Je me projette déjà en 2020 ayant préparé et réservé mon séjour en septembre 2019.
Nous commençons à un peu connaitre l'Afrique australe après avoir découvert l'Afrique de l'Est : Tanzanie (2012), Kenya (2013), Afrique du Sud (2015), Namibie (2017), Botswana et Zambezi en Namibie à venir en septembre 2019.
Nous sommes un couple entre 50 et 60 ans qui aimons voyager seuls mais qui adorons préparer nos voyages en amont. Ce site et vous tous, êtes une mine d'informations et un régal des yeux à vous lire. Un appel incessant aux voyages.
J’ai lu que la côte ouest de l’Afrique du Sud avait beaucoup de charmes. Nous connaissons la route des Jardins au départ du Cap (ville que nous avons beaucoup apprécié mais visité trop rapidement en 2015).
Alors à partir de certains de vos périples, j’ai étudié ce parcours qui se ferait possiblement en septembre 2020 :
J0 départ avion
J1 arrivée au Cap
J2 Le Cap
J3 Le Cap
J4 Mount Ceder
J5 Niewoudtville
J6 Augrabies Falls
J7 Augrabies Falls
J8 KTP Twee Rivieren
J9 KTP Nossob
J10 KTP Mata Mata
J11 KTP Mata Mata
J12 KEETMANSHOOP
J13 Fish River Canyon
J14 Fish River Canyon
J15. Aussenkehr/Noordoewer
J16 Springbok
J17 Kamieskroon Skilpad
J18 Cape Columbine
J19 départ du Cap en fin de journée
Qu’en pensez-vous ? Merci d’avance pour vos éclairages et vos retours.
Bonne journée à tous
Loïc
C'est tip top!
Si vous avez un 4x4, après Kamieskroon ne manquez pas la partie côtière du Namaqua NP et restez ensuite au plus près de la côte, dans le sable. Il n'est plus guère de régions au monde où c'est possible.
Bonjour et merci Jean-Luc pour votre conseil d'avoir un 4*4 que j'avais effectivement envisagé dès le départ.
Est-ce que 4 jours dans le KTP est suffisant ou faut-il passer plus de temps? Si oui que voir de plus sachant que nous envisageons durant ce voyage de dormir que dans du dur et les possibilités dans le KTP ne sont pas infinis?
N'hésitez pas à nous faire des suggestions.
merci d'avance.
Très belle journée
Selon moi, vous pourriez ne passer que trois jours au KTP et consacrer le quatrième au Richtersveld, puis que vous aurez un 4x4.
Tu évoques Aussenker et j'en déduisais que tu passerais par la rive droite du Fish River Canyon pour revenir à Springbok. Je recommande vivement la rive droite, bien moins courue. Ce que vous pourriez envisager :
J6 Augrabies Falls
J7 Augrabies Falls
J8 KTP Twee Rivieren
J9 KTP Nossob
J10 KTP Mata Mata
J11 Keetmanshoop
J12 Fish River Canyon, rive gauche
J13 Fish River Canyon, rive droite (ou encore rive gauche sans changer J14, via Aussenker)
J14 Richtersveld NP (entrée en Afrique du Sud par le bac de Sendelingsdrif)
J15. Namaqua NP, partie continentale (en quittant le Richtersveld par les terres communautaires au sud)
J16 Hondklip Bay puis Namaqua Coastal NP (seulement du camping mais un lodge privé juste avant; bons hébergements à Hondeklip également)
J17 Pistes côtières jusqu'à Lamberts Bay
J18 Cape Columbine
Bon, moi, après les interventions de Mme Attila et de Voyajou...
Je vais me contenter de dire que le parcours est alléchant.
Content de voir Cape Columbine (septembre, penser au West Coast NP), Mount Ceder, Augrabies...
Le long de l'Orange, côté Est (la droite, la gauche ? de comme on est tourné ça change tout le temps!)...Felix Unit (qui tourne à l'heure sudaf, ne pas oublier) et le Norotshama...
