Bolivia: Exploring the South Lipez by Self-Drive
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Hi everyone,

The idea of traveling to Bolivia came to me after seeing Jean-François (Max68)’s photos on his website. I thought we *had* to see those stunning landscapes with the colorful lagoons for ourselves. But a self-drive trip didn’t seem doable at first. A few years ago, everyone advised against going to the South Lipez with just one car.

Laguna Kara

It was only after reading Laurent (Lolobe) and Pascal (Pepe874)’s travel journals—who explored the South Lipez solo with a car from Biz Rent a Car—that I thought we might be able to do the same. Meanwhile, we’d already contacted a local agency to organize a trip with a driver and guide. But the idea of a self-drive adventure really appealed to us. With encouragement and tips from Thierry (Tbernay) and Jean-François (Max68), we decided to plan our own self-drive trip. I’d like to thank them for their advice—it was *super* helpful. And a big thanks to all the other forum members for the info shared during our prep!

Laguna Colorada

Planning this trip happened during a tough time for our family. My mother-in-law’s illness and passing, plus a few health issues of my own, made us doubt the trip multiple times and nearly scrap the whole thing.

We booked our international flights in February with Swiss. They offered the best balance of travel time and price from Switzerland. Swiss operates Zurich–São Paulo with their own fleet, and São Paulo–Santa Cruz with GOL. In June, GOL canceled the Saturday flight and rebooked us on Sunday. Spending over 24 hours in that huge Brazilian city didn’t work for us at all, so we asked Swiss to put us on the next Zurich–São Paulo flight. Too bad—we lost a day in Bolivia and had to skip the Tarabucco market on Sunday.

Right after, we also booked the car in February. After contacting Imbex and Biz, we went with Biz. Not speaking Spanish, we were relieved to communicate with Alejandra in French. The contact was great—she answered all our questions patiently. Sometimes it took a few days to get a reply, but we could also reach her on WhatsApp. After our trip, we can *only* recommend Biz for rentals in Bolivia. The cars are well-prepped for the South Lipez tracks. The agency is reliable, and the vehicles are new and well-maintained.

“Our” car, a Toyota Hilux

While planning, we realized the presidential elections would happen while we were in Bolivia. The risk of *bloqueos* (roadblocks and protests) was very real. But in Bolivia, *bloqueos* seem common—you always have to account for that kind of hassle. In late August/early September, Uyuni and the Salar region were blocked for days, leading to food, fuel, and cash shortages. Worried about a blockade in Uyuni and missing the Salar, we decided to visit it first *just in case*.

On election day, the whole country shut down. Planes were grounded, buses and taxis couldn’t circulate, and private cars were banned. There were a few exceptions—ambulances, police, or certain professions—but as tourists, we couldn’t get permission to drive. We asked the embassy, and Biz even requested a permit from the electoral office. So we had to plan to be somewhere with things to do *without* the car.

We decided not to book any accommodations in advance—a first for us. Usually, we plan our stops and reserve lodges, hotels, or campgrounds well ahead. This time, only the room in Sucre was booked, so we’d have a base when we arrived.

In July, Alex (Delhenry) reached out to propose joining part of the trip. He didn’t realize we were leaving in October. Still, we got fresh updates when he returned from the South Lipez. Thanks, Alex—your tips, especially about the Guadalupe–Tupiza stretch, were *super* useful.

In September, we connected with Jean-Louis (Avx) and Anne (Xeta), who were also heading to Bolivia in October, one and two weeks after us. We had dinner with Jean-Louis and his friend after our South Lipez trip and stayed in touch with Anne. It was great to chat with them! Unfortunately, Anne and her husband had a much rockier trip—they got hit hard by post-election issues.

Climbing Volcán Tunupa

Our itinerary wasn’t set in stone—we decided to wing it on the spot. Two weeks before departure, I reconnected with Alejandra at Biz to move the car rental up by a day. With the elections, we wanted to leave Sucre ASAP and focus on the South Lipez. Outside Uyuni and Tupiza, the risk of blockades was zero. We also planned a two-night buffer in Sucre before our flights, just in case. It might sound overcautious, but in hindsight, we made the right call. If we’d left Sucre a day later, we wouldn’t have made it to Potosí—it was completely blocked. On the way back, we *just* dodged blockades in Potosí and elsewhere. Sometimes, you’ve gotta trust your gut.

Here’s our route—only the first two nights in Sucre were booked ahead:

D1 Departure from Switzerland

D2 Sucre (La Selenita)

D3 Sucre (La Selenita)

D4 Colchani (Hotel de Sal Luna Salada)

D5 Jirira (Auberge Doña Lupe)

D6 On the Salar (in the car)

D7 A few kilometers from Estancia Catal (in the car)

D8 Laguna Hedionda (Hotel Los Flamencos)

D9 Laguna Colorada (Lodge by the lagoon)

D10 Middle of nowhere, en route Laguna Verde–Mina Horsu–Quetena Chico (in the car)

D11 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)

D12 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)

D13 Guadalupe (Guest room at Celia’s)

D14 Along the Rio Grande (in the car)

D15 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)

D16 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)

D17 Sucre (La Selenita)

D18 Sucre (La Selenita)

D19 Santa Cruz (Hotel Sun)

D20 Departure from Santa Cruz

D21 Arrival in Switzerland

As you can see, we spent 13 nights in the South Lipez. Initially, we’d planned for nine, but Jean-François (Max68) suggested staying longer. Great advice—we didn’t regret it one bit. We could’ve even added 2–3 more days without getting bored.

