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“Hey, your Marker... - My Marker? - The one you used to make hitchhiking signs.”

The marker in question is sitting proudly on the kitchen table. Marielle found it at the bottom of a moving box.

I’ve been meaning to tell the long story of my love affair with hitchhiking for years. Here we go.

To be honest, I’m not quite sure when it started. My earliest memory goes back to a fair with a bike race in my maternal grandparents’ village. I was with my cousin, my little sister, and three girl cousins. There were six of us, ages ranging from six or seven to thirteen or fourteen. Our parents stayed at the fair, and we’d had enough. So we decided to walk home. Only it was four kilometers away. So we hitchhiked. A guy driving an old car picked us all up and dropped us off at the farm. He probably found it amusing to see us thumbing a ride by the side of the road, but maybe it also worried him a bit. With everything you read in the papers...

Around fifteen or sixteen, I started hitchhiking regularly, alone or with a friend, to go to the nearby town. But it was especially when I started boarding school in Orléans that it became more regular. The first year, I’d leave Monday morning and come back Saturday noon by bus. It was an old, uncomfortable bus where we froze in winter. To make matters worse, I often got motion sickness if, as was too often the case, I ended up sitting in the back. In the spring, a high school friend suggested I hitchhike back. It meant a slight detour, but the advantage was taking only national roads.

So that’s how, from the end of tenth grade to twelfth grade, I’d thumb a ride every Saturday on the Pont de Bourgogne. Drivers were used to seeing young people hitchhiking, and it worked pretty well. Our biggest fear? Soldiers! At that time, military service was still mandatory, and on weekends, it wasn’t rare to see them competing with us. They’d keep their uniforms on to go home. That gave people confidence—with everything you read in the papers—and they’d rarely wait more than five minutes. We, with our long hair, were definitely less popular. From time to time, three big red-faced guys in a van coming back from a construction site would flip us off, yelling things like “go get a haircut, you bums!” Those were the good old days.

We still had a good laugh, though. Patrice, the friend I’d hitchhike back from school with on Saturdays, is a musician—I’d later discover he’s an excellent composer. A die-hard Beatles fan, he knows their repertoire by heart and spends his time singing at the top of his lungs while we thumb a ride. One Saturday late morning, we’d been waiting for a while at the exit of Châteauneuf-sur-Loire when a little lady came up to him and asked if he could please sing a little quieter: a baby was sleeping in the house. He put on the most sorry face: “Oh, sorry ma’am, we didn’t realize.” No sooner had the lady gone back inside than he started again. Luckily, a car stopped just then, sparing me the embarrassment of seeing the lady come back out.

Saturday was also the day when the cigarette pack was dangerously low. So before leaving, we’d go buy some “Parisiennes,” the “P4s” as we called them back then. They were slightly thinner cigarettes with a mix of tobacco scraps. Sometimes they tasted like light tobacco, sometimes like dark. Not great, but by the end of the week, our pocket money was gone. They were sold in small packs of four, hence the name P4. We’d only pay 20 centimes. On Saturdays, it was rare for the two of us to manage to scrape together 1.50 F to buy a whole pack of Gauloises...

The last twenty kilometers, I’d usually do alone, Patrice having reached his destination. From time to time, luck would smile on me: an acquaintance would just happen to pass by and stop. One January Saturday, at the exit of Gien, I ran into another guy from Argenton whom I knew a little. That day, the weather was nice, but the temperature was well below zero. It was around noon, and it was the off-peak hour. We were shivering, stamping our feet by the side of the road, when a Citroën “Tube” arrived: it was his father’s boss’s, a mason. They were both sitting in the front, but since they were obese, they had us climb onto the open back. Even though we huddled against the cab to shelter from the wind, the twenty kilometers felt very long, especially since we were only going sixty kilometers an hour. Our hands and cheeks were blue when we finally arrived.

The year I took my baccalaureate, a friend with a 2CV would take me Monday mornings with one or two others we’d pick up in nearby villages. We’d share the gas costs, but it was still cheaper than the bus. And in winter, the bus was my nightmare. You had to get up at five to catch it at six. Not enough sleep, and outside it was freezing or raining—or both. The 2CV was luxury. Plus, Philippe would pick me up at home. On the other hand, since I didn’t have class Saturday mornings—well, I did, but we only had PE the first two hours and nothing after—I’d skip class and slip out right after breakfast to thumb a ride at the Pont de Bourgogne.

Those three high school years were formative in this optional subject that was hitchhiking. Little by little, I learned the rules of the game. First, you shouldn’t walk along the road while thumbing. Cars go too fast and can’t stop easily. Accepting a ride that’s too short is also a no-go. The guy who offers to take you a little way but drops you off at some vague crossroads in the middle of nowhere? No thanks. You need to get dropped off in a town. If it’s a fairly big city, you often have to cross it from one end to the other, but it’s better. At the exit, you have to choose your spot well. Actually, you have to put yourself in the driver’s shoes: they need to see you early enough, not be going too fast, and be able to stop easily without risking an accident. So when leaving a city, it’s better not to go too far. It’s wiser to find a spot where cars go slowly and can stop easily. And preferably near a café. The café is for when you still have a few coins for a coffee and need to warm up. From time to time, you’d run into someone nice who’d make a detour to drop you off at a better spot to start again. Finally, if possible, avoid hitchhiking on Sundays. Cars are packed with whole families who, most of the time, aren’t going far. And then there’s the little worry of those people who rarely leave home: with everything you read in the papers...

