I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Migrations des homosapiens
by Mohikan
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
non, ce st le message qui s est affiche bizarrement, sans aller a la ligne, je vais corriger ca.
mohikan, une bonne chanson de brassens:
"...non les braves gens n aiment pas que,
l on suive une autre route qu eux.....tout le monde viendra me voir pendu,
sauf les aveugles, bien entendu!"
Quelque soient les divergences de points de vue, je trouve ca vachement sain d avoir quelqu un comme mohikan dans cette discussion.Vous etes bien severes toi et deedou je trouve.Pas dans vos opinions, mais dans votre facon de lui rentrer dedans qui est injustifiee.Parfois des gens le merite, (et moi en 1er), car parfois je m emballe.Mais ce mec sans parler de ces iddees, on voit bien que c est quelqu un de gentil, perche sur une jolie planete, et pour qui la nature est plus importante que l homme.Et la dessus je suis d accord...la nature ne triche pas, et elle ne nous a rien demande...Tous ces trucs ou organismes crees pour sauver tel ou tel chose dans la nature...he bien si on y avait pas touche on en serai pas la...Je sais qu a ma maniere je suis aussi complice de tout ca.Mais je sais que spirituellement, se reveiller avec le soleil, le vent, et vivre la plupart du temps comme j en ai la chance pieds nus, ca vaut toutes les richesses du mondes...Ca nous eloigne des cons, ca nous lave le cerveau, ca nous ramenne a ce que nous sommes vraiment...des habitants de cette planete, qui ne savent plus ce qu ils sont depuis longtemps....des terriens qui ont cree ce paradoxe, de trouver des remedes, de rallonger la vie, d attenuer la souffrance, de trouver des vaccins, bref le beau cote de la science et de la connaissance......Et de l autre cote, d inventer des armes toujours plus horribles, pour tuer plus, faire souffrir plus, de mettre en place un systeme de marchands qui enfonce toujours les plus faibles dans la misere, et engraisse des gens qui ne pense plus qu a leur fric et qui creveront millionnaires....Ce que je veux dire c est que mohikan ne merite pas cette agressivite.La contradiction, certainement, mais franchement, je trouve qu on manque de gens comme lui....Et si comme les autres, ils ne peut pas apporter de solution a chaque fois, il appote un peu de poesie, et franchement ca peut faire du mal a qui...Alors soyez un peu plus cool.....Namaste on shanti om
de mon coté je ne suis pas vraiment pour le "developpemment" durable, car développement c'est encore vouloir la croissance, et "croitre" c'est envahir encore et toujours la terre et la nature, et la liberté... je serais plus pour la "vie durable", equilibre, décroissance ou "homeostasie" si possible, mais pas "developpement matériel" encore...car la planète n'est pas infinie, mais limitée, et vouloir toujours "developper" les sociétés des humains, c'est encore et toujours la surpopulation, la destruction de forets et autres espaces encore libre
mais biensur la plupart des humains sont tellement égoistes, avides et prolifiques que plus rares sont ceux qui voudront lacher le morceau..., et pourtant "aimer vraiment", c'est d'abord respecter la liberté, tout ce qui vit, de tous les etres, de la terre y compris
mais ca les "wasitchus", la pluspart ne l'ont jamais compris
🤪 .... C'est quoi déjà le sujet du topic ...... ? 😏 parceque là je commence un peu à être perdu ....... 🏴☠️
Euh...au début c'est un mec un peu (même beaucoup) paumé qui par le thème des migrations d'été en est venu à tous nous pourrir : à nous traiter d'égoïstes et de profiteurs...et même à qualifier dans son premier poste les femmes de "femelles vont afficher leurs hormones fecondables dans le but de s'accoupler a la chaine, et pour certaines se faire engrosser"...
Je comprends même pas que ça n'ai pas été censuré...et question censure..je m'y connais...😎
Euh...au début c'est un mec un peu (même beaucoup) paumé qui par le thème des migrations d'été en est venu à tous nous pourrir : à nous traiter d'égoïstes et de profiteurs...et même à qualifier dans son premier poste les femmes de "femelles vont afficher leurs hormones fecondables dans le but de s'accoupler a la chaine, et pour certaines se faire engrosser"...
Je comprends même pas que ça n'ai pas été censuré...et question censure..je m'y connais...😎
😉 ..... Okay, rien de bien grave alors, du moins pour les égoistes et profiteurs ..... que du quotidien français mis à la sauce mohikane ..... ! 😛
Me voilà rassuré, car à en lire certains je commencais à entrevoir un lynchage pour mohikaneries subversives et tendancieuses pouvant amener l'humanité à faire basculer son conscient dans une douce folie venue d'un autre monde ......
😮 ..... et si il avait raison ...... !
😏 ...... je vous met le doute là ...... !!
Me voilà rassuré, car à en lire certains je commencais à entrevoir un lynchage pour mohikaneries subversives et tendancieuses pouvant amener l'humanité à faire basculer son conscient dans une douce folie venue d'un autre monde ......
😮 ..... et si il avait raison ...... !
😏 ...... je vous met le doute là ...... !!
En v’la un autre qui aime la nature et pas les hommes! Un autre qui prête toute les vertus à mémère nature. Il s’agit bien d’une attitude propre à notre époque : ‘’regardez-moi, j’adore la nature, je juge mon espèce, le progrès qu’elle engendre, je suis pour le retour aux sources, je jette mes godasses et vais pieds nus’’…. et patati et patata.
Prêter des sentiments à la nature (bonté, grandeur d’âme, sagesse) est à la mode et permet de se disculper du moindre geste quotidien qu’entache nos interventions. C’est l’attitude des Jésuites et autres curés modernes: ne faîtes pas ce que je fait, faîtes ce que je dit.
J’ai remarqué dans ton profil, filsdusoleil, que tu aspires avoir une maison dans les Pyrénées. Un rêve que je te souhaite. En seulement vas-tu demander la permission à la nature? Parce que là tu t’apprêtes à commettre une erreur, toi l’amant de la nature. Tu vas faire un accroc à la nature Pyrénéennes : défricher un emplacement (adieux herbes, plantes sauvages, buissons et broussailles qui poussaient de joies au soleil), béton pour les assises (quoi de plus ‘’naturel’’ que du béton dans les Pyrénées!), couper des arbres qui gênent à l’emplacement (sûrement que tu vas demander aux arbres leurs avis, c’est à dire finir leurs jours en bois de charpente et feux de foyer!), produire du monoxyde de carbone (le bucolique feu de foyer) là ou il n’y avait qu’air pur et gazouillis d’oiseaux, piétiner insectes, détruire des galeries souterraines de rongeurs (occuper un lieu autrefois dévolue à ta chère nature).
En somme tu vas te créer une petit chez-soi douillet et ânonner que tu vis en harmonie avec la nature, que tu la respecte et admire. Puis viendront d’autres de tes congénères, dix, cinquante, mille qui voudront tout comme toi bâtir leurs nids. Et là rien n’ira plus. Un beau matin tu découvriras que ce qui était bien pour toi ne l’est plus pour les autres. Ah les autres! Tous des cons. Incapable de respecter la nature!
Et la dessus je suis d accord...la nature ne triche pas, et elle ne nous a rien demande...Tous ces trucs ou organismes crees pour sauver tel ou tel chose dans la nature...he bien si on y avait pas touche on en serai pas la...Je sais qu a ma maniere je suis aussi complice de tout ca.Mais je sais que spirituellement, se reveiller avec le soleil, le vent, et vivre la plupart du temps comme j en ai la chance pieds nus, ca vaut toutes les richesses du mondes...Ca nous eloigne des cons, ca nous lave le cerveau, ca nous ramenne a ce que nous sommes vraiment...des habitants de cette planete, qui ne savent plus ce qu ils sont depuis longtemps....
Encore un autre qui semble savoir ce que nous ‘’devrions’’ être.
Me semble qu’une grotte, une caverne ‘’naturelle’’ dans les Pyrénées serait plus dans le sens de ta logique. Histoire de ne pas trop malmener ta si admirable Nature.
Une attitude typiquement Mohikannienne : exiger que ‘’sa’’ vérité mériterait qu’elle soit universellement appliquée. C’est un peu ma définition de la dictature.
DeCléricy
Prêter des sentiments à la nature (bonté, grandeur d’âme, sagesse) est à la mode et permet de se disculper du moindre geste quotidien qu’entache nos interventions. C’est l’attitude des Jésuites et autres curés modernes: ne faîtes pas ce que je fait, faîtes ce que je dit.
J’ai remarqué dans ton profil, filsdusoleil, que tu aspires avoir une maison dans les Pyrénées. Un rêve que je te souhaite. En seulement vas-tu demander la permission à la nature? Parce que là tu t’apprêtes à commettre une erreur, toi l’amant de la nature. Tu vas faire un accroc à la nature Pyrénéennes : défricher un emplacement (adieux herbes, plantes sauvages, buissons et broussailles qui poussaient de joies au soleil), béton pour les assises (quoi de plus ‘’naturel’’ que du béton dans les Pyrénées!), couper des arbres qui gênent à l’emplacement (sûrement que tu vas demander aux arbres leurs avis, c’est à dire finir leurs jours en bois de charpente et feux de foyer!), produire du monoxyde de carbone (le bucolique feu de foyer) là ou il n’y avait qu’air pur et gazouillis d’oiseaux, piétiner insectes, détruire des galeries souterraines de rongeurs (occuper un lieu autrefois dévolue à ta chère nature).
En somme tu vas te créer une petit chez-soi douillet et ânonner que tu vis en harmonie avec la nature, que tu la respecte et admire. Puis viendront d’autres de tes congénères, dix, cinquante, mille qui voudront tout comme toi bâtir leurs nids. Et là rien n’ira plus. Un beau matin tu découvriras que ce qui était bien pour toi ne l’est plus pour les autres. Ah les autres! Tous des cons. Incapable de respecter la nature!
Et la dessus je suis d accord...la nature ne triche pas, et elle ne nous a rien demande...Tous ces trucs ou organismes crees pour sauver tel ou tel chose dans la nature...he bien si on y avait pas touche on en serai pas la...Je sais qu a ma maniere je suis aussi complice de tout ca.Mais je sais que spirituellement, se reveiller avec le soleil, le vent, et vivre la plupart du temps comme j en ai la chance pieds nus, ca vaut toutes les richesses du mondes...Ca nous eloigne des cons, ca nous lave le cerveau, ca nous ramenne a ce que nous sommes vraiment...des habitants de cette planete, qui ne savent plus ce qu ils sont depuis longtemps....
Encore un autre qui semble savoir ce que nous ‘’devrions’’ être.
Me semble qu’une grotte, une caverne ‘’naturelle’’ dans les Pyrénées serait plus dans le sens de ta logique. Histoire de ne pas trop malmener ta si admirable Nature.
Une attitude typiquement Mohikannienne : exiger que ‘’sa’’ vérité mériterait qu’elle soit universellement appliquée. C’est un peu ma définition de la dictature.
DeCléricy
J’en appelle à vous ô Muses
Où tant ma vie passe et s’use
Qu’encore et toujours j’aime
Mes soeurs Galère et Bohème
Mais ! Justement ! Il a raison dans la grande partie de son discours !
Ce qui est assez dérisoire, en tous cas à mes yeux, c'est qu'il ressasse, remâche, rabâche, passe et repasse et nous lasse avec un discours on ne peut plus convenu et qu'il se prend pour un " rebelle novateur ".
Tu en connais toi des gens qui disent que l'amour vaut moins que la haine, des gens qui disent ne pas vouloir être libres et ne pas laisser les autres libres ? Des gens qui de nos jours disent vive le gaspillage et l'hyper consommation ? Moi, personnellement, je n'en connais pas.
La grande majorité des gens aujourd'hui et depuis bien des années est convaincue absolument de ce dont il nous rebat les yeux depuis presque six cents messages, beaucoup essayent de régler leurs vies sur ces convictions et de vivre aussi bien que possible leur idéal de vie malgré la contingence dans laquelle nous nous trouvons. Ils n'éprouvent pas pour autant le besoin d'éreinter les "femelles d'homo sapiens " ni de condamner le reste de l'humanité en la pensant, sans doute au nom du grand amour qu'il lui porte, plus bestiale que des porcs. ( Si, si, que des porcs, c'est perdu dans un des épisodes de ce post à rallonges )
Tiens et puisque j'y pense, lui qui nous reproche tant et tant de consommer, probablement les mêmes choses que lui, à quelque chose près, je suppose que si ce post n'est pas modéré malgré qu'il n'ait rien à voir avec VF, c'est probablement parce qu'à cause de son succès, il intéresse énormément les annonceurs qui comme chacun le sait annoncent dans l'espoir de vendre donc de nous faire consommer . L'ennemi public des "migrations d'homo sapiens " justement, travaille depuis 15 jours à sa promotion.
Mohikanieries ? Oui, à n'en pas douter. Encore que ce n'est pas gentil pour les ânes .
Ce qui est assez dérisoire, en tous cas à mes yeux, c'est qu'il ressasse, remâche, rabâche, passe et repasse et nous lasse avec un discours on ne peut plus convenu et qu'il se prend pour un " rebelle novateur ".
