Bonjour,
Un peu inquiet pour la qualité du GO dans ce pays vu que j'ai un moteur "moderne" (cad genre HDI) dont les injecteursO supportent mal un GO pourri.
Ma question: il semble qu'on puisse trouver du GO correct à Tashkent (vrai?)
Mai j'arrive du Turkmenistan et je voudrais savoir quelle est la qualité du GO dans ce dernier pays pour savoir si je peux faire le plein avant de rentrer en Uzb.
Et est-ce que c'est 1 bon plan de sortir d'Uzb. pour faire le plein en Kaz. ou Kirg.?
Je sais que ça implique 1 visa plusieurs entrées + perte de temps mais ça ou abimer les injecteurs...
Merci de vos conseils et experience
PS: J'ai 1 réservoir supplémentaire de 70l + 1 jerry de 20l au cas où..
RR.
Bonjour,
devant me rendre en Ouzbékistan prochainement et voyageant avec mon véhicule, j'ai entendu dire que l'approvisionnement en gasoil était très difficile.
Qu'en est il réellement ?
Y a t'il des stations connues avec ce carburant ?
Doit-on trouver celui-ci au marché noir uniquement et quel est sa Qualité dans ce dernier cas ?
merci de vos réponses.
Bonjour,
Je pars cet été sur la route du pamir avec une amie. Comme nous souhaitons la parcourir en partie en stop, je voulais savoir si quelqu'un avait des informations (prix demandé, temps de trajet et fréquence des camions ou voitures) sur les possibilités de monter dans un camion à Sary tash pour Mourgab. Merci d'avance
Camille
Bonjour,
je serai en OUzbekistan en juin-juillet (15 jours) et j'aimerais savoir si vous aviez quelques bonnes adresses à conseiller notamment à Tashkent, Boukhara, Samarkand, Khiva. Idéalement je recherche des petites pensions sympas (d'autant plus que je voyage seule ) ou des logements chez l'habitant et pas trop onéreux.
Merci à tous et à toutes pour vos infos. Si vous avez également des itinéraires à me conseiller je suis également preneuse. j'ai bien ma petite idée mais c'est toujours chouette d'avoir des impressions d'autres voyageurs...
Mudem
je serai en OUzbekistan en juin-juillet (15 jours) et j'aimerais savoir si vous aviez quelques bonnes adresses à conseiller notamment à Tashkent, Boukhara, Samarkand, Khiva. Idéalement je recherche des petites pensions sympas (d'autant plus que je voyage seule ) ou des logements chez l'habitant et pas trop onéreux.
Merci à tous et à toutes pour vos infos. Si vous avez également des itinéraires à me conseiller je suis également preneuse. j'ai bien ma petite idée mais c'est toujours chouette d'avoir des impressions d'autres voyageurs...
Mudem
Hello,
J'aimerais savoir si il existe une possibilite de passage entre Aqtau au Kazakhstan et l'Ouzbekistan sans devoir contourner la mer d'Aral et devoir aller jusqu'a Tachkent...
J'ai un bus WV et avec ce vehicule, j'ai prevu passer par la Turquie, la Georgie, l'Azerbaijan, a Baku prendre le ferry pour Aqtau au Kazakhstan car pour le Turkmenistan la douanne demande entre 100$ et 250$ (400$ selon un Hollandais croise en Iran et qui est passe par la...). Ensuite, depuis Aqtau il y a une voie chemin de fer pour Khiva, et une piste caravanniere, mais je ne sais pas si on peut passer?
J'ai deja le visa Ouzbek et En plus c'est tout nouveau, le Kazakhstan ne demande plus de lettre d'invitation et le visa est facile a obtenir.
merci
J'aimerais savoir si il existe une possibilite de passage entre Aqtau au Kazakhstan et l'Ouzbekistan sans devoir contourner la mer d'Aral et devoir aller jusqu'a Tachkent...
J'ai un bus WV et avec ce vehicule, j'ai prevu passer par la Turquie, la Georgie, l'Azerbaijan, a Baku prendre le ferry pour Aqtau au Kazakhstan car pour le Turkmenistan la douanne demande entre 100$ et 250$ (400$ selon un Hollandais croise en Iran et qui est passe par la...). Ensuite, depuis Aqtau il y a une voie chemin de fer pour Khiva, et une piste caravanniere, mais je ne sais pas si on peut passer?
J'ai deja le visa Ouzbek et En plus c'est tout nouveau, le Kazakhstan ne demande plus de lettre d'invitation et le visa est facile a obtenir.
merci
Another trip planned during Covid. Actually, for 2020, I had three trips booked, with tickets purchased and everything.
This one to Uzbekistan was planned for April 2020. We postponed it to April 2021, but it was canceled again, and we couldn’t reschedule for April 2022 because our friends who were coming with us were busy. So, we chose summer, knowing the temperatures would likely be very high.
We left as a group of five: a couple we usually travel with and one of their friends, whom I knew. She was traveling alone and had dreamed of this trip but didn’t want to go by herself.
For organization, we went through an agency to handle the train tickets and our trip to the Aral Sea. It’s not my usual style, but back in 2020, we were already in touch with them, and they were very understanding during the two cancellations. It wasn’t easy, given the economic crisis Covid caused, especially in Uzbekistan.
Again, I’m writing this travel journal from memory since I didn’t take any notes. (It’s good to give your brain a workout now and then!)
Day 1: Off to Tashkent
We flew in the afternoon to Istanbul, had a 2-hour-15-minute layover in Turkey, and then took an overnight flight to arrive early in the morning in Tashkent. Problem (again): just before taking off from Saint-Exupéry, the plane had an issue with the landing gear. We waited two hours, and after a few hammer and wrench adjustments, we finally took off. Of course, by the time we arrived in Istanbul, it was a mad dash through the airport to catch our connecting flight. We landed at 7:30 AM in Tashkent, and of the five suitcases in our little group, two were missing (one of ours and the solo traveler’s). Big problem because we were leaving at 2:30 PM by train for the Aral Sea, and we wouldn’t be near an airport again for three days. Plus, at the small airport in the Uzbek capital, no one spoke English (or French, or the Ardèche dialect). Fortunately, we had booked a guide for a quick morning tour of the capital. We had seven hours to kill, and it seemed smart to do it this way (and yes, sometimes we do think ahead). With him speaking English and, more importantly, Uzbek, the delivery of our suitcases was arranged.
So, we set off to explore the capital. It’s very Soviet in design—wide avenues and ugly buildings.
We visited the Khasti Imam historical complex (first name to pronounce at your own risk—there will be plenty more during the trip). Lots of "oohs" and "aahs" about how beautiful it was, but in the end, compared to what we saw later, it was really just small potatoes.
We checked out Chorsu Bazaar, the city’s large covered market. The guide was friendly and gave us plenty of tips for the rest of the trip. He suggested a restaurant, which we accepted, so we could get familiar with local customs. The good thing was, it didn’t seem like a tourist trap.
Next, we headed to the train station because our train was at 2:30 PM. The guide left us, and then another problem arose. While going through security, one of the staff made it clear that our train was canceled and our ticket needed to be changed to the train leaving around 8:20 PM. Heatwave moment (it was 38°C). Our issue was that we were supposed to arrive in Nukus (our destination) at 6:00 AM and take a minibus for a round trip to Moynaq and the Aral Sea (four hours each way). The plan was to spend 2-3 hours there and return, so a 10-11-hour timeline. Leaving at 6:00 AM made it doable, but with the train now leaving at 8:20 PM, we’d arrive in Nukus at noon, which messed up the rest of the plan.
I was fuming at the agency (I really don’t like using agencies), so I called the local contact, who quickly sent our guide back (because trying to communicate, change tickets, and get information was tough).
I asked the manager to find us flight tickets to make up for the delay, but nothing—zilch—was possible. We were stuck! My buddy and I were determined to get to Moynaq, but the women in the group were less motivated.