During those high school years, it was only short trips, rarely exceeding a hundred kilometers. Later, I aimed bigger, and things were a bit different. In 1973-74, I crossed part of France for the first time on two or three occasions, coming back from the German border or returning to Bordeaux, where we lived briefly. Since there weren’t many highways back then, we took national roads. It was during these trips that I realized it was better to leave in the evening. As I said earlier, Sunday is to be avoided, but on weekdays, there’s another problem: if you leave in the morning, you only make short hops. First, it often takes longer to get going because drivers are people going to work nearby. Which brings us back to those who drop you off in a bad spot, far from everything. There, you have to know how to refuse. You thank the driver for stopping—oh, if only everyone could be like you—while explaining why you’d rather stay put. People don’t take offense, by the way. Those who pick up hitchhikers often hitchhiked themselves when they were in the military or before they had a car. In the late afternoon, you’d often run into salespeople or truckers, in other words, people who drive a lot. At that time, salespeople no longer had appointments and were more relaxed. They wanted to talk about something other than the merits of their products. On the radio, it was time for *Les Grosses Têtes*. You’d also quite often run into small business owners, professionals, or even hippies. The conversations were pleasant and often enriching. A little later in the evening, truckers would take over. They’d already driven a few hundred kilometers, and the depot or customs was still far away. So they’d gladly take a hitchhiker to stay awake at the wheel and chat. The radio with Max Ménier’s show *Les routiers sont sympas*, you’d eventually get tired of it. So a hitchhiker was a change. Others, who’d hit the road at midnight to be at their destination by morning, were nice and offered to let you lie down on the bunk while they drove. When you’d been hitchhiking since six in the evening, freezing in the wind between two vehicles, you weren’t unhappy to take a little nap.

Speaking of Max Ménier, he’d often make announcements for hitchhikers. One evening, I called him. It was getting late, and I still had quite a way to go. No luck: the show had ended for good the day before!

In short, it’s better not to rush, sleep in, and leave after lunch, or better yet, in the late afternoon. Obviously, I’m talking about when you have several hundred kilometers to cover. That’s when you have to play it pro.

First thing, especially at night, but it also applies in the middle of summer when the light is blinding: dress to be seen from far away. I’ll admit I have an advantage over most other hitchhikers: I’m small and don’t scare people. To balance that out, racist drivers often take me for an Arab and are less likely to pick me up, but overall, the balance tips in my favor. Back to the need to be seen: at night, I wear light-colored clothes. In headlights, you can see me from far away.

Second thing: travel light. Forget the big backpack with a frame. Drivers don’t always have room in the trunk or on the back seat, especially if it’s rained and the ground is wet. Plus, it forces them to get out of the car. If they’re nice enough to pick up a hitchhiker, you shouldn’t ask for too much either.

Third thing: bring a cardboard sign and a big marker—like the ones in the photo at the start of this post—to write the name of your destination. In the early 80s, I ran a tourist house in the Cher, but I lived in the Netherlands. In the off-season, it was only open on weekends. On Fridays, I’d leave Holland and return on Mondays. 1200 km round trip. On the way there, in Paris, I’d stand at Porte de la Chapelle. At that spot, the road is very wide, and drivers could stop easily. Obviously, on the sign, I didn’t write Eindhoven, which not everyone knows, and even less Amsterdam because of its seedy reputation. In that case, you’d expect to see a police car stop and two officers in kepis ask for your papers. So as a first destination, I’d write Compiègne. We were well out of Paris, and since it wasn’t too far, a trucker or salesperson was less reluctant to stop. Once past Compiègne, I’d take out my Lille sign. Once in Belgium, it wasn’t really necessary to use a sign anymore, since everyone was going in the same direction. Usually, the guy who picked me up at Porte de la Chapelle would say he wasn’t going far but could take me a little way. Before that, I’d still ask if there was a gas station on the highway where he could drop me off before exiting. While talking, the guy would realize he wasn’t dealing with a dangerous criminal. He’d pretend to check his watch, think for a moment, then say that actually, he was going to Belgium and could take me to the border or a little beyond. To leave Paris on the way back, I’d take the train to Melun, where it was easier to hitchhike than at Porte d’Italie.

Over all those years, I think I was pretty lucky. Or maybe philosophical enough not to imagine a car would stop after a few minutes. An hour’s wait was average. Sure, I sometimes waited three, four, or five hours. Most often at odd hours and in terrible weather. When it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. But there’s always a moment when things pick up. Sure, when you’re soaked in freezing rain in the early morning after a sleepless night, you’re less philosophical than when I’m writing these lines comfortably at my computer, but it still holds true.

Earlier, I mentioned clothing and the importance of being well-rested before leaving. When you’ve eaten well and just gotten out of the shower, shaved, you’re in a better mood. And somehow, drivers sense it. Or at least, that’s the impression I’ve always had. It’s better to look in shape than disgusted at standing there, half-heartedly thumbing a ride. In short, when I’d start to get fed up with waiting, I’d go into the first café I saw for a coffee. Coming back out, I’d be refreshed, and most of the time, a car would stop within minutes. I’ve often said that when I stood by the side of the road thumbing a ride, I felt a bit like a gambler in front of a slot machine. It was a matter of giving luck a chance. And well, it worked out pretty well.

Then, there are countries where hitchhiking works really well and others where it’s harder. In the 70s-80s, it worked best in Germany and England. In the late afternoon, it wasn’t rare to be invited for tea. Well, that was in England. Tea meant being offered room and board. In Germany, they’d offer you coffee. Once there, they’d first show you the guest room and point out the bathroom before sitting you down in front of a big plate of cold cuts. In the evening, they’d go out in town, and the next morning, they’d usually drop you off at a good spot for hitchhiking. On the other hand, in Mediterranean and Scandinavian countries, you’d better be patient. In Spain or Italy, it’s better to take the train, which was dirt cheap back then. However, if you’re a couple traveling light, it’s already easier in most countries.