Tu en connais toi des gens qui disent que l'amour vaut moins que la haine, des gens qui disent ne pas vouloir être libres et ne pas laisser les autres libres ? Des gens qui de nos jours disent vive le gaspillage et l'hyper consommation ? Moi, personnellement, je n'en connais pas.
La grande majorité des gens aujourd'hui et depuis bien des années est convaincue absolument de ce dont il nous rebat les yeux depuis presque six cents messages, beaucoup essayent de régler leurs vies sur ces convictions et de vivre aussi bien que possible leur idéal de vie malgré la contingence dans laquelle nous nous trouvons. Ils n'éprouvent pas pour autant le besoin d'éreinter les "femelles d'homo sapiens " ni de condamner le reste de l'humanité en la pensant, sans doute au nom du grand amour qu'il lui porte, plus bestiale que des porcs. ( Si, si, que des porcs, c'est perdu dans un des épisodes de ce post à rallonges )
Tiens et puisque j'y pense, lui qui nous reproche tant et tant de consommer, probablement les mêmes choses que lui, à quelque chose près, je suppose que si ce post n'est pas modéré malgré qu'il n'ait rien à voir avec VF, c'est probablement parce qu'à cause de son succès, il intéresse énormément les annonceurs qui comme chacun le sait annoncent dans l'espoir de vendre donc de nous faire consommer . L'ennemi public des "migrations d'homo sapiens " justement, travaille depuis 15 jours à sa promotion.
Mohikanieries ? Oui, à n'en pas douter. Encore que ce n'est pas gentil pour les ânes .
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Ah voilà, donc vous arrivez à poser vos discours et à penser qu'en fait il a raison ( je schématise bien sûr ...... ) mais qu'il est là en tant que prêcheur et que son discours serait semblable à ces prédicateurs d'Outre Atlantique qui tentent de rassembler les infidèles dans de grandes messes afin de leur montrer le vrai chemin .......
C'est un peu celà, non ..... ?
Mais il y a un problème .... et de taille !!!! c'est que c'est vous qui lui apportait de l'eau à son moulin, et c'est vous qui donnez les éléments propres à canaliser les lecteurs sur ce qu'il raconte, car de par vos réponses à ces " mohikaneries " vous lui créez encore plus d'espace pour imposer aux yeux de tous sa prêche ......
Moi, je ne lui donne toujours pas tous les torts ..... j'admet que ça commence à faire long, et que de la sympathie de départ, je commence à avoir la lassitude de ceux qui voyent là le début d'une " dictature douce " ( c'est toujours le début ) propre à en égarer plus d'un ..... et je dis, à chacun sa folie, à chacun le droit d'en parler, mais en aucun cas de vouloir essayer de l'imposer ...... même sans le vouloir mohikan ..... ! 😉
Et si tout simplement vous ne répondiez plus aux messages de mohikan ......
C'est un peu celà, non ..... ?
Mais il y a un problème .... et de taille !!!! c'est que c'est vous qui lui apportait de l'eau à son moulin, et c'est vous qui donnez les éléments propres à canaliser les lecteurs sur ce qu'il raconte, car de par vos réponses à ces " mohikaneries " vous lui créez encore plus d'espace pour imposer aux yeux de tous sa prêche ......
Moi, je ne lui donne toujours pas tous les torts ..... j'admet que ça commence à faire long, et que de la sympathie de départ, je commence à avoir la lassitude de ceux qui voyent là le début d'une " dictature douce " ( c'est toujours le début ) propre à en égarer plus d'un ..... et je dis, à chacun sa folie, à chacun le droit d'en parler, mais en aucun cas de vouloir essayer de l'imposer ...... même sans le vouloir mohikan ..... ! 😉
Et si tout simplement vous ne répondiez plus aux messages de mohikan ......
Moi, je ne lui donne toujours pas tous les torts ..... .
Moi non plus ça fait même un nombre incroyable de messages que nous le lui expliquons les uns et les autres chacun à notre manière.
Moi non plus ça fait même un nombre incroyable de messages que nous le lui expliquons les uns et les autres chacun à notre manière.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Ah voilà, donc vous arrivez à poser vos discours et à penser qu'en fait il a raison ( je schématise bien sûr ...... )
Ce n'est pas vraiment qu'il a raison. Tu connais l'histoire du singe qu'on laisse devant une machine à écrire jusqu'à la fin des temps, avec autant d'encre et de papier que nécessaire ? Il va taper des caractères au hasard. Ca donnera des pages et des pages de charabia : "dghrte ffEGefre;;..." Mais de temps en temps, par hasard, des mots sortiront, et même des textes cohérents. La plupart du temps, ce seront les mots les plus simples, les plus évidents à écrire : "de", "la", "non", etc...
Mohikan, c'est un peu le même principe. Dans ses textes (sans aucun saut de ligne ni ponctuation), il y a quelques vérités évidentes, aussi évidentes que les mots "de" et "non" : les vérités dont parlait catherineGil, l'amour, la liberté, l'environnement... Mais le problème, c'est que tout cela est noyé dans un discours incohérent et répétitif, farci de sophismes, un peu illisible.
Ce n'est pas vraiment qu'il a raison. Tu connais l'histoire du singe qu'on laisse devant une machine à écrire jusqu'à la fin des temps, avec autant d'encre et de papier que nécessaire ? Il va taper des caractères au hasard. Ca donnera des pages et des pages de charabia : "dghrte ffEGefre;;..." Mais de temps en temps, par hasard, des mots sortiront, et même des textes cohérents. La plupart du temps, ce seront les mots les plus simples, les plus évidents à écrire : "de", "la", "non", etc...
Mohikan, c'est un peu le même principe. Dans ses textes (sans aucun saut de ligne ni ponctuation), il y a quelques vérités évidentes, aussi évidentes que les mots "de" et "non" : les vérités dont parlait catherineGil, l'amour, la liberté, l'environnement... Mais le problème, c'est que tout cela est noyé dans un discours incohérent et répétitif, farci de sophismes, un peu illisible.
Hep Nakata, tu en penses quoi ?
