'est-ce que vous en pensez !? Ca ne sera pas reposant mais c'est possible ? Question Budget a combien pouvons nous estimer les prix de tout ces déplacements ? avez vous des site pour des low cost ? et pour le trains de nuit ?
On prend aussi les propositions d'activités/ Choses a voir !
tant de questions!
Merci 1000 fois!
Virginie et Gabriel
Alors voila ce que qu'on aurait souhaité faire dans un monde idéal!
départ de Montréal le 4 septembre et arrivée le 5 a Beijing
Beijing le 5- 8 septembre nous pensons prendre un train de nuit jusqu'à Xian du 9-11 pour se rendre jusqu'à Guilin.. nous sommes en questionnement ce qui est préférable ? Guilin 12-13 septembre ou nous prendrons probablement un vol ?! vers Hongkong 14-15 septembre et un autre vol ?! pour Shanghai Shanghai 15-18 pour le retour vers Montréal
Qu'est-ce que vous en pensez !? Ca ne sera pas reposant mais c'est possible ? Question Budget a combien pouvons nous estimer les prix de tout ces déplacements ? avez vous des site pour des low cost ? et pour le trains de nuit ?
On prend aussi les propositions d'activités/ Choses a voir !
tant de questions!
Merci 1000 fois!
Virginie et Gabriel
Bonjour à tous
J'ai trouvé un vol Lyon Beijing via Paris à moins de 500 euros. Départ 23/09 retour 11/10.OK.
En revanche, le vol Beinjing-Guilin (02/10 au 06/10) s'affiche plus cher que ce vol international😕 je ne trouve rien à moins de 500 euros aller-retour. Est-ce "normal"? J'ai essayé Ctrip et les prix sont les mêmes que sur d'autres sites...et en avançant le vol au 28/09 retour 03/10 même prix onéreux...'effet "fête nationale"?Y a-t-il une façon d'obtenir ce vol aller-retour Beijing-Guilin à un prix moindre.
Par ailleurs je cherche un hôtel convenable à Yangshuo (ou environs proches) chambre avec lits twin à 60/ 70 euros la nuitée. je sais que la pub est interdite, aussi si quelqu'un a un hôtel à conseiller la réponse peut être sur mon mail perso.
Merci d'avance et bonne journée à tous
Bonjour,
j'arrive à hong kong et j'aimerai reprendre un autre vol 3h plus tard. Est ce suffisant ?
Le passage à la douane et aux contrôles frontières est-il long dans cet aéroport? Le transit entre 2 terminals se fait rapidement?
merci
merci
Bonjour,
nous partons en chine pour un mois le 16 octobre.
je n'arrive pas à trouver comment aller de yangshuo à hainan où nous voulons finir le séjour par qqs jours à la plage.
vu que nous faisons deux vols intérieurs je voulais privilégier d'autres moyens de transport histoire de limiter le budget ! 😛
Y a t il une étape intéressante sur le chemin ?
faut il privilégier le bus ou le train ?
merci de vos réponses !
Virginie
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Bonjour
Je m inquiète pas trop mais quand meme
Nous partons mi avril pour Tokyo mais notre vol avec Air China nous fait faire un stop a Pékin de 3 h
J ai peur qu on ne nous laisse pas descendre a Tokyo et me demande si le mieux n est pas de faire des démarches maintenant ?
Merci
bonjour,
je me permet de soumettre ce message suite à l'annulation du voyage en Chine que je devais effectuer début février dans le nord de la chine (GLA GLA) à l'invitation d'une jeune chinoise ( non je ne fais pas du tourisme sexuel , mais c'est plus facile de parler avec les jeunes chinoises qui pratiquent l'anglais et sont moins timides que les garçons ).
Je partais avec lufthansa qui a annulé tous cs vols donc ils devraient me rembourser.
Par contre, il y a d'autres frais ( parking aéroport et visas en particulier).
Petite info pour les futurs partant pour la Chine habitant dans le sud.
Cela devait être mon 3iéme séjour en chine, et c'était ma 3 iéme demande de visa.
Les 2 première fois j'étais passsé par une agence de Paris bien connu ( pas trop de problèmes).
Et cette fois -ci , à cause de la prise d'empreintes, je me suis rendu au centre de Marseille ( 1 journée pour moi qui habite dans les Cévennes). J'avais prévu les mêmes demandes qu'à Paris.
Et bien NON.
Pour les nuits d'hotel , il ne suffisait pas de 2 nuits ( alors que mon séjour était plus court ).
L'employé ( que j'aurais fusillé si je l'avais pu) m'a dit que je n'avais pas assez de nuits.
Heureusement que c'était le 24 décembre, qu'il n'y avait personne et un ordinateur qui m'a permis de prendre des nuits à beijing pour tout le séjour alors que je ne comptais même pas y passer une nuit , allant dans le nord de la chine à l'invitation d'une chinoise ( oui je sais, mais la lettre d'invitation c'est encore plus compliqué et comme je n'avais pas encore les billets de trains de nuit , j'avais peur que ç a marche pas).
Et attention aussi à la photo d'identité qui doit avoir moins de 3 ou 6 mois.
Donc quelqu'un sait-il comment se faire rembourser ( si possible) les frais annexes comme le frais de parking et le visa ( 200euros avev le service postal) .Avec l'assurance de la carte bancaire?
Je répond par avance.
je considère aussi que cela fait partie des risques du voyage ( c'est pour cela que je ne prend jamais les options annulations en général) mais parfois il y des cas de forces majeures qui te semblent vraiment injustes.
Et je ne parlerais pas de ce qui arrive au peuple chinois qui n'a rien demandé.
PS : amitié à mon guide vers Shandiping qui se reconnaitra. J'ai des nouvelles très fraiches : tout va bien pour l'instant là bas.
Bonjour,
J'ai un peu chercher, mais je n'ai trouvé aucune info récente sur ce sujet...
Est-il possible de rejoindre Taiwan en ferry depuis la Chine?
Si oui, depuis quelle ville, et surtout comment réserver?
Merci d'avance pour votre aide!
J'ai un peu chercher, mais je n'ai trouvé aucune info récente sur ce sujet...
Est-il possible de rejoindre Taiwan en ferry depuis la Chine?
Si oui, depuis quelle ville, et surtout comment réserver?
Merci d'avance pour votre aide!