In 1982, I went on a trip around Turkey with my girlfriend. We only had two small bags, which was plenty. It was November-December, and we wore our warm, bulky clothes. Leaving Eindhoven at nine in the morning, we arrived in Graz, near the Yugoslav border, at eleven at night. 1300 km in a day! In just four or five vehicles. One to the German border, about fifty kilometers from Eindhoven, the second to Hagen in the Ruhr, the third to Salzburg, and the last to Graz at the Yugoslav border. Record broken. During the night crossing of Yugoslavia, we ran into a trucker close to retirement who lent us the truck’s bunk. So we arrived fresh and rested near Skopje the next morning. We continued to Thessaloniki in northern Greece before taking the train to Istanbul. In Turkey, we traveled a good part of the country by hitchhiking too. With truckers in old, overloaded, slow trucks that climbed hills at fifteen kilometers an hour, but also in cars where five or six people were already crammed in. And every time, we were invited for tea. Once, we were even picked up by a big shot in his Mercedes with a chauffeur. Until then, the average speed was around fifty kilometers an hour. There, we were going two hundred. On a national road, not a nice European highway.

I’ve also hitchhiked in Nepal, from Lumbini, Buddha’s birthplace, to a village on the way to Pokhara. It must have been midday. No bus until the next day. I gave it a try. A small truck overloaded with rice sacks, with two or three young people already perched on top, stopped. I rode on the roof of the cab. At fifty kilometers an hour when it was going well, with a breathtaking view. Coming back from India, I also crossed part of Iran by hitchhiking, from Tehran to the Turkish border. I did this trip with an Austrian I met at the hotel who, like me, had to watch his pennies. We gave it a shot. There was almost no traffic, but to our great surprise, the first car that passed in the area would always stop. They’d just ask for a modest contribution for gas, and it cost next to nothing.

Sometimes, you get scared too. After leaving Turkey in early December 82, we spent about two weeks in the southern Peloponnese harvesting olives. A few days before Christmas, we hitchhiked back to Holland. A girl picked us up in her little Fiat 500. We were driving on a mountain road, and that morning there was a bit of black ice. After crossing a pass, we saw the old Ford Taunus ahead of us at fifty meters start to skid. The driver let out a “heeee!” while grabbing my knees. I reflexively grabbed the wheel. Finally, the Taunus got back on track. And we didn’t swerve. But those few seconds felt very long.

In January 77, while I’d been living in Germany for a few months, I decided to spend a few days in Italy. By hitchhiking, of course. I left in the early afternoon, and by ten at night, I wasn’t far from Frankfurt. I saw a big Mercedes stop. The four or five young people crammed inside were listening to Schlager at full volume. Beer cans littered the floor. They didn’t have a precise destination, and as long as they were going south, that was fine with me. They’d finished their military service that very day and had clearly already celebrated their discharge. The driver was going 160, zigzagging dangerously from one side of the highway to the other. I should have realized he wasn’t entirely sober either. Luckily, there was almost no traffic. Finally, I managed to get dropped off at a gas station just before Frankfurt, relieved. I hope their trip didn’t end tragically.

Another time, coming back from Holland with my wife, we were picked up early in the morning near Senlis by two guys from Lille. They were going to work near Tours and could drop us off at Porte d’Italie. Apparently, they were coworkers but barely knew each other. The driver offered us a beer—at six in the morning, sure!—before opening another can for himself. He was clearly having trouble staying in the right lane. We politely declined, the passenger too. Everyone was tense. Luckily, it was rush hour on the ring road, and we were going slowly. When we got out of the car, the passenger said goodbye with the look of a guy being offered the condemned man’s rum and cigarette.

Finally, there are the annoying remarks from drivers who are either gay when you’re alone or turned on by the sight of your girlfriend when you’re a couple. In those cases, I’d get in the back so the guy wouldn’t feel too confident. And if the conversation got a little too suggestive, we’d deflect until we got dropped off.

And luckily, there are the times, not so rare after all, when you run into really nice people who invite you to eat and sleep at their place and drive you to a good spot the next morning. In Germany and England, that was common. And then there are the big strokes of luck, like during our trip to Turkey when we crossed most of Germany in one car, or that other time when some Germans drove me from the exit of Geneva all the way to the Costa Brava.

Going back to “with everything you read in the papers” and its variant “with everything you see on TV”—and now on the internet—it’s always left me perplexed. Personally, I’ve never heard of hitchhikers assaulting drivers, even if it may have happened. On the other hand, what was most common were hitchhikers being assaulted, especially girls. Anyway, even armed, it seems a bit stupid to assault the driver—wouldn’t that risk causing an accident?

Finally, since that time, I’ve occasionally wanted to hitchhike somewhere far away in France. Most often, too busy with work, it never happened, but the nostalgia hasn’t completely disappeared.

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Other Hitchhikers

And then one day, I... settled down to become a driver myself. Ten years had passed, and you saw fewer and fewer hitchhikers. Or maybe I saw fewer because I had a regular job and wasn’t traveling the same way. And then I understood a few things.