Eh ben, qu'est-ce qu'on parle de moi ici ! J'étais absent quelques jour, pour cause de petit voyage à Dinan :


Bon alors, qu'est-ce que j'en pense ? Ben euh, les strings, je trouve ça moche, même sur une belle fille. Je suis plus friands de décoletés plongeants, et c'est vrai que dans mes chères ruelles de Bouffay, ces derniers mois, on est servis ! 😊
Bon OK OK, j'arrête de dire des conneries... 😏
Eh ben, qu'est-ce qu'on parle de moi ici ! J'étais absent quelques jour, pour cause de petit voyage à Dinan :


Bon alors, qu'est-ce que j'en pense ? Ben euh, les strings, je trouve ça moche, même sur une belle fille. Je suis plus friands de décoletés plongeants, et c'est vrai que dans mes chères ruelles de Bouffay, ces derniers mois, on est servis ! 😊
Bon OK OK, j'arrête de dire des conneries... 😏
Tu n’es pas une énigme Mohikan mais une expérience, une enquête. Derrière ton pseudo se cache une étude sociologique, une recherche universitaire ou quelque chose de semblable. Une thèse cherchant à illustrer quels sont les thèmes récurrents qui déclenchent la polémique sur des forums de discussions.
Oui, ça, c'est devenu rapidement évident, mais bon, c'est pas mal de jouer le jeu, et d'analyser/démonter un discours qui n'en existe pas moins chez certaines personnes.
Tiens, un truc qui devrait t'intéresser, et qui recoupe certains de tes propos. J'ai appris, aujourd'hui, que l'une des grandes catastrophes écologiques dues à l'homme est bien antérieure à la civilisation actuelle. Ce fut la destruction d'une grande partie de la forêt primaire, il y a quelques millénaires, détruite et brûlée par les néolithiques. Encore un sale coup pour le mythe du bon sauvage.
Oui, ça, c'est devenu rapidement évident, mais bon, c'est pas mal de jouer le jeu, et d'analyser/démonter un discours qui n'en existe pas moins chez certaines personnes.
Tiens, un truc qui devrait t'intéresser, et qui recoupe certains de tes propos. J'ai appris, aujourd'hui, que l'une des grandes catastrophes écologiques dues à l'homme est bien antérieure à la civilisation actuelle. Ce fut la destruction d'une grande partie de la forêt primaire, il y a quelques millénaires, détruite et brûlée par les néolithiques. Encore un sale coup pour le mythe du bon sauvage.
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pour nakata, tu aurais "presque raison " sauf que le "neolithique" est justement la periode où "la vie des bons sauvages" n'est deja plus vraiment ca... lol
Parceque le mythe des bons sauvages, correspond avant tout a "l'ère des chasseurs, cueilleurs, ou pecheurs-collecteurs" nomades (qui est surtout nommé "paleolithique" avant le "neo"lithique (logique lol), ou semi nomades, ou sédentaires ou pas mais n'ayant encore créer de "systèmes trop importants", comme l'agriculture intensive, (plutot qu'extensive des pasteurs nomades) ni d'elevages "officiels", ni de grands monuments, cités, villes et autres
donc (à mon sens) le mythe du bon sauvage (qu'on retrouve aussi dans "vendredi ou la vie sauvage") se rapproche plus de la vie de vendredi sur l'ile de robinson (peches et cueillettes libres), donc du paleolithique, plutot que du neolithique qui correspond plus a la première attitude envers la nature de robinson (comme du mode occidental en general actuel ) une fois arrivé sur l'ile : gerer les ressources, cultiver beaucoup, parquer les brebis, contruire un maison en défrichant, cloturant etc...
ce qui est l'inverse du mode de vie de vendredi (et des peuples "sauvages" comme on les appelle en general) qui ne font souvent qu'efleurer la terre, sans rien lui imposer, ni laisser de traces dessus
ensuite pour le reste, vous me pretez des intentions que je n'ai pas du tout... car mon message initial (assez rebelle ou direct ou "dégouté" sur certaines choses je te l'accorde) n'est pas du tout une intention de "precher" quoi que ce soit... lol au contraire, vois plutot ca comme un "message libre", ou bouteille a la mer, sans pretention, que de donner mon avis (parfois), mais je suis surement un des derniers qui chercheraient a "recruter ou precher " ou convaincre des gens, d'adherer a ma vision des choses, encore moins vouloir créer un "nouveau mouvement", sectaire, rebelle ou autre... lol parceque justement, faisant plus parti des "reveurs réservés solitaires", je n'ai jamais eu l'esprit gregaire (je n'y suis pas a ma place, et j'essaye justement de "trouver ma voie personnelle" et libre, seul, ou a deux parfois peut-etre, mais rien de plus sans qu'on vienne m'ennuyer ) et de plus "créer des mouvements" ou vouloir "precher" pour avoir des "disciples (j'aime pas du tout ce mot lol) ou autres, c'est l'inverse de mon but (en fait je n'en ai pas, a part donner mon point de vue, c'est tout) donc de meme que je n'aime pas "suivre des meneurs, professeurs, dictateurs ou autres", je n'aime pas du tout non plus en etre un pour les autres (je n'ai jamais eu l'esprit "d'etre un chef", et ni d'en suivre d'ailleurs Chacun fait ce qu'il veut de mes messages, y compris les effacer ou ne pas les lire, ca n'a aucune importance pour moi
mais de mon coté, j'aime avant tout la paix, tranquilité, et ma liberté (dans le respect des autres toujours, qu'ils soient humains, animaux, vegetaux, la nature en general) et c'etait justement un "message pour la nature" à la base, pas pour mon interet personnel, au contraire
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donc (à mon sens) le mythe du bon sauvage (qu'on retrouve aussi dans "vendredi ou la vie sauvage") se rapproche plus de la vie de vendredi sur l'ile de robinson (peches et cueillettes libres), donc du paleolithique, plutot que du neolithique qui correspond plus a la première attitude envers la nature de robinson (comme du mode occidental en general actuel ) une fois arrivé sur l'ile : gerer les ressources, cultiver beaucoup, parquer les brebis, contruire un maison en défrichant, cloturant etc...
