Moscou-Tashkent (Ouzbékistan) ou Moscou-Bishkek (Kirghizistan)
by Opai
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Quelqu'un aurait il pris un de ces trains? J'aurais quelques questions...
Merci
Souvenir : excellent. Très convivial et chaleureux.
Billets pris dans n'importe quelle gare ou agence en Russie (les agences évitent le stress mais prennent une petite commission)
Assez disponibles même l'été de Moscou jusqu'à la frontière (station Ilek), quitte à prendre des correspondances. 1000 roubles en «platzkarte» d'après mon souvenir ; multiplier par 1, 5 pour un «coupé» à 4.
Ensuite le mieux à mon avis consiste à négocier directement avec le chef de wagon (provodnik). Pour la même somme au maximum on va jusqu'au bout, mais sachant qu'ils prennent alors beaucoup plus de monde qu'il n'y de places, le confort risque d'être spartiate (cela entre aussi dans la négociation, d'ailleurs). Il faut savoir être souple ou ferme au bon moment avec chacun, nouer des alliances sans se tromper... En été, une place attitrée sur un porte-bagages est un privilège.
Sinon, à Moscou, s'y prendre un mois et demi à l'avance en été ; en hiver il reste toujours des places.
Visa double («affaires») par un intermédiaire en France.
Kätele : sur le service à bord du train
Pas de souvenir précis, d'autant plus que je n'ai pas été beaucoup dans le wagon-restaurant. Service standard, convenable, semble-t-il. Il y avait toujours beaucoup de bonnes choses à acheter sur les quais au passage : beaucoup mieux ! On partage entre voisins, et il y en a toujours trop ! C'était en été, mais à part les produits saisonniers comme les melons, je pense que ça ne doit pas énormément changer.
Pas de souvenir précis, d'autant plus que je n'ai pas été beaucoup dans le wagon-restaurant. Service standard, convenable, semble-t-il. Il y avait toujours beaucoup de bonnes choses à acheter sur les quais au passage : beaucoup mieux ! On partage entre voisins, et il y en a toujours trop ! C'était en été, mais à part les produits saisonniers comme les melons, je pense que ça ne doit pas énormément changer.
Je vous fais parvenir mes impressions transmises à Opaï...
Me voici de retour après un voyage extraordinaire : le trajet Moscou-Tachkent en train ainsi qu’un séjour en Ouzbékistan. Comme convenu je vous envoie quelques informations sur le voyage en train. Sommes partie de Moscou un samedi soir à 23h15. Durée prévue du trajet : 69 heures ; avons mis 75 heures en raison de longs contrôles douaniers. Notre wagon était composé de compartiments de 4 couchettes auxquelles faisaient face 2 couchettes séparées par le couloir. Les bagages étaient stockés sous la couchette du bas ainsi que sur une planche située au-dessus des couchettes. Il n’y avait pas de wagon-restaurant, et nous avions fait quelques provisions en vue des 3 jours de voyage. A bord du train il était possible d’acheter divers produits alimentaires ainsi qu’aux haltes dans les différentes gares. Toute la journée des marchands circulent et proposent pain (none), saucisses, raviolis, eau et autres boissons généralement gazeuses, ainsi que gadgets, textiles en tous genre… Compte tenu de la saison, -28°C voire -30°C degrés en traversant le Kazakhstan, les gares n’étaient pas bondées de marchands. Les paiements s’effectuent en roubles. Prévoir une tasse, du thé ou autre, l’eau chaude étant à disposition dans des samovars. Emporter un couvert : nous avons ainsi pu goûter du plov, plat national ouzbèk. Penser au papier toilette non fourni, aux lingettes nettoyantes aussi. Par chance nous avions prévu le sac de couchage, car après un jour de voyage le chauffage est tombé en panne. Nous étions entourés en majorité d’ouzbèks et avons très vite sympathisé. La chaleur de nos relations a relégué au second plan les dures conditions de voyage liées surtout au froid et à la saleté (cafards, WC dégoûtants…) Ce train est un peu comme un état, avec ses dirigeants, ses passagers officiels et puis les autres, ses lois, ses règles dures, auxquelles chacun doit se soumettre. Tout se paie, tout a un prix… C’est la débrouille… La tension est à son maximum au moment des contrôles douaniers…Cours des monnaies lors du voyage : 1 € = 34 roubles 1 € = 1500 soms 1 $ = 25 roubles 1 $ = 1250 soms 1 rouble = 46 somsVoici quelques informations supplémentaires. Mon voyage a été organisé par mon professeur de peinture, nous étions 32 participants. Pour les réservations et notamment le billet de train il a fait appel à une agence spécialisée dans l’organisation de circuits en Ouzbékistan et en Asie centrale dont voici les coordonnées : Megatour Gulbara KARIMBAEVA Directrice (francophone) Bureau : 122/1 rue H. Abdullaev, 124 700125 Tachkent Ouzbékistan E-mail : megatour@mail.com
Prix du billet : environ 150 euros, je n’ai pas le montant exact.
