Jérémy
Voyage en Amérique du Sud sans billets retour?
by Jerem602
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je prévois de partir environ 4 mois en Amérique du sud au mois de novembre 2015, en attérissant d'abord en Argentine (à Ushuaïa), puis en remontant le continent petit à petit durant le voyage, en passant par le Brésil et le Pérou.
J'ai une date de voyage aller, mais même si je souhaite rester 4 mois, je ne sais pas encore d'où je partirais, et donc je ne souhaite pas prendre de billet retour.
Sachant que l'achat d'un billet aller Paris-Ushuaïa est impossible pour embarquer, je pense acheter un aller-retour, mais sans profiter du vol retour. Cela me permettrait ainsi d'obtenir sans soucis un visa de 3 mois en Argentine.
La question que je me pose est la suivante: quand je passerai de l'Argentine au Brésil, est-ce que je pourrais obtenir un visa tourisme de 3 mois sachant que je n'aurais encore aucun billet de retour de prévu du Brésil? Est-ce que je peux changer de pays librement sans avoir déjà acheté un billet de bus ou d'avion au préalable prouvant que je vais quitter le territoire dans un délais de 3 mois maximum?
Ou serait-t-il possible d'acheter un billet retour par exemple du Pérou prévu 3 mois après mon arrivée en Argentine, et de changer la date de retour une fois sur place?
Merci d'avance pour vos réponse
Jérémy
Jérémy
Bonjour Jérémy,
La question a aussi été évoquée sur ce même site : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=790507;idl3=6239173219&idl=52410&idl2=123480
Sache tout de même selon ma propre expérience, en Asie (Malaisie, vietnam, Thailande Indonésie) et au Brésil où je demeure à présent : la plupart des pays où je me suis rendu demande un retour - dans les textes ! Dans la pratique, il est je pense très rare qu'il soit demandé. A partir du pays où tu pars : pourquoi te refuserait-on de partir puisque c'est cette même compagnie qui te vend le billet, et à preuve du contraire c'est bien cette compagnie qui t'enregistre au check in. Ensuite lorsque tu arrives dans le pays ce qui est vérifié est ton passeport avec le visa, et non le billet. Je suis venu au Brésil avec un aller simple sans aucune difficulté, personne ne te demande quoique ce soit - et sur tous les forums je lisais attention, on va te refuser... Au final, ta démarche n'étant pas de t'installer illégalement mais de voyager dans plusieurs pays d'une manière tout à fait légitime apparaît comme un fait très courant chez les touristes "longue durée". En outre renseigne toi pour l'Argentine, mais dans le cas où tu souhaiterais rester davantage que 3 mois, cela serait sans doute possible, au Brésil par exemple, les autorités demande une petite amende journalière de quelques euros au-delà de 3 mois - payable à la sortie voire lorsque tu reviens dans le pays. Bon tu vois dans le pire des cas, rien de grave ne t'arrivera.
Bon courage !
Cheers,
Xuan
La question a aussi été évoquée sur ce même site : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=790507;idl3=6239173219&idl=52410&idl2=123480
Sache tout de même selon ma propre expérience, en Asie (Malaisie, vietnam, Thailande Indonésie) et au Brésil où je demeure à présent : la plupart des pays où je me suis rendu demande un retour - dans les textes ! Dans la pratique, il est je pense très rare qu'il soit demandé. A partir du pays où tu pars : pourquoi te refuserait-on de partir puisque c'est cette même compagnie qui te vend le billet, et à preuve du contraire c'est bien cette compagnie qui t'enregistre au check in. Ensuite lorsque tu arrives dans le pays ce qui est vérifié est ton passeport avec le visa, et non le billet. Je suis venu au Brésil avec un aller simple sans aucune difficulté, personne ne te demande quoique ce soit - et sur tous les forums je lisais attention, on va te refuser... Au final, ta démarche n'étant pas de t'installer illégalement mais de voyager dans plusieurs pays d'une manière tout à fait légitime apparaît comme un fait très courant chez les touristes "longue durée". En outre renseigne toi pour l'Argentine, mais dans le cas où tu souhaiterais rester davantage que 3 mois, cela serait sans doute possible, au Brésil par exemple, les autorités demande une petite amende journalière de quelques euros au-delà de 3 mois - payable à la sortie voire lorsque tu reviens dans le pays. Bon tu vois dans le pire des cas, rien de grave ne t'arrivera.
