J'ai des Vaude en PVC, et je conseille plutôt cette matière: elle est plus résistante à la déchirure en cas d'accrochage à un objet (branche, ferraille...).
Notamment, les surpantalons d'alpinisme renforcés en cordura ont tendance à se déchirer avec les pointes des crampons (qui eux ont tendance à se coincer dans le tissu, d'où risque de chute), alors qu'avec un renfort en bâche PVC, les pointes des crampons glissent.
Je suppose donc que ça peut être pareil sur des sacoches de vélo.
Pour ma part, j'ai une sacoche de guidon ortlieb en cordura et un sac de voyage ortlieb en PVC.
Tous les deux ont subi un crash, chute avec glissade et frottement sur plusieurs mètres.
Les deux ont résisté de la même manière, donc question solidité je dirai égalité.
Concernant la pluie, les deux sont étanches de la même façon, pourtant on pourrait croire que le cordura prendra l'eau, mais non, là aussi égalité.
Il y a juste pour l'entretien, je ne suis pas très précautionneux, mais je trouve que le cordura est plus dur à nettoyer, et vieillit plus vite...
Mais je suis absolument ravi de mes deux produits.
Le message de Gwendalf me fait penser que j'ai eu des sacs Ortlieb en PVC qui ont été maltraités par les bagagistes dans un avion: des traces d'abrasion étaient visibles, au point de voir la toile. Les sacs ont surement été traînés sur du béton. Cependant, le tissu n'a pas été déchiré, et est resté étanche. Aurait-ce été plus ou moins résistant avec du Cordura ? Mystère...
Je suis parti avec des Vaude en PVC et j'ai eu quelques problemes avec :
- Un des rails qui soutient le clips a casse, je ne sais pas trop comment, je pense que j'ai pris une branche dans un champ. Le clips a casse aussi... J'ai du changer la sacoche et le SAV de cyclo-randonnee a ete super pour le coup.
- J'ai casse plusieurs des attaches laterales, je les trouves assez "light".
- La toile est tres costaud mais j'ai troue ma sacoche avant en frotant un muret et ma sacoche arriere aussi...
Toutefois je ne sais pas si les sacoches ortlieb qui sont un peu plus cheres sont plus resistantes? Certains cyclo me disaient que non. Ma copine va acheter des sacoches pour le long cours et je ne sais toujours pas quoi lui conseiller...
Je suis parti avec des Vaude en PVC (...) Toutefois je ne sais pas si les sacoches Ortlieb qui sont un peu plus cheres sont plus resistantes?
Je n'ai pas fait de tests comparatifs à proprement parler, mais j'ai eu des sacoches des 2 marques. Le "tissu", que ce soit la bache PVC ou la toile cordura, sont aussi étanches et résistants chez Vaude que chez Ortlieb (et réciproquement). Par contre, je dirais que Ortlieb est un peu plus fiable au niveau fixations et visserie.
BERNARD "Aucun conseil n'est plus loyal que celui qui se donne sur le navire en péril.
Voiture : Invention ingénieuse, permettant de contenir 110 chevaux dans le moteur et un âne au volant.
j'espère apporter une petite précision, il semble que le Cordura soit plus léger pour une bonne résistance, mais pas autant que le PVC. Il risque aussi de "pomper" un peu l'eau sur une très longue pluie, le PVC c'est du plastique et ça ne bougera pas. D'ailleurs les bâches de camion sont de cette matière et les chargements restent au sec !!!
Nous on en a en PVC et nous en sommes très content !
Il risque aussi de "pomper" un peu l'eau sur une très longue pluie
Je ne suis pas d'accord. J'ai des sacoches Orltlieb en Cordura et j'ai fait quelques jours de vélo sous la pluie (assez forte de temps en temps avec du vent en prime) et tout est resté parfaitement sec à l'intérieur.