Self-driving in the South Lipez takes some prep and a good GPS. We kept it simple and used maps.me to navigate. It’s a solid app—just save your waypoints ahead of time. For some stretches, I used Google Earth to visualize the tracks and sites. If you stick to the tour operator routes, you *almost* can’t get lost. But we often veered off the beaten path and took different routes. Some days, we didn’t see another car. So in case of a breakdown, it’s key to have water and food for several days. In some spots, there’s *zero* signal—your phone won’t work. Another must: it gets *cold* in the South Lipez, and a good sleeping bag is essential. We brought down sleeping bags rated for -10°C and didn’t regret it during our car nights.

The Dalí Desert

Some tracks are *super* rocky—flat tires are a real risk. On those stretches, maps.me’s estimated travel time was way off. Some sections barely let us go over 15 km/h.

Lots of forum members recommend doing the South Lipez “loop” from Tupiza to Uyuni—ending with the Salar—to avoid Uyuni’s crowds. That might work for organized tours, but for self-drive, the direction *doesn’t* matter. I’ll say this: the few vehicles we saw mostly came from Tupiza and Chile, not Uyuni. So if starting from Uyuni works better for you, go for it! Ending in Tupiza means heading toward warmer weather. For our planned stops and climbs, starting in Uyuni helped with acclimatization. Spending a few nights between 3,600–3,800 m before going over 4,000 m is a smart move.

Uyuni Salt Flats in the morning

Overall, we barely saw anyone—except at Laguna Hedionda and Chalviri. There were several tour groups at Hotel Los Flamencos (Laguna Hedionda), but we didn’t cross paths during the day. Hardly anyone on the Salar, on the roads, or at the lodges in the evenings. The *only* place that shocked us was Chalviri. We’d planned to stay there, but it was fully booked—and we counted *forty* tour jeeps on-site. This was around noon! At the Polques hot springs (Chalviri), it was *packed*—we quickly nixed the idea of a dip. Plus, the vibe wasn’t great: soaking right by the road with lodges and restaurants in the background? Meh. Still, lots of tourists love it, so it’s up to you.

For the photos, I kept the colors and mood we saw. The lagoons’ hues are often stunning, but some online photos are *way* over-edited and oversaturated. The South Lipez’s landscapes are breathtaking—no need for excessive retouching.

If you don’t want to read all the details, the start of the travel journal is here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9888761;a=9888761
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen,

Wow, wow, wow... so many explanations to understand the ins and outs! Complicated family situation, trip almost canceled (I know the feeling and I sympathize), tricky political situation (goodness, you’ve really had it all, haven’t you?!), tough region... in short, why make it simple when you can make it complicated!!!😏 And all that leads to a splendid trip, right? We’re waiting for the rest with the photos.... yum, I can tell we’re going to love it.😇
Nord Chili, NOA, Sud Lipez, La Paz août 2012 https://voyageforum.com/forum/mois_dans_andes_peripeties_en_altitude_D5526293/ Apologie du southwest en hiver https://voyageforum.com/forum/apologie_sud-ouest_etats-unis_en_hiver_D5851267/ Impressions d'Afrique et de Namibie
NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
Hi Carmen,

I’ll read your travel journal with pleasure. Bolivia is one of the most beautiful destinations we’ve visited—the South Lipez in particular. It’s so stunning!
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen. I only have one regret about the South Lipez: not staying there long enough... So, I’m going to fill (a little of) that void in my life.... 😉 I’m off!! But I’ll go back one day, and I’ll definitely take inspiration from your trip....
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
RO Rouquine38 Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen! Awesome! Here’s your travel journal 😊 I’ll be following it with great interest because after Peru, Bolivia is at the top of my South America list 😍
"Voyager est un triple plaisir : l'attente, l'éblouissement et le souvenir." Ilka Chase
TI Titoualsace Veteran ·
Hello Carmen. Thank you for this already fascinating account. I’m starting my prep for likely late October or November, and it’s largely thanks to you, Tberney, AirOne, and others. I also travel solo, completely alone, and sleeping in the car doesn’t bother me—it makes the prep easier and avoids the stress of arriving in the evening. Actually, it means more freedom. My only uncertainty is about the political climate after the elections, which I think are scheduled for July. I’m really looking forward to the rest of your account, which will no doubt be very helpful to me. Best regards, Bernard.
Titoualsace
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Marie-Do, 🙂

complicated political situation (wow, you sure stack them up!!), tough region.... in short, why make it simple when you can make it complicated!!!😏

Yeah, but it’s those little challenges that make a trip exceptional.😛

And all that leads to a splendid trip, right?

Oh yes, the South Lipez is truly stunning.

You should go back—now there are even hotels with heated rooms and dining areas.😉 One evening, I even had dinner in a t-shirt.😄
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Anne-Claire,

Welcome and thanks for your message. The South Lipez is indeed amazing!
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Bruno,

Thanks for your message! 🙂

My only regret about the South Lipez is not having stayed there long enough... So, I’m gonna fill (a little) that void in my life... 😉

I think that’s a regret a lot of people have.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Isabelle,

Awesome! Here’s your travel journal 😊 I’ll be following it with great interest because after Peru, Bolivia is at the top of my list for South America 😍

I highly recommend this destination.

