Merci d'avance pour vos réponses! Julie
Quelle tente pour un voyage de cinq mois en Amérique du Sud?
by Juju1130
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous!
Je prépare actuellement un voyage de plusieurs mois en Amérique du Sud (Argentine, Chili, Pérou et +/-Bolivie), départ mi-novembre. Il me manque plus que la tente et le tapis de sol à acheter, mais devant la quantité de modèles différents, je sais pas trop quoi choisir... Sachant que je vais faire la patagonie (apparemment vent ++), et des treks en montagne (mais pas des sommets à 5000 non plus...), mais aussi du wwoofing, couchsurfing, donc je ne camperai pas tous les jours, que me conseillez-vous? Faut savoir aussi que même si c pas mon premier voyage, ce sera une première expérience de voyage à pied (enfin pas que au vu des distances, mais pas mal quand même), donc je voudrais pas non plus y laisser un bras si je ne dois jamais m'en resservir!
J'ai regardé les basiques à décath et intersport, sur le site du vieux campeur aussi, mais y a vraiment tous les prix...
Donc en gros ma question est: quelles sont les caractéristiques indispensables que doit avoir ma tente, et tout ça pour un budget (très) raisonnable???
Pour le tapis de sol, autogonflant, c mieux??
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses! Julie
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses! Julie
L'avenir appartient à ceux qui rêvent trop
Bonjour,
Je suis allé en Patagonie en début d'année et je me suis inquiété aussi du vent. J'ai donc acheté une Solar Competition 2 d'occasion (car neuf, ça coûte un bras) : http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/solar-competition-2-tent/
Elle est ultra light, résistante et imperméable. Elle est annoncée deux places mais en fait, c'est une grande 1 place.
Maintenant, j'y suis allé avec mon père qui ne voulait pas faire l'investissement et qui est donc parti avec sa lightent Ferrino 1 : http://www.auvieuxcampeur.fr/terre/tente/randonnee-legere/rando-legere-1-place/lightent-1.html
Il n'a eu aucun problème niveau froid car il a privilégié les sous-vêtements thermiques. Pour la résistance au vent, aucun problème !
En réalité, le choix de l'emplacement de la tente est primordiale : il faut éviter de se mettre au milieu de la prairie...
Sur ce site : http://www.randonner-leger.org/wiki/doku.php?id=accueil, tu pourras trouver toutes les infos dont tu as besoin.
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Je suis allé en Patagonie en début d'année et je me suis inquiété aussi du vent. J'ai donc acheté une Solar Competition 2 d'occasion (car neuf, ça coûte un bras) : http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/solar-competition-2-tent/
Elle est ultra light, résistante et imperméable. Elle est annoncée deux places mais en fait, c'est une grande 1 place.
Maintenant, j'y suis allé avec mon père qui ne voulait pas faire l'investissement et qui est donc parti avec sa lightent Ferrino 1 : http://www.auvieuxcampeur.fr/terre/tente/randonnee-legere/rando-legere-1-place/lightent-1.html
Il n'a eu aucun problème niveau froid car il a privilégié les sous-vêtements thermiques. Pour la résistance au vent, aucun problème !
En réalité, le choix de l'emplacement de la tente est primordiale : il faut éviter de se mettre au milieu de la prairie...
Sur ce site : http://www.randonner-leger.org/wiki/doku.php?id=accueil, tu pourras trouver toutes les infos dont tu as besoin.
a+
bonsoir Juju,
Sur place dans un magasin de sport ou centre commercial à BA ou au chili tu trouveras des tentes de la marque chilienne DOITE, il y a tous les modeles du 4 saisons à l'ultra leger. C'est du bon matos et c'est moins cher que chez nous. Toutes les agences locales la-bas sont equipees dans cette marque sans probleme. Le top ce sont les 4 saisons pour du bivouac en altitude, et c'est costaud, mais c'est lourd. Sinon ils font une ultra legere qui ne me parait pas mal. Tu peux aller sur leur site. Ils ne vendent pas en france et de memoire ils ne doivent avoir un revendeur qu'en Norvege.
En espagnol TENTE, c'est TIENDA.
En esperant t'avoir repondu, bye
Merci pour vos réponses! Je me suis finalement décidée pour la spectre 2 de Ferrino, j'espère que ça ira!
Et merci pour le lien pour le site randonner léger, très intéressant!
