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Japan Rail Pass pour dix-sept jours?
by Pegale
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bonjour,
souhaitant faire un voyage au japon, j'ai lu à travers de nombreux posts qu'il était avantageux de prendre le japan rail pass. Cependant je vois que la possibilité de l'acheter pour 14 jours ou 21 jours. Or, nous serons au Japon pour 17 jours? est-il possible d'avoir le pass pour 17 jours? peut-on prendre 14 jours et rajouter quelques jours en plus?
Permet-il des réductions sur les réseau de métro et de bus comme la Kyoto ou Tokyo?
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pegale
Non, le JR Pass n'a que trois durées fixes, et il n'est pas possible de le prolonger de quelques jours.
Cela dit, à Tokyo-même, le JR Pass n'est valable que sur les lignes Chuo et Yamanote, et ce forfait n'est de toute façon pas rentable pour des trajets urbains ou péri-urbains. Idem à Kyoto : le trajet AR vers Nara ne coûte pas cher, et le JR Pass n'a aucune utilité dans la ville de Kyoto.
La stratégie la plus courante consiste à commencer par rester quelques jours à Tokyo (ou Kyoto, si on arrive par Osaka), et de ne faire démarrer le JR Pass qu'à ce moment-là. Ou de faire l'inverse : terminer le voyage par quelques jours à Tokyo ou Kyoto. Dans votre cas, un forfait de 14 jours fera sans doute très bien l'affaire
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La stratégie la plus courante consiste à commencer par rester quelques jours à Tokyo (ou Kyoto, si on arrive par Osaka), et de ne faire démarrer le JR Pass qu'à ce moment-là. Ou de faire l'inverse : terminer le voyage par quelques jours à Tokyo ou Kyoto. Dans votre cas, un forfait de 14 jours fera sans doute très bien l'affaire
Nagoya - Kyoto : 0h37, 5640 yen
Nagoya - Tokyo : 1h48, 10780 yen
sans compter le trajet aéroport de Nagoya <> gare de Nagoya, qu'il faut faire de toute façon.
Il est effectivement plus facile d'échanger le voucher contr le Japan Rail Pass à l'aéroport d'arrivée (je ne connais pas celui de Nagoya, mais je serais très surpris qu'il n'y ait pas de comptoir pour cela). Et c'est plus facile de commencer le voyage avec la facilité du JR pass. A la fin du voyage, vous aurez largement pris vos repères pour acheter les billets pour revenir sur Nagoya, plutôt que de tâtonner à peine sorti de l'avion
sans compter le trajet aéroport de Nagoya <> gare de Nagoya, qu'il faut faire de toute façon.
Il est effectivement plus facile d'échanger le voucher contr le Japan Rail Pass à l'aéroport d'arrivée (je ne connais pas celui de Nagoya, mais je serais très surpris qu'il n'y ait pas de comptoir pour cela). Et c'est plus facile de commencer le voyage avec la facilité du JR pass. A la fin du voyage, vous aurez largement pris vos repères pour acheter les billets pour revenir sur Nagoya, plutôt que de tâtonner à peine sorti de l'avion
Bonjour Pegale,
Ayant été 12 fois au japon, je peux vous aider pour votre question. Rail-pass de 7, 14 ou 21 jours avec impossibilité de prolonger de 2 ou 3 jours. A acheter en Europe.
Il existe aussi des rails-Pass spécifiques pour Hokkaido, Kyushu, Kansai ....etc.... Mais le plus intéressant au niveau prix reste le Rail-Pass général.
Pas de réduction sur les bus, metro etc sauf à Tokyo ou on peut utiliser la ligne circulaire " Yamanote Line" gratuitement avec le Rail-Pass. Mais cela ne permet pas de tout voir.
Le mieux dans votre cas : prendre à Narita le train JR jusque Ueno : très bon marché ( 1100 yens) et 1H15 de trajet. Le Skyliner et le N ' EX ( Narita Express ) sont nettement plus onéreux. Visiter Tokyo puis 2 ou 3 jours après commencer la première utilisation du Rail-Pass ( bien dire à l'aéroport de Narita que vous voulez le premier jour de validation pour telle date).
A Tokyo vous pouvez aussi acheter le ONE DAY Pass qui est intéressant pour le métro.