Pour ce qui est de la solidité je ne peux affirmer que le Cordura est + résistant mais celles que j'en ai depuis 3 ans et elles sont encore nickel (malgré chutes, transports en train, bus et avion).
le PVC c'est du plastique et ça ne bougera pas
Le plastique ça vieillit comme tout le reste (notamment sous le soleil).
D'ailleurs les bâches de camion sont de cette matière et les chargements restent au sec !!!
D'un autre côté le Cordura est plus cher donc la différence de prix pour une bâche peut expliquer cela. D'autre part les bâches de camions sont remplacées.
Ma conclusion : J'ai acheté des sacoches Cordura simplement car une réduc me permettait de les avoir - chères qu'en PVC. J'aurais des PVC si elles avaient été moins chères car pour mon utilisation (balades en cyclocamping de 15 jours à 1 mois principalement en France)
pour l'instant, je suis largement en dessous de ce que j'avais prévu mais je n'ai pas encore eu de grosses dépenses. A la fin du mai, je prends le ferry pour la Finlande, environ 40€ je crois. Ca va 😎
J'ai été hébergé il y a quelques jours en Pologne par un représentant de la marque polonaise Crosso. C'est aussi étanche et à priori aussi solide qu'Ortlieb et Vaude mais beaucoup moins connu et surtout 2 fois moins cher. Par contre, les sacoches sont un peu lourdes : + 1,5 kg la paire de grandes sacoches.
il n'est pas important qu'elles soient en pvc on corduroy; la qualité des fixations est très importante et la possibilité de pouvoir bonifier ces fixations si elles laissent à désirer; c, est souvent à l'ancrage que les fixations sonts faibles; des vis alors que des boulons auraient été plus solides. Un autre point important ce sont les fermetures éclairs; il y a encore beaucoup de sacoches haut de gamme qui sont multi compartiments avec beaucoup de fermetures éclairs; Dieu nous préserve des fermetures éclairs car elles finissent toutes par se coincer ou ne plus fermer; et allez trouver la couturière ou le cordonnier qui réparera à un coût rasonnable.Il n'y a pour moi que les rollers ; elles sont très durables , étanches 100%, d'utilisation facile. avec trop de compartiments il faut une carte et un g.p.s. pour s'y retrouver!!1
Quelles sont selon vous les sacoches les plus résistantes parmi ces deux modèles Ortlieb :
> Les Roller Classic en PVC
> Les Roller Plus en cordura
Merci de partager vos expériences et opinions. J'ai déjà lu quelques avis, j'en veux plus 😛
Bien que tibrass ait raison (première réponse), vu que ce constructeur est un des seul (voir le seul) à garantir ses produits à vie (et plus), quid entre le le pvc vs cordura ?
C'est un sujet qui n'est pas neuf. Internet fourmille de discussions sur les qualités et défauts de chacun et ca va au delà des sacoches vélo ( du sac a dos jusqu'au canapé de salon). Sur un plan purement "résistance à l'abrasion" c'est le cordura qui prend la tête (surtout à partir de 1000 deniers). Maintenant ce serait occulter d'autres caractéristiques comme l'étanchéité, vieillissement, poids, facilité de nettoyage etc etc ...
Et puis c'est toujours pareil, une fois acheté, le matos devient le best of the best puisque l'on a investit dessus .... entre les pro et anti pvc/cordura tu lira certains threads de certains forums avec délectation.
Allez je met une troisième option pour le fun ... as-tu envisagé des sacoches en Tarpaulin ?
Psyclopathe.
suffering from an extreme love of bicycles.
mais je me soigne ... je deviens autophobe.
Pour alimenter la discussion et donner un autre éclairage, voici un lien vers un article de Trekkingbike.com qui a testé les deux types de sacoches l'année dernière. C'est en allemand mais c'est impartial. Pas besoin de bien savoir lire: sehr gut est moins bien que super. Sinon, la Bike-Tourer en cordura est considérée comme la plus aboutie... mais, pour répondre à la question de départ, les sacoches en PVC sont évaluées comme étant plus résistantes.