Julie
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salut la patagonie m'est apparue comme encore un endroit tellement sauvage et (encore) préservé , liberté et terre sauvage : une tente premier rapport qualité prix t'ira très bien , sache qu'il est difficile de trouver des endroits secs et non privés , achete le rechaud la ba , les cartouches ne correspondent pas , bye
peace
Bonjour,
j'ai lu votre discussion à propos des tentes, et j'aimerais savoir si cela veut dire que vous avez fait du camping sauvage en Amérique du Sud? Est-ce que c'est faisable ou il vaut mieux être dans un "vrai" camping en tout temps (question sécurité)?
Merci!!
Florence :)
Je prépare également un voyage en Amérique Latine, et j'avais effectué de nombreuses recherches en vain pour savoir ce qu'il en été du camping dans cette zone. Et après m'être fais renseigné par des voyageurs ayant bivouaqué avec leur matériel tout au long de la route, j'ai opté pour l'achat d'un Hamac + Moustiquaire et une Tarp pour les zones chaudes.( pas en altitude!) Ils demandaient aux auberges de pouvoir accrocher leur hamac dans leur espace outdoor, et négociais ça plus les commodités (douches, ptit dej) pour 1 à 2€. Sinon ils demandaient aux habitants de s'installer dans leur jardin. Mais ils m'ont déconseillés de faire sa à la sauvage sur un terrain public, mise à part quelques parcs et bords de plages plus ou moins safe.
Je sais pas si ça peu t'aider mais j'ai été content d'avoir des renseignement alors je t'en fais profiter. Si des gens ici ont des conseils et des avis, c’est volontiers !!
Je sais pas si ça peu t'aider mais j'ai été content d'avoir des renseignement alors je t'en fais profiter. Si des gens ici ont des conseils et des avis, c’est volontiers !!
« Dans 20 ans, vous serez plus déçu par ces choses que vous n’avez pas faites que par celles que vous avez faites. Alors larguez les amarres. Mettez les voiles et sortez du port ô combien sécurisant. Explorez. Rêvez." Mark Twain
En espagnol TENTE, c'est TIENDA.
"Carpa" plutôt ... "tienda" ça veut dire "magasin".
"Carpa" plutôt ... "tienda" ça veut dire "magasin".
7 ans en Argentine / 13 ans au Chili.
Pour votre séjour a Santiago :
https://voyageforum.com/forum/location-superbe-appartement-en-plein-coeur-santiago-d10759186/
oui ou bien "Campana" mais on peut toujours dire "Tienda".
En Argentine, nombreux campings. Au Chili et en Argentine, aussi camping dans les parcs nationaux ... (souvent aucun autre hebergement). Perou, Bolivie, Equateur: seulement en rando dans les Andes.
Salut Florence!
On n'a finalement pas fait bcp de camping sauvage...
Mais j'ai rencontré des gens qui voyageaient à vélo et en faisaient sans pb.
On a plus dormi à l'arrache dans des terminaux de bus ou autre, mais à l'intérieur.
Le hamac ça me parait léger quand même, enfin dans le nord sans pb, mais en patagonie ça caille, il y a du vent +++, un abri au moins type tente me parait indispensable, même pendant l'été austral.
En espérant t'avoir été utile!
Julie
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Bonjour,
Le principal pour une tente quand vous voyagez aussi longtemps et qu'elle soit compact et légère car vous allez la porter tout le temps. On peut trouver des 1 er prix intéressant pour une personne à intersport.
Prévoir un bon sac de couchage aussi et comme précisé au dessus, réchaud si vous êtes coincé en plein milieu de nulle part. Le réchaud vous pouvez l'acheter sur place avec les recharges mais pour la tente, il est préférable je pense de l'acheter avant de partir car si vous ne trouvez rien qui vous convient sur place ou au prix qui vous convient ca risque d'être embêtant !
Francois
Le principal pour une tente quand vous voyagez aussi longtemps et qu'elle soit compact et légère car vous allez la porter tout le temps. On peut trouver des 1 er prix intéressant pour une personne à intersport.
Prévoir un bon sac de couchage aussi et comme précisé au dessus, réchaud si vous êtes coincé en plein milieu de nulle part. Le réchaud vous pouvez l'acheter sur place avec les recharges mais pour la tente, il est préférable je pense de l'acheter avant de partir car si vous ne trouvez rien qui vous convient sur place ou au prix qui vous convient ca risque d'être embêtant !
Francois
Salut! J'ai trouvé que c'était un bon rapport qualité prix
Ses + : légère, prends peu de place, facile à monter et à peu près à plier, solide, de la place pour les sacs ds les absides si vous êtes 2, parfaitement étanche (testée à moulte reprises!!)