ce qui est l'inverse du mode de vie de vendredi (et des peuples "sauvages" comme on les appelle en general) qui ne font souvent qu'efleurer la terre, sans rien lui imposer, ni laisser de traces dessus
ensuite pour le reste, vous me pretez des intentions que je n'ai pas du tout... car mon message initial (assez rebelle ou direct ou "dégouté" sur certaines choses je te l'accorde) n'est pas du tout une intention de "precher" quoi que ce soit... lol au contraire, vois plutot ca comme un "message libre", ou bouteille a la mer, sans pretention, que de donner mon avis (parfois), mais je suis surement un des derniers qui chercheraient a "recruter ou precher " ou convaincre des gens, d'adherer a ma vision des choses, encore moins vouloir créer un "nouveau mouvement", sectaire, rebelle ou autre... lol parceque justement, faisant plus parti des "reveurs réservés solitaires", je n'ai jamais eu l'esprit gregaire (je n'y suis pas a ma place, et j'essaye justement de "trouver ma voie personnelle" et libre, seul, ou a deux parfois peut-etre, mais rien de plus sans qu'on vienne m'ennuyer ) et de plus "créer des mouvements" ou vouloir "precher" pour avoir des "disciples (j'aime pas du tout ce mot lol) ou autres, c'est l'inverse de mon but (en fait je n'en ai pas, a part donner mon point de vue, c'est tout) donc de meme que je n'aime pas "suivre des meneurs, professeurs, dictateurs ou autres", je n'aime pas du tout non plus en etre un pour les autres (je n'ai jamais eu l'esprit "d'etre un chef", et ni d'en suivre d'ailleurs Chacun fait ce qu'il veut de mes messages, y compris les effacer ou ne pas les lire, ca n'a aucune importance pour moi
mais de mon coté, j'aime avant tout la paix, tranquilité, et ma liberté (dans le respect des autres toujours, qu'ils soient humains, animaux, vegetaux, la nature en general) et c'etait justement un "message pour la nature" à la base, pas pour mon interet personnel, au contraire
voila
« L'amour c'est d'abord respecter la liberté des autres êtres, là où il y a désir personnel, il n'y a pas d'amour. La terre n'appartient pas à l'homme, l'homme appartient à la terre »
Ton message pour la nature est denué de sens !!!
N'est-ce pas la nature qui a doté Sapiens de ses facultés, entre autre celle de maitriser son environnement, donc son avenir, et ceci dans le seul but de perdurer ? dans ce cas, la nature n'est elle pas responsable de ses deboires ?
N'est-ce pas la nature qui a doté Sapiens de ses facultés, entre autre celle de maitriser son environnement, donc son avenir, et ceci dans le seul but de perdurer ? dans ce cas, la nature n'est elle pas responsable de ses deboires ?
Je ne crois pas que la nature soit "responsable" de ce qu'en fait l'homme ensuite, pas plus que des parents sont "responsables" completement de ce que font ou feront leurs enfants, (en bien ou pas), comme ceux qui deviennent delinquants, "citoyens sympas et biens", ou malhonnetes etc...
Pas plus que si on suppose que "dieu existe" en tant "qu'Eternité" et source de toutes vies dans l'univers, comme le dit une citation, "il ne faut pas mettre pour autant sur le compte de "dieu", ce qui est de la faute des hommes"... (guerres, violence, égoisme, irrespect envers la nature etc)
Ce que tu dis justement sur le fait que "la nature" ait fait l'homme "pour maitriser son environnement", le dominer, s'imposer parfois, n'est pas à mon sens une chose "certaine ou vrai", (ca aussi c'est un concept, une croyance, mais pas le reflet de la réalité forcement, est-ce que "la Nature" a dit que l'homme etait apparu en elle "pour la dominer et la maitriser" ? non c'est toujours l'humain qui "s'arroge" le droit de repondre a sa place (souvent ce qui l'arrange ), mais la "nature", ne "dit" rien de tout ca quant a elle) et d'ailleurs le fait de "croire que le role de l'homme est de maitriser ou dominer la terre", c'est une des choses je crois qu'on dit ou affirme souvent (par interet logiquement souvent) dans le "capitalisme, " "l"égoisme ou athéisme" actuel et aussi dans la bible ou d'autres croyances (occidentales surtout) (mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec ca lol, justement), j'ai plutot l'avis par exemple de la vision de la vie des amerindiens (d'origine) qui dans leur vision des choses, se considéraient comme faisant partie de la Nature, comme tous les etres vivants, ni superieur ni inferieur, et qu'il devait vivre en harmonie en respectant tout ce qui vit, sans s'imposer ni rien, pour eux ils ne sont que passagers ou invités sur terre, pour un séjour, et devait repartir "humblement" en la laissant comme ils l'avaient trouvé
Pas plus que si on suppose que "dieu existe" en tant "qu'Eternité" et source de toutes vies dans l'univers, comme le dit une citation, "il ne faut pas mettre pour autant sur le compte de "dieu", ce qui est de la faute des hommes"... (guerres, violence, égoisme, irrespect envers la nature etc)
Ce que tu dis justement sur le fait que "la nature" ait fait l'homme "pour maitriser son environnement", le dominer, s'imposer parfois, n'est pas à mon sens une chose "certaine ou vrai", (ca aussi c'est un concept, une croyance, mais pas le reflet de la réalité forcement, est-ce que "la Nature" a dit que l'homme etait apparu en elle "pour la dominer et la maitriser" ? non c'est toujours l'humain qui "s'arroge" le droit de repondre a sa place (souvent ce qui l'arrange ), mais la "nature", ne "dit" rien de tout ca quant a elle) et d'ailleurs le fait de "croire que le role de l'homme est de maitriser ou dominer la terre", c'est une des choses je crois qu'on dit ou affirme souvent (par interet logiquement souvent) dans le "capitalisme, " "l"égoisme ou athéisme" actuel et aussi dans la bible ou d'autres croyances (occidentales surtout) (mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec ca lol, justement), j'ai plutot l'avis par exemple de la vision de la vie des amerindiens (d'origine) qui dans leur vision des choses, se considéraient comme faisant partie de la Nature, comme tous les etres vivants, ni superieur ni inferieur, et qu'il devait vivre en harmonie en respectant tout ce qui vit, sans s'imposer ni rien, pour eux ils ne sont que passagers ou invités sur terre, pour un séjour, et devait repartir "humblement" en la laissant comme ils l'avaient trouvé
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Cette discussion est excellente!! 😄🤪
Et comme on parle de neolithique, de paleolithique et de bon sauvage, je vais mettre mon grain de sel!
Tout d abord :
"Parceque le mythe des bons sauvages, correspond avant tout a "l'ère des chasseurs, cueilleurs, ou pecheurs-collecteurs" nomades (qui est surtout nommé "paleolithique" avant le "neo"lithique (logique lol), ou semi nomades, ou sédentaires ou pas"
Le mythe du bon sauvage ne correspond pas a l "ere" (?!) des chasseurs cueilleurs.... Brievement car c est plus complique que ca : Le "bon sauvage" est un terme qui nous vient du 18eme siecle mais qui a ses origines dans les recits des grands voyageurs explorateurs de la fin du 15eme, du 16eme et du 17eme. Il sera porte a son extreme avec la decouverte europeenne des populations polynesiennes (qui n etaient pas des chasseurs-cueilleurs) et amerindiennes (qui ne vivaient pas toutes de la chasse et de la cueillette, l agriculture existant depuis plusieurs millenaire avant JC). Le siecle des Lumieres a pour caracteristiques de s interroger sur les fondements de la societe qui le caracterise et de remettre en cause certains de ses principes. En ce sens, le bon sauvage, principalement illustre par les recits de voyage de Bougainville, Tavernier, Lahontan, ....va incarner une sorte d etre idyllique, perpetuellement heureux, loin de toute corruption, en harmonie avec la nature et libre. Il sera la fer de lance de l esprit critique qui caracterise le 18eme et son image sera utilisee par le relativisme. Mais, il ne faut pas oublier que c est un mythe et non pas une realite. Il symbolise la quete du bonheur et de l harmonie. En ce sens, il permet au 18eme siecle d exprimer ses desirs et ses angoisses. C est une image utilisee par un courant de penser et non pas Jo l indien dans sa cabanne au fond des bois.... Dans la meme veine, l authenticite n est qu un mythe, elle n existe que dans le regard que l on porte sur l autre, une sorte de recherche de l origine, une quete du paradis (au sens judeo-chretien) perdu. Au cours de tes voyages, as-tu deja essaye de parler de l authenticite, non pas avec un religieu, mais avec un membre d une communaute native (amerindien d amazonie ou d ailleurs, aborigenes d Australie, nomades mongols, ....). Tu serais surpris des reponses. La plus part du temps, ils ne savent pas ce qu est l authenticite. Notre facon de penser et de concevoir est toujours profondement marquee par notre education, notre culture. Et ne me dit pas authenticite egale traditions preservees. Preservees par rapport a qui, par rapport a quoi, par rapport a quand? L acculturation existe depuis des millenaires et n a pas attendu l arrivee de "l homme blanc". Et tradition n est pas synonyme d authenticite. De plus, la sedentarisation n existait pas avant le neolithique (puisqu elle apparut au neolithique) donc elle aurait du mal a s appliquer a des populations du paleolithique. Autre point, il n y a pas de periode (ou "ere" comme tu dis) qui caracterise les chasseurs-cueilleurs ou pecheurs-collecteurs. Deja, on peut etre pecheur-cueilleur et, de plus, des populations nomades vivant de la chasse, de la cueillette et/ou de la peche, il y en a eu de tout temps et il y en a encore!!
"ce qui est l'inverse du mode de vie de vendredi (et des peuples "sauvages" comme on les appelle en general) qui ne font souvent qu'efleurer la terre, sans rien lui imposer, ni laisser de traces dessus"
Tu crois vraiment que les populations dites primitives avaient ou ont une conscience respectueuse de "mere la terre"? Se sont generalement des peuples animistes, c est vrai. Mais ce qui est aussi vrai, c est que de tout temps un des principaux elements qui conditionna leur existence fut de tenter de se liberer de la nature...Se liberer de la nature est un des elements qui caracterise l etre humain, quelqu il soit et quelque soit son epoque, et ce dans les gestes les plus anodins. Qu on le veuille ou non. De plus, entre ceux qui se livraient des guerres sanglantes pour se procurer de nouveaux territoire de chasse, des femmes, des biens divers et varies (aliments, plumes, pierres, ....), ...et ceux qui soumettaient et acculturaient allegrement leurs congeneres (lire le cru et le cuit de Levi Strauss, par exemple), je ne suis pas sur de voir un ideal d harmonie, de paix et de liberte. La vision que tu donnes est edulcoree, ne correspond en rien avec la realite presente ou passee et est digne d Asterix : Le village qui resiste toujours et encore a l envahisseur ; les gentils contre les mechants. L etre humain et les societes qu il developpa (et developpe) sont quand meme un peu plus complexes que ca. Au 18eme siecle, l image du bon sauvage etait utilisee, mais il y avait un discours derriere, une philosophie qui modifia les manieres de penser et de percevoir l autre. Ce qui n est pas le cas de ton discours. N est pas Rousseau ou Diderot qui veut. Sinon, sur le reste de la discussion, je n ai rien a dire, que les enfonceurs de portes ouvertes les enfoncent et que les Lapalissades "lapalissent".
Le mythe du bon sauvage ne correspond pas a l "ere" (?!) des chasseurs cueilleurs.... Brievement car c est plus complique que ca : Le "bon sauvage" est un terme qui nous vient du 18eme siecle mais qui a ses origines dans les recits des grands voyageurs explorateurs de la fin du 15eme, du 16eme et du 17eme. Il sera porte a son extreme avec la decouverte europeenne des populations polynesiennes (qui n etaient pas des chasseurs-cueilleurs) et amerindiennes (qui ne vivaient pas toutes de la chasse et de la cueillette, l agriculture existant depuis plusieurs millenaire avant JC). Le siecle des Lumieres a pour caracteristiques de s interroger sur les fondements de la societe qui le caracterise et de remettre en cause certains de ses principes. En ce sens, le bon sauvage, principalement illustre par les recits de voyage de Bougainville, Tavernier, Lahontan, ....va incarner une sorte d etre idyllique, perpetuellement heureux, loin de toute corruption, en harmonie avec la nature et libre. Il sera la fer de lance de l esprit critique qui caracterise le 18eme et son image sera utilisee par le relativisme. Mais, il ne faut pas oublier que c est un mythe et non pas une realite. Il symbolise la quete du bonheur et de l harmonie. En ce sens, il permet au 18eme siecle d exprimer ses desirs et ses angoisses. C est une image utilisee par un courant de penser et non pas Jo l indien dans sa cabanne au fond des bois.... Dans la meme veine, l authenticite n est qu un mythe, elle n existe que dans le regard que l on porte sur l autre, une sorte de recherche de l origine, une quete du paradis (au sens judeo-chretien) perdu. Au cours de tes voyages, as-tu deja essaye de parler de l authenticite, non pas avec un religieu, mais avec un membre d une communaute native (amerindien d amazonie ou d ailleurs, aborigenes d Australie, nomades mongols, ....). Tu serais surpris des reponses. La plus part du temps, ils ne savent pas ce qu est l authenticite. Notre facon de penser et de concevoir est toujours profondement marquee par notre education, notre culture. Et ne me dit pas authenticite egale traditions preservees. Preservees par rapport a qui, par rapport a quoi, par rapport a quand? L acculturation existe depuis des millenaires et n a pas attendu l arrivee de "l homme blanc". Et tradition n est pas synonyme d authenticite. De plus, la sedentarisation n existait pas avant le neolithique (puisqu elle apparut au neolithique) donc elle aurait du mal a s appliquer a des populations du paleolithique. Autre point, il n y a pas de periode (ou "ere" comme tu dis) qui caracterise les chasseurs-cueilleurs ou pecheurs-collecteurs. Deja, on peut etre pecheur-cueilleur et, de plus, des populations nomades vivant de la chasse, de la cueillette et/ou de la peche, il y en a eu de tout temps et il y en a encore!!
