Six-week trip to Mexico
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Palenque

The evening we arrived in Palenque, we ate at the restaurant Aluxes, 200 meters from the Parque Central. The Parque Central isn’t ugly, but it’s not as atmospheric as the usual central parks or zócalos. But like I’ve already said, Palenque isn’t a city to visit for its own sake. The meal cost us 320 pesos, which is pricier than usual, but Y was happy—I think she managed to find something she liked (just so you know, Thais are extremely picky when eating out, and little pleases them once they’re away from Thai food).

Getting to the ruins is easy—there are plenty of colectivos on the main street. The fare is 20 pesos per person, and it takes about twenty minutes. You have to pay twice to see the ruins: first, 36 pesos to enter the Parque Nacional, then 75 pesos to enter the Parque Arqueológico. All in all, around 5 euros per person—no big deal for ruins as famous as Palenque’s. We went in the morning. It wasn’t too hot yet, and there weren’t too many people. Vendors at the entrance offered sunscreen and mosquito repellent. No need—there wasn’t a single mosquito or fly! The park is really well maintained; the grass is neatly trimmed everywhere. It’d be impressive if we hadn’t gotten used to this level of cleanliness after three weeks in the country.

The ruins are, of course, magnificent. They date roughly from the first millennium AD. They’re on a plateau overlooking the lowlands, so it’s less stifling than in the city below. The site isn’t as huge as Teotihuacán, but you can tell there’s probably a lot more to uncover—maybe even discover—in the thick jungle surrounding it. We’re not clock-watchers (I think I’ve mentioned that before), but in two hours, I had time to climb most of what’s accessible.

I don’t remember the names given to the different monuments. A few photos will give you an idea of what they look like. I’m almost hesitant to show them—not because they’re bad (there are better, but they cost more), but because there must be millions of similar photos taken by the hordes of tourists who’ve flooded the place.

One thing caught my attention: the Maya—at least those who built these monuments—didn’t seem to have mastered the vault technique. A photo clearly shows some awkwardness in this regard: the triangular ascent toward the lintel is just a rough approximation of a real vault, with a clean, well-drawn arch. Okay, I’ll admit you could call it a corbelled vault, but it’s far from a well-developed technique.

If I sound a bit too critical, it’s because I’m getting tired of the tendency to find everything magnificent and extraordinary everywhere… That doesn’t take away from the beauty of the ruins. Besides, the Greeks didn’t know about vaults either, as far as I recall, and that didn’t stop them from leaving behind extraordinary ruins.

Palenque has some interesting panels depicting Maya warriors or nobles, as we imagine them—with extravagant feather headdresses, those strangely elongated heads deformed since childhood, hooked noses, and generous lips slightly protruding. Curiously, in a photo I took in the market streets around the Mercado de la Merced in Mexico City, I found a woman whose profile isn’t unlike those Maya heads. Indigenous blood is very present in Mexico…
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
Indigenous blood is very present in Mexico

95% of Mexicans are of mixed race.

The 500 men who accompanied Cortés had no choice..😛
AQ Aquilegia Globetrotter ·
95% of Mexicans are mestizos.

No, that’s not correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_Mexico

"According to the National Commission for the Development of Indigenous Peoples (CDI), 25,694,928 Indigenous people were recorded in Mexico in 2015, representing 21.5% of Mexico’s population."
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
95% of Mexicans are mestizos.

No, that’s not correct.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indig%C3%A8nes_du_Mexique

"According to the National Commission for the Development of Indigenous Peoples (CDI), 25,694,928 Indigenous people were reported in Mexico in 2015, representing 21.5% of Mexico’s population."

That might be accurate, but Francis (Memphre) is talking about mestizos. Another source cites 12% as "Indigenous," 70% mestizos, 15% European, and 3% "other."

Regardless of the exact percentage points, this gives a good idea of the composition of Mexico’s population.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
95% of Mexicans are of mixed race.