Je suis honoré de voir autant de piliers de voyage forum sur la partie Afrique australe (que j'ai le plaisir de lire habituellement) intervenir dans ma discussion.
Je vais devoir faire attention à mes réponses.
Une remarque préliminaire j'ai déjà conduit un 4x4 un Toyota Hilux en Namibie sur quelques milliers de km cela ne fait pas de moi un pilote aguerri. J'ai même eu le droit de m'ensabler à Sossusvlei.
Donc je suis obligé de prendre en compte ce côté novice dans vos suggestions.
Je vous remercie pour vos suggestions.
Bon week-end de Pâques
Loïc
- Deux jours au Cap, c'est peu mais si vous y êtes déjà allés ?
- Par contre, un seul dans le Cederberg, me semble très juste car cette région est vraiment magnifique. Mount Ceder est un superbe endroit mais pas le mieux situé pour les randonnées les plus célèbres telles Woflberg Cracks/Arch, Maltese Cross, Tafelberg et j'en passe. Lui préférer Driehoek ou Sanddrif. Dans le secteur, ne pas manquer les fantastiques rochers de Stadsaal (quelques heures de flânerie inoubliables).
-La floraison du Namaqualand est un phénomène hors du commun qui mérite qu'on y musarde, à Skilpad, sur la Côte mais aussi à l'extérieur du parc vers Klein Nourivier (à l'est de Kamieskroon) et un lieu superbe appelé Pedroskloof. Fin août /début septembre est la meilleure période, en général, pour voir les fleurs dans toute leur splendeur. Il est donc préférable d'aller au Namaqualand au début de ton périple plutôt qu'à la fin.
Nieuwoudtville est sympa mais on peut faire l'impasse tellement le projet est riche.
- Augrabies Falls NP est sur la route de Kgalagadi. Les chutes ne seront pas au top mais restent spectaculaires. Une petite balade appelée "Dassie Trail" (une matinée) te permettra de longer les gorges jusqu'à Arrow Point et Twin Falls. Gorge cottage (2 personnes seulement) est un logement hors du commun par sa situation sous le belvédère d'Oranjekom (réserver longtemps à l'avance) à quelques mètres des gorges.
- Pas facile de faire un choix au KTP, tellement ce parc est magique. Pour être allé un peu partout dans la partie sud-africaine, c'est Gharagab que j'ai préféré. Il te reste assez de temps pour réserver. Le chemin est long, pas facile mais le site est inoubliable, de plus tu ne croiseras personne sur la piste car elle est au bout du monde, en sens unique et réservée à la douzaine de privilégiés qui y logeront. 4 jours ne semblent pas de trop.
Kalahari Tented Camp est bien sûr plus sympa que Mata-Mata.
- Keetmanshoop : peu d'intérêt sinon pour y faire étape, des courses et le plein. Dans ce cas lui préférer Quiver Tree Rest Camp /Mesosaurus.
On peut et contrairement à ma "devise" sacrifier une journée à la route et joindre KTP à Fish River Canyon dans la journée, sans oublier la prudence.
- Fish River Canyon : rive droite ou gauche. Pour la première, le FRC Lodge (à réserver dès que possible) est remarquablement construit sur le bord du canyon, de là, on peut descendre au fond. Pour le second, on ne loge pas au bord du vide mais à 12 km au camping de Hobas et on ne descend que si on entreprend le trek de 5/6 jours. Si tu ne randonnes pas, tu devras te contenter du Main View Point et de quelques points de vue en amont et en aval : c'est grandiose. Une journée peut suffire, sans se presser.
- Pas trop le choix pour retourner en RSA, sinon la C37 qui conduit à Aussenkehr, puis la D212 jusqu'à Noordoewer. Si tu avais un peu de temps, tu pourrais prendre cette dernière en sens inverse (c'est très beau), longer l'Orange jusqu'à Sendelingsdriff, traverser le fleuve sur le bac et pénétrer dans l'un des plus sauvages parcs du pays, le Richtersveld. Prévoir deux à trois jours au minimum.
Je crois que là, on est hors délai !!