De mon côté, j'ai opté pour les Classic de chez Ortlieb. Si jamais, sur Rose.de, on les trouve à quelques euros de moins dans les couleurs de la marque (vert ou gris) mais fabriqué par Rose. Le surcoût du cordura m'a refroidi et je trouve le rouge brillant plus joli et plus sûr dans le trafic...
Les Vaude viennent de me lâcher. Le plastique hardback au dos de la sacoche s'est cassé. J'ai essayé plusieurs tentatives de réparation, sans succès.
Les SAV de Vaude est incompétent.
Je retourne chez Ortlieb !
Voici les sacoches RCP Grand Touring sur ma bicyclette! La première photo met en évidence l'ouverture béante des sacoche gauche et droite. Il n'y a pas de…
Davance desole pour les accents et cie, je suis sur un clavier anglais. Je prepare un voyage en norgeve a velo, avec budget moyen voire petit. Et qui dit…
Je suis sur le point d'acheter des sacocoches arrieres afin de pouvoir faire du cyclotourisme cet été mais en voyant les dimension de different sacoches…
Bonjour
y à t, il une voie pour les vélo qui traverse l’Italie pour aller prendre le bateau pour la silice
si oui ou commence t'elle et ou fini t'elle ?
🇷🇼 Cycling in Rwanda: 4 episodes, an off-the-beaten-path adventure
After 3 weeks and nearly 1,200 km by bike across Rwanda, I made 4 videos to share this adventure in a different way: the landscapes, the encounters, the villages… but above all, all those incredible scenes of everyday life.
The 4 episodes are available here:
👉 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGnfbxjccWAg
The 4th episode focuses on rural Rwandan life: simple, authentic, and sometimes surprising scenes that you only truly discover when you take the time to travel by bike.
If you have a few minutes, let yourself be transported to Rwanda…
Hi,
We bought the MSR bike tent model (2-person + large awning that can fit 2 bikes) back in 2005. It’s served us really well, especially during a year-long trip in Africa. Now, one of the poles is broken, and we’d love to replace it since that’s the only issue with the tent—we still love it! The poles are 9.35 mm in diameter, with 8 sections of 49 cm and 2 sections of 28 cm. Total length when assembled: 416 cm. Actually, two large sections are broken: one straight and one curved. It’s a pain to find replacements since this model is no longer sold anywhere.
Would anyone have this model lying around unused and be willing to sell me a pole?
Another long-time dream of Claudio’s: the Petit Mont Cenis pass and the dam at the eponymous lake.
A place where many Italians, including my father, worked in the 1950s–60s.
Faverges → St-Michel-de-Maurienne → Lanslebourg → Petit Mont Cenis → return. 315 km, 3 days. Bivouac at St-Michel-de-M.
Brouter link
Leg One: Faverges → St-Michel-de-Maurienne
Leg Two: St-Michel → Lanslebourg → Mont Cenis Lake → St-Michel
Leg Three: St-Michel → Faverges
And it finally happened in August 2026: in the Maurienne Valley about the famous cycle route known as the V67
Looking for a female travel companion for a cycling trip (arriving by plane in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and cycling toward Montevideo, Uruguay, returning by plane to France from Buenos Aires, Argentina) – 1,500 km
Hello everyone!
I’m planning a cycling trip across Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina, with a departure set for late October, November, or December. I’m looking for a travel companion to share this long-distance adventure with.
Experience:
I already have solid experience in bicycle touring in Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. Currently, I maintain excellent physical condition by cycling an average of 250 km over 3 days per week (4 hours a day at 20 km/h).
The trip & the pace:
Daily pace: Between 50 and 80 km per day, to make steady progress while taking time to explore.
Accommodation: Flexible and authentic. We’ll alternate between wild camping, campsites, Warmshowers, small guesthouses, and budget hotels depending on opportunities and the weather.
Looking forward to reading your message and planning this amazing journey together!
Hi everyone,
In early April, I’m redoing the Vélo Francette (La Rochelle to Ouistreham), and then I’d like to cycle along the Cotentin Peninsula (which I don’t know at all), follow the coast up to Cherbourg, and then head back down to at least Saint-Malo. I’d love to know if it’s pleasant for cycling—are the roads nice? Not too windy? What are the must-see spots? Any great campsites? All your tips and advice are more than welcome, and I thank you in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike to meet some friends in Côte d’Ivoire in early November.
I’ll be starting in Abidjan and heading to Abengourou, which is close to the Ghana border.
I’d like to take the trails. Does anyone have recent info on eastern Côte d’Ivoire?
Any tips, safety advice, or must-see stops? I’m open to all suggestions.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Fx
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
I just took a trip in Tunisia from Tozeur to Douz, skirting Chott el Jerid to the south. I’m back with the urge to keep going further south via the 4x4 tracks to connect Douz to Ksar Ghilane. Has anyone driven this route recently or explored southern Tunisia?
Thanks for your tips!
fix
😎Fellow traveling cyclists or not, all of you who love travel, the pleasure of physical effort, nature, beautiful machines, people with true passions they seek to fulfill, and who also enjoy reading great literature about all this—the *200* magazine is for you just as it is for me. I should mention I have no financial or other interest in this (in an era where we accuse our politicians of all sorts of vile interests, I prefer to take precautions). I’ve been subscribed since the beginning, and every three months, I get my 130 pages of dreams (the magazine just went from 110 to 130 pages).
It covers everything from the trans-America route to the TCR (Trans Continental Race) from Belgium to a small town in Turkey, with mind-blowing averages—4,000 km and 80,000 m of elevation gain in 8 days and 15 hours for the winner. Let that sink in, and all of it without assistance—accepting a patch could penalize you. There’s also a story about crossing Iran, encountering one of the world’s most welcoming populations, following in the footsteps of Nicolas Bouvier, as well as retirees leisurely traversing France. The common thread in all these stories? Beautiful writing. Take, for example, a stunning article: *"Passengers of the Cold: From Edinburgh to Thurso, at the very north of Scotland, 550 km of moors, coasts, and icy wind. In Thurso, the road ends at a quay, facing the Orkney Islands. We wanted a November trip, off-season. We wanted to surprise winter. Just before the snow."* A sublime piece on the experience of facing adversity and the chance encounters along the road and in the elements.
Before I embarked on my own bike trips, I dreamed a lot about them—from the Atacama to the Gobi, along the Mekong, and not forgetting France. And now, these 130 pages every quarter keep those dreamy vibes alive through stories written in the most beautiful prose.
I’ll stop here because it might sound like I’m advertising, but if you don’t know *200*, I invite you to discover it. It’ll give you wings for the most incredible challenges or simply reinforce your desire for slow rides with your eyes open to others and nature.
A little news to wrap up: Axel Carion and a friend just broke the record for crossing South America from Colombia to Ushuaia in 59 days. On its own, that doesn’t mean much, but I can’t help it—it makes me dream. You should see how he talks about it, the flashes of that wild nature he’s stored away: a snowstorm at Paso Jama and the surreal sight of the suddenly snow-covered Licancabur!
Luc
PS: The magazine is called *200* because a day’s ride starts at 200 km—well, I’ve never done a ride like that since my longest was 167 km (with 18 kg of luggage, mind you), but why not one day? The magazine will explain how to tackle your first 200, and then the question in conclusion: when will you do your first 300?😏
I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough?
And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hello,
Has anyone here had experience using a gas stove in Sardinia and Sicily? I’m wondering if screw-on gas canisters (not the blue Campingaz ones, but brands like Coleman, Primus, etc.) are easy to find.
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
I’m planning to build a new touring bike.
I want to prioritize lightness.
That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads.
The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper.
I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork.
Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm.
It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring.
And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear.
More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.
It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.
One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.
We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.
Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.