Hopefully, we’ll get a travel journal from your latest trip soon.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Bernard,

I also travel solo, completely alone, and sleeping in the car doesn’t bother me—it makes planning easier and avoids the stress of arriving in the evening. Actually, it’s more freedom.

We loved our nights in the car. Feeling alone in the world, far from everything, surrounded by stunning landscapes—what more could you want?

My only uncertainty is about the political climate after the elections, which I think are scheduled for July.

I get that.

I’m really looking forward to the rest of your story—it’ll definitely be helpful for me.

The rest is coming soon...
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
You should go back—now there are even hotels with heated rooms and dining halls.😉 One evening, I even had dinner in a t-shirt.

Oh noooooon!!!!😕

Yeah, everything’s going downhill...
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
05.10. Departure from Switzerland

The train leaves the station at 4:53 PM, and after a brief stop in Lausanne, we head to Zurich. At check-in, we’re told we have to collect our luggage in São Paulo, go through customs, and put them back on the conveyor on the other side. The plane is full, but the flight is pleasant. I watch two movies before falling asleep.

06.10. São Paulo – Santa Cruz – Sucre, La Selenita

After an 11-hour flight, we arrive in São Paulo. We follow the "connecting flight" signs and ask where we need to pick up our luggage. An employee tells us to get in line—the bags are coming out on the other side. We realize a little too late that the line leads to customs. Before showing our passports, I ask again. The customs officer says everything’s fine, the luggage is just on the other side. Barely past customs, I realize we’ve made a mistake—our bags shouldn’t be here. Anyway, we check the conveyor belt just in case. Nope, they’re not there.

This part of the airport is packed. A huge line snakes through the hall, making three back-and-forth loops. We don’t really understand why everyone’s in line, so we duck under the barriers to reach the area where our next flight departs. Big mistake—we get caught, and they make us go to the back of the line. With a queue this long, our layover, though long, won’t be enough. We explain we made a mistake and need to catch another flight, and people understand. To leave this hall, you have to go through a checkpoint—that’s why the wait is so long. We’ve never seen so many people in an airport. [:surprised]

Since we went through customs to enter Brazil, we have to go through it again to reach the international departure gate. The customs officer gives me a funny look when I hand him my recently stamped passport. He asks why we’re in Brazil. He smiles when I explain our detour.

The GOL flight to Santa Cruz leaves on time, and we arrive at Viru Viru Airport at 12:20 PM. Our luggage made it, and immigration is quick. We grab a Bolivian dish at a small airport restaurant and take advantage of the Wi-Fi. Actually, Wi-Fi isn’t available in the main airport hall. We were supposed to have our next flight to Sucre at 2:45 PM, but it’s pushed back to 6:30 PM. 😐

After walking around the airport, we grab coffee at a bar on the first floor. Right below, we can see the departure board. Benoît notices our flight isn’t listed anymore. We rush to the Amazonas counter, where they explain our 6:30 PM flight is canceled—we’ll only leave at 9:15 PM. [:pirate] We’re disheartened; waiting this long in such a tiny airport is a real pain.

The Amazonas employee offers to hold our travel bags at check-in. To kill time, we decide to take a taxi into town. We pay a driver to take us around for three hours. To communicate, we go with him to the information desk for English-Spanish translation help.

Our driver drops us off at the Casa de la Cultura Raúl Otero Reiche, where we wander through rooms full of photos, paintings, and sculptures. We also visit Plaza 24 de Septiembre, surrounded by historic buildings, including the San Lorenzo Cathedral. Behind the cathedral, there’s a small market and musicians setting up a stage.







Then, we head to Cabañas del Río Pirai. It’s raining, and the ground is muddy, so we only take a short walk. Our last stop is the municipal zoo. Our driver encourages us to visit. This zoo focuses on Bolivian wildlife. Among other things, we see jaguars, various reptiles, condors, parrots, capybaras, tapirs, armadillos, and a giant anteater. Unfortunately, the enclosures are small and poorly maintained. The poor jaguars pace in circles—it’s heartbreaking to see.



Back at the airport, we check the departure board. We’re discouraged to see our flight in red with the word "demorado" (delayed). We go back to the Amazonas check-in counter. They tell us our flight will leave as scheduled at 9:15 PM. We don’t understand and ask why it’s marked "demorado." The Amazonas employee doesn’t speak English. We take a photo of the board and show it to her. Now she’s even more confused. [:crazy] She calls someone for help and tells us not to worry—the flight will leave as planned. Anyway, we go through security and head to the gate, where the flight is also marked "demorado."

Finally, our flight leaves on time, and we arrive in Sucre 35 minutes later. Our taxi driver is waiting and takes us to Guest House Selenita. Our little cottage for the next two nights is really cute, and the view of the city is simply amazing.