- Cape Columbine est un très joli bord de mer. Belle balade sur la côte sauvage.
Voilà quelques idées qui se recoupent un peu avec celles des spécialistes du secteur. Je pense que 19 jours ne seront pas suffisants pour profiter de toutes ces belles régions.
Merci pour tous ces précieux conseils.
Passer 1 jour de plus au Cap est tout à fait envisageable car nous n'avons pas eu la chance en 2015 de grimper à Table mountain (téléphérique fermé à cause du vent).
Pour connaitre les difficultés de réservation dans cette partie de l'Afrique, je vais dès que possible les commencer. Ce sont ces dernières qui vont probablement conditionner le circuit définitif.
Nous connaissons Keetmanshoop et sa Quiver tree forest donc on peut envisager cette impasse mais cela fera une grosse journée de route pour atteindre la FRC. Pourquoi pas?
J'aimerais me faire plaisir et loger au Fish River lodge qui est à l'Est.
Une question : comment est la piste pour aller du Fish River lodge vers Rosh Pinah c'est à dire la D463 car j'ai l'impression qu'il faut descendre dans le canyon???? Réalisable pour un novice en 4x4?
Au fur et à mesure du montage de ce projet pour septembre 2020, je reviendrai vers vous car vos riches expériences nous seront profitables.
Bon weekend de Päques
Loïc
Bonjour,
Je me permets de répondre car nous étions au FRC en octobre dernier.
L’emplacement de ce Lodge est fabuleux, on aperçoit le canyon depuis son lit!
C’est un très beau Lodge, magnifique étape à tous points de vue.
Non! Personne ne descend au fond du canyon avec sa voiture!
Par contre, le Lodge organise une excursion en 4x4 ( day trip, de 7h à 14h) avec picnic et baignade au fond du canyon, qui vaut le coup ne serait-ce que par le trajet et la conduite sur des pistes caillouteuses impressionnantes! Un grand moment! Leurs chauffeurs sont doués ( et très sympas).
La piste qui rejoint Rosh Pinah longe le canyon ( en haut), elle est tout à fait faisable à la saison sèche ( mais attention, si jamais il a plu car il y a des lits de ruisseaux à traverser, normalement c’est sec, mais cela pose problème si les ruisseaux se transforment en torrents). Normalement en septembre c’est bon...
Cordialement,
Chris
"Alors, t'as fait un beau voyage?
Je sais pas, j'ai pas fini de trier mes photos..."
Titaille a répondu à tes attentes concernant Fish River Canyon (à ne pas manquer).
La rando dans le canyon est un grand moment mais il faut un peu de temps et de forme !
Sommes allés dans ce secteur plusieurs fois en septembre sans rencontrer trop de monde ni de difficultés sur les pistes (les capacités des voitures sont bien supérieures à celles des chauffeurs, même des plus aguerris, le sable mou et profond, restant pour moi l'une des principales difficultés: il y en a un peu du côté de Gharagab, mais ça passe).
Vous me confirmer que la floraison est maximale en septembre dans cette partie de l'Afrique du Sud car c'est aussi une très belle raison de visiter ce coin?
Loïc
Donc je suis obligé de prendre en compte ce côté novice dans vos suggestions.
Le richtersveld n'est pas très compliqué si on évite les pistes le long et dans le lit des rivières.
Gharagab et bitterpan sont plus corsées.
Mais il est possible d'éviter la difficulté en ne prenant que la piste d'entrée pour gharagab et en allant à Bitterpan via la piste qui part de la transversale.
Dans un parcours déjà kilométrique, je n'irais pas à gharagab qui se situe en impasse au fin fond du parc.
Il faut la journée pour y parvenir depuis twee rivieren ou kieliekrankie.
Si tu choisis tout de même cette option, gharagab sera à programmer en deuxième nuit.
Puis nossob puis mata mata ou ktc.
Tu peux rejoindre facilement fish depuis mata mata . Une nuit de gagnée.