No choice but to board the train for an overnight journey. We had a cabin for two (and our friend had one to herself). Big scare at first—no AC, and it felt like 150°. They told us it would work once the train started moving, which it did. A frugal meal in the dining car (spaghetti with meat—the only dish on offer) and we had a good night’s sleep.
The +: Finally, we’re here! The -: A lot of hassles to start the trip
We left as a group of five: a couple we usually travel with and one of their friends, whom I knew. She was traveling alone and had dreamed of this trip but didn’t want to go by herself.
For organization, we went through an agency to handle the train tickets and our trip to the Aral Sea. It’s not my usual style, but back in 2020, we were already in touch with them, and they were very understanding during the two cancellations. It wasn’t easy, given the economic crisis Covid caused, especially in Uzbekistan.
Again, I’m writing this travel journal from memory since I didn’t take any notes. (It’s good to give your brain a workout now and then!)
Day 1: Off to Tashkent
We flew in the afternoon to Istanbul, had a 2-hour-15-minute layover in Turkey, and then took an overnight flight to arrive early in the morning in Tashkent. Problem (again): just before taking off from Saint-Exupéry, the plane had an issue with the landing gear. We waited two hours, and after a few hammer and wrench adjustments, we finally took off. Of course, by the time we arrived in Istanbul, it was a mad dash through the airport to catch our connecting flight. We landed at 7:30 AM in Tashkent, and of the five suitcases in our little group, two were missing (one of ours and the solo traveler’s). Big problem because we were leaving at 2:30 PM by train for the Aral Sea, and we wouldn’t be near an airport again for three days. Plus, at the small airport in the Uzbek capital, no one spoke English (or French, or the Ardèche dialect). Fortunately, we had booked a guide for a quick morning tour of the capital. We had seven hours to kill, and it seemed smart to do it this way (and yes, sometimes we do think ahead). With him speaking English and, more importantly, Uzbek, the delivery of our suitcases was arranged.
So, we set off to explore the capital. It’s very Soviet in design—wide avenues and ugly buildings.
We visited the Khasti Imam historical complex (first name to pronounce at your own risk—there will be plenty more during the trip). Lots of "oohs" and "aahs" about how beautiful it was, but in the end, compared to what we saw later, it was really just small potatoes.
We checked out Chorsu Bazaar, the city’s large covered market. The guide was friendly and gave us plenty of tips for the rest of the trip. He suggested a restaurant, which we accepted, so we could get familiar with local customs. The good thing was, it didn’t seem like a tourist trap.
Next, we headed to the train station because our train was at 2:30 PM. The guide left us, and then another problem arose. While going through security, one of the staff made it clear that our train was canceled and our ticket needed to be changed to the train leaving around 8:20 PM. Heatwave moment (it was 38°C). Our issue was that we were supposed to arrive in Nukus (our destination) at 6:00 AM and take a minibus for a round trip to Moynaq and the Aral Sea (four hours each way). The plan was to spend 2-3 hours there and return, so a 10-11-hour timeline. Leaving at 6:00 AM made it doable, but with the train now leaving at 8:20 PM, we’d arrive in Nukus at noon, which messed up the rest of the plan.
I was fuming at the agency (I really don’t like using agencies), so I called the local contact, who quickly sent our guide back (because trying to communicate, change tickets, and get information was tough).
I asked the manager to find us flight tickets to make up for the delay, but nothing—zilch—was possible. We were stuck! My buddy and I were determined to get to Moynaq, but the women in the group were less motivated.
No choice but to board the train for an overnight journey. We had a cabin for two (and our friend had one to herself). Big scare at first—no AC, and it felt like 150°. They told us it would work once the train started moving, which it did. A frugal meal in the dining car (spaghetti with meat—the only dish on offer) and we had a good night’s sleep.
The +: Finally, we’re here! The -: A lot of hassles to start the trip
Hello tous,
C'est avec plaisir que je vous fait partager notre voyage de l'été 2019 dans les pays en stan.🙂
La version complète est ici, elle se construit au même rythme que je fais paraitre mes posts
GENESE Mais quelle idée d’aller dans les stan ! En fait, à l’origine cela devait être le Ladakh (joliment raconté par Diamina et Ticapi que je salue). Mais la crainte de ne pas arriver à tenir sur des treks de longues durées et le fait de ne pas pouvoir conduire moi-même m’ont incité à chercher une alternative. C’est là que Marie(Mlefevre) a eu le bon goût de publier un carnet sur le Kirghizistan et Perju de relater son voyage dans les stans, les deux en self drive …. C’est bon on tient notre destination 2019 ! Au niveau pays, ambiance, c’est d‘abord le corridor de Wakham et le Pamir qui m’ont séduit et ce sera le « centre » du voyage. En revanche je n’ai pas trouvé grand-chose au niveau véhicule de location au Tadjikistan. Comme ce voyage se faisait avec des amis de longues dates (avec qui on a déjà sillonné la Bolivie et le nord-ouest de la Namibie) j’ai trouvé intéressant d’y adjoindre un petit bout de Kirghizistan qui leur permettait de voir un autre type de paysage et en plus il est beaucoup plus facile de louer un véhicule à Bishkek. Lorsque ma chère et tendre a vu que nous n’étions pas loin de Samarcande (qu’on avait admiré en 2007) elle a souhaité y retourner. Du coup cela nous a fait un voyage avec 3 ambiances différentes, ce qui est génial pour nous. Niveau durée il a fallu rajouter un petit bout aux 3 semaines initialement prévues pour arriver à tout faire tenir.
PREPARATION
A partir de là j’ai commencé à construire notre parcours. En parallèle j’ai fait des recherches (et demandes) pour le véhicule. Au final, j’ai retenu une agence Ouzbek francophone qui a tout de suite compris nos problématiques d’Européens (véhicule récent, avec matériel de camping, avec les différents transferts et qui prend en charge les quelques réservations d’hôtels, guides, etc, ..). Le véhicule sera donc un Toyota Prado de 2012. La compagnie aérienne sera Turkish Airline qui dessert très bien les pays en Stan (même un vol Samarcande - Istanbul) Visas: pour le Kirghizistan il est délivré directement à l'aéroport, en revanche pour le Tadjikistan il faut le demander à l'avance. ATTENTION, le Pamir nécessite un permis particulier (comme c'est une région semi-autonome), il faut le demander en même temps que le visa en cochant la case permit GBAO (région autonome duHaut-Badakhchan).
OUTILS Comme c'est une destination encore peu couru en self drive je vais développer un peu plus que d'hab. Au niveau guide papier: Je n'ai pas mis de "S" car il n’y en a eu quasiment qu’un, mais qui pour le coup est parfait pour qui veut voyager comme nous : le nouveau guide de Cecile Miramont et Laurent Bendel : KIRGHIZISTAN TADJIKISTAN, qui a été écrit à destination des self-drivers et qui propose différents itinéraires commentés. Mon conseil, après le voyage : le guide n’enjolive pas les choses et s’adresse plutôt aux personnes ayant déjà des notions de « off road » ou de voyage « solitaire », donc quand ils écrivent "difficile" ça l’est vraiment, même "moyen" c’est déjà costaud. Par forcément au niveau difficulté de la piste elle-même mais par la dangerosité liée à la solitude, le peu de traces et le risque de croiser des gués plus ou moins remplis. Au niveau carte: il y en a une très belle et complète pour le Pamir, il s'agit de celle de Markus Hauser édité par Gekco Maps.