The 500 men who accompanied Cortés had no choice...

I wonder if 500 men each taking an indigenous woman would have been enough to change the Mexican population so much. There must have been an active policy largely eliminating 100% indigenous families. Slavery, for example, which was practiced for much of the 16th century.
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
What I actually mean is that only about 5% of Mexicans are of white origin, and even then, 100% "pure" white with Spanish ancestry. Go visit SAN SEBASTIÁN DEL OESTE (Jalisco) and meet Doña Maria Isabel de la Encarnación’s family—she’ll flood you with stats on the topic.

Right now, I’m in Calvillo (Aguascalientes), driving toward Puerto Vallarta, and I’m desperately looking for a blonde or redheaded Mexican woman…😎
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
What I actually meant is that there would be only 5% of Mexicans of white origin and still 100% pure... white and descendants of Spanish ancestors... and I’m desperately looking for a blonde or red-haired Mexican woman...😎

I can believe it—I didn’t see many either! That said, I recently met a young Mexican woman in Europe who was perfectly blonde and fair-skinned. Maybe the daughter of recent emigrants?
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
I wonder if 500 men each taking an Indigenous woman would have been enough to change the Mexican population so much. There was certainly an active policy that largely eliminated 100% Indigenous families. Slavery, for example, which was practiced for much of the 16th century.

The enslavement of Indigenous people was brutal, particularly by one of Cortés’ rivals, the infamous Nuño de Guzmán, who was apparently a real brute. According to Christian Duverger (check out his book), Cortés actually sympathized with the Indigenous people and did a lot to protect them from the excesses of his compatriots. As for the "no choice" for Cortés’ companions, it’s true there were no women on the ships that landed in Veracruz in 1519. That said, the Spaniards didn’t hold back when it came to the "warrior’s rest," and the abuses against Indigenous women only just began. I’ve read some well-regarded Spanish sources that mention several examples of Spanish landowners further south in South America who, to "increase" the value of their Indigenous dependents in the markets, systematically impregnated all the women before selling them. After all, a child on the way "for free" meant extra labor!
GR Greggig Regular ·
My account is probably dry in places and may have discouraged readers, judging by the lack of interaction.

Your account is very detailed and packed with practical info. I’m copying large chunks of it for my two-month stay in Mexico City (18 pages so far). The lack of interaction might be because trips to Mexico often focus on the Yucatán.

But who exactly are they praying to? To God, Jesus, and the Virgin Mary, of course (have you ever noticed that no one ever prays to the Holy Spirit?). But also to a whole bunch of saints—and let me tell you, if you ever find yourself in a tight spot or facing a tough situation, feeling lost and not knowing which saint to turn to, don’t despair! Mexicans are there to help because they’ll know which saint to call on. They’ve got a whole bunch they can "consult" when needed. Here’s a little list that might come in handy someday:

That reminds me of our bus adventures in the Peruvian Andes. During a rainy day on a muddy road with a cliff to our right, I told my girlfriend, "If we make it out alive, I’ll donate to the first saint I see." And I did, making sure to pick the most tearful one. Thanks for the list—you never know, it might come in handy.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Route from Palenque to San Cristóbal de las Casas (1)

Since we’d decided to spend 3 nights in Palenque, we had time to get our clothes washed. We also looked for an agency that could take us to San Cristóbal de las Casas via the well-known waterfalls of Misool Ha and Agua Azul.

In hindsight, that decision turned out to be a regrettable one—we ended up with way too much time to kill in this little town that really doesn’t have much going for it. The first day went fine: we spent most of the morning visiting the ruins and split the afternoon between a good nap and a bit of wandering around the nearby streets. There are a few small shops, so it’s not completely dead.

The highlight was my discovery of tascalate at Café Ha’ Ki on Parque Central. It’s a drink made from corn and chocolate, both typically Mexican ingredients. Not bad, and cheap too. 😛 The owner’s friendly but insists on speaking English even though I’d much rather practice Spanish. We’re in Mexico, right?