Several times, I was tempted to pick up a hitchhiker, but they didn’t meet the required conditions. They were walking along the road instead of staying at the exit of the previous town. Hard to stop without risking an accident. Or the guy looked really scruffy. Or he was sulking, if not both. Then you think of that famous “with everything you read in the papers.” Not that I was scared, but unfortunately, the few hitchhikers I did pick up later were rarely interesting.

A few years ago, we picked up a young guy at the exit of a small town in Sologne. Not an easy spot for hitchhiking. Bad luck, he was a pretentious little jerk. He was barely 20 or 25 and talked like a bitter old man. He was a waiter in a restaurant. According to him, it was lucky he was there, otherwise the boss would have closed up shop long ago. You’d think he had thirty or forty years of professional experience behind him. As we approached Blois, he started ranting about Arabs, blaming them for all evils. And he laid it on thick. That morning, we were going to a teenager’s funeral who had just committed suicide, so he really got on our nerves, Mr. Know-It-All. Out of anger, I dropped him off next to a shopping center a few kilometers from downtown. Not nice, but it felt good.

Some time ago, we were driving around the Limousin on a Sunday to try out the used Twingo we’d just bought. We picked up a guy in his forties. A German who spoke French well. He started talking about the environment. He was a green Khmer. He got worked up all by himself with his pseudo-eco rant and, after a few kilometers, was almost yelling at us. As we were about to leave the main road for a small one, I dropped him off at a crossroads in the middle of nowhere. Normally, I would have made a little detour to take him to a better spot, but this time, I didn’t feel like doing the... eco-warrior a favor.

On the other hand, I’ve still done my good deed a few times. One June morning, coming back from Orléans, I saw a man in his sixties hitchhiking. The poor guy had had a rough time. He was from Montpellier and was coming back from Caen, where he’d been promised a job. Once there, they bluntly told him the position was already taken, and he had to go back. Except he didn’t have enough money left for the train. He’d spent the night hitchhiking without success. I could only take him as far as Lamotte-Beuvron, where I dropped him off near the fire station. Apparently, there was some vague shelter there or something, but it only opened a few hours later. In the meantime, he settled on the grass in a corner to sleep a little. While he was doing that, I quickly went to the train station to check the price of a ticket to Montpellier. It was within my means. Since he was sound asleep, I slipped the train ticket and 100 francs into his pocket. I couldn’t imagine him continuing to hitchhike all the way to Montpellier. And I bet he didn’t even have a piece of cardboard and a marker!

When we go to Brazil, we usually rent a small car. One day, we were coming back from Paracuru to Fortaleza when we saw a whole family hitchhiking. Two adults and two or three small children. Here near the equator, the sun sets very quickly, and it would soon be night. There was little traffic, and trucks wouldn’t stop because there was no room in the cab. As for the rich people driving big 4x4s, they wouldn’t stoop to picking up the lower classes. The only hope for this kind of family was usually a farmer or artisan who’d let them ride in the back of his pickup. Obviously, they were a bit surprised to see us. Everyone crammed in as best they could in the back of our little car. When we dropped them off, we got a whole string of “Deus lhes abençõe”—God bless you.

Still in Brazil, we were on the road from Barreirinhas to São Luís do Maranhão. About 150 km of deserted road with an isolated mud house here and there. A young woman flagged us down. She was very pregnant and had to get to the clinic twenty or thirty kilometers away to give birth. Someone was supposed to drive her, but the first signs of labor started earlier than expected, and the driver was unavailable. Even driving fast, we weren’t feeling great: it would be just our luck if she gave birth in the car!

Today, we’re in the age of smartphones and carpooling apps. Safety. With everything you see on TV... Three or four years ago, we signed up on a platform. Our first, and only, “client” was a little jerk who didn’t say a word the whole trip. No hello, no goodbye, and certainly no thank you. The next day, we found his Ray-Bans in the car. We didn’t run after him to give them back. Ha!

Hello,

I’ve been dreaming about the Silk Road for a long time and hope to visit Uzbekistan next year with my husband and son (11 years old). Late April to early May.

I’m planning a very classic itinerary: Tashkent - Samarkand - Bukhara - Khiva - Tashkent.

I checked the Uzbekistan Railways website, but it seems you can only book tickets three months in advance?

Otherwise, I’ve seen some people in other discussions suggest booking through Uzrailway. Are these the apps below? Are they reliable?

I really don’t want to go through a travel agency—I’d prefer to organize everything myself—and it seems the only hurdle is booking the trains. I was thinking of taking the train from Tashkent to Samarkand, then to Bukhara, and finally to Khiva, before flying back from Urgench to Tashkent with Uzbekistan Airways (is that a bad idea?🤪). What do you think?

Since we’re traveling with a child, I’d rather book and organize everything in advance to avoid any potential hassles. I tend to plan my trips much more now than I used to😏.

Would you have any great accommodation recommendations (not luxury, but not a youth hostel either)? We prefer places with charm, friendly owners, and a nice setting...

Also, I speak several languages but not Uzbek or Russian🤪... Is English widely spoken these days?

Thanks everyone 🙂

Hi everyone,

There haven’t been many recent stories about Norway in winter, and since I had trouble finding info on winter hikes, I thought I’d share a little travel journal.

Back in September 2024, while planning our summer 2025 trip to Norway, I joined some Facebook groups dedicated to travel in Scandinavia and started reading travel blogs. Since winter trips were being planned at the time, I came across posts with stunning photos of northern Norway in winter. I’d always pictured monotonous landscapes of pine forests and frozen lakes, so I was pleasantly surprised to see fjords, mountain ranges, and charming colorful cabins—just like in the Lofoten Islands. Turns out, the vast pine forests are more typical of Finnish Lapland. Norway, north of the Arctic Circle, is actually much more diverse. That was all it took to suggest this destination to my three guys for our winter vacation. After some research, early March seemed ideal—good weather, long enough daylight, and great chances for northern lights. A direct flight from Paris to Tromsø sealed the deal. The only downside? The cost of cars, accommodations, and activities nearly made us back out! Everything except flights is really expensive.