S'y prendre de bonne heure pour les réservations est nécessaire dans les coins "hors normes" tels Fish River Lodge, Gorge Corner à Augrabies ou tous les camps secondaires du KTP, sans oublier le Namaqualand pendant la floraison. Ailleurs, cela devrait être plus tranquille, surtout si tu voyages en mode camping-lodge : il faut laisser un peu de place à l'imprévu !
C'est ce que nous avions fait en 2011 et en 2016 sans rencontrer de problème.
Au Cap, il est conseillé de surveiller la météo et donner priorité à la montée sur la Table car le temps est assez changeant. En 2011, nous avons attendu le quatrième jour pour le téléphérique en raison de fort vent. Belle balade sur le sommet et agréable descente.
Gharagab est effectivement très éloigné mais quel atmosphère ?
En 2016, une seule possibilité pour rejoindre Bitterpan par la piste en sens unique au départ de Nossob, le second accès vers Moravet étant fermé aux touristes. On ressort ensuite au sud de Mata-Mata, toujours en sens unique. Cette piste était très très difficile en février 2018.
Bonjour,
A propos du KTP : Encore d'accord avec Attila.
Par contre, nous avons regretté de ne passer qu'une seule nuit à Nossob, faute d'avoir pu réserver une 2e nuit (c'était complet 1 an à l'avance et il a fallu jongler en modifiant notre projet). Il y a beaucoup à voir dans le coin...
Pour Bitterpan, nous avons fait la piste au départ de Nossob, bien sûr, après contrôle de la voiture et validation par le ranger de service à la gate.
Pas de problème majeur avec un solide 4x4 comme le Hilux, nous avons fait les 53 km en 2h30 jusqu'à Bitterpan. Nous ne sommes pas des pros du 4x4 ni de la conduite sur sable, mais nous le referions sans problème.
C'est du sable, une piste One Way avec des ornières conséquentes (le fameux "massage africain") par endroits. Une succession de dunes à franchir... une petite minorité ne sont pas pas faciles, quand on reste scotchés dans un bac à sable juste avant d'atteindre le sommet. Plouf! Ces endroits sont faciles à repérer, on voit la piste partir en éventail, signe des nombreuses tentatives des voyageurs précédents. La recette consiste à prendre assez de recul en partant d'assez loin, et assez de vitesse, en choisissant une des pistes latérales, en "fonçant" (à 60 km/h) en cramponnant le volant... Normalement ça passe. Mais il nous a fallu quelques tâtonnements pour trouver la clé.
La lendemain, nous avons trouvé la 2e partie plus facile.
En revanche, nous n'avons pas vu beaucoup d'animaux dans le secteur de Bitterpan lors de notre passage. Le souvenir reste néanmoins magique, tant par le trajet que par l'ambiance des 4 chalets perdus au milieu de nulle part!
Il faut voir ce que vous pouvez réserver... et vous vous adaptez!
Pour le FRC :
(Désolée pour la qualité des photos, je n'ai pas un matériel de pro).
Cordialement,
Chris
"Alors, t'as fait un beau voyage?
Je sais pas, j'ai pas fini de trier mes photos..."
Et même en réservant en octobre 2017 c'était tendu, même pour Fish river Canyon!
Je n'avais pas rencontré de telles difficultés pour mes 2 voyages précédents (2015 et 2016).
Je pense que ça s'aggrave au fil des années!
J'ai été obligée de modifier plusieurs fois mon itinéraire, ainsi que mes choix d'hébergements au KTP (Tous les Wilderness étaient complets sauf K Tented Camp).
Donc... s'y prendre très tôt devient vraiment indispensable.
Bon WE à tous!
(Vers Bitterpan)
Chris
"Alors, t'as fait un beau voyage?
Je sais pas, j'ai pas fini de trier mes photos..."
Je suis toujours dans la préparation de mon voyage que j'affine en fonction des cosneils et lectures.
En septembre 2015, lorsque nous avions fait notre 1er séjour en Afrique du Sud, nous avions séjourné 1 nuit à Hermanus pour ne voir aucune baleine!