That evening, the big clouds that had been gathering on the horizon decided not to stay there but to come right over our heads—and boom, we got hit with an epic downpour. At least it was at night, so it helped us sleep… The second day, though, was painfully slow, and we honestly had little to do. The worst part? The heavy rains caused power outages, and of all places, the block where our posada was located got hit the hardest. No electricity all afternoon and into the early evening, which meant we were stuck in our sweltering room without air conditioning. And for once, we had a TV that worked well with a decent selection of channels—until the cable died and left us with nothing. 😕 The posada itself is well-designed, with good spacing between rooms and seating areas. It’s clean and pleasant, but the few fans weren’t enough to make us forget the heat.

The next day was departure day… The agency at the bus terminal (near the roundabout with the Mayan head statue) offered us “Package 4”: the trip to San Cristóbal via the waterfalls, including entry fees, for 460 pesos. I thought we could find a cheaper deal “in town”—it’s a habit of mine not to jump on the first offer (Y, on the other hand, bluntly put, doesn’t overthink things like I do…). This time, trying to be clever didn’t pay off. We ended up buying our tickets from a small agency near Parque Central for 500 pesos each. Go back to the bus terminal to save money? We’d have to take a round-trip taxi, which would cost a few dozen pesos—walking there in this heat? No thanks. Plus, laziness, you know how it is.

There are moments like that when you just have to accept you didn’t pick the best option. It happens pretty often when you’re traveling, after all.

We left around noon, if I remember correctly. Just like on the way to the Palenque ruins, we were immediately in the jungle-covered mountains. First stop after about an hour: Misool Ha. It’s a beautiful waterfall, especially after the recent heavy rains. There are rocks along the edge that block access to the base of the falls (no, that’s not me sitting on the rock in the attached photo!). Seeing how strong the current was, I figured this wasn’t the place for a dip. Then I turned around and saw a woman in a swimsuit climbing down—a local (maybe mixed-race) woman in her fifties with an athletic, sculpted body. 😎 I mention it because Mexican women don’t often have magazine-cover figures, thanks to their rich diet and probably a lack of exercise.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Route from Palenque to San Cristóbal de las Casas (2)

We stay for an hour or less and then head to Agua Azul. It’s a much larger site. We start by grabbing a bite at one of the 3 or 4 restaurants in the parking lot (180 pesos for two). Then we walk along the path leading to the waterfalls. There are several, spread out over maybe a good kilometer. All along, there are plenty of shops offering all the usual services. It’s a nice spot—everyone will find something they like and feel comfortable.

I tried to sort through my photos to narrow it down to a small selection, but since it’s so big, I ended up sticking 8 of them in here. The waters are rough and not the usual turquoise blue you see in photos—no surprise after the recent rains. There’s no way you’d even dip a toe in there, trust me! 🏴‍☠️ Higher up, I think (though I’m not entirely sure) there’s a spot where you can swim, but it’s pretty far, and we spent quite a bit of time going from one remarkable viewpoint to another. We end up relaxing with a drink down by the parking lot.

We felt we could’ve spent less than the 3 hours we’d planned (without the option to swim). When we leave, it’s already 4 or 5 in the afternoon. The minibus heads back toward Palenque instead of San Cristóbal and stops after about half an hour on the side of the road to drop us off. If it weren’t for the surrounding jungle, I’d say we were in the middle of nowhere! I’m exaggerating just a little—we actually end up near a building that doesn’t look like much, and there’s no welcoming activity like a refreshment stand. The minibus driver vaguely explained, before driving off, that another minibus would come pick us up here to continue to San Cristóbal. It’s a weird situation—if there weren’t about twenty other travelers dropped off in the same spot by other minibuses, we’d start to worry. 🤪