Comme je suis très GPS j'ai fait pas mal de recherches. Pour Garmin je n'ai pas été plus séduit que ça. Du coup je me suis penché sur les applications Android. Je connaissais déjà MAPS.ME qui est très bien mais sans courbe de niveaux, j'ai donc aussi testé GAIA, OSMAND, TERRA MAP et SOVIET MILITARY MAPS. Cette dernière est celle qui offre le plus de possibilités de cartographie plus ou moins détaillée, dont les fameuses cartes militaires Russes ultra détaillées. Mais au final c'est OSMAND que j'ai utilisé le plus pendant le voyage, je pense même que cette application remplacera GARMIN dans mon véhicule. MAPS.ME est très bien, mais au niveau topographie elle est un cran en dessous et je l'ai trouvé moins pratique pour gérer les itinéraires. Ce qui est dommage, c'est que toutes ces applications n'ont pas leur pendant sur PC, ce qui aurait été pratique pour préparer le voyage. Du coup je fais tout sur Mapsource et je transfers ensuite les waypoints sur les applications. J'ai aussi utilisé une application où les voyageurs indiquent les lieux de bivouac (ou autre) qui leur ont plu. Il s'agit de IOVERLANDER, très bonne application également. Dernier outil et non des moindres: les CBT, ce sont les offices de tourisme version Kirghize, il y en a dans les principales villes touristiques. Ils sont du grande aide et ont bien souvent un site internet, par exemple sur celui de Nryn on peut acheter, à l'avance, les permis pour la zone frontalière. Ils peuvent aussi vous indiquer des randonnées, en organiser avec des guides, gérer les hébergements, ... Pour le Pamir vous avez l'équivalent qui se nomme PECTA, nous y achèterons les permis pour circuler dans le parc de Zorgul. Il y a aussi le site visitpamirs.com qui regroupe un certain nombre d'informations.
RAVITAILLEMENT et EQUIPEMENT : au Kirghizistan aucun problème, en revanche au Tadjikistan c’est une autre histoire, sur les hauts plateaux très peu de choses disponibles, mais comme on s’y attendait on avait amené des « sachets de graines ». Au niveau vestimentaire il faut de quoi résister au froid (polaire, doudoune, bonnet) mais sans que ce soit extrême non plus (je crois que nous n'avons jamais eu des températures négatives). EN revanche pour la nuit vaut mieux avoir de bon duvets, il a fait entre 0° et 15° suivant l'altitude et la localisation.
Compagnie Turkish Airline qui dessert très bien les pays en Stan (même un vol Samarcande - Istanbul)
GENESE Mais quelle idée d’aller dans les stan ! En fait, à l’origine cela devait être le Ladakh (joliment raconté par Diamina et Ticapi que je salue). Mais la crainte de ne pas arriver à tenir sur des treks de longues durées et le fait de ne pas pouvoir conduire moi-même m’ont incité à chercher une alternative. C’est là que Marie(Mlefevre) a eu le bon goût de publier un carnet sur le Kirghizistan et Perju de relater son voyage dans les stans, les deux en self drive …. C’est bon on tient notre destination 2019 ! Au niveau pays, ambiance, c’est d‘abord le corridor de Wakham et le Pamir qui m’ont séduit et ce sera le « centre » du voyage. En revanche je n’ai pas trouvé grand-chose au niveau véhicule de location au Tadjikistan. Comme ce voyage se faisait avec des amis de longues dates (avec qui on a déjà sillonné la Bolivie et le nord-ouest de la Namibie) j’ai trouvé intéressant d’y adjoindre un petit bout de Kirghizistan qui leur permettait de voir un autre type de paysage et en plus il est beaucoup plus facile de louer un véhicule à Bishkek. Lorsque ma chère et tendre a vu que nous n’étions pas loin de Samarcande (qu’on avait admiré en 2007) elle a souhaité y retourner. Du coup cela nous a fait un voyage avec 3 ambiances différentes, ce qui est génial pour nous. Niveau durée il a fallu rajouter un petit bout aux 3 semaines initialement prévues pour arriver à tout faire tenir.
PREPARATION
A partir de là j’ai commencé à construire notre parcours. En parallèle j’ai fait des recherches (et demandes) pour le véhicule. Au final, j’ai retenu une agence Ouzbek francophone qui a tout de suite compris nos problématiques d’Européens (véhicule récent, avec matériel de camping, avec les différents transferts et qui prend en charge les quelques réservations d’hôtels, guides, etc, ..). Le véhicule sera donc un Toyota Prado de 2012. La compagnie aérienne sera Turkish Airline qui dessert très bien les pays en Stan (même un vol Samarcande - Istanbul) Visas: pour le Kirghizistan il est délivré directement à l'aéroport, en revanche pour le Tadjikistan il faut le demander à l'avance. ATTENTION, le Pamir nécessite un permis particulier (comme c'est une région semi-autonome), il faut le demander en même temps que le visa en cochant la case permit GBAO (région autonome duHaut-Badakhchan).
OUTILS Comme c'est une destination encore peu couru en self drive je vais développer un peu plus que d'hab. Au niveau guide papier: Je n'ai pas mis de "S" car il n’y en a eu quasiment qu’un, mais qui pour le coup est parfait pour qui veut voyager comme nous : le nouveau guide de Cecile Miramont et Laurent Bendel : KIRGHIZISTAN TADJIKISTAN, qui a été écrit à destination des self-drivers et qui propose différents itinéraires commentés. Mon conseil, après le voyage : le guide n’enjolive pas les choses et s’adresse plutôt aux personnes ayant déjà des notions de « off road » ou de voyage « solitaire », donc quand ils écrivent "difficile" ça l’est vraiment, même "moyen" c’est déjà costaud. Par forcément au niveau difficulté de la piste elle-même mais par la dangerosité liée à la solitude, le peu de traces et le risque de croiser des gués plus ou moins remplis. Au niveau carte: il y en a une très belle et complète pour le Pamir, il s'agit de celle de Markus Hauser édité par Gekco Maps.
Comme je suis très GPS j'ai fait pas mal de recherches. Pour Garmin je n'ai pas été plus séduit que ça. Du coup je me suis penché sur les applications Android. Je connaissais déjà MAPS.ME qui est très bien mais sans courbe de niveaux, j'ai donc aussi testé GAIA, OSMAND, TERRA MAP et SOVIET MILITARY MAPS. Cette dernière est celle qui offre le plus de possibilités de cartographie plus ou moins détaillée, dont les fameuses cartes militaires Russes ultra détaillées. Mais au final c'est OSMAND que j'ai utilisé le plus pendant le voyage, je pense même que cette application remplacera GARMIN dans mon véhicule. MAPS.ME est très bien, mais au niveau topographie elle est un cran en dessous et je l'ai trouvé moins pratique pour gérer les itinéraires. Ce qui est dommage, c'est que toutes ces applications n'ont pas leur pendant sur PC, ce qui aurait été pratique pour préparer le voyage. Du coup je fais tout sur Mapsource et je transfers ensuite les waypoints sur les applications. J'ai aussi utilisé une application où les voyageurs indiquent les lieux de bivouac (ou autre) qui leur ont plu. Il s'agit de IOVERLANDER, très bonne application également. Dernier outil et non des moindres: les CBT, ce sont les offices de tourisme version Kirghize, il y en a dans les principales villes touristiques. Ils sont du grande aide et ont bien souvent un site internet, par exemple sur celui de Nryn on peut acheter, à l'avance, les permis pour la zone frontalière. Ils peuvent aussi vous indiquer des randonnées, en organiser avec des guides, gérer les hébergements, ... Pour le Pamir vous avez l'équivalent qui se nomme PECTA, nous y achèterons les permis pour circuler dans le parc de Zorgul. Il y a aussi le site visitpamirs.com qui regroupe un certain nombre d'informations.
RAVITAILLEMENT et EQUIPEMENT : au Kirghizistan aucun problème, en revanche au Tadjikistan c’est une autre histoire, sur les hauts plateaux très peu de choses disponibles, mais comme on s’y attendait on avait amené des « sachets de graines ». Au niveau vestimentaire il faut de quoi résister au froid (polaire, doudoune, bonnet) mais sans que ce soit extrême non plus (je crois que nous n'avons jamais eu des températures négatives). EN revanche pour la nuit vaut mieux avoir de bon duvets, il a fait entre 0° et 15° suivant l'altitude et la localisation.