Nous aimerions en voir en septembre 2020 mais sans forcément séjourner à Hermanus. En fait je cherche un site qui informerait en temps réel sur la présence ou non de baleines à Hermanus ou ailleurs sur la côte comme Gordon's bay. Si annonce de baleines on saute dans la voiture et on part du Cap vers le lieu indiqué.
Réaliste ou non mon truc?
Bon dimance
Bonsoir, bonsoir,
Cela fait plus de 15 ans que je sillonne le Kgalagadi…
Gharagab, ou Grootkolk, sont les meilleures options, selon moi. A Grootkolk il est pratiquement impossible de trouver une nuit, à Ghraragab c'est un peu plus facile.
La piste de sable qui mène à Gharagab (de Grootkolk) est (était) en très bon état, pour le retour (à Nossob) il y a juste une des dernières dunes qui fait de la "résistance". Je parts toujours seule et je suis toujours rentrée à bon port, mais pas à 60 km/h 🏴☠️… 50 maximum et attention aux animaux sur la bosse de la dune ! Ces derniers temps il y a eu deux ou trois fois des Lycaons sur la piste de Gharagab. Ils viennent du Botswana… avec un peu de chance un jour ils s'installeront 😛
Il faut absolument penser à dégonfler les pneus pour rouler dans le sable.
Kieliekrankie est superbe, mais le waterhole est un peu loin (il y a deux résidents, une Léoparde et une Hyène brune), comme au Kalahari Tented Camp (KTC) d'ailleurs et ils sont aussi plus faciles à réserver. En lieu et place je préférerais Urikaruus, qui comme Grootkolk est un bijou ! mais faut s'y prendre le jour de l'ouverture des réservations (un an à l'avance).
Mata Mata est plus cher que KTC mais il y a l'électricité… pour recharger le materiel et l'aircon jusqu'à 22h ce qui peut être bien agréable.
Il y a deux sorties de Bitterpan, une arrive près de Moravet et l'autre à Craig Lockardt, à quelques km de KTC (ou de Mata Mata)
J'ai plus de renseignements si nécessaire… mmm je me réjouis d'avoir un nouveau carnet à suivre au Kgalagadi 😎
De retour parmi vous.
Grâce à vos conseils et à Vincent BECCARO que certains d'entre vous connaissent, j'ai bouclé mon projet 2020 Ouest de l'Afrique du Sud et Sud Namibie.
Voli notre parcours à mon épouse et moi :
4 nuits au Cap : pour poursuivre ce que nous n'avions pas vu en 2015
1 nuit à Paternoster : Visite de la Réserve Naturelle de Cape Columbine-West coast national park
2 nuits dans le Cederberg
2 nuits dans le Namaqua land
1 nuit au bord de la rivière Orange
2 nuits au Fish river lodge
1 nuit au Kalahari game lodge
4 nuits dans le KTP (2 nuits dans la partie privée + 2 nuits)
1 nuit au chutes d'Augrabies
On prendra un avion à Upigton pour Jobourg et retour France.
Une question : je cherche des infos sur la visite du Namaqualand (circuit? plan?)
Merci et bon weekend ensoleillé. Et bonnes fêtes à toutes les mamans du forum.
Loïc
Une question : je cherche des infos sur la visite du Namaqualand (circuit? plan?)
Puisque vous aurez un 4x4, ne pas manquer la partie Namaqua Coastal NP.
Prévoir une halte à Hondeklip Bay.
Rouler au hasard des gravel roads du Namaqua intérieur
Je ne sais pas ce que conseille Vincent (il se fait rare par ici) mais entre le Namaqua et le Fish River Lodge, je passerais par Port Nolloth et le Richtersveld puis par le bac de Sendelingsdrif quitte à enlever une nuit au Namaqua, plutôt que via Springbok et Vioolsdrif.
Salut Simon,
Intéressante ton annonce ! Et qui collerait peut être avec ce pourquoi je pars vivre en Namibie justement :)
(Voir mon annonce sur le Routard.com (newwateur) intitulée "road trip en Namibie, Afr du S, Botswana etc"
Tu serais seul? Tes dates sont déjà arrêtées ?
À bientôt peut-être
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March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!