Since our oldest son had an important school deadline in June, he decided to skip the trip, so we ended up going as a trio. We took a Transavia round-trip flight from Orly to Tromsø for an amazing trip from March 1st to 8th.

Want to come along?

Hi everyone,

Starting tomorrow (the first day of the month), the April contest kicks off with the theme "Fish."

Important note: There was a contest in January 2020 on the theme "Fishing," where we hardly saw any fish. So this time, it should not be about fishing but mainly about fish. Live fish (1), dead fish (2), fish used in various artistic (3), commercial (4), or other illustrations (5).

Practical details:

Participation: Each VF member can submit up to 3 photos, until Saturday, April 26 at 11:59 PM Brussels time. Each photo should be posted in a separate message, with its number (1, 2, or 3). Don’t forget to add a little explanation (comment, location, etc.).

Voting: Each VF member can vote for the 3 photos they think are the best, based on their own criteria and the theme.

Voting will take place from Sunday, April 27 to Wednesday, April 30 at 11:59 PM Brussels time.

The selected photos will be ranked in order of preference: - 1st photo: 3 points - 2nd: 2 points - 3rd: 1 point

The winner is the photographer whose photo receives the most points.

Results will be published on May 1. In case of a tie, the number of first-place votes will decide. The winner will have the honor of organizing the May 2025 contest.

Photos that have already been nominated (1st, 2nd, or 3rd place) in another contest are not eligible for this one.

This thread is exclusively for photos submitted to the contest. All discussions, comments, and chit-chat should be posted in the thread: Discussion on the April 2025 contest theme "Fish"

(1) Japanese fish (not yet turned into sushi 😛)



(2) Fish considered small fry and left on an Indonesian beach



(3) Street art in Bristol (England)



(4) Sign in Bristol (England)



(5) Hikiyama Exhibition Hall in Karatsu (Kyushu, Japan)



Good luck! 😛

PS: Whales, sperm whales, porpoises, and dolphins are welcome—let’s be inclusive! 😎

Hey everyone who survived that killer rum that was supposed to take us all out... I took a trip to Russia in August 2024—16 unforgettable days. Entered via KARSAVA, Ostrov, then Saint Petersburg, Moscow, Voronezh, Ostrov on the Don, and exited at VLADIKAVKAZ through Georgia, Turkey, etc... I’d love to know if anyone’s done the reverse route—entering via Vladikavkaz from Georgia by personal vehicle, car, or motorcycle—and how long the wait was to cross the border. At the Karsava crossing in Latvia last August, it took between 2 and 3 days. The holdup is on the Russian side due to lack of staff and equipment since the formalities are so complicated... I’m looking for a smoother crossing point for 2025. Thanks for any tips!

Bonjour Nous avons séjourné 15 jours en circuit organisé en iran. Pouvons nous aller dans l'ouest américain, las Vegas et sa région. Merci

Bonjour J'envisage un petit périple, cet été, au Danemark. Je suis un peu radin ! , et n'aimerais pas consacrer trop au logement. Mais j'ai la soixantaine….Je ne roule que 50 à 70 km./jour. Quels itinéraires conseillez-vous? merci!

Bonjour, nous avons prévus d'aller aux USA du coté des grands parcs (Yellowstone, Grand téton et Mont Rushmore) pour un départ le 3 juillet à destination de Denver (via Montréal par Air canada affrété par Brussels airlines) et un retour le 22 juillet (idem par air canada-brussels airlines). Nous avons acheté nos billets sur gotogate et nous ne savons pas si nous allons pouvoir partir ou pas, nous n'avons aucune informations quand aux fermetures des frontières qui évoluent de jours en jours ! Sur le site de gotogate nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'infos et sur brussel airlines comme nous n'avons pas acheté directement chez eux, ils nous disent qu'il faut se tourner vers le prestataire qui nous a vendu les billets à savoir Gotogate, j'ai lu que plusieurs personnes essayaient déséspérement d'avoir un avoir ou un remboursement en vain ! Que devons-nous faire ? vers qui se retourner ? Faut-il encore attendre le 15 juin, car le gouvernement ne sais pas encore s'il vont réouvrir les frontières jusqu'à cette date. Nous sommes perdus nous aimerions reporter notre voyage d'un an si possible. Nous espérons récupérer l'argent mis dans les billets (plus de 2200 euros). Merci par avance de votre aide ! poutsouch60

Hello,

C'est un peu la question qu'on se pose et qui nous oblige à revoir nos plans, pour l'instant c'est très flou, visiblement ce ne serait pas avant Septembre voir même pas envisageable cette année, mais si vous avez des infos de ce côté là n'hésitez pas à les partager.

Gilles

Je vous donne mon avis sincère de voyageur sur le Vietnam sachant que j'ai voyagé là-bas en février et que je ne suis pas allé au nord de Hanoï ni au sud de Nha Trang.

Pour juger un voyage, j'ai l'habitude de séparer l'aspect pratique d'un côté et l'intérêt des sites de l'autre.

Du côté « pratique », le Vietnam obtient un 19/20. Je n'entre pas dans le détail mais il est incroyablement facile et bon marché de voyager dans ce pays. Et avec des standards occidentaux voire meilleurs. Enormément de moyens de transport, hôtels d'excellente qualité et vraiment pas chers...