Si vous panachez les vols, vous pouvez aussi revenir de Osaka Kansai. Dans ce cas il y a des bus pas chers pour Nara ou Kyoto. En train, la KEISEI line vous conduit à KIX ( osaka kansai) mais reste cher.
Enfin les détenteurs du Rail-Pass peuvent avoir de fortes réductions dans les hôtels JR ( Japan Railways). Mais ces hôtels restent chers et sont occidentaux. Donc je leur préfère les ryokans.
En résumé, si vous partez 19 jours, il peut s'avérer utile de prendre un rail-pass de 21 jours.
Mais pour 17 je prendrais 14 jours.
Bon à savoir : les tarifs étant dégressifs, la 1ère semaine est la plus chère.
Cela pose un problème pour ceux qui restent 1 mois car ils doivent acheter 3 semaines et 1 semaine.
Pour rappel, impossible de voyager sans rail-pass : un trajet simple Tokyo - Kyoto coûte la bagatelle de 13.000 yens pour 2H45.
Des jeunes font cela en bus de nuit ( 8H) mais c'est fatigant et certains n'ont alors plus le courage de visiter.
Bon voyage
Ayant été 12 fois au japon, je peux vous aider pour votre question. Rail-pass de 7, 14 ou 21 jours avec impossibilité de prolonger de 2 ou 3 jours. A acheter en Europe.
Il existe aussi des rails-Pass spécifiques pour Hokkaido, Kyushu, Kansai ....etc.... Mais le plus intéressant au niveau prix reste le Rail-Pass général.
Pas de réduction sur les bus, metro etc sauf à Tokyo ou on peut utiliser la ligne circulaire " Yamanote Line" gratuitement avec le Rail-Pass. Mais cela ne permet pas de tout voir.
Le mieux dans votre cas : prendre à Narita le train JR jusque Ueno : très bon marché ( 1100 yens) et 1H15 de trajet. Le Skyliner et le N ' EX ( Narita Express ) sont nettement plus onéreux. Visiter Tokyo puis 2 ou 3 jours après commencer la première utilisation du Rail-Pass ( bien dire à l'aéroport de Narita que vous voulez le premier jour de validation pour telle date).
A Tokyo vous pouvez aussi acheter le ONE DAY Pass qui est intéressant pour le métro.
Si vous panachez les vols, vous pouvez aussi revenir de Osaka Kansai. Dans ce cas il y a des bus pas chers pour Nara ou Kyoto. En train, la KEISEI line vous conduit à KIX ( osaka kansai) mais reste cher.
Enfin les détenteurs du Rail-Pass peuvent avoir de fortes réductions dans les hôtels JR ( Japan Railways). Mais ces hôtels restent chers et sont occidentaux. Donc je leur préfère les ryokans.
En résumé, si vous partez 19 jours, il peut s'avérer utile de prendre un rail-pass de 21 jours.
Mais pour 17 je prendrais 14 jours.
Bon à savoir : les tarifs étant dégressifs, la 1ère semaine est la plus chère.
Cela pose un problème pour ceux qui restent 1 mois car ils doivent acheter 3 semaines et 1 semaine.
Pour rappel, impossible de voyager sans rail-pass : un trajet simple Tokyo - Kyoto coûte la bagatelle de 13.000 yens pour 2H45.
Des jeunes font cela en bus de nuit ( 8H) mais c'est fatigant et certains n'ont alors plus le courage de visiter.
Bon voyage
Il y a une petite erreur. Narita - Ueno n'est pas du JR mais la compagnie Keisei. Et les ltd express de ce trajet ne valent pas 1100JPY mais 1000JPY.
Par contre, en effet prendre le Skyliner n'a pas grand interrêt.
Si non, le truc quand on reste plus longtemps que la durée d'un pass est prendre un pass de la durée inférieure ou suppérieure en fonction des cas.
Dans ton cas, je ne prendrais pas de pass pour Tokyo et je le garderais pou les long trajets.
Pour rappel, le moyens d'acces aux principaux aéroports sont: Narita (NRT) : JR NEX ou ltd express, Keisei Skyliner ou ltd express Kansai (KIX) : JR Haruka ou airport rapid service, Nankai Rapi:t ou Airport express Centrair (NGO) : Meitetsu Rapide ltd express ou ltd express ou express
Le mieux dans votre cas : prendre à Narita le train JR jusque Ueno : très bon marché ( 1100 yens) et 1H15 de trajet. Le Skyliner et le N ' EX ( Narita Express ) sont nettement plus onéreux.
Si non, le truc quand on reste plus longtemps que la durée d'un pass est prendre un pass de la durée inférieure ou suppérieure en fonction des cas.
Dans ton cas, je ne prendrais pas de pass pour Tokyo et je le garderais pou les long trajets.
Pour rappel, le moyens d'acces aux principaux aéroports sont: Narita (NRT) : JR NEX ou ltd express, Keisei Skyliner ou ltd express Kansai (KIX) : JR Haruka ou airport rapid service, Nankai Rapi:t ou Airport express Centrair (NGO) : Meitetsu Rapide ltd express ou ltd express ou express
Le mieux dans votre cas : prendre à Narita le train JR jusque Ueno : très bon marché ( 1100 yens) et 1H15 de trajet. Le Skyliner et le N ' EX ( Narita Express ) sont nettement plus onéreux.
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Sorry, en effet vous arrivez à Nagoya.
Le West Rail-Pass Kansai area ne couvre pas Nagoya mais Osaka, Himeji, Kobe, Kansai airport, Takada, Nara et Sakurai.
Il coûte pour 1 jour : 2000 y, 2 jrs : 4000 y, 3 jrs : 5000 y et 4 jrs 6000 y ( jours pris consécutivement). Pour info, le train Haruka ( airport kansai - Kyoto) coûte à lui seul 2980 yens.
Pas de Rail-Pass valable de l'aéroport de Nagoya mais transport jusque Nagoya Station : 850 yens pour 30 minutes. Le rail-pass ne peut être validé à l'aéroport, seulement à la gare. Bureau ouvert de 10 à 18H.
Bien à vous.
Le West Rail-Pass Kansai area ne couvre pas Nagoya mais Osaka, Himeji, Kobe, Kansai airport, Takada, Nara et Sakurai.
Il coûte pour 1 jour : 2000 y, 2 jrs : 4000 y, 3 jrs : 5000 y et 4 jrs 6000 y ( jours pris consécutivement). Pour info, le train Haruka ( airport kansai - Kyoto) coûte à lui seul 2980 yens.
Pas de Rail-Pass valable de l'aéroport de Nagoya mais transport jusque Nagoya Station : 850 yens pour 30 minutes. Le rail-pass ne peut être validé à l'aéroport, seulement à la gare. Bureau ouvert de 10 à 18H.
Bien à vous.
Bonjour,
je me permets de remonter le sujet, car je suis sur le point d'acheter le Japan Rail Pass (14 jours) mais j'hésite encore. Je suis donc à la recherche de conseils et de retours d'expérience... ;) Mon itinéraire est le suivant :
du 9 au 14 : Tokyo (arrivée le 9 à Narita) 15 octobre : Tokyo ==> Hiroshima 16 octobre : Hiroshima 17 octobre : Hiroshima ==> Miyajima 18 octobre : Hiroshima ==> Kyoto 18 au 23 : Kyoto avec excursions (Nara et autres...) 23 octobre : Kyoto ==> Tokyo 23 au 25 : Tokyo 25 octobre : Départ de Tokyo pour Paris...
Je vous remercie par avance pour vos conseils !
je me permets de remonter le sujet, car je suis sur le point d'acheter le Japan Rail Pass (14 jours) mais j'hésite encore. Je suis donc à la recherche de conseils et de retours d'expérience... ;) Mon itinéraire est le suivant :
du 9 au 14 : Tokyo (arrivée le 9 à Narita) 15 octobre : Tokyo ==> Hiroshima 16 octobre : Hiroshima 17 octobre : Hiroshima ==> Miyajima 18 octobre : Hiroshima ==> Kyoto 18 au 23 : Kyoto avec excursions (Nara et autres...) 23 octobre : Kyoto ==> Tokyo 23 au 25 : Tokyo 25 octobre : Départ de Tokyo pour Paris...
Je vous remercie par avance pour vos conseils !
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Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)