Compagnie Turkish Airline qui dessert très bien les pays en Stan (même un vol Samarcande - Istanbul)
Bonjour à tous,
Je prévois un voyage en camping car à Samarcande. Je voyage seul et je voudrais connaitre le meilleur itinéraire du moment en tenant compte des différents facteurs tels que géopolitique, obtentions visas, tracas administratifs ... Je planifie mon départ pour Juin/Juillet 2018.
Merci de pour vos informations.
Cordialement
Yan
Je prévois un voyage en camping car à Samarcande. Je voyage seul et je voudrais connaitre le meilleur itinéraire du moment en tenant compte des différents facteurs tels que géopolitique, obtentions visas, tracas administratifs ... Je planifie mon départ pour Juin/Juillet 2018.
Merci de pour vos informations.
Cordialement
Yan
Bonjour à tous,
il y a quelques mois je commençais à poser quelque questions sur une envie de voyage, aujourd'hui, l'envie devient projet puisque la retraite arrive dans un 1 an.
Tout d'abord une première présentation s'impose :
- Nous sommes un couple - nous disposons d'un HDJ 100 préparé avec tente de toit - nous souhaitons partir en asie centrale entre 3 et 4 mois - Nous avons une bonne connaissance des raids (26 ans de raids en afrique)
--
pour l'instant je veux pas rentrer dans le détail du parcours, mais je souhaite simplement aborder les grandes lignes, afin de commencer la préparation sérieuse du périple.
1/ nous aimerions passer par la Russie, la Mongolie, l'Ouzbekistan, le Kazakhstan, le Kirghizistan, etc ... (je ne parle pas des pays européens). 2/ dans quel sens est-il préférable de faire le parcours (le passage des frontières est peut être plus facile dans un sens que dans l'autre) 3/ y a t il des pays qu'il vaut mieux éviter (tracassseries administratives, peu d'intérêt, etc ...) 4/ est-il intéressant de partir jusqu'en Mongolie ? il y a peut être aussi bien plus près ? 5/ la meilleure période 6/ le prix des visas 7/ un budget de 2000 à 2500 euros par mois est-il suffisant ?
merci pour ces premières infos d'ordre général
Tout d'abord une première présentation s'impose :
- Nous sommes un couple - nous disposons d'un HDJ 100 préparé avec tente de toit - nous souhaitons partir en asie centrale entre 3 et 4 mois - Nous avons une bonne connaissance des raids (26 ans de raids en afrique)
--
pour l'instant je veux pas rentrer dans le détail du parcours, mais je souhaite simplement aborder les grandes lignes, afin de commencer la préparation sérieuse du périple.
1/ nous aimerions passer par la Russie, la Mongolie, l'Ouzbekistan, le Kazakhstan, le Kirghizistan, etc ... (je ne parle pas des pays européens). 2/ dans quel sens est-il préférable de faire le parcours (le passage des frontières est peut être plus facile dans un sens que dans l'autre) 3/ y a t il des pays qu'il vaut mieux éviter (tracassseries administratives, peu d'intérêt, etc ...) 4/ est-il intéressant de partir jusqu'en Mongolie ? il y a peut être aussi bien plus près ? 5/ la meilleure période 6/ le prix des visas 7/ un budget de 2000 à 2500 euros par mois est-il suffisant ?
merci pour ces premières infos d'ordre général
Voici quelques tuyaux concernant la vallée de Ferghana en Ouzbékistan, où j'étais en Juillet 2010.
Cette région ne présente aucun risque et mérite d’être visitée si on a un peu de temps.Les voyageurs auront quelques difficultés pour trouver à se loger car beaucoup de villes sont en travaux alors il ne faut pas trop faire les difficiles.
Namangan : d’après tout ce que l’on nous a dit sur place, les adresses indiquées dans les guides n’existent plus dans le centre ville. La solution est de loger dans les nombreux hôtels en périphérie, 35 dollars pour une personne, 50 dollars pour deux personnes avec petit déjeuner. si vous trouvez ces tarifs trop élevés, continuer jusqu'à Andijan...
Pour se rendre de Tashkent dans la vallée de Feghana, se faire déposer par un taxi à Kuluk, sortie de Tashkent.
Tashkent-Namangan : 40 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Andijan
Hôtel Andijan, dans le centre ville : 42 000 sums pour deux sans le petit déjeuner.
Namangan-Andijan : 3 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Ferghana : B and B Olga et Valentine, adresse dans les guides (si l’expérience de la chambre d’hôtes en HLM vous tente…)
10 dollars par personne sans le petit déjeuner.
De Ferghana on se rend en 10 minutes à Marguilan...
Kokand: Hôtel Nigina tel :552 85 33 KOKAND
Les adresses indiquées dans les guides n’existent plus dans le centre ville. Un petit hôtel vient heureusement d’ouvrir avec quelques chambres, un peu à l’extérieur de la ville …
Du centre ville en voiture, passer devant le Palis, continuer en direction de Tashkent, dépasser le grand stade et faire 500 mètres. Dès que l’on voit une immense cheminée, à ce grand rond-point, prendre la route sur la gauche. L’hôtel se trouve à 400 mètres sur le côté droit, il est proche de plusieurs garages.
Le mini-bus n°8, qui part du bazar, passe aussi devant l’hôtel.
30 000 sums environ par personne sans le petit déjeuner.
Ferghana-Kokand : 5 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Kokand-Tashkent 12 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Renseignements à compléter suivant vos expériences....
Richard
Cette région ne présente aucun risque et mérite d’être visitée si on a un peu de temps.Les voyageurs auront quelques difficultés pour trouver à se loger car beaucoup de villes sont en travaux alors il ne faut pas trop faire les difficiles.
Namangan : d’après tout ce que l’on nous a dit sur place, les adresses indiquées dans les guides n’existent plus dans le centre ville. La solution est de loger dans les nombreux hôtels en périphérie, 35 dollars pour une personne, 50 dollars pour deux personnes avec petit déjeuner. si vous trouvez ces tarifs trop élevés, continuer jusqu'à Andijan...
Pour se rendre de Tashkent dans la vallée de Feghana, se faire déposer par un taxi à Kuluk, sortie de Tashkent.
Tashkent-Namangan : 40 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Andijan
Hôtel Andijan, dans le centre ville : 42 000 sums pour deux sans le petit déjeuner.
Namangan-Andijan : 3 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Ferghana : B and B Olga et Valentine, adresse dans les guides (si l’expérience de la chambre d’hôtes en HLM vous tente…)
10 dollars par personne sans le petit déjeuner.
De Ferghana on se rend en 10 minutes à Marguilan...
Kokand: Hôtel Nigina tel :552 85 33 KOKAND
Les adresses indiquées dans les guides n’existent plus dans le centre ville. Un petit hôtel vient heureusement d’ouvrir avec quelques chambres, un peu à l’extérieur de la ville …
Du centre ville en voiture, passer devant le Palis, continuer en direction de Tashkent, dépasser le grand stade et faire 500 mètres. Dès que l’on voit une immense cheminée, à ce grand rond-point, prendre la route sur la gauche. L’hôtel se trouve à 400 mètres sur le côté droit, il est proche de plusieurs garages.
Le mini-bus n°8, qui part du bazar, passe aussi devant l’hôtel.
30 000 sums environ par personne sans le petit déjeuner.
Ferghana-Kokand : 5 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Kokand-Tashkent 12 000 sums par personne en taxi collectif.
Renseignements à compléter suivant vos expériences....
Richard
From Beijing to Khiva: China, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan
Chronicle of anecdotes, highlights, and other adventures that marked this eight-week journey in 2018.
The Chinese Far West More than 30 years after my first trip to eastern China, I finally fulfilled an old dream: traveling solo from Beijing to the far west, discovering Xinjiang, the Uyghur people and the oppression they endure, the oases of Turpan and Kashgar, the Taklamakan Desert, the end of the Great Wall... The route was covered by train.
MENU PART 1: CHINA
1- Beijing (Jiankou) : the authentic Great Wall, without tourists 2- Cycling in Beijing, the best way to get around 3- Beijing : departure for the far west 4- Jiayuguan : getting by without English 5- Jiayuguan : scams and heritage 6- Dunhuang : abundance in the middle of the desert 7- Turpan : the Uyghurs under heavy surveillance 8- Kashgar : love at first sight for the old city 9- Kashgar : China’s recipe for controlling the populace 10- Tashkurgan : what on earth was I thinking going there! Kyrgyz border: a surreal epic Photo album from the 80s, contributions from other travelers (page 2)
1- JIANKOU Finding the authentic Great Wall, without tourists or a guide Friday, August 24, 2018 Thirty years later, I didn’t feel like revisiting the Great Wall at Badaling or any other overcrowded site. I chose to explore it at Jiankou, in its wildest, most authentic, and unrestored section, starting from a lost village deep in a valley—though it wasn’t *that* lost, since it had everything for communication.
No need to pay for a taxi to get there—by timing it right, you can take the bus for just a few yuan. You have to get off at Xizhazi, the bus terminus. Be careful, there are only two buses a day in each direction. At the Xizhazi bus stop, I met a young couple who’d arrived with zero information about what to expect. We hiked the three of us toward the restored section of Mutianyu.
Still, be cautious With GPS and a topographic map (OpenTopoMap), you can set off without a problem or guide. The trail up to Jiankou is easy and well-marked. The trails down are too. But be careful—once you’re on the Wall, it’s real mountain hiking, with easy but dangerous climbing sections (over sheer drops). Not for amateurs or those afraid of heights! But what a reward. The Wall all to yourself, where it’s at its most daring. Truly mesmerizing.
More photos...
2- BEIJING The best way to get around the capital Sunday, August 26 The best way to explore the city is still by bike. Most are in a bike-share system, but you need to use an app—WeChat, the app that does everything, like monitoring your every move. No way I was installing that.
I found one at a rental shop near the hostel. The key is to quickly learn local traffic customs to minimize risks. Bike lanes are wide along the avenues.
But you still have to: - Watch out for anything parked on the bike paths—the most annoying are people napping or talking on the phone in their cars - Keep an eye on everything coming the wrong way—the list is long - The worst is right turns on red, which in Chinese traffic rules seem to have priority Once you get the hang of it, it’s fine. The city is huge but flat, so you can just wing it.
3- BEIJING By train to the far west Sunday, August 26 Beijing West Station is the size and operates like an airport. With your e-ticket from the agency, you first have to pick up your ticket at the special "English" counter, after passing through security. With your ticket in hand, you have to exit and enter through the boarding waiting area—not the platform—after a second security check.
Then you find the right hall and wait for the sign to finally access the platform. In the end, it works pretty well given the incredible number of passengers to manage. Everywhere in Beijing, I saw that the Chinese have mastered crowd flow management.
Nice surprise: second-class carriages are clean, air-conditioned, and bright. Perfect, since I was in for 20 hours. One uniformed attendant per carriage, mobile meal service—luxury! Small downside: no luggage space. Hauling your suitcase up to the top bunk is quite a workout. I was in the middle, so it wasn’t too bad. The landscape, though, whether rural or urban, is pretty bleak. That should change once we leave the eastern plains.
Of course, I got my first police visit, with a thorough passport check and bag search. I was warned—going to the Chinese far west exposes you to this kind of hassle. But they were polite and respectful.
The Chinese Far West
4- JIAYUGUAN Getting by without English Monday, August 27 At the gates of two deserts (Gobi and Taklamakan) and at the foot of the Tibetan highlands, the Great Wall ends at Jiayuguan. Here, I found the deeper China I’d somewhat rediscovered during my bike ride, even if now everyone gets around on electric bikes and I’m no longer stared at like an alien.
Prices are nothing like Beijing: you can find a full meal for 2 €, and my bike cost 7 € for two days. Plus, few people speak English—neither the owner of the HI hostel where I stayed, nor the ticket sellers at the sites, let alone the servers at the small eateries where I ate. Everything is written in Chinese. So I had to use the little Chinese I know to communicate about essentials. It makes the locals laugh to see a European trying to speak their language, but it earns respect. With Google Translate’s help, I managed.
Rant: With their avenues blocked for construction for kilometers without warning, and new roads not yet on maps, I must’ve taken 15 km of detours. More photos...
5- JIAYUGUAN Scams and heritage Tuesday, August 28 The Great Wall doesn’t exactly end at the fort I visited yesterday but 10 km further, at the entrance to a river gorge at the foot of the mountains. All that’s left is a badly damaged tower (more like a mound of earth) and a section of clay wall, similar to the one I biked yesterday.
This morning, I hopped on my bike, determined to venture into the desert to see this highly symbolic site. First, you access it via a wide, brand-new road with not a soul in sight. Just before the site, I came across a grand welcome gate, very period-style, but it’s actually the inevitable toll booth.
Behind the gate, the road continues straight to the site, which you can see in the distance—at least 2 km away—the remains of the tower and wall. I had to leave my bike here. Fine. I went to the ticket counter and asked the price: 120 yuan! I couldn’t believe it—over 15 € for a simple mound of earth.
I showed my displeasure to the attendant, who couldn’t care less, and immediately turned back. 120 yuan—that’s the price for a new road, a fancy gate planted 2 km before the site just to force you to take a shuttle, and employees with nothing to do all day... Now I understand why I didn’t meet anyone!
Heritage China is a bit pricey Generally, sites are expensive for the country’s standard of living, but travelers are supposed to have money, so why hold back? I even gave up on the Forbidden City—reservations required days in advance (or on the black market at an impossible price). I prefer to keep the memory of my first visit, when entry must’ve cost a few dozen cents, and there were only a handful of visitors.
This morning, I took a taxi to see remarkable tombs of common people from the 3rd to 6th centuries. They’re small vaulted caves made of painted bricks, depicting scenes of daily life. Very pretty and moving. But even here, though the price was more reasonable, I was left wanting—only one of the 16 tombs is open to visitors, and it’s apparently not the most beautiful.
The authentic China—at least what’s left of it... Wandering the impersonal avenues of the city, you stumble upon a market. There, you still find traditional China—small shops with questionable hygiene, Go players, musicians, and even a dental prosthetist. The last refuge for those untouched by modernity. More photos...
6- DUNHUANG Abundance in the middle of the desert Wednesday, August 29 Well, I thought the landscape would be less bleak as I headed west. Nope. The only distraction in this expanse of dark, clayey sand is the forests of pylons and wind turbines, plus wild camels racing each other.
However, Dunhuang, the gateway to the Taklamakan, is by far the most pleasant Chinese city I know. There’s a real city center you can explore on foot. It’s hot but not unbearable, with a light, dry breeze. Much nicer than Beijing. The Han Chinese are still the majority, but the Muslim Uyghurs are more numerous, and the muezzin’s call to prayer echoes around the mosque.
The most surprising thing is the abundance and diversity of fruits and vegetables. You wonder how it all grows here. Well-irrigated, the desert sands are very fertile. Here, raisins have subtle, mysterious flavors, and the lamb really tastes like lamb.
Today, I visited the must-see Mingshashan, a dune complex next to which Pila is a molehill. The Basque Country, but covered in sand... More photos...
7- TURPAN The Uyghurs under heavy surveillance Friday, August 31 Surveillance cameras everywhere in the city, armed police stationed at intersections, in front of public buildings, at the entrance and inside tourist sites, police stations on every corner, patrols on foot or by car, khaki uniforms even for middle schoolers... here, the Han Chinese are in the minority, and you can feel it. Turpan feels like a city under siege.
To enter the youth hostel where I stayed, there’s even a security gate, and the receptionist (a Han, like everyone in tourism) wears a bulletproof vest! Reassuring. Still, you don’t feel particularly threatened here, especially as a European. The troublemakers are the Chinese, not the Uyghurs. Generally, China is a very safe country for visitors.