Entre l'aspect pratique et l'intérêt des sites, je mets la cuisine et le climat. Je ne vais pas écrire des lignes sur la cuisine qui fait tout simplement partie des tops mondiaux. Juste 2 bémols : les prix sont très élevés dans les restaus raffinés par rapport aux prix du pays. Et contrairement à la Chine, on peut tomber sur des restaus où on se moque des touristes. Résultat : un repas perdu alors que chaque repas peut se transformer en souvenir de rêve au Vietnam. Donc attention. Les guides touristiques écrits sont ici très utiles.

On est averti qu'au Vietnam le temps peu être gris. Et selon les sources, on peut reprendre espoir et se dire que finalement cette saison n'a pas l'air si mal. Pour ma part, je n'ai peut-être pas eu de chance mais alors j'en ai eu beaucoup dans les nombreux autres pays où je suis allé. Le ciel est souvent gris. Au nord, ça peut même être une attraction pour curieux de voir cette grisaille prête à vous tomber sur la tête. D'autre part, j'ai rarement vu une telle fraîcheur à une telle lattitude.

Les gens sont très sympas. Certains parlent anglais et il est très intéressant d'échanger avec les vietnamiens mais il faut savoir qu'ils ont un caractère trempé dans l'acier...

Les sites sont d'un intérêt limité. Le pays est surpeuplé et avide de développement. L'aspect traditionnel et religieux est quasi absent notamment par rapport à la Thaïlande. La nature est très très abîmée. Quand vous lisez les guides, vous vous dîtes que vous allez vous régaler à explorer les côtes ou qu'il y a des animaux à voir. C'est le problèmes des guides écrits qui ne comparent pas les pays entre eux. Ils vont utiliser les même adjectifs pour un pays moyen et pour les plus beaux pays. Oui, il y a des pays beaucoup mieux que d'autres ! En fait les côtes vietnamiennes ne sont pas terribles. Selon un guide les îles Cham sont un « époustouflant archipel ». Peut-être que si le Vietnam était le seul pays sur terre ce serait vrai mais il n'en est rien et il y a beaucoup mieux ailleurs. Les grottes de Phong Nha ouvertes au grand public sont d'un intérêt très limité et les autres sont vraiment très très chères d'accès et nécessitent souvent des réservations.

Mon but n'est pas de dénigrer le Vietnam mais d'éclairer les voyageurs car les guides ne le font pas. Je pense que le Vietnam est un pays idéal pour un retraité ou pour vivre quelques mois. Par contre si vous souhaitez découvrir ce qu'il y a de mieux en Asie du sud-est et que vous n'avez que quelques semaines par an, ne commencez pas par le Vietnam.

Depuis quelque temps avec ma femme, nous caressions le projet de retourner voir des aurores boréales. Nous en avions déjà vu lors de nos deux derniers voyages hivernaux en Islande mais l‘envie d’en revoir nous poussait à repartir. Nous aurions voulu partir en hiver mais cela nous aurait obligés à coucher à l’hôtel, ce qui aurait lourdement grevé notre budget. La période favorable pour voir des aurores boréales en Scandinavie s’étalant de septembre à mars, nous décidons de partir en septembre car cela nous permettra de coucher dans le lit aménagé à l’arrière de notre Land Rover Defender.

Samedi 15 septembre 2019

Le plein est fait. Le Land est bourré de provisions (cela fera autant de moins à acheter sur place) . Direction la Norvège. Départ vers 15h. Ce soir, nous ferons une étape dans le Nord pour passer voir notre fille. 100 km après notre départ de la région parisienne, le moteur du Land se met soudainement en mode dégradé. Nous plafonnons à 80 km/h. L’idée que notre voyage s’arrête là nous effleure l’esprit. On s’arrête sur le bas-côté pendant 10 mn et ouf, le moteur se remet à fonctionner normalement. On repart comme si de rien n’était. Nous n’empruntons pas les autoroutes payantes car nous ne sommes pas pressés. Arrivée dans le Nord vers 19h.

Dimanche 15 septembre 2019

Après une bonne nuit, nous partons en fin de matinée et traversons la Belgique via Charleroi et Liège. Puis nous passons en Allemagne via Aix-la-Chapelle, Duisbourg, Munster, Brême et Hambourg. Nous dormons sur une aire d’autoroute au nord d’Hambourg. Nous avons parcouru 1.000 km depuis Paris.

Lundi 16 septembre 2019

Prix du gazole sur l’autoroute allemande : 1,32 €/l Sur l’autoroute, le Land fait encore des siennes. Le moteur se remet en mode dégradé. On applique la même méthode que précédemment, à savoir, arrêt de 10 mn et ça repart normalement. Il ne faudrait pas que cela se reproduise trop souvent.

Nous franchissons la frontière danoise et arrivons au port d’Hirshals au nord du Danemark en début d’après-midi. Le vent d’ouest souffle en tempête. Cela promet pour la traversée vers la Norvège. Prix du gazole : 11,49 DNK (1,52 €) N’ayant pas réservé la traversée, nous nous rendons au bureau de Fjord Line. Prix annoncés : 205 € pour le jour même et 405 € pour le lendemain !

Nous cherchons un passage meilleur marché sur internet et réservons un billet pour Kristiansand chez Colour Line à 145 € pour le lendemain à 12h15.

Nous allons au camping d’Hirtshals en bordure de mer. La mer est démontée et il y a des wind surfers et des kite surfers qui en profitent. Particularité de cette plage, les autos peuvent y rouler.

Prix du camping 173 DNK (23 €). Bien équipé avec cuisine comprenant four, micro ondes et feux à gaz douche chaude payante avec carte. Emplacements sur pelouse délimités par des haies qui protègent du vent. Ce camping ferme fin septembre.

Mardi 17 septembre 2019

Nous embarquons sur le bateau de Colour Line à 12h15 . Heureusement, le vent s'est calmé. Nous débarquons au sud de la Norvège à Kristiansand à 15h30. Il fait un temps magnifique. Nous allons au centre ville pour retirer de l’argent au distributeur (pas beaucoup de distributeurs de billets en ville, il faut un peu chercher).



Nous prenons la direction de Lindesnes au sud-ouest de Kristiansand. Nous dormons sur le parking du phare de Lindesnes où le camping est autorisé moyennant 100 NOK (10 €). Cet endroit est le point le plus au sud de la Norvège. Beau temps mais très venté. Nous avons parcouru 1600 km depuis notre départ.







Mercredi 18 septembre 2019

Ce matin, nous suivons la côte sud en passant par Flekkefjord, Egersund jusqu’à Sandnes. Nous empruntons notre premier ferry à Lauvik pour franchir le Hosfjorden. Prix : 119 NOK















Nous sommes surpris par le grand nombre de véhicules électriques qui circulent en Norvège dont un bon nombre de Tesla. Il y a des bornes de recharge un peu partout, dans les stations service bien sûr mais aussi devant des hôtels, sur des parkings municipaux. La Norvège a une avance phénoménale dans ce domaine sur notre pays.

Il y a également un certain nombre de routes à péage qui ne sont pas des autoroutes notamment à l’approche des villes. Ce péage se fait en passant sous un portique automatique. Pour les véhicules étrangers, il paraît que nous recevons la facture à domicile mais au moment où je rédige ce carnet soit 6 mois après notre voyage, toujours pas de nouvelles.

Nous nous rendons sur le parking du Prekestolen où le prix de 250 NOK nous dissuade de nous arrêter. Nous y sommes déjà allés une trentaine d’années en arrière et nous n’avons pas de regret de ne pas y retourner . Nous cherchons un endroit pour bivouaquer mais dans cette zone très touristique, impossible de trouver un endroit .Nous poursuivons sur la route 13 vers le nord et nous arrêtons au camping de Vatne prix : 20 €. Comme toujours, camping super équipé avec cuisine et douche chauffées. Aujourd’hui étape de 290 km.

Bonjour J'ai une réservation pour mon véhicule et moi même pour le mois de mai sur la ligne de ferry smyrilline ( danemark/islande ). Le voyage est compromis à cause du covid. J'aimerais annuler et me faire rembourser.Est ce que quelqu'un a été dans cette situation en mars ou avril et comment s'est passé le remboursement avec Smyrilline ? Merci de vos conseils.

Hello, après bien des années me revoilà sur le forum, il s'agit cette fois de mon dernier voyage aux USA, fin août et début septembre 2019 au travers une partie du nord du pays. Bonne lecture.

Il en aura fallu du temps, 6 ans depuis le dernier séjour aux US, pour pouvoir rassembler de nouveau quelques personnes ayant le temps et le cash nécessaire à la réalisation de ce trip depuis trop longtemps en attente. Je partirai donc avec ma copine en passagère et à nouveau le frangin comme compagnon de route.

Ainsi début 2019 les préparatifs commencèrent, réservation des motos, des ElectraGlides pour cette fois, histoire d’avoir suffisamment d’espace bagages pour 2 personnes. A nouveau réservé chez EG en passant par Cooldrive. Réservation des vols Zürich – Portland avec courte escale à Vancouver sur Air Canada pour l’aller et Chicago – Zürich avec Swiss pour le retour. Reste environ 200 jours à patienter avant le grand départ, durant lesquels on actualise notre ESTA, établissons un plan de guerre concernant le matériel à prendre et réservons l’hôtel à l’arrivée à Portland ainsi que les hébergements sur Yellowstone, attrait touristique oblige.

Et finalement arrive le grand jour, départ de Zürich aéroport à 10h05 direction Vancouver (Canada) où l’on se pose à 11h30 après 10h25 de vol avec Air Canada. Très bon vol, avion récent très bien équipé et personnel agréable. Après une escale de 2h où l’on passe directement la douane US dans l’aéroport de Vancouver on reprend un petit bimoteur pour 1h14 de vol. Magnifique survol des Monts Rainier, St Helens et Hood, majestueuses montagnes s’élevant au dessus des forêts nord-américaines avant l’atterrissage à Portland (OR) à 14h44. Plus de douane à passer du coup reste à prendre le train pour rejoindre le centre et le Park Lane Suites & Inn où l’on logera les 2 prochaines nuits. Hôtel placé à mi-chemin entre le centre et le jardin japonais, avec places de parc. Wifi peu fonctionnel dans l’annexe mais ok dans le lobby. Confort standard. Ensuite tranquille, quelques bières en terrasse et repas du soir friture à l’arrache avant une nuit difficile, décalage horaire oblige…