Bon courage !
Cheers,
Xuan
To be or not to be ? that is the question ! Être et ne pas Être, that is the answer !
Il n'y a que les compagnies aériennes qui vérifient si tu possèdes un billet retour. Tu dois donc en avoir un arriver en Argentine (prend un billet modifiable et modifie-le une fois sur place).
J'ai été contrôlée par ma compagnie aérienne (Iberia) au départ de bruxelles. Ils ont vérifié que j'avais un passeport, qu'il était encore valide 6 mois après mon retour et que mon billet retour était bien dans les 3 mois.
J'ai rencontré d'autres personnes qui ont aussi fait l'objet de cette vérification. Ils n'avaient pas de billet de retour et ont donc dû en moins d'1h trouver un billet pas cher, l'acheter, ...
Pour ton passage dans le pays suivant, si tu le fais par voie terrestre, pas de souci (ils ne vérifient pas).
"Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait" (Mark Twain)
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Berlin-Cracovie (sept 2013); Thaïlande (juil 2014); Equateur (sept 2014-déc 2014) - Pérou (déc 2014- en cours).
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Salut Jeremy,
Je regarde un peu ton problème et j'ai été dans la même situation que toi à deux moments bien distinct. Le premier je partais vers le continent américain avec un billet Aller simple, et comme premier stop de mon road trip, Los angeles. Pour n'avoir aucun problème et je ne pas dépenser de l'argent pour rien, j'ai juste acheté un billet de bus à 20$ (San Diego-Tijuana), remboursable qui plus est, à une date fictive, mais qui prouvait qu'à un moment donné je sortirai du territoire américain. Résultat, ils ne m'ont rien demandés, et je me suis fais rembourser mon billet de bus une fois arrivée.
La seconde, pour mon vol Miami-Lima, qui était aussi en aller simple... En faite ce que j'ai fais, j'ai acheté mon billet aller séparément du retour, et une fois sur place, je me suis fais rembourser mon retour par la compagnie. Bien sur je m'étais renseigné et la compagnie autorisait ce procédé si le remboursement était effectué dans la semaine. Résultat, à peine arrivé sur le sol Péruvien, j'ai de suite demandé le remboursement du ticket.
Cela évite d'avoir un billet retour soit perdu, soit qui t'oblige à définir une ville de retour obligatoire...
Si tu as des questions n'hésites pas, mais je pense que le coup du billet de bus pourrait te servir :)
Bye !
Je regarde un peu ton problème et j'ai été dans la même situation que toi à deux moments bien distinct. Le premier je partais vers le continent américain avec un billet Aller simple, et comme premier stop de mon road trip, Los angeles. Pour n'avoir aucun problème et je ne pas dépenser de l'argent pour rien, j'ai juste acheté un billet de bus à 20$ (San Diego-Tijuana), remboursable qui plus est, à une date fictive, mais qui prouvait qu'à un moment donné je sortirai du territoire américain. Résultat, ils ne m'ont rien demandés, et je me suis fais rembourser mon billet de bus une fois arrivée.
La seconde, pour mon vol Miami-Lima, qui était aussi en aller simple... En faite ce que j'ai fais, j'ai acheté mon billet aller séparément du retour, et une fois sur place, je me suis fais rembourser mon retour par la compagnie. Bien sur je m'étais renseigné et la compagnie autorisait ce procédé si le remboursement était effectué dans la semaine. Résultat, à peine arrivé sur le sol Péruvien, j'ai de suite demandé le remboursement du ticket.
Cela évite d'avoir un billet retour soit perdu, soit qui t'oblige à définir une ville de retour obligatoire...
Si tu as des questions n'hésites pas, mais je pense que le coup du billet de bus pourrait te servir :)
Bye !