Pour ce qui concerne les visas, c’est encore mon professeur qui s’est chargé des démarches pour le groupe en se déplaçant lui-même dans les différentes ambassades présentes à Bruxelles. Il a fallu une semaine pour obtenir les 3 documents (2 jours par visa environ). Visa pour la Russie type transit : 72€ Visa pour le Kazakhstan type transit: 16€ Visa pour l’Ouzbékistan : 16€
Bons préparatifs à vous et bons voyages…
Me voici de retour après un voyage extraordinaire : le trajet Moscou-Tachkent en train ainsi qu’un séjour en Ouzbékistan. Comme convenu je vous envoie quelques informations sur le voyage en train. Sommes partie de Moscou un samedi soir à 23h15. Durée prévue du trajet : 69 heures ; avons mis 75 heures en raison de longs contrôles douaniers. Notre wagon était composé de compartiments de 4 couchettes auxquelles faisaient face 2 couchettes séparées par le couloir. Les bagages étaient stockés sous la couchette du bas ainsi que sur une planche située au-dessus des couchettes. Il n’y avait pas de wagon-restaurant, et nous avions fait quelques provisions en vue des 3 jours de voyage. A bord du train il était possible d’acheter divers produits alimentaires ainsi qu’aux haltes dans les différentes gares. Toute la journée des marchands circulent et proposent pain (none), saucisses, raviolis, eau et autres boissons généralement gazeuses, ainsi que gadgets, textiles en tous genre… Compte tenu de la saison, -28°C voire -30°C degrés en traversant le Kazakhstan, les gares n’étaient pas bondées de marchands. Les paiements s’effectuent en roubles. Prévoir une tasse, du thé ou autre, l’eau chaude étant à disposition dans des samovars. Emporter un couvert : nous avons ainsi pu goûter du plov, plat national ouzbèk. Penser au papier toilette non fourni, aux lingettes nettoyantes aussi. Par chance nous avions prévu le sac de couchage, car après un jour de voyage le chauffage est tombé en panne. Nous étions entourés en majorité d’ouzbèks et avons très vite sympathisé. La chaleur de nos relations a relégué au second plan les dures conditions de voyage liées surtout au froid et à la saleté (cafards, WC dégoûtants…) Ce train est un peu comme un état, avec ses dirigeants, ses passagers officiels et puis les autres, ses lois, ses règles dures, auxquelles chacun doit se soumettre. Tout se paie, tout a un prix… C’est la débrouille… La tension est à son maximum au moment des contrôles douaniers…Cours des monnaies lors du voyage : 1 € = 34 roubles 1 € = 1500 soms 1 $ = 25 roubles 1 $ = 1250 soms 1 rouble = 46 somsVoici quelques informations supplémentaires. Mon voyage a été organisé par mon professeur de peinture, nous étions 32 participants. Pour les réservations et notamment le billet de train il a fait appel à une agence spécialisée dans l’organisation de circuits en Ouzbékistan et en Asie centrale dont voici les coordonnées : Megatour Gulbara KARIMBAEVA Directrice (francophone) Bureau : 122/1 rue H. Abdullaev, 124 700125 Tachkent Ouzbékistan E-mail : megatour@mail.com
Prix du billet : environ 150 euros, je n’ai pas le montant exact.
Pour ce qui concerne les visas, c’est encore mon professeur qui s’est chargé des démarches pour le groupe en se déplaçant lui-même dans les différentes ambassades présentes à Bruxelles. Il a fallu une semaine pour obtenir les 3 documents (2 jours par visa environ). Visa pour la Russie type transit : 72€ Visa pour le Kazakhstan type transit: 16€ Visa pour l’Ouzbékistan : 16€
Bons préparatifs à vous et bons voyages…
Me voilà de retour de Colmar (Alsace) - Samarcande en train...
S'il y a besoin de renseignements, n'hésitez pas! J'ai fait le voyage assez vite : escale à Minsk, Moscou puis direct Moscou-Tashkent. Un beau moyen de se rendre progressivement en Asie centrale tout en évitant l'effet téléportation de l'avion!
S'il y a besoin de renseignements, n'hésitez pas! J'ai fait le voyage assez vite : escale à Minsk, Moscou puis direct Moscou-Tashkent. Un beau moyen de se rendre progressivement en Asie centrale tout en évitant l'effet téléportation de l'avion!
bonjour,
je rejoint cet été bishkek en train depuis moscou, et je cherche le prix du billet
donc voila en cherchant sur plusieurs site d'agence russe j'ai trouvé des billets au minimum à 120 euros, donc tu peu me confirmer que le prix de 1000 roubles (= 27 euros) en platzkarte et 1500 roubles en scd classe est le prix que tu payé sur place? Les agence prennent une si grosse comission ? Est ce qu'il est possible d'acheter directement des billet sur place ou il faut vraiment s'y prendre à l'avance (je compte prendre un visa transit depuis moscou donc j'ai un peu peur nivo timing) Sinon est-ce qu'il existe une agence qui propose des prix correct pour ce billet ? merci bcp
je rejoint cet été bishkek en train depuis moscou, et je cherche le prix du billet
donc voila en cherchant sur plusieurs site d'agence russe j'ai trouvé des billets au minimum à 120 euros, donc tu peu me confirmer que le prix de 1000 roubles (= 27 euros) en platzkarte et 1500 roubles en scd classe est le prix que tu payé sur place? Les agence prennent une si grosse comission ? Est ce qu'il est possible d'acheter directement des billet sur place ou il faut vraiment s'y prendre à l'avance (je compte prendre un visa transit depuis moscou donc j'ai un peu peur nivo timing) Sinon est-ce qu'il existe une agence qui propose des prix correct pour ce billet ? merci bcp
Voyage en Inde du nord 2007 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/48563735@N03/sets/72157623656050808/
Photos kirghiztan 2008 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/48563735@N03/sets/72157623656346596/
Photos kirghiztan 2008 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/48563735@N03/sets/72157623656346596/
Lisez bien le message, s'il vous plaît.
C'était mille roubles jusqu'à Ilek en été 2006. Ça veut dire évidemment beaucoup plus jusqu'au bout ! De plus, les prix ont augmenté sensiblement depuis.
Pour les délais actuels, j'ignore tout, mais si j'étais à votre place, je prendrais le risque, sachant qu'un refus de vente de billet est une raison de force majeure autorisant la prolongation du visa de transit.
merci pour la précision
je me disais bien que la difference était trop importante, du coup est-ce quelqun connait le prix en payant sur place moscou-bishkek?
merci
Voyage en Inde du nord 2007 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/48563735@N03/sets/72157623656050808/
Photos kirghiztan 2008 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/48563735@N03/sets/72157623656346596/
Photos kirghiztan 2008 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/48563735@N03/sets/72157623656346596/
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Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)