It starts raining again, and it’s getting darker. There’s just enough shelter under the building’s overhang. Finally, 2 or 3 minibuses show up, and we’re back on the road. I still don’t really get why they switch minibuses for logistical reasons between Palenque, the waterfalls, and San Cristóbal. 😇

Night falls quickly. We’re in the mountains. The road isn’t wide and zigzags constantly. We pass through a few tiny villages with faint lighting, and every time there’s even the slightest sign of a house, bam—we hit a series of « topes ». The « tope » is Mexico’s version of a speed bump, and if there are thousands (millions?) of « topes » in Mexico, it seems like a huge percentage of them are on this road. The minibus itself isn’t uncomfortable, but with these « topes », it’s hellish—there’s not a minute without a « deceleration—bump—bump—acceleration » sequence. For hours! 🏴‍☠️

At the entrance to Ocosingo, there’s a police checkpoint, and all the minibuses stop for a 10-minute break. Guides and online discussions make a big deal about Ocosingo and the risks of passing through. Sure, there was the « Battle of Ocosingo » in 1994 between the neo-Zapatista movement and Mexican forces, with several deaths, but as far as I know, there haven’t been any incidents that serious since. I’ll leave discussions about the neo-Zapatista EZLN front to others—I’m not an expert on the subject. I’ll just share this photo of the « Subcomandante Marcos », a legendary figure typical of these Latin American revolutionary movements, often linked to indígena demands.

And let’s not forget—these movements don’t target foreign travelers.

After this short stop, it takes another good hour to reach San Cristóbal. They drop us off at the bus terminal, which is only about 500 meters from the city center. There are plenty of taxis for the lazy. At this late hour—it’s 10 p.m.—we fall into that category. So we take a taxi, and a few minutes later, we’re finally at the hotel.
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Hi Georges, I’m joining the silent readers’ hearts here, Even if we’ve had our differences on VF now and then, knowing you in real life helps put things into perspective. Your trip reports are always culturally rich and a pleasure to read ( say hi to Michel and Chantal for me)

They also highlight the limits of some contributors’ tolerance, which helps explain why the world will always be a permanent tinderbox.

what I can say is that I equally appreciate beautiful mosques, especially those in the Persian style (Iran, Afghanistan, India), as well as the extraordinary mosque in Córdoba, Spain—or Hindu temples—and though I come from a Christian background (having put religion into perspective).

On a side note about your quote, which I fully agree with, I was also interested in Y’s perspective 🙂:

Also, since my partner Y is Buddhist and has no bias toward any Christian denomination, she absolutely loved all the churches in Mexico.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Alongside your quote, which I agree with, I was also interested in Y’s point of view 🙂 :

Also, my partner Y, being Buddhist and having no preference for any Christian denomination, really enjoyed all these churches in Mexico.

Sawatdee khrap K. Obeo! Bpen yang ngai baang? Yin dee tîi dâi rap!

It’s a surprise to see you joining my story—welcome!

I imagine Y represents the tolerant attitude most Thais would have when approaching non-Buddhist places of worship. I’m phrasing this cautiously because in our six weeks in Mexico, we didn’t meet any of her compatriots.
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Obeo, and thanks for the little hello! 🙂
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Georges,

I’m still following your journey through a Mexico that’s a refreshing change from the Yucatán and the so-called Riviera Maya. The *real* Mexico, in other words!

The Agua Azul and Misol-Há waterfalls definitely aren’t at their most vibrant after the rains, but at least they’re plentiful! You can’t have it all! 😉

Like we’d decided to spend 3 nights in Palenque (...) , we ended up with a lot of time to kill pointlessly in that little town, which really doesn’t have much going for it

Maybe you could’ve used that time to visit Bonampak and Yaxchilán, but you’d need to stay overnight there.

I’d planned a 10-day route through Chiapas, from Tuxtla Gutiérrez to Villahermosa, passing through the Sumidero Canyon, San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Comitán de Domínguez, Montebello National Park, Bonampak/Yaxchilán, and Palenque. But after reading this blog and this video posted on VF, I’m leaning more toward the northern part of the country—the Copper Canyon (Barrancas del Cobre) and the El Chepe train.

So after a few days in the capital, we’d head, like you, to the colonial cities north of Mexico City (skipping Morelia), the Sierra Gorda, Zacatecas, and Guadalajara. Then a flight to Los Mochis and the train to Chihuahua, with a few stops along the way (Divisadero, Creel), and a flight back to Mexico City. I think this trip will need at least four weeks, maybe five.

One question: We’ve taken buses in South America (Chile, Argentina, Peru) and always had great experiences. How are they in Mexico? Our main concerns are the over-the-top air conditioning and noise levels.

I’m not sure I’ll be able to read your story to the end, since we’re heading to India soon (our 4th trip), and I’m skeptical about the Wi-Fi reliability in hotels!

Thanks again for this high-quality travel journal—well-written and thoroughly researched.

Best regards,

Michel
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Since we decided to spend 3 nights in Palenque (...), we ended up having a lot of time to kill unnecessarily in this small town that really doesn’t have much to offer.

Perhaps you could have used that time to visit Bonampak and Yaxchilán, but you’d need to stay overnight.

Exactly—one more night just didn’t fit into the overall plan. As always, you have to make choices! And I always tell myself: if I like it, I’ll come back someday!

I had planned a ten-day itinerary in Chiapas, from Tuxtla Gutiérrez to Villahermosa, passing through Sumidero Canyon, San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Comitán de Domínguez, Montebello National Park, Bonampak/Yaxchilán, and Palenque. Ultimately, after reading this blog and this video posted on VF, I’m leaning more toward the north of the country—specifically Copper Canyon (Barrancas del Cobre) with the El Chepe train.

So after a few days in the capital, we’d head, like you, toward the colonial cities north of Mexico City (skipping Morelia), Sierra Gorda, Zacatecas, and Guadalajara. Then a flight to Los Mochis and the train to Chihuahua with a few stops along the way (Divisadero, Creel) and a flight back to Mexico City. I think this trip will require at least four weeks, maybe five.

I’m also eyeing some of those Chiapas destinations for another trip. A trip that could even extend into Guatemala, where I have memories from about forty years ago… before it turned into a Disneyland (a transformation I’ve heard about but hope is only partial).

The north interests me too. What we did this time (this story) is just a first step in that direction. As for Morelia, I’d say you can definitely skip it. The appeal of this city isn’t, as Lonely Planet claims, "an Oaxaca waiting to be discovered." As usual, guidebooks just spout "nonsense." There must be things to see in the Morelia region, but you’d need at least a week there. Again, a strategic choice to make!

Four to five weeks for the north of the country: totally agree. Mexico is enormous, and it’s a heavyweight in terms of cultural heritage, landscapes, ethnic diversity, etc.

This makes me think about trying to define what a "tourist Disneyland" is. Disneyland is a park where you go to have fun for a day or two (or three?), accessible to everyone. You see this trend of so many people going away for just a few days or at most 1-2 weeks. It’s not their fault—they’re stuck in their lives and need a break. But that’s not "traveling." 😕

A question. We’ve taken buses in South America (Chile, Argentina, Peru) always in excellent conditions. What about Mexico? Our concerns are mainly about excessive air conditioning and noise.

No worries at all—the buses have always been very comfortable, not too air-conditioned, and not noisy at all. Yet another reason to give Mexico 5 stars. ¡Que viva México!

I’m not sure if I’ll be able to read your story to the end, as we’re leaving for India soon (4th trip) and I have doubts about the Wi-Fi efficiency in hotels!

Thanks again for this high-quality travel journal, well-written and well-documented.