Smile, you’re on camera! I was biking on an avenue when the car in front of me got flashed for driving slowly. I quickly understood why when I got flashed too.
Here, the official time is Beijing time, but it gets dark two hours later. It’ll be even worse in Kashgar. Trickier to manage: everything is displayed in Chinese and Arabic. Nothing in English. Choosing a menu is a shot in the dark. Apart from a few young Chinese, no one here speaks English, and my Chinese doesn’t seem very understandable...
Mogao, the end of the road for the Han Yesterday, near Dunhuang, I went to Mogao, a complex of decorated caves with Buddha sculptures and paintings. Stunning, but so crowded! Luckily, here in Turpan, Chinese tourists barely venture out. So I visited a Silk Road ghost town with only a handful of other visitors and under a howling wind.
The modern Chinese city is swallowing up the old Uyghur neighborhoods—only a museum-like district remains in the center, and pockets of resistance on the outskirts are doomed to disappear soon. More photos...
8- KASHGAR A (relative) love at first sight for the old city Sunday, September 2 After three overnight trains, here I am in the far west of China, nearly 4,000 km from the capital. Despite the omnipresent police and an old city preserved UNESCO-style, Kashgar is my Chinese love at first sight.
Finally, Chinese... well, sort of, because we’re in Uyghur territory here—a Turkic people with nothing culturally in common with the Han, the eastern Chinese. It started badly yesterday at Turfan station, where after three security gate passes, at least five passport checks, and a bag search, three adorable policewomen confiscated my antibacterial lotion because it had a flammable logo...
Then came the welcoming committee of armed cops at Kashgar station. Once all that was over, they left me alone—except you still have to go through security checks like everyone else to enter the old city, the bazaar, the livestock market... The further west you go, the more the siege mentality is evident. Luckily, the border isn’t far...
Despite the inevitable destruction-reconstruction, the city center has been well preserved. Thankfully, because it’s a very original style, a mix of local and colonial. I love it, even if it’s a bit too artificial, sanitized, and watered-down, and rather empty of residents. On the Silk Road, the city was famous for its great food. And it still is—rarely have I seen such richness and abundance of food! And not just scorpions or snakes. More photos...
9- KASHGAR China’s recipe for controlling the populace Saturday, September 1 Xinjiang, along with Tibet, is a "sensitive" area of rebellion in the eyes of Chinese authorities. As a result, the state has these regions and their populations under total control. Tourists also feel the consequences, even if they’re not at risk of re-education camps.
- Putting barbed wire and anti-ramming barriers around sensitive sites (schools, big hotels, government buildings...)
- Installing traffic surveillance gates with cameras and photo flashes (for all vehicles passing, including bikes) throughout the city and even in the countryside
- Posting uniformed guards with tasers, batons, or huge baseball bats every 100 meters
- Training the Han population (ethnic Chinese) in self-defense with sticks, preferably in the morning on the street. Men and women of all ages
- Starting school with the national anthem, doing military exercises, and receiving political indoctrination, all neatly lined up in the courtyard. (The dream school for any teacher)
- Placing a snitch in uniform (a pseudo-guard) in public gathering places, like youth hostels. Mine spends the day loafing around the courtyard
- Putting Chinese flags everywhere on the streets to remind everyone who’s in charge
- Installing security gates at every entrance to areas frequented by tourists (thanks for that) but not just there
- Never photographing cops, or else! I tried, but it’s not easy...
With all that, you can stroll around safely Not much crime! As for the amount the Chinese state spends to maintain such a system, it’s staggering! A third of the Han living in Xinjiang work in security. Today, I wandered freely around old Kashgar, which is quite large after all. More photos...
10- TASHKURGAN What on earth was I thinking going there! Wednesday, September 5 First, there’s the taxi—pretty crappy, with a driver who doesn’t speak a word of English and won’t stop smoking. Over six hours in that... shared with a completely out-of-it American.
Then there are all the checkpoints along the way. I won’t go on—you know the drill by now.
After that, there’s Tashkurgan—a town with nothing to see, nothing to do. Deserted as soon as night falls. There’s this huge youth hostel and a few lost Chinese tapping away on their smartphones, chain-smoking. This lost American-European crowd, swapping tips on how to enter Pakistan or Tajikistan.
Luckily, there’s the Chinese Pamir Highway, lined with peaks over 7,000m. There’s the feeling of no longer being in China, with a population whose features are Middle Eastern. And these Tajik women with their stunning hairstyles and vibrant costumes. There’s the fact of having reached the westernmost Chinese city, far from crowds and tourist sites. A sort of end of the world. More photos...
11- KYRGYZ BORDER A surreal epic Thursday, September 6 The road from Kashgar to the Kyrgyzstan border is a little over 200 km and passes through beautiful landscapes of colorful, desert-like mountains with acrobatic folds. That’s the bucolic part of the trip.
Yesterday, I managed to gather four people to rent a minibus to reach the border more easily: a Spaniard and an Argentine I’d already met in Turpan, and two New Zealanders who responded to the ad left at the hostel.
Absurdity and paranoia of Chinese authorities The highlight was crossing the town of Wuqia, 50 km past Kashgar. After tallying up with my fellow sufferers, we must’ve passed about ten checkpoints with: - Passport checks: 14 times, sometimes by two cops side by side - Bag checks: 4 times - Smartphone checks: 2 times, with deletion of "non-compliant" photos, and registration of your IMEI in the exit log!... Absurd and surreal at the same time, since my camera stayed in my bag, my apps are in French, and my photos have been online for ages...
With all that, we arrived just as the last checkpoint before the no man’s land marking the border between the two countries was on lunch break. And bam! Another 1.5-hour wait, alongside truckers who were much more used to this than we were.
What to think? The cops themselves aren’t fooled. They play the role they’re asked to, but sometimes you can coax a smile out of them—they realize how ridiculous the situation is.
What’s the point? That’s the big question my companions and I were tempted to answer with "to piss people off." To show you your place isn’t here, but with the other tourists, over there in the east, in Shanghai, Xi’an, or Guangzhou.
As for you, a traveler from a democratic country, you really experience this as aggression, humiliation, a violation of your private space. And yet, I’m respected, they speak to me properly. Today, I better understand what a Palestinian or a citizen of an occupied country might feel daily. A unique experience! Thanks, China.
And to top it off, the cherry on the cake! It’s still this glowing button you press to rate your passage after clearing the last obstacle before the exit stamp. I was so surprised it turned off before I could react. The Spaniard, with great humor and irony, had time to vote "excellent." In the end, he wasn’t wrong—you can hardly do better!
PS: I ditched my buddies at the border. They didn’t want to pay for a taxi to continue. So I took a direct taxi to Osh. The first 100 km are fabulous. I couldn’t take many photos, but I’ll be back on Monday to go to Tajikistan.
More photos...
The rest of the Silk Road, Part 2, in these travel journals: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan.
The Chinese Far West More than 30 years after my first trip to eastern China, I finally fulfilled an old dream: traveling solo from Beijing to the far west, discovering Xinjiang, the Uyghur people and the oppression they endure, the oases of Turpan and Kashgar, the Taklamakan Desert, the end of the Great Wall... The route was covered by train.
MENU PART 1: CHINA
1- Beijing (Jiankou) : the authentic Great Wall, without tourists 2- Cycling in Beijing, the best way to get around 3- Beijing : departure for the far west 4- Jiayuguan : getting by without English 5- Jiayuguan : scams and heritage 6- Dunhuang : abundance in the middle of the desert 7- Turpan : the Uyghurs under heavy surveillance 8- Kashgar : love at first sight for the old city 9- Kashgar : China’s recipe for controlling the populace 10- Tashkurgan : what on earth was I thinking going there! Kyrgyz border: a surreal epic Photo album from the 80s, contributions from other travelers (page 2)
1- JIANKOU Finding the authentic Great Wall, without tourists or a guide Friday, August 24, 2018 Thirty years later, I didn’t feel like revisiting the Great Wall at Badaling or any other overcrowded site. I chose to explore it at Jiankou, in its wildest, most authentic, and unrestored section, starting from a lost village deep in a valley—though it wasn’t *that* lost, since it had everything for communication.
No need to pay for a taxi to get there—by timing it right, you can take the bus for just a few yuan. You have to get off at Xizhazi, the bus terminus. Be careful, there are only two buses a day in each direction. At the Xizhazi bus stop, I met a young couple who’d arrived with zero information about what to expect. We hiked the three of us toward the restored section of Mutianyu.
Still, be cautious With GPS and a topographic map (OpenTopoMap), you can set off without a problem or guide. The trail up to Jiankou is easy and well-marked. The trails down are too. But be careful—once you’re on the Wall, it’s real mountain hiking, with easy but dangerous climbing sections (over sheer drops). Not for amateurs or those afraid of heights! But what a reward. The Wall all to yourself, where it’s at its most daring. Truly mesmerizing.
More photos...
2- BEIJING The best way to get around the capital Sunday, August 26 The best way to explore the city is still by bike. Most are in a bike-share system, but you need to use an app—WeChat, the app that does everything, like monitoring your every move. No way I was installing that.
I found one at a rental shop near the hostel. The key is to quickly learn local traffic customs to minimize risks. Bike lanes are wide along the avenues.
But you still have to: - Watch out for anything parked on the bike paths—the most annoying are people napping or talking on the phone in their cars - Keep an eye on everything coming the wrong way—the list is long - The worst is right turns on red, which in Chinese traffic rules seem to have priority Once you get the hang of it, it’s fine. The city is huge but flat, so you can just wing it.
3- BEIJING By train to the far west Sunday, August 26 Beijing West Station is the size and operates like an airport. With your e-ticket from the agency, you first have to pick up your ticket at the special "English" counter, after passing through security. With your ticket in hand, you have to exit and enter through the boarding waiting area—not the platform—after a second security check.
Then you find the right hall and wait for the sign to finally access the platform. In the end, it works pretty well given the incredible number of passengers to manage. Everywhere in Beijing, I saw that the Chinese have mastered crowd flow management.Nice surprise: second-class carriages are clean, air-conditioned, and bright. Perfect, since I was in for 20 hours. One uniformed attendant per carriage, mobile meal service—luxury! Small downside: no luggage space. Hauling your suitcase up to the top bunk is quite a workout. I was in the middle, so it wasn’t too bad. The landscape, though, whether rural or urban, is pretty bleak. That should change once we leave the eastern plains.
Of course, I got my first police visit, with a thorough passport check and bag search. I was warned—going to the Chinese far west exposes you to this kind of hassle. But they were polite and respectful.
The Chinese Far West4- JIAYUGUAN Getting by without English Monday, August 27 At the gates of two deserts (Gobi and Taklamakan) and at the foot of the Tibetan highlands, the Great Wall ends at Jiayuguan. Here, I found the deeper China I’d somewhat rediscovered during my bike ride, even if now everyone gets around on electric bikes and I’m no longer stared at like an alien.
Prices are nothing like Beijing: you can find a full meal for 2 €, and my bike cost 7 € for two days. Plus, few people speak English—neither the owner of the HI hostel where I stayed, nor the ticket sellers at the sites, let alone the servers at the small eateries where I ate. Everything is written in Chinese. So I had to use the little Chinese I know to communicate about essentials. It makes the locals laugh to see a European trying to speak their language, but it earns respect. With Google Translate’s help, I managed.
Rant: With their avenues blocked for construction for kilometers without warning, and new roads not yet on maps, I must’ve taken 15 km of detours. More photos...
5- JIAYUGUAN Scams and heritage Tuesday, August 28 The Great Wall doesn’t exactly end at the fort I visited yesterday but 10 km further, at the entrance to a river gorge at the foot of the mountains. All that’s left is a badly damaged tower (more like a mound of earth) and a section of clay wall, similar to the one I biked yesterday.
This morning, I hopped on my bike, determined to venture into the desert to see this highly symbolic site. First, you access it via a wide, brand-new road with not a soul in sight. Just before the site, I came across a grand welcome gate, very period-style, but it’s actually the inevitable toll booth.
Behind the gate, the road continues straight to the site, which you can see in the distance—at least 2 km away—the remains of the tower and wall. I had to leave my bike here. Fine. I went to the ticket counter and asked the price: 120 yuan! I couldn’t believe it—over 15 € for a simple mound of earth.
I showed my displeasure to the attendant, who couldn’t care less, and immediately turned back. 120 yuan—that’s the price for a new road, a fancy gate planted 2 km before the site just to force you to take a shuttle, and employees with nothing to do all day... Now I understand why I didn’t meet anyone!
Heritage China is a bit pricey Generally, sites are expensive for the country’s standard of living, but travelers are supposed to have money, so why hold back? I even gave up on the Forbidden City—reservations required days in advance (or on the black market at an impossible price). I prefer to keep the memory of my first visit, when entry must’ve cost a few dozen cents, and there were only a handful of visitors.
This morning, I took a taxi to see remarkable tombs of common people from the 3rd to 6th centuries. They’re small vaulted caves made of painted bricks, depicting scenes of daily life. Very pretty and moving. But even here, though the price was more reasonable, I was left wanting—only one of the 16 tombs is open to visitors, and it’s apparently not the most beautiful.
The authentic China—at least what’s left of it... Wandering the impersonal avenues of the city, you stumble upon a market. There, you still find traditional China—small shops with questionable hygiene, Go players, musicians, and even a dental prosthetist. The last refuge for those untouched by modernity. More photos...
6- DUNHUANG Abundance in the middle of the desert Wednesday, August 29 Well, I thought the landscape would be less bleak as I headed west. Nope. The only distraction in this expanse of dark, clayey sand is the forests of pylons and wind turbines, plus wild camels racing each other.
However, Dunhuang, the gateway to the Taklamakan, is by far the most pleasant Chinese city I know. There’s a real city center you can explore on foot. It’s hot but not unbearable, with a light, dry breeze. Much nicer than Beijing. The Han Chinese are still the majority, but the Muslim Uyghurs are more numerous, and the muezzin’s call to prayer echoes around the mosque.The most surprising thing is the abundance and diversity of fruits and vegetables. You wonder how it all grows here. Well-irrigated, the desert sands are very fertile. Here, raisins have subtle, mysterious flavors, and the lamb really tastes like lamb.
Today, I visited the must-see Mingshashan, a dune complex next to which Pila is a molehill. The Basque Country, but covered in sand... More photos...
7- TURPAN The Uyghurs under heavy surveillance Friday, August 31 Surveillance cameras everywhere in the city, armed police stationed at intersections, in front of public buildings, at the entrance and inside tourist sites, police stations on every corner, patrols on foot or by car, khaki uniforms even for middle schoolers... here, the Han Chinese are in the minority, and you can feel it. Turpan feels like a city under siege.
To enter the youth hostel where I stayed, there’s even a security gate, and the receptionist (a Han, like everyone in tourism) wears a bulletproof vest! Reassuring. Still, you don’t feel particularly threatened here, especially as a European. The troublemakers are the Chinese, not the Uyghurs. Generally, China is a very safe country for visitors.
Smile, you’re on camera! I was biking on an avenue when the car in front of me got flashed for driving slowly. I quickly understood why when I got flashed too.
Here, the official time is Beijing time, but it gets dark two hours later. It’ll be even worse in Kashgar. Trickier to manage: everything is displayed in Chinese and Arabic. Nothing in English. Choosing a menu is a shot in the dark. Apart from a few young Chinese, no one here speaks English, and my Chinese doesn’t seem very understandable...