To read the next part, click here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9889095;a=9889095
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Oh, the joy of delayed flights, cancellations, and the hassle of finding your luggage... it's the kind of stuff you gotta forget fast if you wanna get excited about traveling again!!!!🤪
Nord Chili, NOA, Sud Lipez, La Paz août 2012 https://voyageforum.com/forum/mois_dans_andes_peripeties_en_altitude_D5526293/ Apologie du southwest en hiver https://voyageforum.com/forum/apologie_sud-ouest_etats-unis_en_hiver_D5851267/ Impressions d'Afrique et de Namibie
TI Titoualsace Veteran ·
Hi Carmen. Thanks for the follow-up. Having to solve problems and all the unexpected issues that come up is part of daily life when you organize everything yourself. But the happiness that comes from the freedom to choose and the ability to adjust things based on circumstances far outweighs the little everyday hassles. Plus, it adds an extra dose of adrenaline. Adrenaline is the traveler’s drug. Bernard.
Titoualsace
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Having to deal with problems and all the unexpected issues that come up is part of daily life when you organize everything yourself. But the happiness that comes from the freedom to choose and the ability to adapt things based on circumstances more than makes up for the occasional daily hassles. Plus, it adds an extra dose of adrenaline. And adrenaline is the traveler’s drug.

I totally agree with you. Long live freedom! 🙂

To be continued...
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
07.10. Sucre, La Selenita

We woke up early—jet lag is really hitting us. Breakfast was simple but good: homemade bread and jams, a fruit salad, and fresh juice. The view is absolutely stunning, and the garden is in full bloom. Julian, the owner, gives us tips for exploring the city and our upcoming trip to the South Lipez. Emilie, the owner, and Julian seem a little worried about us. They’ve never had guests who wanted to do the South Lipez in a self-drive.

"Our" little cottage The terrace The view from La Selenita’s terrace

La Selenita is a bit uphill, so we walk down to the city. First stop: a bank to exchange our US dollars for bolivianos. You have to take a ticket and choose from several options. We don’t understand much, so we just click a button at random. Lucky us—we get served before people who seem to have been waiting forever.😎



Next, we head to Plaza 25 de Mayo. This square, surrounded by beautiful buildings, is the heart of the city. We just admire the cathedral from the outside before moving on to Parque Bolivar. The park, with its mini Eiffel Tower, is pretty ugly—we don’t stick around long. But the central market is great! We spend a while wandering from stall to stall, buying mangoes and a chirimoya. This big green fruit with white flesh is delicious.





The famous zebras...











To be continued here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9889107;a=9889107
MU Muriel18 Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen

Ah! Here it is, this much-awaited travel journal 😉 I’m jumping in while there’s still (a little) room.

You should go back—now there are even hotels with heated rooms and dining halls.😉 One evening, I even had dinner in a t-shirt.

Oh noooooon!!!!😕

Yeah, everything’s changing...

For me, this is actually good news—the cold was one of the biggest turn-offs for this kind of destination.... Muriel
Si tu diffères de moi, mon frère, loin de me léser, tu m'enrichis (Saint Exupéry)
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
A few more photos from the market...







In Sucre, supermarkets are small, and people buy almost everything at the central market. You can find just about anything there—food, hygiene products, and even kitchen utensils.

The rest is here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9889123;a=9889123
KR Krikri6792 Globetrotter ·
Hi Ticapi,

Our trip to Bolivia is starting to feel a bit dated, and I’m curious to see if there’s anything new in the Sud Lípez. 🙂

First off, I notice that Petita is no longer the go-to for self-drive vehicle rentals, and other rental companies have taken over.

I also see there’s a lot more info online and traveler feedback than there used to be.

But from your initial comments, it sounds like a trip to this region is still a real adventure—and that’s a good thing!

Anyway, I’m looking forward to hearing more to see if, like us, you sometimes felt like you were gazing at landscapes from an airplane window! 😉

Cheers,
Tous nos fabuleux voyages : http://sites.google.com/site/fabuleuxvoyageskrikrietherve/
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen,

I didn’t quite get how things work at São Paulo airport.

Is it like in the US? Are there any formalities to complete even if you’re just in transit?
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Continuation from 07.10.

Lunch at the restaurant La Taverne de l’Alliance Française is delicious. The steaks are rare, just how we asked for them. The little outdoor courtyard, with a few tables in the sun, is really pleasant.

We walk up to the Recoleta Convent. We skip the guided tour—our Spanish is way too limited. The view over the city and the mountains from the viewpoint is gorgeous.





Just below, the small ASUR Museum, Museo de Arte Indígena, is super interesting and lets you see the textile traditions of the region’s different communities, festival costumes, rugs, and a few archaeological pieces. At the entrance, you can ask for a brochure with explanations in French.







The famous Jalq'a fabric

After visiting the museum, we walk down to Biz’s place. We’re greeted by Alejandra. She shows us our rental car, a Toyota Hilux. The car is almost new, with only 20,173 km on the odometer. It has tires with a great tread and two spare tires in very good condition. In the bed, there’s a 60-liter gas can, a shovel, and a large metal trunk for storing luggage. We ask if it’s possible to get extra cans to avoid buying gas from locals in the South Lipez. The mechanics will put three 25-liter cans in the trunk.

We take the time to do the paperwork with Alejandra and set a meet-up for the next morning at 9:30 AM. Before leaving, Alejandra warns us to drive carefully! The rental company’s maximum speed limit is 70 km/h on the Salar and only 20 km/h if there’s water. It’s essential to use the exit ramps. Two cars recently got stuck leaving the Salar to the north. One was there for 24 hours before a local farmer managed to pull it out. She tells us to be careful on rocky trails and watch out for washboarding. This year, two clients broke their car’s shock absorbers. In short, she urges us to drive slowly and take our time.

The San Felipe de Neri church and convent aren’t far from Biz’s place, so we stop by. The inside of the church isn’t worth a visit, but the view from the convent’s terrace is truly stunning.









We have dinner at the Posada restaurant, recommended by Emilie and Julian. The food is good, and the service is impeccable. Then, tired from our long day of sightseeing, we walk up to the Selenita.

The rest is here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9892187;a=9892187
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hello, 🙂

I didn’t quite understand how things work at São Paulo airport.

Me neither...😉

Is it like in the United States? Are there formalities to complete even if you’re just in transit?

In Zurich, during check-in, they told us we had to collect our luggage, go through a check, and then immediately drop it off on the next conveyor belt. They also mentioned we had to stay in the transit zone.

Our mistake was going through customs. The staff didn’t really speak English, and our Spanish was non-existent. The "connecting flight" sign led us to customs, and the employees kept saying we were in the right place. I even made sure to mention we had a flight to Santa Cruz.

Once we’d passed through customs, we saw there was a passage to the left of customs (before going through) that would’ve let us stay in the transit zone. To be fair, there were so many people everywhere—it was really hard to spot that passage.

Did we actually need to collect our luggage in the transit zone? I can’t say for sure. We were a bit stressed and thought that if we had to go through a check with our bags, they might end up stuck in Brazil. But before boarding, we saw our bags on the cart taking luggage to the plane.

The most important thing is not to leave the transit zone, because if there’s a check, that’s where it’ll happen.
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Adrenaline is the traveler's drug. Bernard.

Uhhh, not all of us... A trip without hiccups or logistical problems is great too! But I totally agree with the freedom part!!!
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Muriel, 🙂

As far as I’m concerned, it’s actually good news—the cold being one of the main drawbacks for this kind of destination....

Don’t get too excited just yet, 😉 far from all hotels are heated. I’d even say it’s pretty rare. But with the right gear, there’s no problem.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Christine,

Our trip to Bolivia is starting to feel a bit dated, and I’m curious to see if there’s anything new in the Southern Lipez.🙂

I remember your trip—I devoured your travel journal back then!

First off, I notice that Petita is no longer the go-to for self-drive vehicle rentals, and other rental companies have taken over.

This rental company still exists, but it’s been taken over, and the quality and maintenance of the vehicles don’t seem to be top-notch anymore. Finding a reliable 4x4 is still no easy feat in Bolivia.

I also see there’s a lot more info online and more traveler feedback than before.

"A lot" might be a bit of an exaggeration.😉 But you *can* find several travel journals about self-driving in the Southern Lipez now. That said, many of these travelers were in pairs or even multiple cars.

From your initial comments, it sounds like a trip to this region is still a real adventure—and that’s a good thing!

Absolutely, especially if you venture off the routes used by tour operators.

Anyway, I’m looking forward to the rest to see if, like us, you sometimes felt like you were gazing at landscapes from an airplane window!😉

I wouldn’t dare use that phrase in my travel journal.😛
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen,

Well, you see, I didn’t know it was possible to arrive in Sucre when entering Bolivia (via Santa Cruz).

Didn’t you want to try arriving at El Alto at 4,200m altitude? Or was La Paz too far from the area you wanted to visit?

I just found out there are also those people dressed up to help pedestrians (mostly school kids, right?) cross the street, like in La Paz. I thought that was really nice.

Anyway, several of you have gone through Biz Rent a Car and had good things to say. In the end, you just have to follow Airone’s travel journal to know who *not* to rent from...

We rush to the Amazonas airline counter where we’re told our 6:30 PM flight is canceled—we’ll only leave at 9:15 PM. 🏴‍☠️We’re devastated; waiting that long in this tiny airport is a real nightmare.

I see Amazonas is still just as unreliable—flights delayed or canceled!!!

Our taxi driver is waiting for us and takes us to Guest House Selenita.

Had you arranged for a driver to meet you? Did you let them know you’d be late?

We buy some mangoes and a chirimoya. This big green fruit with white flesh is delicious.

I haven’t tried the fruit in Chile, but the juice they make from it is absolutely amazing. Once you try it, you’re hooked!!

Cheers.
Nord Chili, NOA, Sud Lipez, La Paz août 2012 https://voyageforum.com/forum/mois_dans_andes_peripeties_en_altitude_D5526293/ Apologie du southwest en hiver https://voyageforum.com/forum/apologie_sud-ouest_etats-unis_en_hiver_D5851267/ Impressions d'Afrique et de Namibie
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Hey Bruno,

A trip without hiccups or logistical problems is great too!

Definitely!!! It’s way better with the suit and tie!!!!
Nord Chili, NOA, Sud Lipez, La Paz août 2012 https://voyageforum.com/forum/mois_dans_andes_peripeties_en_altitude_D5526293/ Apologie du southwest en hiver https://voyageforum.com/forum/apologie_sud-ouest_etats-unis_en_hiver_D5851267/ Impressions d'Afrique et de Namibie
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Anyway, I’m waiting to hear the rest to see if, like us, you sometimes felt like you were gazing at some landscapes from an airplane window! 😉

So cool!! 😄😄
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RJ Rjulie95 Globetrotter ·
In the end, you’ve got to follow Airone’s travel journal to know who NOT to rent from...😏

It’s a pattern with him—same thing in Southern Africa 😄
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi there, 🙂

Well, you see, I didn’t know it was possible to arrive in Sucre when entering Bolivia (via Santa Cruz).

Two airlines (Amazonas and BoA) operate flights between Santa Cruz and Sucre and vice versa, several times a day.