"ce qui est l'inverse du mode de vie de vendredi (et des peuples "sauvages" comme on les appelle en general) qui ne font souvent qu'efleurer la terre, sans rien lui imposer, ni laisser de traces dessus"
Tu crois vraiment que les populations dites primitives avaient ou ont une conscience respectueuse de "mere la terre"? Se sont generalement des peuples animistes, c est vrai. Mais ce qui est aussi vrai, c est que de tout temps un des principaux elements qui conditionna leur existence fut de tenter de se liberer de la nature...Se liberer de la nature est un des elements qui caracterise l etre humain, quelqu il soit et quelque soit son epoque, et ce dans les gestes les plus anodins. Qu on le veuille ou non. De plus, entre ceux qui se livraient des guerres sanglantes pour se procurer de nouveaux territoire de chasse, des femmes, des biens divers et varies (aliments, plumes, pierres, ....), ...et ceux qui soumettaient et acculturaient allegrement leurs congeneres (lire le cru et le cuit de Levi Strauss, par exemple), je ne suis pas sur de voir un ideal d harmonie, de paix et de liberte. La vision que tu donnes est edulcoree, ne correspond en rien avec la realite presente ou passee et est digne d Asterix : Le village qui resiste toujours et encore a l envahisseur ; les gentils contre les mechants. L etre humain et les societes qu il developpa (et developpe) sont quand meme un peu plus complexes que ca. Au 18eme siecle, l image du bon sauvage etait utilisee, mais il y avait un discours derriere, une philosophie qui modifia les manieres de penser et de percevoir l autre. Ce qui n est pas le cas de ton discours. N est pas Rousseau ou Diderot qui veut. Sinon, sur le reste de la discussion, je n ai rien a dire, que les enfonceurs de portes ouvertes les enfoncent et que les Lapalissades "lapalissent".
Es un hombre que se va, la lagrima se queda.
Bon deja la demagogie a ce point la....t es pas lamentable mais presque....Tu me fais tenir des propos qui ne sont pas les miens...relis ma phrase...""je sais que quelque part moi aussi je suis complice tout ca""...T as bien lu....alors arrete de regarder la tele en meme temps que t ecris...merci....Je voulais juste parler bien sur, d exageration, de gaspillage, de pollution....moi j ai une bagnole, j ecris sur du papier, je prend parfois l autoroute...(et dis le a personne mais je fais aussi caca)....Quand a mohikan, ce mec est plus heureux seul dans la nature qu au milieu de ces congeneres...En quoi ca te derange, serieux??? Ca t em....tant que ca qu un mec trouve un peu de bonheur de cette maniere??Ben alors ca doit pas etre rose tous les jours toi.....Arrete d aller dans les extremes a 2 balles....t es le genre a traiter quelqu un de raciste parce qu il aime pas le couscous!!! Revenons au truc....Les animaux aussi detruisent pour faire leur abris, pour se nourrir...on fait partit de tout ca bien sur...je veux juste dire qu on pourrai le faire plus intelligement....pour plein de choses....par exemple la pub a outrance, qui deborde de nos boites aux lettres pour nous faire consommer toujours plus comme des cons, (oui je sais moi aussi je fais mes courses)..alors j ai dis....A OUTRANCE....ca va la ?????super....Bon ben si on essayait de l enrayer on sauverai des arbres...oui je sais, je suis l ami des arbres et tu vas me dire que je parle aux papillons...non mais une fois avec un ecureuil, mais j etais bourre......essaye de faire passer tes idees et tes differences de point de vue de maniere moins simpliste, et arrete de gueuler(oui meme quand t ecris tu gueule...)....sans rancune et a la prochaine, pour essayer de mieux discuter.....
Je t’invite à relire tout ce qu’à écrit Mohikan. Ca commence en mars 2005 et déjà à l’époque le ton était donné. Les mêmes thèmes, les mêmes jugement de valeurs à 2 centimes le kilo : sa haine des femmes, son dégoût de la société des hommes, le consumérisme qu’il exagère, la nature plus sage que les humains, le plaisir pour le plaisir dans le sexe, etc.…. tout ça est repris dans le texte de départ ‘’Migrations des homosapiens’’. Qui use de démagogie, lui ou moi? Il déverse son fiel, tel un programme informatique jouxté à un algorithme distribuant les lol de façon aléatoire, depuis plus d’un an. Il utilise des exemples extrêmes pour faire passer son message, sa vision du monde. Ce manipulateur, ce sectaire (sectaire : se dit de quelqu’un qui par intolérance ou étroitesse d’esprit se refuse à admettre les opinions différences de celles qu’il professe. Larousse, 1996), ce pamphlétaire, ce donneur de leçons, ce fabricant d’opinions n’a même pas la décence de s’excuser lorsqu’il dénature les mots et les faits (exemples : la réplique de Zitoune à propos du mythes du bon sauvage, du paléolithique versus néolithique, l’exemple de nakata au sujet de la destruction de la forêt primaire). Tout le ‘’système Mohikanien’’ pourrait se résumer en deux ou trois paragraphes, une page tout au plus. Même si lui, moi et tous les autres utilisons la même langue sur ce Forum, il n’utilise pas le même dictionnaire que nous. Il s’en ai forgé un, adaptant le sens des mots à ses fins dans ses textes délétères.
Quand on est marginal, associable, outrancier, qu’on préfère la compagnie des animaux ou de la nature, on ne vient pas déblatérer parmis 95 000 membres d’un forum d’hommes et de femmes aux opinions diversifiées. Encore moins vouloir y enseigner sa morale. J’ai autant le droit que lui de gueuler, gueuler contre celles et ceux qui trouvent sympathique et gentil ses chimères (Quand a mohikan, ce mec est plus heureux seul dans la nature qu au milieu de ces congeneres...En quoi ca te derange, serieux??? dixit filsdusoleil).
Pourquoi Mohikan me dérange? Parce qu’à bientôt 55 ans j’ai fait et fait encore à peu près tout ce qu’il exècre, ce qu’il juge mauvais. Je n’ai pas besoin qu’il me désigne du doigt, qu’il se déguise en justicier masqué monté sur sa Licorne en condamnant mes comportements ou ceux de mes semblables. Il ne peut pas signifié comme un fin de non recevoir que mes valeurs occidentales sont ‘’dépravées’’ et ‘’en dehors des vraies valeurs’’ s’en attiser les foudres de la moitié de la planète. Comme déclaration de guerre ça fait toute une armée à combattre!
Pour le reste vous aurez bien le droit tous les deux de prendre le thé sur ta future terrasse dans les Pyrénées…. et refaire le monde à votre goût en compagnie des écureuils.