Mogao, the end of the road for the Han Yesterday, near Dunhuang, I went to Mogao, a complex of decorated caves with Buddha sculptures and paintings. Stunning, but so crowded! Luckily, here in Turpan, Chinese tourists barely venture out. So I visited a Silk Road ghost town with only a handful of other visitors and under a howling wind.
The modern Chinese city is swallowing up the old Uyghur neighborhoods—only a museum-like district remains in the center, and pockets of resistance on the outskirts are doomed to disappear soon. More photos...
8- KASHGAR A (relative) love at first sight for the old city Sunday, September 2 After three overnight trains, here I am in the far west of China, nearly 4,000 km from the capital. Despite the omnipresent police and an old city preserved UNESCO-style, Kashgar is my Chinese love at first sight.
Finally, Chinese... well, sort of, because we’re in Uyghur territory here—a Turkic people with nothing culturally in common with the Han, the eastern Chinese. It started badly yesterday at Turfan station, where after three security gate passes, at least five passport checks, and a bag search, three adorable policewomen confiscated my antibacterial lotion because it had a flammable logo...
Then came the welcoming committee of armed cops at Kashgar station. Once all that was over, they left me alone—except you still have to go through security checks like everyone else to enter the old city, the bazaar, the livestock market... The further west you go, the more the siege mentality is evident. Luckily, the border isn’t far...
Despite the inevitable destruction-reconstruction, the city center has been well preserved. Thankfully, because it’s a very original style, a mix of local and colonial. I love it, even if it’s a bit too artificial, sanitized, and watered-down, and rather empty of residents. On the Silk Road, the city was famous for its great food. And it still is—rarely have I seen such richness and abundance of food! And not just scorpions or snakes. More photos...
9- KASHGAR China’s recipe for controlling the populace Saturday, September 1 Xinjiang, along with Tibet, is a "sensitive" area of rebellion in the eyes of Chinese authorities. As a result, the state has these regions and their populations under total control. Tourists also feel the consequences, even if they’re not at risk of re-education camps.
- Putting barbed wire and anti-ramming barriers around sensitive sites (schools, big hotels, government buildings...)
- Installing traffic surveillance gates with cameras and photo flashes (for all vehicles passing, including bikes) throughout the city and even in the countryside
- Posting uniformed guards with tasers, batons, or huge baseball bats every 100 meters
- Training the Han population (ethnic Chinese) in self-defense with sticks, preferably in the morning on the street. Men and women of all ages
- Starting school with the national anthem, doing military exercises, and receiving political indoctrination, all neatly lined up in the courtyard. (The dream school for any teacher)
- Placing a snitch in uniform (a pseudo-guard) in public gathering places, like youth hostels. Mine spends the day loafing around the courtyard
- Putting Chinese flags everywhere on the streets to remind everyone who’s in charge
- Installing security gates at every entrance to areas frequented by tourists (thanks for that) but not just there
- Never photographing cops, or else! I tried, but it’s not easy...With all that, you can stroll around safely Not much crime! As for the amount the Chinese state spends to maintain such a system, it’s staggering! A third of the Han living in Xinjiang work in security. Today, I wandered freely around old Kashgar, which is quite large after all. More photos...
10- TASHKURGAN What on earth was I thinking going there! Wednesday, September 5 First, there’s the taxi—pretty crappy, with a driver who doesn’t speak a word of English and won’t stop smoking. Over six hours in that... shared with a completely out-of-it American.
Then there are all the checkpoints along the way. I won’t go on—you know the drill by now.
After that, there’s Tashkurgan—a town with nothing to see, nothing to do. Deserted as soon as night falls. There’s this huge youth hostel and a few lost Chinese tapping away on their smartphones, chain-smoking. This lost American-European crowd, swapping tips on how to enter Pakistan or Tajikistan.
Luckily, there’s the Chinese Pamir Highway, lined with peaks over 7,000m. There’s the feeling of no longer being in China, with a population whose features are Middle Eastern. And these Tajik women with their stunning hairstyles and vibrant costumes. There’s the fact of having reached the westernmost Chinese city, far from crowds and tourist sites. A sort of end of the world. More photos...
11- KYRGYZ BORDER A surreal epic Thursday, September 6 The road from Kashgar to the Kyrgyzstan border is a little over 200 km and passes through beautiful landscapes of colorful, desert-like mountains with acrobatic folds. That’s the bucolic part of the trip.
Yesterday, I managed to gather four people to rent a minibus to reach the border more easily: a Spaniard and an Argentine I’d already met in Turpan, and two New Zealanders who responded to the ad left at the hostel.Absurdity and paranoia of Chinese authorities The highlight was crossing the town of Wuqia, 50 km past Kashgar. After tallying up with my fellow sufferers, we must’ve passed about ten checkpoints with: - Passport checks: 14 times, sometimes by two cops side by side - Bag checks: 4 times - Smartphone checks: 2 times, with deletion of "non-compliant" photos, and registration of your IMEI in the exit log!... Absurd and surreal at the same time, since my camera stayed in my bag, my apps are in French, and my photos have been online for ages...
With all that, we arrived just as the last checkpoint before the no man’s land marking the border between the two countries was on lunch break. And bam! Another 1.5-hour wait, alongside truckers who were much more used to this than we were.
What to think? The cops themselves aren’t fooled. They play the role they’re asked to, but sometimes you can coax a smile out of them—they realize how ridiculous the situation is.
What’s the point? That’s the big question my companions and I were tempted to answer with "to piss people off." To show you your place isn’t here, but with the other tourists, over there in the east, in Shanghai, Xi’an, or Guangzhou.
As for you, a traveler from a democratic country, you really experience this as aggression, humiliation, a violation of your private space. And yet, I’m respected, they speak to me properly. Today, I better understand what a Palestinian or a citizen of an occupied country might feel daily. A unique experience! Thanks, China.
And to top it off, the cherry on the cake! It’s still this glowing button you press to rate your passage after clearing the last obstacle before the exit stamp. I was so surprised it turned off before I could react. The Spaniard, with great humor and irony, had time to vote "excellent." In the end, he wasn’t wrong—you can hardly do better!
PS: I ditched my buddies at the border. They didn’t want to pay for a taxi to continue. So I took a direct taxi to Osh. The first 100 km are fabulous. I couldn’t take many photos, but I’ll be back on Monday to go to Tajikistan.
More photos...
The rest of the Silk Road, Part 2, in these travel journals: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan.
Bonjour,
Je prépare un voyage en Asie centrale en camion en dehors des axes principaux. Il consomme ~20 l/100 km sur route "normale" et son autonomie est de ~500 km (donc réservoir de 100 litres). Il a un vieux moteur, il peut rouler à l'huile !
Je lis ça et là qu'il est difficile de trouver du DIESEL dans ces différents pays. Qu'en est-il ?
Cordialement, Kastor
Je prépare un voyage en Asie centrale en camion en dehors des axes principaux. Il consomme ~20 l/100 km sur route "normale" et son autonomie est de ~500 km (donc réservoir de 100 litres). Il a un vieux moteur, il peut rouler à l'huile !
Je lis ça et là qu'il est difficile de trouver du DIESEL dans ces différents pays. Qu'en est-il ?
Cordialement, Kastor
Bonjour,
Je souhaite aller au Pamir pendant l'été 2008. Je recherche un trek intéressant et un guide. Je cherche aussi des compagnons de voyage ! J'aimerais des infos de la part des personnes ayant traîné leurs guêtres dans ce coin-là.. D'avance merci ! Et pour les personnes intéressées par ce voyage, n'hésitez pas à m'écrire ! Au plaisir de vous lire,
Xavier
Je souhaite aller au Pamir pendant l'été 2008. Je recherche un trek intéressant et un guide. Je cherche aussi des compagnons de voyage ! J'aimerais des infos de la part des personnes ayant traîné leurs guêtres dans ce coin-là.. D'avance merci ! Et pour les personnes intéressées par ce voyage, n'hésitez pas à m'écrire ! Au plaisir de vous lire,
Xavier