Ses - : pas autoportante donc compliquée à planter si sable ou sol très dur vu que c'est la tension qui la fait tenir debout, double toit en chambre non solidarisées donc si tu la monte sous la pluie, c'est trempé dedans vu que la chambre est en moustiquaire.
Mais juillet aout c'est la saison seche, tu devrais pas trop être embêtée par ça.
Globalement j'en ai été plutôt contente, sauf pour bivouaquer sur la plage, mais j'avais réussi à la faire tenir en remplaçant les sardines par des grosses pierres.
Ah oui, et les sardines sont pas top non plus, j'avais fini par les changer...
J'espère avoir pu t'aider.
julie
L'avenir appartient à ceux qui rêvent trop
Hola, si je peux me permettre ... Vous êtes combien ? de grande taille ?
Cette tente n'est peut être pas le top si on randonne en autonomie, et si on recherche qqch de léger. Par exemple chez Tarptent, il y a des produits bien meilleurs et plus appropriés.
ciao
salut !
merci pour ta réponse
nous sommes 2, de petite taille :) nous cherchons donc quelque chose de léger, à un prix inférieur à 150e. il y a aussi la dolomite de jamet qui a l'air pas mal. mais si tu as une meilleure idée :)
autre question, nous partons en juillet aout donc en hiver là bas, apparemment la saison sèche, mais j'imagine qu'il doit y avoir de la neige en altitude quand même? beaucoup de trek passent à plus de 4000 5000 m...
Bonsoir Amezina.
Je vous demandait votre taille parce que les modèle Tarptent sont un peu courts parfois, mais c'est du très bon et léger.
Moins de 150€ vous aurez du mal à trouver qqch de léger. La Ferino devrait être dans ce qui se fait de moins cher mais c'est quand meme plus de 2kg, et il faut compter les sardines, haubans ... qui parfois ne sont pas compris dans le poids des fabriquant. Je n'ose donc meme pas vous parler de la Fly-Creek de chez Big Agnes. Mon avis est que c'est le poste sur lequel il ne faut pas lesiner si vous êtes autonome et si vous envisagez des bivouacs assez haut. Et plus bas ce sont les moustiques et les sand-flies ...
Une bonne tente peut élever jusqu'à 5º la temperature à l' intérieur sans qu'elle ne soit 4 saisons mais si elle est bien compacte. Une 4 saisons c'est vraiment très très lourd. En saison sêche, donc été pour nous, vous ne devriez même pas avoir un peu de grésil aux alentours des 4000m. La neige reste permanente vers 5000-5200m. Les lieux de bivouac sont dans les fonds de Quebrada où parfois il y a pas mal de vent dès midi, une sorte de vent thermique qui peut souffler à fond, mais je parle de la partie andine comme le Perou par exemple. Pour d'autres pays, d'autres vous conseilleront mieux que moi.
voilà si cela peut vous rendre les choses plus claires. Saludos
Une bonne tente peut élever jusqu'à 5º la temperature à l' intérieur sans qu'elle ne soit 4 saisons mais si elle est bien compacte. Une 4 saisons c'est vraiment très très lourd. En saison sêche, donc été pour nous, vous ne devriez même pas avoir un peu de grésil aux alentours des 4000m. La neige reste permanente vers 5000-5200m. Les lieux de bivouac sont dans les fonds de Quebrada où parfois il y a pas mal de vent dès midi, une sorte de vent thermique qui peut souffler à fond, mais je parle de la partie andine comme le Perou par exemple. Pour d'autres pays, d'autres vous conseilleront mieux que moi.
voilà si cela peut vous rendre les choses plus claires. Saludos
La mienne faisait 1.9kgs, tout compris, et assez compacte, elle prend peu de place ds le sac comparée à d'autres. C'est sûr c'est pas du haut de gamme, tu trouveras bcp mieux à plus cher, mais dans ce budget, je trouve que c'est pas mal.
L'avenir appartient à ceux qui rêvent trop
ola Juju,
Je ne connais pas bien la spectre 2. Son avantage quand on est pas très grand et comme elle "taille" petit, ça colle.
Je crois que la tente intérieure est en mesh, si cela est le cas, je ne pense pas qu'elle soit très adaptée pour l'altitude. De plus son mesh est-il fin, genre no-see-um ?
Alors là, j'en sais rien du tout, j'avais pas poussé mes investigations jusque là!
Je l'ai peu utilisée en très haute altitude, c vrai, seulement quelques fois, mais elle a bien tenu le coup. Le reste du temps, c'était plus bas.
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I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra