For those who want to take a helicopter flight in New York:
In mid-April, a sightseeing helicopter flight in NYC turned tragic. A helicopter carrying a Spanish family of five and a pilot crashed into the Hudson River shortly after taking off from Manhattan.
Apparently, the loss of the rotor caused the sudden fall near the West Side Highway.
Despite rescue efforts, all six occupants died.
This has reignited the debate over whether helicopters should be banned for sightseeing flights in NYC or elsewhere.
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Hi everyone,
I’m planning a third trip to Madagascar in 2026. This time, heading north and then part of the west coast before going back up.
The question I’m asking myself—same as during our first visits—is Nosy Be or not?
Of course, the photos show stunning beaches, and when you mention Madagascar, almost everyone says Nosy Be or at least has heard of it. That’s actually why we didn’t include it in our itineraries before, especially since we’d already seen paradise-like beaches in the south, and we had them all to ourselves because they were hard to reach.
On the other hand, I’ve always been drawn to Île Sainte-Marie, but from the north, you have to go back down to Tana, which I’m okay with in principle.
So, what’s your take? Nosy Be and its surroundings—what do you think? Just tourists looking to party?
Thanks
We just got back from a nearly 3-week trip to Costa Rica in March. For the occasion, we used EVANEOS to plan our trip based on our preferences.
After some setbacks with ADOBE RENT-A-CAR—they refused the Visa Premier card and forced us to pay for extra insurance (which is usually covered by the Visa Premier)—we finally set off to explore the country.
Observation: Apart from nature, wildlife, and flora, there isn’t much else to see, but it’s so beautiful! Some people criticize the country as insignificant, with bland food and unwelcoming locals. I think those people didn’t really explore—maybe they stayed in their hotel near the beach (UVITA?) without venturing out. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so many Europeans living in Costa Rica who don’t even consider going back to their home countries.
For our part, we found Costa Ricans very kind and welcoming. It’s often said they’re thieves, but personally, we left a small suitcase in a restaurant. When we returned after driving 20 km round trip, the staff were trying to find our phone number to contact us. I think it’s like anywhere—even in France, I’d tell tourists not to leave anything in their car to avoid… well, you know.
Food: Traditional dishes, fish plates (tilapia was excellent), and especially ceviche (around 15 € per person)—really good—and lobster (around 30 to 35 € per person), all served with fruit batidos (around 3 € per person).
Car: We had a 2-wheel-drive vehicle, which kept us from visiting some sites that require a 4x4, like Boruca, the town of artisan masks. Some lodges are also only accessible via rough, rocky trails that are tough to navigate in a regular car. Don’t hesitate to insist on a 4x4.
Keep in mind that driving fast in Costa Rica isn’t possible. Some roads are in poor condition, and there are often unmarked speed bumps that are much worse than the ones in France. You’ll average about 50 to 60 km/h on a leg of the trip.
I also recommend bringing a road map to cross-check the routes suggested by Waze or Google Maps. Sometimes, these apps will send you down completely wrecked roads to save time! A paper map will help you verify the road type. It’s better to drive an extra 20 km than to get stuck on a rocky path.
- San José to Barra de Pacuare (much less crowded than Tortuguero). Sea turtles are still rare this time of year. Via the canals, we spotted howler monkeys, sloths, and birds, and on land, we saw venomous spiders, poisonous frogs, and a leatherback turtle conservation site.
Explored a primary tropical forest with its many species of flora and fauna (monkeys, snakes, sloths, toucans, raccoons, etc.).
- Barra de Pacuare to Cahuita: Explored Cahuita National Park (howler monkeys, capuchin monkeys, raccoons, sloths, blue crabs, leaf-cutter ants, etc.) and walked along the trail by Puerto Viejo’s beach.
- Cahuita to Bambú: Visited the Bribri tribe and their customs. This isn’t a tourist trap—it’s a deep immersion into a community living almost self-sufficiently. To get there, you take a motorized canoe for over an hour. But be warned:
1 - The restroom cleanliness leaves a lot to be desired
2 - There’s no hot water
3 - A waterfall hike is offered. The first two-thirds are fine, but the last third is very dangerous, especially if it’s rained, even with sneakers. You need sturdy shoes. Our guide turned back halfway…
- Bambú to Sarapiquí:
- La Fortuna: Explored the Mistico Park tropical forest. A 3+ km trail lets you discover animals and lush vegetation. Sixteen suspension bridges, some up to 45 meters high, offer stunning views of the canopy.
Walked around Arenal Volcano: Big disappointment for seeing lava flows. After 2 km, a viewpoint shows vegetation that’s taken over—only a few volcanic rocks hint at the 1968 eruption.
- La Fortuna to Carara: Spotted crocodiles at the Tarcoles Bridge.
- Carara to Uvita: Relaxed. Uvita is a small tourist town with nothing particularly original, but it’s the place to try CEVICHE, a typical dish of raw fish “cooked” in lime juice. Delicious! We recommend Mestizo for very affordable prices.
- Osa to Corcovado National Park: This park is gorgeous. You’ll see all four monkey species, tapirs, scarlet macaws, etc.
From Drake Bay, it takes about 1 hour 15 to 1 hour 30 to cross to the park. After navigating the mangroves, the boat heads into open sea until reaching the beach, where you’ll wade ashore (water up to your thighs—bring shoes for the slippery rocks).
National Geographic called the park a "jewel of humanity" that must be preserved at all costs due to its incredible biodiversity. The park represents 3% of the world’s biodiversity. You can observe countless monkeys (all four species are present), crocodiles, tapirs, and scarlet macaws.
Our guided hike with a French-speaking guide lasted 4 hours before returning by boat to the lodge.
WARNING: There’s strict control at the park entrance:
- No plastic bottles
- No knives
- No plastic items
- No bare feet. Closed-toe shoes are required (in addition to a pair for the boat)
- Osa to Zona de los Santos: This is the coffee region and home to the quetzal, a stunning but hard-to-spot bird that’s also Guatemala’s symbol. Paraíso Quetzal Lodge has a platform with a spotting scope to try to see the bird in the forest. CAUTION: This beautiful lodge is at 2,650 meters altitude. The rooms have incredible forest views, but it’s VERY VERY cold!
- Zona de los Santos to San José: Detour to Irazú Volcano. WARNING: Buy tickets before arriving. The staff kindly bought them for us via their phone. Small disappointment: The crater lake hasn’t existed for years! The ads are misleading about this.
- San José: A city we found uninteresting.
Hi everyone,
I was wondering how the coronavirus pandemic has impacted the way you travel or plan your trips. I know some of these points have been discussed before, but what I’m interested in here is the concrete, present, and personal—no politics and nothing post-COVID.
Here are a few ideas—do any of these resonate with you?
- Traveling shorter distances / for shorter durations - Favoring rural or less crowded areas over urban or overcrowded ones - Opting for private transportation over public transit - Traveling solo or at least in pairs rather than in groups - Waiting until the crisis is over and saving money in the meantime - Reassessing health risks (and updating your first-aid kit/medications and vaccinations) - ...
I’m sure you’ll have other things to add. The floor is yours!
I was wondering how the coronavirus pandemic has impacted the way you travel or plan your trips. I know some of these points have been discussed before, but what I’m interested in here is the concrete, present, and personal—no politics and nothing post-COVID.
Here are a few ideas—do any of these resonate with you?
- Traveling shorter distances / for shorter durations - Favoring rural or less crowded areas over urban or overcrowded ones - Opting for private transportation over public transit - Traveling solo or at least in pairs rather than in groups - Waiting until the crisis is over and saving money in the meantime - Reassessing health risks (and updating your first-aid kit/medications and vaccinations) - ...
I’m sure you’ll have other things to add. The floor is yours!
Good evening! 🙂,
I’m paraphrasing the title of discussions that were popping up back in 2020. Back then, the obstacles were travel restrictions and all sorts of often very arbitrary "health" rules. Today, it feels like we’re facing an epidemic of wanderlust that’s piling up in certain places—places that keep expanding. Places that end up feeling like wallpaper, just part of the scenery, more or less exotic, since the people, the dominant crowd, are always the same. And they’re especially overwhelming in limited spaces like villages, museums, and other remarkable sites.
Personally, it tends to send my cortisol levels through the roof, leading to desperate attempts to salvage what I can (the stress when I saw a travel journal about eastern Crete—then, phew, at least this little piece of old Greece hasn’t been exposed yet. Maybe it’ll survive a little longer). So, no more weekends in beautiful European cities. So, adjusted visiting hours, but that’s not always enough (I’ll still have to say goodbye to Caravaggio’s *Madeleine* since I can’t have a quiet moment with her anymore, even late in the day). So, outright giving up: I’ll never see Machu Picchu. Too late. So, shifting travel dates to minimize the damage (Uzbekistan was originally planned for Easter—with April 24th and May 1st to limit vacation days—but the anxiety of tourist crowds during that mild climate period, with few days off, led me to reschedule the trip for winter. Short days and possible rain are a thousand times better).
Avoiding crowds has become a fundamental criterion for choosing destinations and timing.
And you? Are you able to tune out this identical crowd everywhere, or has it changed your relationship with travel/tourism?
Catherine
I’m paraphrasing the title of discussions that were popping up back in 2020. Back then, the obstacles were travel restrictions and all sorts of often very arbitrary "health" rules. Today, it feels like we’re facing an epidemic of wanderlust that’s piling up in certain places—places that keep expanding. Places that end up feeling like wallpaper, just part of the scenery, more or less exotic, since the people, the dominant crowd, are always the same. And they’re especially overwhelming in limited spaces like villages, museums, and other remarkable sites.
Personally, it tends to send my cortisol levels through the roof, leading to desperate attempts to salvage what I can (the stress when I saw a travel journal about eastern Crete—then, phew, at least this little piece of old Greece hasn’t been exposed yet. Maybe it’ll survive a little longer). So, no more weekends in beautiful European cities. So, adjusted visiting hours, but that’s not always enough (I’ll still have to say goodbye to Caravaggio’s *Madeleine* since I can’t have a quiet moment with her anymore, even late in the day). So, outright giving up: I’ll never see Machu Picchu. Too late. So, shifting travel dates to minimize the damage (Uzbekistan was originally planned for Easter—with April 24th and May 1st to limit vacation days—but the anxiety of tourist crowds during that mild climate period, with few days off, led me to reschedule the trip for winter. Short days and possible rain are a thousand times better).
Avoiding crowds has become a fundamental criterion for choosing destinations and timing.
And you? Are you able to tune out this identical crowd everywhere, or has it changed your relationship with travel/tourism?
Catherine
My passion for travel
Travel is an endless source of wonder and discovery for me. It lets me escape the everyday and immerse myself in different cultures, varied landscapes, and unique ways of life. Every destination is an invitation to learn and grow, while fueling an insatiable curiosity.
The types of trips I love I’m especially drawn to trips that combine adventure and cultural immersion. I love discovering places off the beaten path, where authenticity takes precedence over mass tourism. Whether it’s trekking through isolated mountains, exploring historic cities, or staying in remote villages, every trip is a chance to step out of my comfort zone and embrace the world’s diversity.
I also prioritize trips that let me deepen my knowledge in a particular area, like gastronomy, history, or art. Exchanges with locals—whether sharing a meal or taking part in traditional events—are essential to making the experience rich and meaningful.
Trips I’ve taken Among the memorable trips I’ve done, some have been turning points in how I see the world. My journey through the Austrian Alps, for example, didn’t just offer spectacular landscapes—it also let me discover Austrian culture in all its diversity, from festivals to music to cuisine.
I’ve also had the chance to visit more exotic destinations, like Southeast Asia, where I immersed myself in fascinating cultures, learned ancient practices, and met people whose life philosophies really inspired me.
Future travels Looking ahead, I dream of going to Latin America to explore its vibrant cultures and breathtaking landscapes. A road trip through Peru, Bolivia, and Chile is one of my long-term travel goals. I’d also love to discover the Pacific Islands and maybe even take part in volunteer projects with local communities.
I hope my future travels will keep pushing my limits while letting me meet people who share this passion for travel and connection.
The types of trips I love I’m especially drawn to trips that combine adventure and cultural immersion. I love discovering places off the beaten path, where authenticity takes precedence over mass tourism. Whether it’s trekking through isolated mountains, exploring historic cities, or staying in remote villages, every trip is a chance to step out of my comfort zone and embrace the world’s diversity.
I also prioritize trips that let me deepen my knowledge in a particular area, like gastronomy, history, or art. Exchanges with locals—whether sharing a meal or taking part in traditional events—are essential to making the experience rich and meaningful.
Trips I’ve taken Among the memorable trips I’ve done, some have been turning points in how I see the world. My journey through the Austrian Alps, for example, didn’t just offer spectacular landscapes—it also let me discover Austrian culture in all its diversity, from festivals to music to cuisine.
I’ve also had the chance to visit more exotic destinations, like Southeast Asia, where I immersed myself in fascinating cultures, learned ancient practices, and met people whose life philosophies really inspired me.
Future travels Looking ahead, I dream of going to Latin America to explore its vibrant cultures and breathtaking landscapes. A road trip through Peru, Bolivia, and Chile is one of my long-term travel goals. I’d also love to discover the Pacific Islands and maybe even take part in volunteer projects with local communities.
I hope my future travels will keep pushing my limits while letting me meet people who share this passion for travel and connection.
Three of our grandchildren came to spend the last weekend of the holidays at our house.
With her driver’s license just in hand, the oldest took her sister and a cousin along.
I was talking about VoyageForum, and the conversation turned to AI, which finds writing travel journals a breeze—churning out amazing ads for this or that country and even nudging tourists to visit one place over another.
Jules: "It’s crazy, you can plan and organize everything, then just add your photos and the AI’s text, and boom—you’ve got something great." Héloïse: "What a cheat for yourself and for others." (She’s so wise!) Gaïané: "Ugh, no more surprises. It even picks the restaurants—so lame."
I had this idea to stay on the theme of travel journals:
I found an excerpt from a book (I’ll let you guess the title and author—of course, the kids figured it out in two seconds with their phones), then I wrote my own version, and finally, the AI generated its own using a few keywords.
Here they are:
"We walked at dusk through the thick, dark forest. Sometimes, a clearing would reveal a dreamlike landscape. A magical world, far from humans. A world of frozen waterfalls, stiff fir trees, and sharp peaks slicing through the blinding whiteness of the air.
We gazed, dazzled, at the spectacle, imagining we’d left the human world behind and joined that of the spirits."
"For days, we walked through the half-darkness of dense, untouched forests, then suddenly, a clearing would unveil landscapes you only see in dreams. Sharp peaks piercing the sky, icy torrents, giant waterfalls—an entire fantastical world, blindingly white, rising above the dark line traced by the giant fir trees. We stared at this extraordinary sight, speechless, awestruck, ready to believe we’d reached the limits of the human world and stood at the threshold of the spirits’ realm."
"We walked through the mountain, wild and unyielding, its sharp peaks tearing the sky like honed blades. Giant waterfalls roared and foamed, as if the earth’s hidden forces were pouring out. Higher still, the blinding whiteness belonged to the world of spirits—capricious beings whispering to lost travelers. Faced with this silent vastness, we felt tiny, uninvited guests meditating on the invisible that dwells in these forbidden peaks."
And, amazingly, they unanimously agreed that the author’s excerpt was a thousand times more poetic. Héloïse, my history buff, said: "Nothing replaces the real travel experience." Jules said: "Yeah, but it does the job. Even if the excerpt is cool." And our oldest added: "It makes you want to go there—not at all like the other two versions. Sorry, Mamido."
And then, miracle—Jules asks: "Do you have the book? Can I borrow it?"
I’m so relieved—young people aren’t completely devoured by technology yet. And the forum will keep its charm and usefulness for a long time. Phew!
You agree, right?
Jules: "It’s crazy, you can plan and organize everything, then just add your photos and the AI’s text, and boom—you’ve got something great." Héloïse: "What a cheat for yourself and for others." (She’s so wise!) Gaïané: "Ugh, no more surprises. It even picks the restaurants—so lame."
I had this idea to stay on the theme of travel journals:
I found an excerpt from a book (I’ll let you guess the title and author—of course, the kids figured it out in two seconds with their phones), then I wrote my own version, and finally, the AI generated its own using a few keywords.
Here they are:
"We walked at dusk through the thick, dark forest. Sometimes, a clearing would reveal a dreamlike landscape. A magical world, far from humans. A world of frozen waterfalls, stiff fir trees, and sharp peaks slicing through the blinding whiteness of the air.
We gazed, dazzled, at the spectacle, imagining we’d left the human world behind and joined that of the spirits."
"For days, we walked through the half-darkness of dense, untouched forests, then suddenly, a clearing would unveil landscapes you only see in dreams. Sharp peaks piercing the sky, icy torrents, giant waterfalls—an entire fantastical world, blindingly white, rising above the dark line traced by the giant fir trees. We stared at this extraordinary sight, speechless, awestruck, ready to believe we’d reached the limits of the human world and stood at the threshold of the spirits’ realm."
"We walked through the mountain, wild and unyielding, its sharp peaks tearing the sky like honed blades. Giant waterfalls roared and foamed, as if the earth’s hidden forces were pouring out. Higher still, the blinding whiteness belonged to the world of spirits—capricious beings whispering to lost travelers. Faced with this silent vastness, we felt tiny, uninvited guests meditating on the invisible that dwells in these forbidden peaks."
And, amazingly, they unanimously agreed that the author’s excerpt was a thousand times more poetic. Héloïse, my history buff, said: "Nothing replaces the real travel experience." Jules said: "Yeah, but it does the job. Even if the excerpt is cool." And our oldest added: "It makes you want to go there—not at all like the other two versions. Sorry, Mamido."
And then, miracle—Jules asks: "Do you have the book? Can I borrow it?"
I’m so relieved—young people aren’t completely devoured by technology yet. And the forum will keep its charm and usefulness for a long time. Phew!
You agree, right?
A turbulent period came to an end around 2022.
Many of us have returned to big trips after making only very small ones—or none at all. For a little anecdote, my dentist told me that due to the lack of travel, a lot of clients treated themselves to implants they would’ve otherwise skipped. The joy of traveling again probably gave some vacationers smiles they hadn’t dared to show before!
Here, you can share what’s on your mind: Have these new, real trips disappointed you, rejuvenated you, or just relieved a long frustration?
For my part, not being so young anymore, there was definitely relief but no explosion of joy. I just had the feeling of picking up the thread of life after a foggy pause, with the bitter taste that 2 or 3 years of my life had been partly stolen from me.
Many of us have returned to big trips after making only very small ones—or none at all. For a little anecdote, my dentist told me that due to the lack of travel, a lot of clients treated themselves to implants they would’ve otherwise skipped. The joy of traveling again probably gave some vacationers smiles they hadn’t dared to show before!
Here, you can share what’s on your mind: Have these new, real trips disappointed you, rejuvenated you, or just relieved a long frustration?
For my part, not being so young anymore, there was definitely relief but no explosion of joy. I just had the feeling of picking up the thread of life after a foggy pause, with the bitter taste that 2 or 3 years of my life had been partly stolen from me.
I find myself feeling more and more jaded when I travel these days.
Boredom sets in. I’m not saying I don’t like boredom, but long-term...
So, I end up thinking traveling doesn’t really make much sense anymore.
Do you ever feel this way?
Nat
Nat
I’ll admit, the hook is intentionally ambiguous 😉
but I really do want to talk about travel, inspired by a side discussion and a recent experience.
The topic is obviously about independent travel, in a closed group—not those hordes of tourists who step off a plane just to flop onto a beach (no judgment, I do it too… rarely).
Have you tried traveling with others? How did it feel? Never again? Always? Do you travel solo by choice (not due to constraints)? Why?
Your turn! !
The topic is obviously about independent travel, in a closed group—not those hordes of tourists who step off a plane just to flop onto a beach (no judgment, I do it too… rarely).
Have you tried traveling with others? How did it feel? Never again? Always? Do you travel solo by choice (not due to constraints)? Why?
Your turn! !
Reunion Island, a French island located in the Indian Ocean, is characterized by remarkable geographical and cultural diversity. This island offers an immersive experience that harmoniously blends wild nature and human heritage, between active volcanoes, mountainous cirques, impressive waterfalls, and charming villages. This report explores the must-see spots, from the lunar landscapes of Piton de la Fournaise to the mountainous trails of the Mafate cirque, not forgetting the natural pools and tropical gardens. Each section highlights a distinct aspect of this vibrant island, supported by geological and historical information, as well as accounts from those who have visited.
Piton de la Fournaise, which reaches a height of 2,632 meters, is one of the most active volcanoes on our planet. Its frequent eruptions constantly shape the landscape, offering a natural spectacle where burning lava meets the ocean. The trail leading to the Dolomieu crater, though difficult to access, is open to hikers and rewards them with a panorama of vast expanses of solidified lava and volcanic gas emissions. It’s usually best to visit at this time of day to avoid clouds and enjoy the low light that enhances the lunar reliefs.
Volcanic activity has also given rise to unique structures, such as the lava tunnels of Grand Brûlé, where tourists can walk along cooled lava flows. For geology enthusiasts, the site of Cassé de la Rivière de l'Est reveals incredible basaltic organ pipes, testifying to ancient eruptions.
Despite its inactivity, Piton des Neiges (3,071 m) remains the island’s highest peak. Its ascent, via the GR R2 trail, passes through virgin forests before reaching rocky landscapes where sunrise offers a 360° panoramic view of the three cirques. This extinct volcano symbolizes Reunion Island’s geological history, characterized by successive collapses that gave birth to the surrounding cirques.
A UNESCO World Heritage site, the Salazie cirque charms with its lush greenery and hamlets clinging to cliffs. Hell-Bourg, listed among France’s most beautiful villages, delights with its brightly colored Creole houses and picturesque cobblestone streets. The trek to Voile de la Mariée, a famous waterfall, winds through bamboo groves and natural pools perfect for a swim.
Mafate, a preserved haven of tranquility, is accessible only on foot or by helicopter. Places like La Nouvelle or Marla, small villages called "îlets," offer a glimpse into traditional life on Reunion Island. The GR R1 trail, which circles Piton des Neiges, immerses hikers in breathtaking landscapes, alternating between rocky ridges and narrow valleys.
Known for its lentils and wines, Cilaos combines culinary delights with stunning scenery. The healing properties of the thermal springs at Bras-Rouge are highlighted by the trails leading to them, which also offer panoramas like the Col du Taïbit, a privileged access point to Mafate.
This unique spot features pebble beaches, waterfalls by the sea, and a palm forest. Picnickers enjoy its peaceful atmosphere, while local fishermen maintain ancient traditions. Nearby, the Garden of Perfumes and Spices cultivates vanilla, cloves, and turmeric, offering an olfactory experience at the heart of Reunionese agriculture.
Bassin Boeuf, famous for its turquoise waters, is a popular swimming spot, framed by volcanic formations. Further south, the Langevin River creates a series of waterfalls and natural pools, including the famous Trou de Fer, a 300-meter-deep canyon where water cascades in a shimmering curtain.
The island’s capital blends colonial heritage with modernity. The Léon Dierx Museum showcases modern art, while the Grand Marché draws visitors with its spices and local crafts. The Barachois promenade, along the sea, evokes the city’s maritime past with its 18th-century cannons.
The Domaine de Villèle, once a colonial plantation, now houses a museum dedicated to the history of slavery and a geranium distillery. The Chapelle Pointue, with its neo-Gothic style, offers a striking contrast to the brightly colored Tamil temples surrounding it.
The GR R1 and R2 trails are popular with experienced hikers, but more accessible routes like the Piton Maido (2,200 m) are suitable for beginners. The latter offers an unparalleled view of the Mafate cirque at dawn.
The coast of Saint-Gilles offers activities like diving, surfing, and paddleboarding, while ULM flights provide an impressive aerial view of Piton de la Fournaise.
Reunion Island presents itself as a microcosm where every landscape tells a story—geological, cultural, or human. Between the fury of volcanoes and the calm of cirques, between the bustle of markets and the tranquility of natural pools, this destination offers a diverse experience. Travelers are encouraged to mix their activities: morning hikes, cultural visits during the day, and moments of relaxation at dusk. Preserving these wonders relies on responsible tourism, respectful of fragile ecosystems and local communities.
Piton de la Fournaise, which reaches a height of 2,632 meters, is one of the most active volcanoes on our planet. Its frequent eruptions constantly shape the landscape, offering a natural spectacle where burning lava meets the ocean. The trail leading to the Dolomieu crater, though difficult to access, is open to hikers and rewards them with a panorama of vast expanses of solidified lava and volcanic gas emissions. It’s usually best to visit at this time of day to avoid clouds and enjoy the low light that enhances the lunar reliefs.
Volcanic activity has also given rise to unique structures, such as the lava tunnels of Grand Brûlé, where tourists can walk along cooled lava flows. For geology enthusiasts, the site of Cassé de la Rivière de l'Est reveals incredible basaltic organ pipes, testifying to ancient eruptions.
Despite its inactivity, Piton des Neiges (3,071 m) remains the island’s highest peak. Its ascent, via the GR R2 trail, passes through virgin forests before reaching rocky landscapes where sunrise offers a 360° panoramic view of the three cirques. This extinct volcano symbolizes Reunion Island’s geological history, characterized by successive collapses that gave birth to the surrounding cirques.
A UNESCO World Heritage site, the Salazie cirque charms with its lush greenery and hamlets clinging to cliffs. Hell-Bourg, listed among France’s most beautiful villages, delights with its brightly colored Creole houses and picturesque cobblestone streets. The trek to Voile de la Mariée, a famous waterfall, winds through bamboo groves and natural pools perfect for a swim.
Mafate, a preserved haven of tranquility, is accessible only on foot or by helicopter. Places like La Nouvelle or Marla, small villages called "îlets," offer a glimpse into traditional life on Reunion Island. The GR R1 trail, which circles Piton des Neiges, immerses hikers in breathtaking landscapes, alternating between rocky ridges and narrow valleys.
Known for its lentils and wines, Cilaos combines culinary delights with stunning scenery. The healing properties of the thermal springs at Bras-Rouge are highlighted by the trails leading to them, which also offer panoramas like the Col du Taïbit, a privileged access point to Mafate.
This unique spot features pebble beaches, waterfalls by the sea, and a palm forest. Picnickers enjoy its peaceful atmosphere, while local fishermen maintain ancient traditions. Nearby, the Garden of Perfumes and Spices cultivates vanilla, cloves, and turmeric, offering an olfactory experience at the heart of Reunionese agriculture.
Bassin Boeuf, famous for its turquoise waters, is a popular swimming spot, framed by volcanic formations. Further south, the Langevin River creates a series of waterfalls and natural pools, including the famous Trou de Fer, a 300-meter-deep canyon where water cascades in a shimmering curtain.
The island’s capital blends colonial heritage with modernity. The Léon Dierx Museum showcases modern art, while the Grand Marché draws visitors with its spices and local crafts. The Barachois promenade, along the sea, evokes the city’s maritime past with its 18th-century cannons.
The Domaine de Villèle, once a colonial plantation, now houses a museum dedicated to the history of slavery and a geranium distillery. The Chapelle Pointue, with its neo-Gothic style, offers a striking contrast to the brightly colored Tamil temples surrounding it.
The GR R1 and R2 trails are popular with experienced hikers, but more accessible routes like the Piton Maido (2,200 m) are suitable for beginners. The latter offers an unparalleled view of the Mafate cirque at dawn.
The coast of Saint-Gilles offers activities like diving, surfing, and paddleboarding, while ULM flights provide an impressive aerial view of Piton de la Fournaise.
Reunion Island presents itself as a microcosm where every landscape tells a story—geological, cultural, or human. Between the fury of volcanoes and the calm of cirques, between the bustle of markets and the tranquility of natural pools, this destination offers a diverse experience. Travelers are encouraged to mix their activities: morning hikes, cultural visits during the day, and moments of relaxation at dusk. Preserving these wonders relies on responsible tourism, respectful of fragile ecosystems and local communities.
"In one place, in one day, a single deed accomplished,
May hold the theater filled until the end."
- Sunday morning, a chilly dawn - The kitchen - Smell of coffee and toast, a jar of honey on the table.
- Tits pecking at sunflower seeds in the transparent feeder stuck to the window.
- France Musique on the radio: Brahms, violin concerto by the lovely Hilary Hahn - Characters: - An old man in a plush dark blue dressing gown - An old woman in a worn-out duck-blue dressing gown. They dance cheek to cheek, the woman’s head resting on the old man’s broad chest. The old man breathes in the tangled hair of the lady. She smiles. Happy. Tomorrow, they’re off on a trip.
- Sunday morning, a chilly dawn - The kitchen - Smell of coffee and toast, a jar of honey on the table.
- Tits pecking at sunflower seeds in the transparent feeder stuck to the window.
- France Musique on the radio: Brahms, violin concerto by the lovely Hilary Hahn - Characters: - An old man in a plush dark blue dressing gown - An old woman in a worn-out duck-blue dressing gown. They dance cheek to cheek, the woman’s head resting on the old man’s broad chest. The old man breathes in the tangled hair of the lady. She smiles. Happy. Tomorrow, they’re off on a trip.
It’s nighttime and 3 degrees in Tashkent.
Hi there,
Reflection: an act of thought that revisits an object to examine it. The object here is travel (or tourist movement, it doesn’t really matter) and the desire to examine it from the particular angle of the verb that drives it came from reading a sentence by Xrctn in the introduction to his travel journal about Turkmenistan.
Part of that strange category of travelers who like ticking boxes...
Ticking I have no idea how strange that is—I actually get the impression it might be pretty common when I see the diverse mix of trips some people here take. But maybe it’s a different approach that drives these compulsive travelers.
Still, it wouldn’t even occur to me. What does it add?
Connecting Or chaining, assembling, linking. These are my verbs. If I can’t do it—either because finances are tight (I live in one of Europe’s pigsties—a PIIGS country, where the virtuous northern barbarians sent the G&S troika to "nurse us back to health" through austerity, making it all the more pleasant to spend every summer among civilized folks on the terrace of my little white house in Kalymnos overlooking the Aegean), or because I’ve chosen a tricky, unstable direction (Lebanon had to be canceled in summer 2006, Syria too, and Iran right now)—I don’t really feel like traveling. I might just tag along to be nice, but it doesn’t mean anything to me.
If I think about the need behind my verbs—this continuous, meticulous, patient way of traveling—it’s about stripping away sudden, artificial exoticism, weaving small, successive changes, and feeling the presence of the knots too. About understanding, integrating something a little different from the image on a screen.
And you? What’s your guiding verb?
Catherine
Hi there,
Reflection: an act of thought that revisits an object to examine it. The object here is travel (or tourist movement, it doesn’t really matter) and the desire to examine it from the particular angle of the verb that drives it came from reading a sentence by Xrctn in the introduction to his travel journal about Turkmenistan.
Part of that strange category of travelers who like ticking boxes...
Ticking I have no idea how strange that is—I actually get the impression it might be pretty common when I see the diverse mix of trips some people here take. But maybe it’s a different approach that drives these compulsive travelers.
Still, it wouldn’t even occur to me. What does it add?
Connecting Or chaining, assembling, linking. These are my verbs. If I can’t do it—either because finances are tight (I live in one of Europe’s pigsties—a PIIGS country, where the virtuous northern barbarians sent the G&S troika to "nurse us back to health" through austerity, making it all the more pleasant to spend every summer among civilized folks on the terrace of my little white house in Kalymnos overlooking the Aegean), or because I’ve chosen a tricky, unstable direction (Lebanon had to be canceled in summer 2006, Syria too, and Iran right now)—I don’t really feel like traveling. I might just tag along to be nice, but it doesn’t mean anything to me.
If I think about the need behind my verbs—this continuous, meticulous, patient way of traveling—it’s about stripping away sudden, artificial exoticism, weaving small, successive changes, and feeling the presence of the knots too. About understanding, integrating something a little different from the image on a screen.
And you? What’s your guiding verb?
Catherine
I thought I knew the definition, but since VF reopened, I’ve been wondering—so if you could help me out, that’d be great! 🙂.
Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot!
Hello fellow travel enthusiasts! 🌍
As a traveler and blogger, I’ve often been struck by the huge inequalities tied to freedom of movement. While some cross borders with ease, others face major obstacles due to their nationality, background, or the restrictive policies of certain countries.
On the occasion of International Human Rights Day, I wrote an article reflecting on this issue: 📖 Travelers' Rights: A Reflection on Freedom of Movement and Global Inequalities
In this article, I cover topics like:
Inequalities between passports ("strong" vs. "weak" passports). The specific challenges faced by travelers from marginalized communities. How to take action to promote more inclusive and equitable travel.
I’d love to hear your thoughts! 😊 Have you ever experienced these inequalities while traveling? How do you think we could raise more awareness about this issue? Feel free to share your experiences or ask questions in this thread. I can’t wait to discuss this with you!
Travel is also about building bridges between cultures. So let’s make sure it becomes a reality for everyone. ✈️🌎 Thanks for reading, and I look forward to exchanging ideas with you!
On the occasion of International Human Rights Day, I wrote an article reflecting on this issue: 📖 Travelers' Rights: A Reflection on Freedom of Movement and Global Inequalities
In this article, I cover topics like:
Inequalities between passports ("strong" vs. "weak" passports). The specific challenges faced by travelers from marginalized communities. How to take action to promote more inclusive and equitable travel.
I’d love to hear your thoughts! 😊 Have you ever experienced these inequalities while traveling? How do you think we could raise more awareness about this issue? Feel free to share your experiences or ask questions in this thread. I can’t wait to discuss this with you!
Travel is also about building bridges between cultures. So let’s make sure it becomes a reality for everyone. ✈️🌎 Thanks for reading, and I look forward to exchanging ideas with you!
Here’s a little recap of the cities I’ve seen around the world:
- Shanghai: ultra-modern skyscrapers as far as the eye can see on one side, and on the other, families crammed 10 to a 20-square-meter studio in rundown buildings.
- San Francisco: a city with a huge proportion of people who are high and have lost their minds.
- Accra (Ghana): streets so empty you keep wondering where everyone is hiding.
- Delhi: crumbling fortresses and mosques tucked away at every corner—dream territory for budding archaeologists.
- Bangalore: the "Bangaloreans" are true modern-day cowboys—you’ve got to see how rickshaws, motorbikes, and buses try to overtake each other like it’s a PlayStation game.
- Srinagar (in the Kashmir region of northern India): a city where almost every building could pass for a slum (except the mosques), and the only people who don’t look like beggars are the military and the imams.
- Beijing: crowds tightly controlled by the army, and loads of Western tourists asking you on the street where to find Western junk food chains.
- Amritsar (in the Punjab state of India): the city with the world’s only 100% vegetarian McDonald’s.
- Florence: the place where the quality of food varies the most in the world between touristy restaurants and local spots.
- Chennai: a boy and girl holding hands in public is considered absolutely horrifying to locals, who worship a god whose symbol is a sexual element.
- Cambridge (Massachusetts, USA): a city where street names and building numbers aren’t marked (just like in India), and every person you ask for help turns out to be a tourist.
- Boston: the city with the slowest subway in the world—you can almost catch up to it by running.
- Yangon: just a 5-minute boat ride from downtown (no bridge) and you’re suddenly in the middle of the deep countryside.
- Naypyidaw (capital of Myanmar): a ghost town where only one car passes every 5 minutes on the 8-lane highways.
- Kuala Lumpur: Hindu temples, Chinese pagodas, Malay architecture, British colonial buildings, and ultra-modern glass towers all mixed together, making you lose your bearings.
Hi,
I’m starting this thread after a digression that began in the India section and continued in a travel journal about Kerala.
The original topic was whether India is—or isn’t—a nature destination.
I’ll let you all discuss and share your own definition of a nature destination. 🙂
I’m starting this thread after a digression that began in the India section and continued in a travel journal about Kerala.
The original topic was whether India is—or isn’t—a nature destination.
I’ll let you all discuss and share your own definition of a nature destination. 🙂
Hi everyone, after a trip to India last October, I stayed in touch with an Indian guide who speaks French. His dream is to visit France. To get his visa, he told me he needs a letter from me confirming that I met him during my trip to his country and that I’m able to host him. He has other contacts in France, and he mentioned he’s asked them for the same thing. I’m reaching out to see if his request is legitimate or if he’s taking advantage of my kindness. I’m sorry if I offend anyone—it’s not my intention. I’m very spontaneous and don’t want to put myself in a bad situation. Thanks for your feedback. Have a great weekend. Florence/florie73
“Slow travel” is a concept that some tout as a philosophical revolution in travel. But on closer inspection, it’s nothing more than a marketing repackaging of an age-old practice.
This term is wrapped in an aura of intellectualism. It promises to reinvent the experience of travel by valuing slowness, contemplation, and cultural immersion.
The term “slow travel” claims to bring depth to travel, but it often relies on clichés.
Taking your time, meeting locals, avoiding quick visits—these practices have always existed and are nothing revolutionary.
Before the era of airplanes, high-speed trains, and express stays, traveling necessarily meant taking your time. Pilgrims, merchants, and explorers already practiced a form of “slow travel,” without hashtags or self-proclaimed spiritual guides.
Crossing lands on foot or by horse required total immersion in the landscapes, cultures, and unpredictability of the journey. Yet, no one attributed philosophical intentions to them: it was a necessity.
Slow travel, in its current version, may be less a philosophy than a reflection of the contradictions of an affluent class searching for meaning in a world they help overload.
So-called “slow” travel is presented as a privileged way to understand a culture, but this claim is debatable. A region never represents an entire country.
Immersing yourself in a community doesn’t guarantee a complete or more authentic understanding than any other way of traveling.
Slowness in itself doesn’t guarantee depth or ethics. You can immerse yourself in a place over a weekend, just as you can spend months in a country without grasping its subtleties.
By positioning itself as an antidote to “fast” tourism, slow travel fetishizes a temporality that only makes sense if it’s accompanied by real openness and an effort to integrate.
But this over-intellectualization often masks a desire to belong to a trend or a need to stand out socially.
Behind this posture sometimes lies a whim: the urge to reinvent one’s life elsewhere in an idealized form. But this quest for elsewhere remains fundamentally a way to escape or respond to unease, rather than a true commitment to the cultures visited.
When we talk about “encounters” while traveling, we often forget that these exchanges are facilitated by biased contexts. As a traveler, you’re seen as a temporary visitor, unattached, and that changes the dynamic.
Locals, whether curious or used to tourists, adopt a different stance than they would with a neighbor they see daily.
This interaction is also tinged with asymmetry: the traveler has the luxury of time and availability, while in daily life, personal concerns often take precedence over the desire to connect.
The flip side is that the openness displayed while traveling is often a facade. We boast about chatting with a fisherman or sharing a meal with a local family, but how many of these encounters lead to a real understanding of cultural differences or sincere reflection?
Once home, these moments become anecdotes, social trophies to show off, without fundamentally changing our relationship with others in our daily lives.
By imposing a definition, we push people to adapt their practices to fit an idealized model. This can lead to a paradoxical standardization: “slow travel” becomes a checklist of behaviors (meetings, immersion, slowness).
The “bobos” (bourgeois-bohemians), often in search of meaning in a world saturated with options, believe that giving a name to a practice grants it legitimacy or moral value. But this obsession with framing and theorizing travel only drains it of its spontaneity.
Someone who grew up at the crossroads of multiple cultures, on the other hand, doesn’t feel this need. For them, traveling isn’t a philosophical project but an intrinsic part of their life.
The very concept of “slow travel” can seem absurd: why glorify what’s simply natural?
Why try to turn into an ideology what should be a personal, intimate experience, free from semantic constraints?
Ultimately, this need for labeling, this frantic quest to name every gesture, reveals a society craving simplicity.
Travel, in its purest form, doesn’t need justification or slogans. It doesn’t need slowness or speed: it’s simply lived.
Perhaps the real challenge is to unlearn this Western habit of conceptualizing everything that should simply be felt.
For many, travel is a parenthesis, a temporary break from daily life. But if we reject this distinction between “home” and “elsewhere,” every human life becomes a continuous journey through varied environments.
From this perspective, “slow travel” loses all meaning, because living somewhere—whether for a week or five years—is part of the same experience of adaptation.
So, we ask the fans of marketing slogans: is travel a parenthesis or a journey?
“Slow travel” is often driven by a Western eco-bobo ideology, tinged with post-colonial guilt. This discourse promotes a supposedly virtuous way of traveling while forgetting that these practices remain a privilege.
Far from deconstructing power dynamics, it sometimes reinforces them by glorifying a different kind of consumption, still centered on comfort.
There’s also a condescending side to this rhetoric. By idealizing slowness, slow travel advocates imply that those who travel quickly or on a budget are less “authentic” in their approach.
Yet, isn’t that a form of contempt? Do those who leave for a well-deserved week after months of hard work deserve less consideration?
Concepts like “slow travel” or “sustainable tourism” seem hollow when reduced to marketing slogans or standardized behaviors. They confine travel to preconceived frameworks, stripping it of its spontaneous and unpredictable dimension.
Instead of categorizing, it would be more relevant to recognize the plurality of human experiences without trying to define them.
Slow travel doesn’t invent anything. It simply puts into words—and often slogans—what travel has always been for those who practice it with intention.
Maybe we should stop trying to theorize every movement and simply rediscover travel for what it is: a human experience, sometimes slow, sometimes fast, but always personal.
More info on our site
This term is wrapped in an aura of intellectualism. It promises to reinvent the experience of travel by valuing slowness, contemplation, and cultural immersion.
The term “slow travel” claims to bring depth to travel, but it often relies on clichés.
Taking your time, meeting locals, avoiding quick visits—these practices have always existed and are nothing revolutionary.
Before the era of airplanes, high-speed trains, and express stays, traveling necessarily meant taking your time. Pilgrims, merchants, and explorers already practiced a form of “slow travel,” without hashtags or self-proclaimed spiritual guides.
Crossing lands on foot or by horse required total immersion in the landscapes, cultures, and unpredictability of the journey. Yet, no one attributed philosophical intentions to them: it was a necessity.
Slow travel, in its current version, may be less a philosophy than a reflection of the contradictions of an affluent class searching for meaning in a world they help overload.
So-called “slow” travel is presented as a privileged way to understand a culture, but this claim is debatable. A region never represents an entire country.
Immersing yourself in a community doesn’t guarantee a complete or more authentic understanding than any other way of traveling.
Slowness in itself doesn’t guarantee depth or ethics. You can immerse yourself in a place over a weekend, just as you can spend months in a country without grasping its subtleties.
By positioning itself as an antidote to “fast” tourism, slow travel fetishizes a temporality that only makes sense if it’s accompanied by real openness and an effort to integrate.
But this over-intellectualization often masks a desire to belong to a trend or a need to stand out socially.
Behind this posture sometimes lies a whim: the urge to reinvent one’s life elsewhere in an idealized form. But this quest for elsewhere remains fundamentally a way to escape or respond to unease, rather than a true commitment to the cultures visited.
When we talk about “encounters” while traveling, we often forget that these exchanges are facilitated by biased contexts. As a traveler, you’re seen as a temporary visitor, unattached, and that changes the dynamic.
Locals, whether curious or used to tourists, adopt a different stance than they would with a neighbor they see daily.
This interaction is also tinged with asymmetry: the traveler has the luxury of time and availability, while in daily life, personal concerns often take precedence over the desire to connect.
The flip side is that the openness displayed while traveling is often a facade. We boast about chatting with a fisherman or sharing a meal with a local family, but how many of these encounters lead to a real understanding of cultural differences or sincere reflection?
Once home, these moments become anecdotes, social trophies to show off, without fundamentally changing our relationship with others in our daily lives.
By imposing a definition, we push people to adapt their practices to fit an idealized model. This can lead to a paradoxical standardization: “slow travel” becomes a checklist of behaviors (meetings, immersion, slowness).
The “bobos” (bourgeois-bohemians), often in search of meaning in a world saturated with options, believe that giving a name to a practice grants it legitimacy or moral value. But this obsession with framing and theorizing travel only drains it of its spontaneity.
Someone who grew up at the crossroads of multiple cultures, on the other hand, doesn’t feel this need. For them, traveling isn’t a philosophical project but an intrinsic part of their life.
The very concept of “slow travel” can seem absurd: why glorify what’s simply natural?
Why try to turn into an ideology what should be a personal, intimate experience, free from semantic constraints?
Ultimately, this need for labeling, this frantic quest to name every gesture, reveals a society craving simplicity.
Travel, in its purest form, doesn’t need justification or slogans. It doesn’t need slowness or speed: it’s simply lived.
Perhaps the real challenge is to unlearn this Western habit of conceptualizing everything that should simply be felt.
For many, travel is a parenthesis, a temporary break from daily life. But if we reject this distinction between “home” and “elsewhere,” every human life becomes a continuous journey through varied environments.
From this perspective, “slow travel” loses all meaning, because living somewhere—whether for a week or five years—is part of the same experience of adaptation.
So, we ask the fans of marketing slogans: is travel a parenthesis or a journey?
“Slow travel” is often driven by a Western eco-bobo ideology, tinged with post-colonial guilt. This discourse promotes a supposedly virtuous way of traveling while forgetting that these practices remain a privilege.
Far from deconstructing power dynamics, it sometimes reinforces them by glorifying a different kind of consumption, still centered on comfort.
There’s also a condescending side to this rhetoric. By idealizing slowness, slow travel advocates imply that those who travel quickly or on a budget are less “authentic” in their approach.
Yet, isn’t that a form of contempt? Do those who leave for a well-deserved week after months of hard work deserve less consideration?
Concepts like “slow travel” or “sustainable tourism” seem hollow when reduced to marketing slogans or standardized behaviors. They confine travel to preconceived frameworks, stripping it of its spontaneous and unpredictable dimension.
Instead of categorizing, it would be more relevant to recognize the plurality of human experiences without trying to define them.
Slow travel doesn’t invent anything. It simply puts into words—and often slogans—what travel has always been for those who practice it with intention.
Maybe we should stop trying to theorize every movement and simply rediscover travel for what it is: a human experience, sometimes slow, sometimes fast, but always personal.
More info on our site
Reading an excerpt from "The Art of Boring People by Telling Your Travel Stories" by Matthias Debureaux first made me smile, then got me thinking… Are we "travel-bores" with our travel stories?
"Annoying is the one who, like Ulysses, had a wonderful trip. Because for every silver-tongued storyteller with marvelous tales, how many bores and nuisances… The traveler, drunk on grand images and magical encounters, has only one thing on their mind: pelting us with anecdotes, life lessons, and ideals. They’ll paint the most beautiful and distant Edens… the traveler has an endless pharmacy of stories. But nothing is designed to immunize us against travel tales. We should impose a quarantine on returning travelers. At least a dozen hours in a sobering cell. What’s the point? Months, years later, they’ll never miss an opportunity to reminisce. The evocation of their odyssey is a perpetual fireplace fire."
A provocative text, sure, but isn’t the person telling their travel story doing it mostly for themselves? Just to relive the joy of their trip? At friendly gatherings or with family, we sometimes have to endure the enthusiast… without necessarily sharing their passion for the destination!
The advantage of writing—and also of exchanges on sites like VF—is that only those who want to read a story do so… with the option to skip it anytime!
So, what do you think, authors and fans of travel stories published online?
Jean
P.S.: "The Art of Boring People by Telling Your Travel Stories" by Matthias Debureaux, Éditions Cavatines, 2005 Excerpts read in "The Taste of Travel" Éditions Mercure de France, 2008
P.S.: As a little wink… I still invite you to check out my latest travel story about a trip to the Aeolian Islands… see the story and photos by following this link: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4409520;page=unread#unread
I hope I didn’t "bore" you too much with this story 😉
"Annoying is the one who, like Ulysses, had a wonderful trip. Because for every silver-tongued storyteller with marvelous tales, how many bores and nuisances… The traveler, drunk on grand images and magical encounters, has only one thing on their mind: pelting us with anecdotes, life lessons, and ideals. They’ll paint the most beautiful and distant Edens… the traveler has an endless pharmacy of stories. But nothing is designed to immunize us against travel tales. We should impose a quarantine on returning travelers. At least a dozen hours in a sobering cell. What’s the point? Months, years later, they’ll never miss an opportunity to reminisce. The evocation of their odyssey is a perpetual fireplace fire."
A provocative text, sure, but isn’t the person telling their travel story doing it mostly for themselves? Just to relive the joy of their trip? At friendly gatherings or with family, we sometimes have to endure the enthusiast… without necessarily sharing their passion for the destination!
The advantage of writing—and also of exchanges on sites like VF—is that only those who want to read a story do so… with the option to skip it anytime!
So, what do you think, authors and fans of travel stories published online?
Jean
P.S.: "The Art of Boring People by Telling Your Travel Stories" by Matthias Debureaux, Éditions Cavatines, 2005 Excerpts read in "The Taste of Travel" Éditions Mercure de France, 2008
P.S.: As a little wink… I still invite you to check out my latest travel story about a trip to the Aeolian Islands… see the story and photos by following this link: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4409520;page=unread#unread
I hope I didn’t "bore" you too much with this story 😉
For a few years now, it’s become obvious that the typical tourist in Thailand is increasingly "mimile"—I see it every day.
The issue is that Thais know how to adapt and are offering more and more things that appeal to this kind of crowd. That’s why we’re seeing more and more pizzerias and burger joints... Even hotels are proudly displaying up to 5 stars for places that barely deserve 3 by European standards, and this "working-class" crowd is over the moon, totally buying into it!
In short, travelers looking to discover other civilizations and cultures might end up pretty disappointed.
There’s a similar discussion about India, by the way...
I really, really want to go back to China, but since the country is evolving at lightning speed, I’m wondering. I went there nearly 20 years ago. It was already undergoing a lot of changes, slowly but surely, but I still have wonderful memories of the country, which I found so endearing at the time. I visited Beijing, Sichuan, Guangxi, Hainan, and also Tibet by train, then Xinjiang. Now, we’re mainly considering Gansu and Hunan.
It was still possible to get 60-day visas back then, which isn’t the case anymore since they’re now limited to 30 days. But at the same time, the country seems more accessible. Many hotels are open to foreign tourists, sophisticated transport options have developed everywhere, and it’s possible to visit for up to 15 days without a visa... Tourists can easily travel by train or plane, but to reach places "off the beaten path," it seems you need to rent a vehicle with a driver. There used to be plenty of day-trip group tours, but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.
It’s hard to find info on whether certain routes are feasible for independent travel.
From what I’ve gathered here and there, "high tech" has taken over the entire country, the countryside has given way to imposing buildings, cities are increasingly industrialized and polluted—basically, the country has become dehumanized... In short, are there still beautiful places left—dare I say preserved—to see?
Add to this the bad reputation, not always justified, that China suffers from. It seems like the country is being boycotted by travel agencies, as if it’s not "politically correct" to visit. Maybe I’m exaggerating, but I’ve noticed this with French agencies like Nomade, Allibert, etc., which used to offer a wide range of itineraries everywhere, especially in Yunnan. Now, they’ve limited themselves to the classics: Beijing, Xi’an, Shanghai, water towns, or Tibet. Yunnan, Gansu, Qinghai, and many other Chinese provinces are no longer on the menu. Maybe it’s due to COVID...
The destination isn’t exactly a hit on forums either...
So, is it still worth going in 2025? I’d love to hear from those who’ve been there recently. Looking forward to exchanging thoughts on this fascinating destination (from my point of view, of course).
Anne-Claire
I really, really want to go back to China, but since the country is evolving at lightning speed, I’m wondering. I went there nearly 20 years ago. It was already undergoing a lot of changes, slowly but surely, but I still have wonderful memories of the country, which I found so endearing at the time. I visited Beijing, Sichuan, Guangxi, Hainan, and also Tibet by train, then Xinjiang. Now, we’re mainly considering Gansu and Hunan.
It was still possible to get 60-day visas back then, which isn’t the case anymore since they’re now limited to 30 days. But at the same time, the country seems more accessible. Many hotels are open to foreign tourists, sophisticated transport options have developed everywhere, and it’s possible to visit for up to 15 days without a visa... Tourists can easily travel by train or plane, but to reach places "off the beaten path," it seems you need to rent a vehicle with a driver. There used to be plenty of day-trip group tours, but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.
It’s hard to find info on whether certain routes are feasible for independent travel.
From what I’ve gathered here and there, "high tech" has taken over the entire country, the countryside has given way to imposing buildings, cities are increasingly industrialized and polluted—basically, the country has become dehumanized... In short, are there still beautiful places left—dare I say preserved—to see?
Add to this the bad reputation, not always justified, that China suffers from. It seems like the country is being boycotted by travel agencies, as if it’s not "politically correct" to visit. Maybe I’m exaggerating, but I’ve noticed this with French agencies like Nomade, Allibert, etc., which used to offer a wide range of itineraries everywhere, especially in Yunnan. Now, they’ve limited themselves to the classics: Beijing, Xi’an, Shanghai, water towns, or Tibet. Yunnan, Gansu, Qinghai, and many other Chinese provinces are no longer on the menu. Maybe it’s due to COVID...
The destination isn’t exactly a hit on forums either...
So, is it still worth going in 2025? I’d love to hear from those who’ve been there recently. Looking forward to exchanging thoughts on this fascinating destination (from my point of view, of course).
Anne-Claire
Hello,
There’s a big debate among travelers who are attached to India and have been visiting often, regularly, for 15 years or more.
I’ve experienced it—and still do—in every sense of the word, first as a tourist, then from the inside by living there for 12 years. I feel it has changed a lot and continues to change at a dizzying pace, year after year, almost month after month.
It all depends on how you see it, how you visit it, where you stay, etc... North or south, and so on...
The debate is open—no animosity or arguments if opinions differ. Just your own take, your personal experiences, your travel conditions, what you’ve noticed and still notice today... Let’s try to be objective, if possible, though it’s a tough exercise.
Hello, how are you all?
To be honest, this isn't really a "deep" topic—just a quick note to say I'm really happy VoyageForum is finally back up. I hope everyone who contributed to this site is still around, still traveling, and in good health. For my part, travel didn’t really stop despite the COVID crisis.
Looking forward to sharing photos, travel stories, and discussions with all of you again.
Jacques
And I’ll share a photo right away—taken last year in the Vichada region of Colombia, where I’m heading back in 2 weeks.
Welcome back to VF!
Welcome back to VF!
Hi there, I’m currently on Isla Fuerte in the Colombian Caribbean. I ended up here kind of by chance, and I stumbled upon one of the very few hotels that accepts credit cards and has branded itself as an "eco-lodge."
At first, I thought the idea of "environmentally friendly" hotels wasn’t too bad... but now it’s become a full-blown trend, and the clientele at these places almost always fits the same profile: thirty-something, eco-conscious, vegan or vegetarian, working remotely or at least glued to their laptop, morning yoga classes, mate at aperitif, and meditation at the end of the day.
Personally, after visiting a few, I’ve found that everything about them feels fake. I’ve even seen "meditation sessions" with music playing, even though the hotel was in the middle of a forest with all the natural sounds around. There’s also a lot to say about their so-called eco-friendly products in the bathrooms.
The rooms, terraces, etc.—where people used to sit, read, or chat—are now called "social spaces" or co-working zones...
I’m not holding back with these hotels, but my take is that eco-hipsterism is really taking off in the hospitality industry.
What do you fellow travelers think?
At first, I thought the idea of "environmentally friendly" hotels wasn’t too bad... but now it’s become a full-blown trend, and the clientele at these places almost always fits the same profile: thirty-something, eco-conscious, vegan or vegetarian, working remotely or at least glued to their laptop, morning yoga classes, mate at aperitif, and meditation at the end of the day.
Personally, after visiting a few, I’ve found that everything about them feels fake. I’ve even seen "meditation sessions" with music playing, even though the hotel was in the middle of a forest with all the natural sounds around. There’s also a lot to say about their so-called eco-friendly products in the bathrooms.
The rooms, terraces, etc.—where people used to sit, read, or chat—are now called "social spaces" or co-working zones...
I’m not holding back with these hotels, but my take is that eco-hipsterism is really taking off in the hospitality industry.
What do you fellow travelers think?
Ciao a tutti,
Ras le censuré du covid! Et si on causait d'autre chose, hein?
Dans un livre au beau titre, Globe-trotteur en français, Svetski putnik en langue originale bcms (littéralement La Conscience du voyageur) David Albahari, auteur serbe émigré au Canada, place ces mots dans la bouche de l'un des personnages du roman, Daniel Atias, écrivain de l'"ex-pays" invité à une résidence d'artistes à Banff :
Dans son monde, l'Europe,
il n’y a que l’instant présent, et dans cet instant on vit, en fait, pour le passé, que chacun voudrait bien changer, alors qu’ici, s’il ne se trompait point […] l’instant présent n’est que l’antichambre du futur, et le passé reste, comme il se doit, aussi immuable que les montagnes qui nous entourent.
L'ici qu'il évoque est le Nouveau Monde, l'Amérique aux vastes étendues.
La lectrice que je suis avait adhéré à la vision d' Albahari sur l'homme européen, du moins d'un certain âge et curiosité intellectuelle sur sa propre histoire, sur la matière de sa mémoire, Frankenstein couturé de traumatismes mal digérés (comment ne pas entendre aujourd'hui sans masque sur les oreilles les grincements de dents dans l'Egée?) et de quelques rares périodes resplendissantes. Je n'avais eu en revanche aucun point d'appui pour évaluer sa perception du Nord Américain.
Qu'en pensent mes compatriotes européens et les natifs des vastes étendues (pratiquement absents de cette rubrique) ou bourlingueurs attentifs des deux rives de l'Atlantique?
Catherine (qui se dit que son esprit serait peut-être différent, autre texture, autres réflexes, si elle habitait rue des écureuils au lieu de rue d'un général napoléonien syphilitique à quelques pas de la place d'un empereur romain grand massacreur de chrétiens)
PS : pour contextualiser (sans épistémologiser 😇) la citation extraite du livre, voici la critique complète que j'avais écrite de l'ouvrage :
« Ce qui m’inquiétait c’était une chose que je devinais plutôt que je ne la voyais vraiment, une chose qui n’avait pas encore de forme déterminée et ne se rattachait pas davantage à telle ou telle partie de son visage, quelque chose qui du moins à ce moment là n’aurait pas pu être saisi par le dessin, mais qui, telle une ombre, ne cessait de glisser sur ses joues, ses sourcils et l arête de son nez, menaçant de s’y fixer et – la voilà mon inquiétude, de s’y établir à demeure. »
Deux hommes. Un peintre et un écrivain. Un peintre canadien et un écrivain de Belgrade. En cet été 1998, ils sont tout deux invités du Centre des Arts de Banff, artistes en résidence, longue pour le premier, à peine 13 jours pour le second. Le visage de l’auteur fascine le plasticien, qui en scrute les moindres détails, les moindres expressions, et tente dans les heures où ils ne sont pas ensemble de dessiner ses traits, de la simple épure d’une ride à la physionomie complète. Il tente péniblement de faire apparaître une forme qui se dérobe.
Cette passion exclusive et oh combien possessive du peintre envers l’écrivain qui ne la découvrira, en feuilletant le haut paquet de dessins dans un parfait silence, que quelques minutes avant son départ définitif de Banff, est contrariée par l’arrivée d’un troisième homme, un Canadien de Calgary, rejeton d’Ivan Matulić, globe-trotter croate dont les deux artistes ont vu la signature dans une vitrine du Musée d’Histoire naturelle de Banff. L’écrivain et le petit-fils partageant une origine géographique commune et par là même une fraction d’histoire commune, il se noue entre eux une discussion, une entente même, dont le peintre, à son grand regret, se sent exclu.
Le peintre est le narrateur. Narration intime où il relate ses sentiments, les mouvements du groupe, les discussions.
Thé pris au grand hôtel à l’orgueilleuse architecture, conférences au Centre des Arts, cocktail petit doigt en l’air et expression inspirée de rigueur chez le directeur des programmes littéraires, fraîches eaux des torrents et wapitis vaquant, indifférents aux hommes, à leurs occupations. Déambulations plus ou moins rapides selon l’heure et l’humeur dans les rues du Bison, de la Loutre, du Castor…
Les rues ont à Banff des noms d’animaux, le peintre s’attirera la sympathie de Daniel Atias en définissant son identité par la prairie.
Les deux hommes viennent de deux mondes profondément différents. Dans le monde de Daniel Atias dit-il, « il n’y a que l’instant présent, et dans cet instant on vit, en fait, pour le passé, que chacun voudrait bien changer, alors qu’ici, s’il ne se trompait point […] l’instant présent n’est que l’antichambre du futur, et le passé reste, comme il se doit, aussi immuable que les montagnes qui nous entourent. » La réflexion sur le temps, sur l’histoire, sur les relations que les peuples entretiennent avec elle influençant ainsi leur existence, charpente le livre.
Au-delà de la confrontation du rapport au temps, à la mémoire sur les deux rives de l’Atlantique se développe la relation entre des ressortissants de deux camps opposés de l' »ex-pays » comme le nomme l’écrivain qui ne mentionnera jamais ni la « Yougoslavie« , ni encore moins la « Serbie« , discussions intenses, prises de conscience qui réveillent l’espoir assoupi de Daniel Atias. Mais le petit-fils du globe-trotter croate, né dans un pays d’avenir, cédant à l’impulsion de contempler le passé de son ancêtre, de Canadien devenant ainsi Croate, sera empoisonné, à mort, par cette dislocation abyssale de son identité.
En mode mineur, une réflexion sur la nature de la peinture et de la littérature, sur leur façon différente d’appréhender le monde, d’en rendre compte, traverse l’ouvrage.
Le texte est dense, pas de chapitre, pas même d’alinéa. Un bloc de langue, d’idées, de sentiments. Daniel Atias prétend que « le mieux serait encore de lire un seul livre pendant toute sa vie…« . Au vu de l’épaisseur de ces 200 pages, on se dit que si elles n’occupent pas toute une vie, il ne serait sans doute pas inutile de les fréquenter longuement pour en approfondir la compréhension, en déceler le cheminement, en apprécier le système d’échos.
Ras le censuré du covid! Et si on causait d'autre chose, hein?
Dans un livre au beau titre, Globe-trotteur en français, Svetski putnik en langue originale bcms (littéralement La Conscience du voyageur) David Albahari, auteur serbe émigré au Canada, place ces mots dans la bouche de l'un des personnages du roman, Daniel Atias, écrivain de l'"ex-pays" invité à une résidence d'artistes à Banff :
Dans son monde, l'Europe,
il n’y a que l’instant présent, et dans cet instant on vit, en fait, pour le passé, que chacun voudrait bien changer, alors qu’ici, s’il ne se trompait point […] l’instant présent n’est que l’antichambre du futur, et le passé reste, comme il se doit, aussi immuable que les montagnes qui nous entourent.
L'ici qu'il évoque est le Nouveau Monde, l'Amérique aux vastes étendues.
La lectrice que je suis avait adhéré à la vision d' Albahari sur l'homme européen, du moins d'un certain âge et curiosité intellectuelle sur sa propre histoire, sur la matière de sa mémoire, Frankenstein couturé de traumatismes mal digérés (comment ne pas entendre aujourd'hui sans masque sur les oreilles les grincements de dents dans l'Egée?) et de quelques rares périodes resplendissantes. Je n'avais eu en revanche aucun point d'appui pour évaluer sa perception du Nord Américain.
Qu'en pensent mes compatriotes européens et les natifs des vastes étendues (pratiquement absents de cette rubrique) ou bourlingueurs attentifs des deux rives de l'Atlantique?
Catherine (qui se dit que son esprit serait peut-être différent, autre texture, autres réflexes, si elle habitait rue des écureuils au lieu de rue d'un général napoléonien syphilitique à quelques pas de la place d'un empereur romain grand massacreur de chrétiens)
PS : pour contextualiser (sans épistémologiser 😇) la citation extraite du livre, voici la critique complète que j'avais écrite de l'ouvrage :
« Ce qui m’inquiétait c’était une chose que je devinais plutôt que je ne la voyais vraiment, une chose qui n’avait pas encore de forme déterminée et ne se rattachait pas davantage à telle ou telle partie de son visage, quelque chose qui du moins à ce moment là n’aurait pas pu être saisi par le dessin, mais qui, telle une ombre, ne cessait de glisser sur ses joues, ses sourcils et l arête de son nez, menaçant de s’y fixer et – la voilà mon inquiétude, de s’y établir à demeure. »
Deux hommes. Un peintre et un écrivain. Un peintre canadien et un écrivain de Belgrade. En cet été 1998, ils sont tout deux invités du Centre des Arts de Banff, artistes en résidence, longue pour le premier, à peine 13 jours pour le second. Le visage de l’auteur fascine le plasticien, qui en scrute les moindres détails, les moindres expressions, et tente dans les heures où ils ne sont pas ensemble de dessiner ses traits, de la simple épure d’une ride à la physionomie complète. Il tente péniblement de faire apparaître une forme qui se dérobe.
Cette passion exclusive et oh combien possessive du peintre envers l’écrivain qui ne la découvrira, en feuilletant le haut paquet de dessins dans un parfait silence, que quelques minutes avant son départ définitif de Banff, est contrariée par l’arrivée d’un troisième homme, un Canadien de Calgary, rejeton d’Ivan Matulić, globe-trotter croate dont les deux artistes ont vu la signature dans une vitrine du Musée d’Histoire naturelle de Banff. L’écrivain et le petit-fils partageant une origine géographique commune et par là même une fraction d’histoire commune, il se noue entre eux une discussion, une entente même, dont le peintre, à son grand regret, se sent exclu.
Le peintre est le narrateur. Narration intime où il relate ses sentiments, les mouvements du groupe, les discussions.
Thé pris au grand hôtel à l’orgueilleuse architecture, conférences au Centre des Arts, cocktail petit doigt en l’air et expression inspirée de rigueur chez le directeur des programmes littéraires, fraîches eaux des torrents et wapitis vaquant, indifférents aux hommes, à leurs occupations. Déambulations plus ou moins rapides selon l’heure et l’humeur dans les rues du Bison, de la Loutre, du Castor…
Les rues ont à Banff des noms d’animaux, le peintre s’attirera la sympathie de Daniel Atias en définissant son identité par la prairie.
Les deux hommes viennent de deux mondes profondément différents. Dans le monde de Daniel Atias dit-il, « il n’y a que l’instant présent, et dans cet instant on vit, en fait, pour le passé, que chacun voudrait bien changer, alors qu’ici, s’il ne se trompait point […] l’instant présent n’est que l’antichambre du futur, et le passé reste, comme il se doit, aussi immuable que les montagnes qui nous entourent. » La réflexion sur le temps, sur l’histoire, sur les relations que les peuples entretiennent avec elle influençant ainsi leur existence, charpente le livre.
Au-delà de la confrontation du rapport au temps, à la mémoire sur les deux rives de l’Atlantique se développe la relation entre des ressortissants de deux camps opposés de l' »ex-pays » comme le nomme l’écrivain qui ne mentionnera jamais ni la « Yougoslavie« , ni encore moins la « Serbie« , discussions intenses, prises de conscience qui réveillent l’espoir assoupi de Daniel Atias. Mais le petit-fils du globe-trotter croate, né dans un pays d’avenir, cédant à l’impulsion de contempler le passé de son ancêtre, de Canadien devenant ainsi Croate, sera empoisonné, à mort, par cette dislocation abyssale de son identité.
En mode mineur, une réflexion sur la nature de la peinture et de la littérature, sur leur façon différente d’appréhender le monde, d’en rendre compte, traverse l’ouvrage.
Le texte est dense, pas de chapitre, pas même d’alinéa. Un bloc de langue, d’idées, de sentiments. Daniel Atias prétend que « le mieux serait encore de lire un seul livre pendant toute sa vie…« . Au vu de l’épaisseur de ces 200 pages, on se dit que si elles n’occupent pas toute une vie, il ne serait sans doute pas inutile de les fréquenter longuement pour en approfondir la compréhension, en déceler le cheminement, en apprécier le système d’échos.
Bonjour à tous ,
Tout au long de vos voyages vous avez peut être vu ces panneaux atypiques , pour ma part j’aime bien les collectionner . Je vous en propose trois qui concernent la protection animale , peut être en avez vous de toutes sortes sur différents sujets , partageons nos panneaux 😉. .
1 - Espagne , province d’ Albacete , vers la naissance du rio Mundo .

2- Espagne , province d’ Albacete , après une réintroduction du lynx .

3- Espagne , province de Murcia , Sierra Espuna .

Tout au long de vos voyages vous avez peut être vu ces panneaux atypiques , pour ma part j’aime bien les collectionner . Je vous en propose trois qui concernent la protection animale , peut être en avez vous de toutes sortes sur différents sujets , partageons nos panneaux 😉. .
1 - Espagne , province d’ Albacete , vers la naissance du rio Mundo .

2- Espagne , province d’ Albacete , après une réintroduction du lynx .

3- Espagne , province de Murcia , Sierra Espuna .

Bonjour à tous et à toutes,
J'ai entendu sur RFI ce matin un reportage sur les vols pour nulle part... Cela m'a intriguée bien sûr et j'ai cru à une blague puis j'ai réalisé que ce n'en était pas une : https://www.rfi.fr/fr/asie-pacifique/20200914-singapour-vols-vers-nulle-part-sauver-le-secteur-aérien
En gros, il s'agit de monter à bord d'un avion et de faire un petit tour de quelques heures afin de profiter des avantages d'un tel type de transport (vue, service à bord...) avant de revenir à son point de départ.
L'article de RFI parle d'une compagnie singapourienne, celui-ci d'une compagnie taïwanaise : https://www.lunion.fr/id180981/article/2020-08-05/taiwan-une-compagnie-aerienne-propose-des-vols-vers-nulle-part
Ces initiatives rejoignent le concept de staycation - mot-valise composé de stay (« rester ») et de vacation (« vacances ») - pour lequel j'ajoute un lien où vous trouverez différentes et nombreuses façons de voyager en restant chez vous : https://mediatheques.grandorlyseinebievre.fr/default/lart-de-voyager-sans-bouger.aspx?_lg=fr-FR
Ma question est simple : vous faut-il absolument partir sur la route pour éprouver le voyage ou est-ce que certaines des propositions ci-dessus vous conviennent, et lesquelles ?
J'ai entendu sur RFI ce matin un reportage sur les vols pour nulle part... Cela m'a intriguée bien sûr et j'ai cru à une blague puis j'ai réalisé que ce n'en était pas une : https://www.rfi.fr/fr/asie-pacifique/20200914-singapour-vols-vers-nulle-part-sauver-le-secteur-aérien
En gros, il s'agit de monter à bord d'un avion et de faire un petit tour de quelques heures afin de profiter des avantages d'un tel type de transport (vue, service à bord...) avant de revenir à son point de départ.
L'article de RFI parle d'une compagnie singapourienne, celui-ci d'une compagnie taïwanaise : https://www.lunion.fr/id180981/article/2020-08-05/taiwan-une-compagnie-aerienne-propose-des-vols-vers-nulle-part
Ces initiatives rejoignent le concept de staycation - mot-valise composé de stay (« rester ») et de vacation (« vacances ») - pour lequel j'ajoute un lien où vous trouverez différentes et nombreuses façons de voyager en restant chez vous : https://mediatheques.grandorlyseinebievre.fr/default/lart-de-voyager-sans-bouger.aspx?_lg=fr-FR
Ma question est simple : vous faut-il absolument partir sur la route pour éprouver le voyage ou est-ce que certaines des propositions ci-dessus vous conviennent, et lesquelles ?
Bonjour à tous,
Le hasard total de mes "promenades " sur le net m'ont amené à un article du Huffington post qui explique que le centre mémorial d'Auschwitz a été contraint de faire un " rappel à l'ordre " devant la recrudescence des visiteurs ( comme si on visitait en ce lieu ! ) faisant des selfies devant la porte, devant les bâtiments, devant des photos de prisonniers décharnés, sur les rails....
J'ai eu peine à le croire et en regardant sur G images en tapant selfie Auschwitz, j'ai pu constater le summum de la honte ! Déjà, cette mode des selfies m'agace un peu, mais alors là, cela dépasse mon entendement et le respect qui doit prévaloir en ce lieu.
C'était mon " coup de gueule de ce soir,
Respect à vous toutes et tous et bonne soirée.
Le hasard total de mes "promenades " sur le net m'ont amené à un article du Huffington post qui explique que le centre mémorial d'Auschwitz a été contraint de faire un " rappel à l'ordre " devant la recrudescence des visiteurs ( comme si on visitait en ce lieu ! ) faisant des selfies devant la porte, devant les bâtiments, devant des photos de prisonniers décharnés, sur les rails....
J'ai eu peine à le croire et en regardant sur G images en tapant selfie Auschwitz, j'ai pu constater le summum de la honte ! Déjà, cette mode des selfies m'agace un peu, mais alors là, cela dépasse mon entendement et le respect qui doit prévaloir en ce lieu.
C'était mon " coup de gueule de ce soir,
Respect à vous toutes et tous et bonne soirée.
j ai connu un âge d or des voyages en pays etrangers. En gros des annees 1980 aux annees 2000.
avant c était les avions pour les privilégiés, des zones entieres sans hôtels , des chambres et des lits datant du moyen âge et parfois d immenses difficultés pour se comprendre. une bonne partie du monde pour des aventuriers au dos solide et au sommeil facile
apres c est devenu l invasion touristique , les paysages défigurés , la mer souillée , les bourrins en bus et sur paquebots , le tourisme local avec les défauts occidentaux et pas leurs qualités. une bonne partie du monde a vous gâcher le paysage avec leurs minables selfies
Il y a pour tout une période optimale. Avant c est trop tôt, apres ca devient difficile. Ce n est pas Voyagesforum qui me contredira........
avant c était les avions pour les privilégiés, des zones entieres sans hôtels , des chambres et des lits datant du moyen âge et parfois d immenses difficultés pour se comprendre. une bonne partie du monde pour des aventuriers au dos solide et au sommeil facile
apres c est devenu l invasion touristique , les paysages défigurés , la mer souillée , les bourrins en bus et sur paquebots , le tourisme local avec les défauts occidentaux et pas leurs qualités. une bonne partie du monde a vous gâcher le paysage avec leurs minables selfies
Il y a pour tout une période optimale. Avant c est trop tôt, apres ca devient difficile. Ce n est pas Voyagesforum qui me contredira........
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