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Salut
Le billet de retour est obligatoire "en principe", tout dépend de la compagnie aérienne avec laquelle tu fais l'embarquement pour être sur appel les directement moi je suis parti de Rome a buenos aires avec vivaitalia j'ai eu aucun soucis je les avais appellé et ils m'avaient bien dit au téléphone que sans retour il n'y a aucun problème
Après il y a une autre solution qui fonctionne vraiment
Maintenant de plus en plus de pays demande le vol retour pour l'embarquement et les compagnies aériennes savent que ça nous fais chier
Tu vas directement à l'aéroport tu vas en premier chez les petites compagnies et tu leur dit direct que ta besoin d'un retour et que tu voudrais faire une réservation (par ex pour toi buenos aires Santiago) que c'est uniquement pour montrer à l'embarquement, que tu prendra jamais ce vol, tu paye rien pour ça et je te jure que ça marche ils sont très compréhensible je l'ai encore fais la semaine dernière entre la Colombie et le Panama
Ce qui concerne l'entrée au brazil ya aucun soucis par voie terrestre par contre ils vont te demander combien de temps tu veux rester dit leur bien 90 jours parce que si tu leurs dit 10 jours et que tu reste 12 t'aura 2 jours d'amende à payer
Bonjour,
Pour rebondir sur vos messages, dans mon cas j'envisage un long séjour en Amérique du sud (plus d'un an) avec une arrivée à Salvador de Bahia (depuis Paris). Bien entendu, j'aimerais opter pour l'achat d'un aller-simple, ne connaissant pas ma date de retour, si retour il y a... ;)
Je ne resterai pas plus de 90 jours au Brésil, pensant passer en Uruguay ou Argeentine au bout d'un mois et demi. Pensez-vous que l'on peut me poser des problèmes à la douane en arrivant, à l'aéroport en partant (compagnie Condor par exemple)?
D'avance merci!
Fabien
Salut Fab,
j'ai aussi prit un aller simple Madrid - Sao Paulo en Juillet, et j'ai eu 2 "contrôles de billet retour". Le premier pour pouvoir entrer dans la file du check-in, le second par le douanier lors de mon entrée au Brésil. J'ai un visa de travail donc ça a clôturé les débats mais sans.. je ne sais pas quelle aurait été leur réaction ! J'ai aussi beaucoup voyagé en Asie du sud-est sans soucis de billet retour (sauf les Philippines où c'est obligatoire sinon on reste dehors). Mais le Brésil je pense que c'est moins perméable que l'Asie... Pour moi prévois donc d'acheter un billet de bus ou d'avion avec ton nom écrit dessus qui prouve que tu sors du pays avant les 90 jours et basta. Personne ne vérifie l'authenticité de ton billet ni ne le scanne, donc au pire si t'es bon en photoshop 😄
j'ai aussi prit un aller simple Madrid - Sao Paulo en Juillet, et j'ai eu 2 "contrôles de billet retour". Le premier pour pouvoir entrer dans la file du check-in, le second par le douanier lors de mon entrée au Brésil. J'ai un visa de travail donc ça a clôturé les débats mais sans.. je ne sais pas quelle aurait été leur réaction ! J'ai aussi beaucoup voyagé en Asie du sud-est sans soucis de billet retour (sauf les Philippines où c'est obligatoire sinon on reste dehors). Mais le Brésil je pense que c'est moins perméable que l'Asie... Pour moi prévois donc d'acheter un billet de bus ou d'avion avec ton nom écrit dessus qui prouve que tu sors du pays avant les 90 jours et basta. Personne ne vérifie l'authenticité de ton billet ni ne le scanne, donc au pire si t'es bon en photoshop 😄
"Vivre, c'est faire de ses rêves des souvenirs." Sylvain Tesson
Merci Fabien (si je ne me trompe pas de prénom ;)
Dis moi, je veux quand même assurer le coup en réservant un billet de bus qui montre que je vais bien sortir du pays. Connais-tu un site internet où il est possible de faire une réservation de bus avec des propositions pour l'international?
D'avance merci! Je galère à trouver ça. Car l'avion c'est hors de prix pour ce que je trouve pour le moment.
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There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel