Comme nous devons partir au Portugal début septembre pour un séjour à Lisbonne et un autre à Porto, et que nous devrons couvrir par nous même la disatance entre Lisbonne et Porto (aller-retour), j'aimerai avoir des infos sur les trains entre Lisbonne et Porto (et Porto-Lisbonne).
Quelle est la gare à Lisbonne pour partir à Porto ?
Quelle est la gare de Porto pour partir à Lisbonne ?
Quels types de trains existent t-il ? (ordinaires, grandes vitesse, etc...)
Quelle est la durée du voyage ?
Quel est le coût d'un billet ? (aller ou retour)
Une réservation est-elle nécessaire ?
Merci à l'avance pour votre aide !! 😉
P.S. : en même temps nous sommes preneurs :
de toutes bonnes adresses (restos, bars, fado, boutiques + tout ce qui a un intérêt à se visiter dans ces 2 villes et aux abords) de tous conseils pratiques (vie au quotidien, météo...)
On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux ! (même si pour des voyageurs les yeux çà compte !!!)
Tout comme toi je suis en pleine préparation de mon voyage au Portugal. Je pars en effet dans quelques jours visiter Lisbonne puis me rendrai en train à Porto. Je pourrai peut-être t'aider davantage à mon retour fin juillet. En attendant, voici quelques d'infos que je peux d'ores et déjà te filer :
La gare de Lisbonne s'apelle Oriente et celle de Porto se nomme Campanha. Apparement d'après le site web des chemins de fer portugais (tu peux faire des simulations sur http://www.cp.pt mais c'est seulement en portugais...) il y à une bonne dizaine de Lisbonne-Porto (et vice versa je suppose) par jour. Le prix varie de 19, 50€ à 27, 50€ l'aller simple, pour environ 3 heures de trajet entre les 2 villes. Je n'ai pas fait de réservation, mais je présume qu'avec tant de trains quotidiennement il y aura de la place...
Sinon pour tous les bons plans sur place, je ne pourrai t'en faire part qu'à mon retour...
@+
Stef
Marseille, ma ville
Rio de Janeiro 2008 & 2011
Cyclades 2016
Un grand merci pour ton message qui tombe à pic puisque je n'avais u aucune réponse jusqu'à maintenant ! 🙂
Les infos que tu m'as donné confirme certains points que je connaissais déjà (par contre pour la simulation, je l'avais déjà tenté mais pas évient de s'y retrouver en portguais). Autrement, tu as raison, le mieux est que j'attende ton retour pour en savoir un peu plus ! 😎
Je te souhaite un très bon voyage !!
A + ! 😉
Thierry
On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux ! (même si pour des voyageurs les yeux çà compte !!!)
Me voici rentré du Portugal !!! Je suis en train de pondre un carnet de voyage relatant mon circuit de 10 jours, récit que j'espère boucler d'ici 1 bonne semaine. Je pense que tu y trouvera toutes les réponses à tes questions.
A bientôt !
Stef
Marseille, ma ville
Rio de Janeiro 2008 & 2011
Cyclades 2016
A Porto, nous avons logé au Solar Residential Sao Gabriel, et je te le recommande vivement. Nous avons payé 38€ la chambre double (petit dej inclus). Très confortable, calme, salle de bain privée, chambre climatisée, on a été agréablement supris par le standing par rapport au tarif.
Il y est juste à côté de la station de métro Bolhão, et dans la rue voisine de Santa Catarina se trouve une galerie commerciale très pratique.
Stef
Marseille, ma ville
Rio de Janeiro 2008 & 2011
Cyclades 2016
Etant donné que je n'ai pas encore fini de pondre mon carnet de voyage, je vais quand même répondre à tes questions :
Concernant le train, les infos que je t'avais donné avant mon départ étaient toutes correctes. Il s'agit bien d'Oriente pour Lisbonne et de Campanha pour Porto. Nous n'avions rien réservé concernant notre train de Lisbonne à Porto, donc dès notre arrivée dans la capitale (3 jours avant le départ pour Porto) on s'est rendus à la gare d'Oriente avec les simulations papier qu'on avait effectué sur le web. Et là on a acheté nos billets. Le prix du billet est de 19, 50€ par personne, mais selon si tu prends un autre train à une autre heure, ça peut monter à 27, 50€. Il faut que tu fase des simulations sur leur site www.cp.pt qui est en portugais mais aussi en anglais. Tu aura ainsi le tableau des trains de la journée que tu a choisi, avec les horaires et les tarifs. Ce sont des trains semblables à nos TER français, mais je ne sais pas s'il existe des trains à grande vitesse qui font la liaison entre les 2 villes. La durée du trajet est de 3h.
Après, voici quelques infos supplémentaires.
:: L I S B O N N E :: Se balader dans la Baixa et le Bairo Alto (prendre l'elevador de Santa Justa pour passer de l'un à l'autre), le Chiado et surtout l'Alfama, le quartier le plus pittoresque. Prendre le Tram 28 depuis la station Martin Moniz jusqu'au terminus. Acheter les tickets aller-retour au kiosque sur la Praça Figueira, c'est moins cher. Prendre le tram 15 sur Figueira et descendre à Bélem. Visite du Monument des Découvertes puis de la Tour de Bélém, et finir par le Monastère des Jéromites (Jéronimos) et surtout son cloître, à ne pas manquer. Avant de regagner le centre ville, faire une halte à la patisserie qui se trouve à 2 pas de là et acheter des "pasteis de Belem", c'est délicieux. Prendre le bateau à Cais do Sobré, puis le bus 101 qui te monte à la statue du Cristo Rei. D'ici la vue est imprenable sur Lisbonne et sur le fameux pont qui traverse le Tage. Visiter le château Sao Jorge, je te conseille en fin daprès-midi car quand le soleil se couche les couleurs sont superbes. Après c'est selon les goûts : Estadio da Luz, Musée des azulejos, etc... Pour le fado je ne sais pas trop, juste qu'un soir en se baladant dans l'Alfama, on en a entendu dans plusieurs restos. Il faut se perdre dans les rues de ce vieux quartier et tendre l'oreille... Pour manger pas cher, évite le centre ville et mise plutôt sur les petits restos de l'Alfama. Pour la météo : c'est simple, ça cogne du matin au soir. Crème solaire, lunettes de soleil, casquette et bouteille d'eau ne seront pas de trop, crois-moi !!!:: P O R T O :: Visites à faire : Tour de Clérigos (pour la vue sur la ville), Gare de Sao Bento (pour ses azulejos), Balade sur les quais de la Ribeira et de Vila Nova de Gaia où se trouvent les chais de Porto, se perdre dans les rues pittoresques qui descendent vers la Ribeira, traverser le Pont Dom Luis (par le haut) et monter au couvent de Nosa Senhora da Serra do Pilar, à mon avis le plus beau point de vue sur la ville, de jour comme de nuit !!! Il y a aussi l'Eglise Sao Francisco et le Palais de la Bourse mais nous n'avons pas visité pour les raisons qui seront sur mon carnet de voyage... Une balade en bateau sur le Douro Pour les repas, c'est pareil qu'à Lisboa, le centre est aux mêmes prix que la France. Météo idem : ça cogne, re-cogne et rere-cogne. Un soir à minuit il faisait 27°, alors la journée je te laisse imaginer...Voilà, je pense avoir répondu à la majorité de tes questions. Si tu veux plus d'infos, tu en trouvera je pense dans mon carnet de voyage (j'essaye de le terminer rapidement), sinon n'hésite pas à me poser des questions précises, je tenterai d'y répondre au mieux...
A bientôt !!!
Stef
Marseille, ma ville
Rio de Janeiro 2008 & 2011
Cyclades 2016
Bonjour Stef,
je viens de voir que votre carnet est à dispo ... je vais le lire dès ce soir, cela m'intéressera beaucoup plus que le programme TV...
Merci pour tout ce travail
MUCHAS GRACIAS - OBRIGADA
D'abord il faut prévoir plus de temps à Porto🙂 qu'à Lisbonne😕. C'est beaucoup plus sympa et moins de touristes.
J'ai pris le trajet de Porto à Lisbonne seulement (septembre 2004) avec une escale volontaire et sans regret à Nazare 😉(magnifique).
On arrive dans la capitale dans une gare de banlieue où on doit transférer pour le centre-ville; le bus je crois.
Le train est d'un grand confort et rapide mais le panorama manque un peu.
je te souhaite un bon sejour au portugal.Pour tes deplacements lisboa porto, le plus . economique si t es seul, est le bus 17euro le trajet d environ 3 heure.www.red-expresso.pt🙂Sinon tu as l Alfa pendular (TGV)pour 30 euros.www.cp.pt.depart lisboa 10h09 ou 18h09 arriver porto 12h44 ou 20h44.en sens inverse porto 5h47 ou 15h47arriver lisboa 8h22 ou 18h40😉il te reste la location d une voiture de lisboa porto pour environ 40 euros. A toi de choisir. quand tu seras a lisboa n oublies pas de gouter les pasteis de nata ou de santa clara c est typique et super bon sans oublier le sumol ananas ou laranja.et les bifanas...tu verras au portugal tout est bon.
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24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
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12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
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We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
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I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
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Thanks so much for your help,
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For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
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