JOUR 1 : Nous voici au premier jour à proprement dit et il s’annonce chargé ! On se lève tôt et descente en ville pour un petit déj au Starbucks puis passage à l’Oregon State Office afin de se munir du précieux « America The Beautiful annual pass » qui vous donne accès pour la modique somme de 80$ à tous les monuments, parcs, forêts nationaux pour 2 motos / 4 personnes (Yellowstone est par exemple déjà 35$ et nous allons en faire un certain nombre). Suite de quoi on saute dans un Uber pour aller récupérer nos destriers pour les 3 prochaines semaines. Après quelques formalités et signatures d’usage, d’avoir convaincu le vieux râleur sexiste de l’agence d’inscrire ma chérie comme 2e conducteur et d’avoir compris comment fonctionnait la connexion Bluetooth parce qu’un bon roadtrip se fait avec une bonne playlist, nous voilà parti pour nos premiers tours de roues. Le soleil est bien présent et la température agréable, de quoi présager une excellente journée. Après un bout d’Interstate histoire de traverser la ville sans se faire ch*** on prend la WA14, magnifique route qui longe la Columbia River au bord de l’eau, jusqu’au Hood River Bridge qui est un pont à péage. Nous traversons pour tirer plein sud direction le Mont Hood. Le paysage change rapidement alors que la rivière fait place aux vignes et vergers, il y a l’embarras du choix pour une halte dégustation de vin ou cidre. Petit à petit les vergers s’éclipsent au profit de la forêt à mesure que l’on monte en direction de la montagne. La route est agréable de même que la température qui se rafraîchit avec l’altitude, on s’arrête manger dans un petit chalet au pied d’une station de ski avant de reprendre la US26 pour Portland et ses 35°C. Passage à l’hôtel afin d’enfiler des vêtements plus légers puis visite du magnifique Japanese Garden, de ses jardins zen, étangs et chutes d’eau. Pour le repas du soir je conseille vivement le North 45 Pub sur la 21st Avenue pour déguster de magnifiques plats de moules locales servies avec une baguette rustique dans le patio avec une bière et une bouteille de rouge. On a toujours testé les bières et vins locaux autant que disponibles. On essaie d’éloigner la fatigue le plus longtemps possible pour combattre se fichu décalage horaire avant de goûter à un repos bien mérité.

Hello, This is still just a plan: My wife and I are considering a bike trip in Denmark. The timeframe would be July 2020, for a solid three weeks. We’d prefer to do a loop to avoid seeing the same landscapes and cities. We also camp. We have our own well-equipped bikes and a single-wheel "Bob" trailer. We’ll likely start and finish in Copenhagen, covering 40 to 60 km per day while leaving time to explore the cities and regions. Through word of mouth, we know Denmark is another cycling country, so we won’t have any trouble finding bike paths. However, when it comes to documents, we’re a bit lost. Since we don’t know the country at all, we’re not sure what’s most interesting to see and travel through. We have the double-sided *Dänemark* map at 1:150,000 from Freytag & Berndt. It shows bike routes and campgrounds (which is great!), but it’s not very practical for biking. Our experience in the Netherlands with "road" maps that quickly fell apart in the rain showed us the limits of those documents... Are there more practical resources? Like a bike guide similar to what we have in France or for European bike routes? Is there a system for identifying bike route numbers like in Holland? And of course, we’d love any practical tips—cost of living, campground prices, hospitality (which I’m sure is excellent), weather quirks, coastal areas, wind (memories of the Netherlands!!!), and, of course, your personal favorites... Thanks in advance to all contributors; Pierre and Dominique from Lorient

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Visiblement, les autorités britanniques auraient dans l'idée de mettre en place un système d'Esta identique à celui existant pour les USA pour tous les voyageurs actuellement dispensés de visa (y compris donc les ressortissants de l'U.E.) souhaitant se rendre dans le pays une fois le Brexit effectif (s'il le devient un jour...). Lire la suite...

Bonsoir.

D'expérience, pouvez-vous me conseiller sur le choix d'un guide pour la Norvège.

A priori j'écarte le petit futé car dans ses premières pages il déclare:" Ce pays n'est pas fait pour les camping-cars"!

Par avance merci.

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de réfléchir à mes prochaines vacances d'été 2020, et je souhaite partir dans le Grand Nord, entre la Norvège et la Suède.

Nous serons 17 nuits sur place pour 18 jours au total, du 28.07.2020 au 14.08.2020 (date prévisionnelle, pas de réservation faite pour le moment).

Nous sommes deux trentenaires et un enfant qui aura 2 ans et demi.

Voici ce que j'avais pensé : - J1 : Arrivée à Lulea à 16h30. Départ vers Jokkmokk dans la foulée. 2 nuits sur place (visite du musée et rando dans le parc Muddus) - J3 : Départ pour le parc d'Abbisko pour 2 nuits (rando à Abisko + visite mine de Kiruna) - J5 : Départ vers la Norvège et l’île de Langoya pour 3 nuits (Queen’s Road Dronningruta (La Route de la Reine), Bleik Matind) - J8 : Départ pour les Lofoten pour 6 nuits (musée Viking, rando Helvete, Munkebu – Hermannsdaltinden, Værøy, Geitgallien..) - J14 : Prise du ferry vers Bodo puis arrivée à Mo i Rena pendant 2 nuits pour une rando sur le glacier Svartisen. - J16 : Longue route de retour vers Lulea pour 2 nuits - J18 : Retour en avion depuis Lulea.

On a un total de 2000 km en deux semaines et demi. Location de voiture à Lulea (beaucoup moins chère)

Qu'en pensez vous ?

Merci,

C'est ici que l'on discute dans la bonne humeur et le respect de l'autre du concours du mois de novembre.😏 C'est aussi ici que l'on partage des photos en "OFF du concours" avant d'avoir trouver "la" bonne photo pour le concours. Retour au concours de novembre: voyageforum.com/...5795;live=1;#9805795