Didn’t you want to try arriving at El Alto at 4,200m altitude? Or was La Paz too far from the area you wanted to visit?

That was indeed our first plan, but flights from Switzerland were cheaper with an arrival in Santa Cruz. Either way, we had to take a domestic flight to Sucre, with a rental from BIZ.

I just found out there are also these people dressed up to help pedestrians (mostly school kids, right?) cross the street, like in La Paz. I thought that was really nice.

Yes, it’s super nice! They helped everyone cross, not just school kids.

Anyway, several of you have gone through Biz Rent a Car and had good things to say about them.

We were really happy we went with them! They take good care of their cars, and for us, who don’t speak any Spanish at all, being able to communicate in French was a huge plus. Even after we got home, I kept in touch with Alejandra via WhatsApp about the election updates.

In the end, you just have to follow Airone’s travel journal to know who *not* to rent from...😏

Exactly.😄

I see Amazonas is still just as unreliable—flights delayed or canceled!!!🤪

Yeah, but according to the owner of Selenita, BoA isn’t any better. That said, with Amazonas, we were always notified by phone and email. There were delays, sure, but the service was still there. You’ll see later with the Sucre-Santa Cruz flight.

Our taxi driver is waiting for us and takes us to Guest House Selenita.

Had you arranged for a driver to meet you? Did you let them know you’d be late?

It was the trusted driver from Selenita who was waiting for us at the airport. We’d requested a taxi when booking our room. To communicate with the owner of Selenita in case of flight issues, we got her mobile number, and we kept in touch via WhatsApp. Unfortunately, our last message arrived too late—the driver was already on his way. It was hard to get Wi-Fi at the airport. Anyway, he waited for us and asked for a small extra fee. It worked out perfectly—we used his services to do our shopping before heading to BIZ and again for the ride to the airport when we left.
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Thanks for all this info. I’m waiting for the next part... the most anticipated one: the South Lipez! 😏
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TI Titoualsace Veteran ·
Hi Bruno. Yes, it's obvious that a trouble-free trip is more enjoyable. That's exactly why some prefer to travel fully organized, and that's perfectly respectable. However, with organized trips, if there's a problem, you can't resolve anything yourself, so you're forced to just deal with it. Personally, I don't like that much. Bernard.
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TI Titoualsace Veteran ·
Hi again Carmen. In a message, you told me: "Why land in Santa Cruz and have to drive all the way to Sucre?" Your photos of Sucre totally convinced me—you were right. Starting from Sucre makes much more sense. Bernard.
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DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Hey Krikri,

Anyway, I’m waiting for the rest to see if, like us, you sometimes felt like you were gazing at certain landscapes from an airplane window! 😉

I know another one who spent his time quoting you to joke around!!

That mistake turned out to be a good thing, since it let us pass near the village of Releave, which is absolutely uninteresting. At least we entertained the women from the village who were washing their laundry in the river not far from the bridge. After the village, we followed the track that runs along the river and joins the main trail—it’s not great, so it’s better to avoid this detour since it doesn’t offer anything major. The landscapes are stunning, sure, and we move "from ridge to ridge, from slope to slope, with surprises at every turn, sometimes feeling like we’re gazing at these landscapes from an airplane window!" (Seriously, who wrote this line?😛)
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KR Krikri6792 Globetrotter ·
Hey Diamina,

I know another one who spent their time quoting you to joke around!!

Every time, the royalties land straight in my pocket! 😎😏

See you later [;]
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DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Every time, the royalties land straight in my pocket! 😎😏

Well, if it’s for a good cause, I’ll try to do the same when I tell our next trip’s story... I still don’t know when, though!😏
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BL Blancond Regular ·
Hi Carmen, Another trip that promises to be exciting despite the hassles caused by the blockades. I'm off! Jacques
XE Xeta Veteran ·
In September, we also had contact with Jean-Louis (Avx) and Anne (Xeta), who were also leaving in October, but one and two weeks after us. We had dinner with Jean-Louis and his friend on our return from the South Lipez and also kept in touch with Anne. It was really nice to communicate with them. Unfortunately, for Anne and her husband, the trip was much more eventful than for us. They bore the brunt of the problems following the elections.

Hi Carmen, it's sweet of you to think of me We got back from our trip to Bolivia almost 3 months ago, and the bitterness is still very much there. Fortunately, it's fading little by little, and I console myself over our mishaps (and our fears) by being glad we left France on October 15th and not the following weekend. Indeed, that gave us a real week of vacation, whereas if we had left a few days later, we would have been stuck for almost our entire holiday....

On election day, the whole country comes to a standstill. Planes are grounded, buses and taxis are banned from circulating, and it's forbidden to drive a private car. There may be a few exceptions, like ambulances, the police, or certain professions. But for us tourists, it was impossible to get permission to drive. We still asked the embassy, and Biz asked for permission at the electoral office. So we had to organize ourselves to be somewhere where we could keep busy during the day without using the car.