Best regards,

Michel

How funny—I’m going to India with Y in 12 days and staying until February 24th before heading back to Thailand. For me too, this will be my 4th trip to India, and Y’s 3rd. We could make some interesting comparisons between India and Mexico, actually. Here’s Y’s take: she loves India but prefers Mexico. The food is better 😛, communication with people is easier, and it’s much cleaner. No problem finding a place to sit and have a drink when you want, whereas in India… ugh. 😕 And in terms of cultural heritage and diversity, it’s pretty much on par. But it’s a bit more expensive.

And thanks for your appreciation of my travel journal—it’s always nice to receive compliments! 🙂
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
San Cristóbal de las Casas 1

A few days spent in San Cristóbal de las Casas (SCdlC). The streets of this pretty little town have a certain atmosphere under the late-October rain. Oh, there are some sunny spells too, but we’re back in the mountains, at 2,200 meters— Palenque was a geographic anomaly on our trip. At night, it’s chilly but not unpleasant; a good blanket does the trick. The hotel owner (or manager) tells us it gets much colder in winter—because winter exists even in Mexico!

It’s very easy to get your bearings in SCdlC. The zócalo is obviously the central point. That’s where the cathedral is, though I’m not sure what style it is, and we didn’t go inside (I think there were repairs going on). In the late afternoon and evening, there’s an Indigenous market on the square that we found more authentic than the one mentioned in guidebooks, near the Santo Domingo church and the Textile Center of the Maya World. That said, it’s still worth checking out that area—it’s only a 5-10 minute walk. Santo Domingo church has an ornate façade—maybe there are Indigenous influences?

Entry to the Textile Center is pretty pricey at 60 pesos per person (though that’s only 3 euros). Sure, the pieces on display are stunning, and it’s a must for enthusiasts. There are lots of items from nearby Guatemala. I’ll just share this photo of a Kekchi huipil from 1979—it’s a marvel. We’d need a whole separate thread to cover all these Indigenous textiles; they’re truly extraordinary.

A little farther on, the municipal market is also worth a quick visit. What struck me was the abundance and variety of chilies (photos). I explained to her that chilies come from Mexico, like so many other things, and that it was the Portuguese who introduced them to Siam in the 16th century… And that Thai cuisine had no chilies at all until then! But I’m not sure she really got it—you know how Thais are, the way their brains work is kind of weird…

With all that, there’s enough to fill a busy day. I’d say two days is ideal. And there’s more to do, see, and discover in SCdlC—I’ll talk about it in the next chapter. Patience!
OU Ouvergnate ·
I’m following the journey that will be exactly mine! It’s so exciting! I read this travel journal like a serial every day, and each day brings me closer to Mexico (departure on February 8th). Yes! What a great idea to start a discussion about textiles! Especially since I’ll be visiting Mexico, Guatemala, and Belize, and the whole "fabric" topic fascinates me—it weighs down my return suitcase and takes over every spot in my house where I can display them 🙂 Thanks for sharing, Georges!
JO Joss34 ·
I see that for Agua Azul, you were even less lucky than me.🤪 I went outside of the rainy season, and unfortunately, I didn’t know that the waterfalls are only azure blue during the months of April-May, give or take. In the end, for me, the water was just the classic river color—I was even more disappointed because I’d pushed my trip back a month in the hope of seeing the turquoise waters, and as a result, I couldn’t see the whale sharks in the Yucatán either.
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
Yes! Great idea to start a discussion about textiles!

Absolutely...

In Guatemala City, there’s the Museum of Indigenous Textiles (Museo Ixchel).

An American passionate about Mayan history traced the origin of all the specific designs and colors, village by village... That’s how in Santa Catarina Palopó, Guatemala, men wear skirts.

In SCLC, most of the crafts on display and for sale aren’t Mexican but Guatemalan... There are still 50,000 *retornados* in Mexico (Chiapas) waiting to return to their country of origin**... The history of Chiapas is closely tied to that of Guatemalan Mayans. **And the children of these refugees have no defined nationality... But if it weren’t for a certain Marcos, who would care about Chiapas, SCLC, and the Tzotzil Mayans today?😛

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