Thanks to you, I learned before leaving that tourists wouldn’t be allowed to drive on Sunday, October 20th, the day of the presidential elections. So I planned for us to spend the night of Saturday, October 19th, camping at Laguna Celeste, which is reputed to be very beautiful, to make the most of it the next day and avoid driving on Sunday. The night was terrible despite our sleeping bags (comfort rated for 3°C, extreme for -20°C) because of the cold and the ever-present wind. As a result, on Sunday morning, after attempting breakfast (so hard to boil water at these altitudes 😉) and a short walk around, we finally hit the road toward Laguna Verde. We only came across a few vehicles, all from local agencies. At worst, if we had been stopped, we would have camped on the spot. We don’t regret breaking the driving ban because it allowed us to reach Laguna Verde and thus cover a lot of kilometers and, more importantly, save time on the road 🙂 And in hindsight, when you see how our "vacation" ended, we’re really glad we didn’t "waste" that day (besides, like you, we had our flight to Santa Cruz canceled on the way there; the American Airlines flight was delayed by a day from Miami and moved up by a day on the return, so two days less overall on our trip. But okay, on the way back, we were just happy to get home 😉)

Overall, we only crossed paths with very few people, except at Laguna Hedionda and Chalviri. There were several tour operators at the Hotel Los Flamencos at Laguna Hedionda. But during the day, we didn’t see them. Not many people on the Salar, not many on the road, and generally, not many people in the evening at the accommodations. The only place that really shocked us was Chalviri. We thought we’d sleep there, but everything was fully booked, and we counted about forty jeeps from tour operators on the site. And yet, it was around noon. At the Polques hot springs (Chalviri), there were so many people that we quickly gave up on bathing. Plus, the place didn’t really appeal to us—bathing so close to the track with lodges and restaurants in the background, meh. Yet, this place seems to be popular with many tourists, so it’s up to you.

Like you and your husband, we saw quite a few people at the Hotel Los Flamencos. But no one at Chalviri—we passed through there on Sunday, October 20th 😎

As for the photos, I kept the atmosphere and colors we saw. The colors of the lagoons are often stunning, but some photos you can find online are heavily edited and sometimes oversaturated. The landscapes of the South Lipez are breathtaking; excessive photo editing is completely unnecessary.

I totally agree 🙂 The landscapes and colors are stunning!
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Hi Anne,

Looking back, when we see how our "vacation" ended, we’re really glad we didn’t "waste" that day (by the way, we also had our flight to Santa Cruz canceled on the way there—American Airlines flight delayed by a day from Miami and moved up by a day on the return, so two days less overall; but okay, on the way back, we were just happy to get home 😉)

Will you tell us about it? It seems like it’s really best to avoid Bolivia during election periods, right?
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
I console myself about our setbacks (and our fears) by being glad we decided to leave France on October 15th and not the following weekend. Indeed, it allowed us to have a real week of vacation, whereas if we had left a few days later, we would have been stuck for almost our entire trip...

Not sure, Jean-Louis left Sucre on the 22nd toward the end of the day. They didn’t have any trouble reaching Tupiza and enjoyed the South Lipez to the fullest. However, the return to Sucre was complicated (though less so than for you), and they barely caught their flight. It seems the situation really worsened starting October 23rd. We had dinner together on October 21st—it was still pretty calm in Sucre. Well, the electoral tribunal was on fire🏴‍☠️, and we heard lots of firecrackers.

I had planned for us to spend the night of Saturday, October 19th camping at Laguna Celeste, known for its beauty, to fully enjoy it the next day and avoid driving on Sunday. The night was terrible despite our sleeping bags (comfort rated for 3°C, extreme -20°C) because of the cold and relentless wind.

Yeah, I can imagine—the nights were really cold. We had sleeping bags rated for -10°C comfort and didn’t regret it.

Looking back, when we see how our "vacation" ended, we’re really glad we didn’t "waste" that day (plus, like you, we dealt with the cancellation of our flight to Santa Cruz on the way there; the American Airlines flight was delayed a day from Miami and moved up a day on the return, so two days less overall. Okay, on the way back, we were just happy to get home 😉)

Losing two days is so frustrating. Luckily, it was only a few hours for us.

Like you and your husband, we saw quite a few people at Hotel Los Flamencos. But no one at Chalviri—we passed through on Sunday, October 20th 😎

Being in the middle of the desert on election day was ideal. We couldn’t do that—the 20th fell toward the end of our trip, so we were either in Tupiza or Uyuni. We chose to do the tour in the other direction, so we were in Tupiza for the elections.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Clearly, it's really better to avoid Bolivia during election periods, right?

At least in the cities and villages. In the desert, you won't risk anything.😉 Still, you’ve got to keep things in perspective—Jean-François was in Bolivia during the presidential elections and didn’t even notice.
MA Marati Globetrotter ·
Hey Carmen, Just one day I don’t check my "travel journal" notifications to look out for your journal, and boom—I miss it. I haven’t read anything yet, but I can already see I’m the last one to hop on board 😕 or almost... Now I’m kicking myself... 😏 Gonna savor all this at lunchtime 😉
MA Marati Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen, What a rough start to your trip... 😕 Biz also allows picking up the car directly in La Paz or Santa Cruz for an extra fee. Did you look into that option, and what was the extra cost? Either way, the package of only 1100 km/week, and especially the cost per extra km, means you have to plan your route carefully and should probably start from Sucre rather than La Paz despite the flight complications...

Having a French-speaking contact at Biz is a real plus. However, I didn’t quite understand how the pick-up worked. The truck bed was open, and you had them fill 60+75 L of jerry cans? No risk of theft 😮? Thanks

PS: Completely agree about only using reasonably edited photos that match what the eye actually sees. The over-saturated photos flooding the internet and social media can only lead to (somewhat relative) disappointment once you're there.
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi Guillaume,

Biz also allows picking up the car directly in La Paz or Santa Cruz, for an extra fee. Did you look into that option, and what was the extra cost?

Yes, they can also pick up the car in Uyuni, and you can take a flight from that city. However, I prefer picking up the car in the city where the rental agency is located. That way, you can ask for extras—like the three jerry cans for us—and we also got help with the SIM card. Most importantly, you can inspect the car on the spot.

No, I don’t know the price from La Paz or Santa Cruz. Flights from Switzerland to La Paz were too expensive, and the schedules weren’t great. Santa Cruz isn’t a very nice city, and the drive from Santa Cruz to the South Lipez is super long. For us, no regrets—we loved Sucre.

In any case, the package with only 1,100 km/week, and especially the cost per extra km, means you have to plan your route carefully. It also makes starting from Sucre better than La Paz, despite the flight complications...

If you’re mainly doing the South Lipez and not rushing (over 10 days or more), the included kilometers are enough. If I remember correctly, we paid around fifty dollars extra for the kilometers. But starting from Santa Cruz would mean a lot more kilometers.

Having a French-speaking contact at Biz is a real plus.

Yes, especially when you don’t speak Spanish. Renting is one thing, but if there’s a breakdown or other issue, not knowing the language can get complicated fast. That said, Bolivians are friendly—they always took the time to try to understand us. We also put Google Translate on Benoît’s iPhone. The app works offline, which was really useful on this trip.

I didn’t quite understand how the pickup worked. The bed was open, and you had 60+75 L of jerry cans filled? No risk of theft? 😮

Yes, the bed was open. We had a large 60-liter jerry can in the bed, behind the metal trunk, along with one of the spare tires and the shovel. The three smaller 25-liter jerry cans were in the metal trunk. Normally, they don’t provide these cans because, according to them, the extra 60 liters are enough.

Since we were in Bolivia during election season, I was worried about problems like *bloqueos*. If there’s a *bloqueo* lasting several days, it’s not certain you’d be able to buy gas from locals. Long story short, I preferred to be cautious, and as mentioned in the intro, we were right to adjust our itinerary to avoid issues.

That said, with five people, you can’t take extra jerry cans (aside from the 60 L one). Your luggage will fill the trunk.

As for the risk of theft, I wondered the same thing, but we had no issues. Alejandra told us there wasn’t any risk, and in cities, you should stay at a hotel with a secure parking lot. That’s often not possible in villages, but you don’t have much choice.

PS: Fully agree about only posting reasonably edited photos that match what the eye sees. The over-saturated photos flooding the internet and social media can only lead to (relative) disappointment on the ground.

Anyway, the colors of the lagoons are stunning—you don’t need to saturate the photo to get beautiful colors, and I’m not even talking about the colors of Tunupa. That volcano is truly incredible. But when you take photos in JPEG, the camera does the work for you. Benoît’s iPhone photos were sometimes way too saturated, but that’s fixable...😉

Just a quick note about the lagoon colors. Depending on the time of day, whether there’s wind or not, the colors can vary a lot. For us, the best example was Laguna Colorada. Incredible colors in the afternoon, but the next day, the orange had almost disappeared.

Carmen
XE Xeta Veteran ·
Will you tell us about it? Apparently, it's really best to avoid Bolivia during election periods, right?

Hi Marie-Do, When we left Bolivia, it was unthinkable for me to write a travel journal because the end of our vacation was so ruined. Beyond those lost last days, what really stuck with us was the fear. At a roadblock, we were surrounded by a group of over twenty men armed with iron bars who threatened to smash the car; they threw rocks at the car and slashed a tire. After spending a night in the car because of the blockades, the next day was psychologically draining again. As I told Carmen in my previous message, the bitterness remains even though we got home in early November.

Maybe one day I’ll share our vacation story (well, mostly the first week 🙂) but for now, I’m just not in that headspace 😕
DI Diamina Globetrotter ·
Hi Anne,

I totally get that you don’t feel like talking about it. I’m so sorry it went so badly. I feel for you both from the bottom of my heart.

Take your time to recover, you and your husband. Time heals emotional wounds. You just have to wait and talk about it if you need to, to let it out, to express it. Maybe writing could help—putting words to your emotions, to the events, like people who write biographies to create distance from what happened to them.

Some trips are more challenging than others; they say those are the ones that make you grow. So, it seems that once you’ve overcome the stress you’ve endured, you’ll be stronger!!!

Big hugs.
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GI Girardinpho Veteran ·
Hi Carmen,

Off to a great start! 😛

So if there’s still room in the truck bed, I’m in!
Nathalie

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ML Mlefevre Globetrotter ·
Hi Carmen, Oh, the travel journal has finally started—I’m already savoring it in advance. Thanks, and good luck with the writing! Marie
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ML Mlefevre Globetrotter ·
Hi Anne, I understand you were traumatized—anyone would be! I’d also considered Bolivia but ultimately chose Chile instead (that was last November) because I’d already read quite a few stories about *bloqueos* in Bolivia, which are already a form of aggression. I’m always wary of group dynamics—you never know how far things might go... You didn’t have much luck, but it could’ve ended worse. And it’s great that you’re sharing your experience, even if it was unpleasant... because I’m sure Carmen’s travel journal will inspire some 😇 ideas, and a well-informed traveler is worth two! Marie
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