DeCléricy
Quand on est marginal, associable, outrancier, qu’on préfère la compagnie des animaux ou de la nature, on ne vient pas déblatérer parmis 95 000 membres d’un forum d’hommes et de femmes aux opinions diversifiées. Encore moins vouloir y enseigner sa morale. J’ai autant le droit que lui de gueuler, gueuler contre celles et ceux qui trouvent sympathique et gentil ses chimères (Quand a mohikan, ce mec est plus heureux seul dans la nature qu au milieu de ces congeneres...En quoi ca te derange, serieux??? dixit filsdusoleil).
Pourquoi Mohikan me dérange? Parce qu’à bientôt 55 ans j’ai fait et fait encore à peu près tout ce qu’il exècre, ce qu’il juge mauvais. Je n’ai pas besoin qu’il me désigne du doigt, qu’il se déguise en justicier masqué monté sur sa Licorne en condamnant mes comportements ou ceux de mes semblables. Il ne peut pas signifié comme un fin de non recevoir que mes valeurs occidentales sont ‘’dépravées’’ et ‘’en dehors des vraies valeurs’’ s’en attiser les foudres de la moitié de la planète. Comme déclaration de guerre ça fait toute une armée à combattre!
Pour le reste vous aurez bien le droit tous les deux de prendre le thé sur ta future terrasse dans les Pyrénées…. et refaire le monde à votre goût en compagnie des écureuils.
DeCléricy
J’en appelle à vous ô Muses
Où tant ma vie passe et s’use
Qu’encore et toujours j’aime
Mes soeurs Galère et Bohème
Je pense que le manque d'ouverture d'esprit est plus répandu chez l'auteur du post que chez moi... mais j'admet et j'assume mon agressivité et mon intolérance face aux discours angelico-fachos de Mohikan que d'autres ont fort bien analysés par ailleurs.
Comme tu le dit pas la peine de redire ce qui fut dit même s'il n'y a pas eu de réponses de Mohikan à nombre de réactions et que donc nous nous acharnons...
Je précise, il faut bien tirer sur le Mohikan pour avoir qque chance qu'il s'agite et réponde peut être un jour... L'espoir fait vivre... (quoique ce n'est pas une devise de Mohikan qui affectionne tant les citations).
Enfin, Mohikan nous livre bien des pensées intimes, je ne vois pas où est le problème à lui poser des questions sur son mode de vie, questions somme toute assez matérielles donc moins intimes que son moi profond...
Je précise, il faut bien tirer sur le Mohikan pour avoir qque chance qu'il s'agite et réponde peut être un jour... L'espoir fait vivre... (quoique ce n'est pas une devise de Mohikan qui affectionne tant les citations).
Enfin, Mohikan nous livre bien des pensées intimes, je ne vois pas où est le problème à lui poser des questions sur son mode de vie, questions somme toute assez matérielles donc moins intimes que son moi profond...
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voitures, portables, bijoux, sorties, fringues, strings remontes bien haut(au fait, une fille m a dit au fait quelle n aimait pas, car d apres elle c etait pas propre.info ou intox?)etc...pour essayer de ressembler aux stars et au final se creer ce qu on appelle en psycho une fausse personnalite basee sur l imitation de ceux qu on admire(les dites stars).
Pour encore parler de relativité et sortir encore une fois les gens des cases où vous essayer de les mettre, toi et Mohikan : je te rappelle que le souhait d'être beau/belle est un souhait largement répandu dans les sociétés humaines depuis l'âge de pierre ainsi que chez les animaux qui se parent des plus belles couleurs pour séduire le partenaire recherché... je ne vois pas ce que vient faire là l'envie de ressembler aux prétendues stars... J'ajoute que les humains recherchent aussi le beau pour lui même et pas forcément pour plaire. Le beau, une notion fort relative, donc chacun le voit où il veut et si j'aime les strings certains les trouvent môches... Tous les gouts sont dans la nature ! 😉
ps: par contre, je signale qu'il n'y a aucune contre-indication de santé... la propreté n'est pas là... macérer dans son jus avec des vêtements moulants en plein été ou en baskets... là tu prends des risques...🤪
Pour encore parler de relativité et sortir encore une fois les gens des cases où vous essayer de les mettre, toi et Mohikan : je te rappelle que le souhait d'être beau/belle est un souhait largement répandu dans les sociétés humaines depuis l'âge de pierre ainsi que chez les animaux qui se parent des plus belles couleurs pour séduire le partenaire recherché... je ne vois pas ce que vient faire là l'envie de ressembler aux prétendues stars... J'ajoute que les humains recherchent aussi le beau pour lui même et pas forcément pour plaire. Le beau, une notion fort relative, donc chacun le voit où il veut et si j'aime les strings certains les trouvent môches... Tous les gouts sont dans la nature ! 😉
ps: par contre, je signale qu'il n'y a aucune contre-indication de santé... la propreté n'est pas là... macérer dans son jus avec des vêtements moulants en plein été ou en baskets... là tu prends des risques...🤪
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Par pitié, je n'en peux plus de ces discours d'écolo-barrés-naïfs qui ne connaissent rien à la nature !
Dois-je vous rappeler, comme tant d'autres sur le forum, que la nature est aussi dure que nous. Je suis d'accord pour dire et nous insurger contre les conneries des hommes parce que nous avons une conscience et que nos actions ont des impacts à progression exponentielle... mais les animaux ont bcp de comportements similaires et ne nous attendent pas pour se décimer même par jeu (cf. les chats)... oserais-je rappeler que nous sommes avant tout des animaux !
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Oui, je crois qu'il serait nécessaire pour certains de relire le message originel pour se remettre les idées en place...
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l devait vivre en harmonie en respectant tout ce qui vit, sans s'imposer ni rien, pour eux ils ne sont que passagers ou invités sur terre, pour un séjour, et devait repartir "humblement" en la laissant comme ils l'avaient trouvé
Mais c impossible de repartir en laissant la Terre comme tu l'as trouvé ! Même pour la nature elle même en perpétuel mouvement...condition même du renouvellement de la vie... C fou, j'ai l'impression d'expliciter des évidences... Depuis fort longtemps, la quasi totalité de la Terre est anthropisée, aujourd'hui des forêts sont protégées car elles renferment des arbres centenaires...plantés sous nos rois pour en faire des mats de bateaux... aujourd'hui des écolos extrèmes me demandent, dans mon taf, de recréer les milieux de la zone portuaire qui existaient avant la création du port...afin de sauvegarder des plantes protégées...qui poussent aujourd'hui sur les déblais de dragages déposés sur la terre lors de la création du port...🤪😮🏴☠️ Sais tu aussi, que comble de tout, les plateformes pétrolières sont des refuges important pour la croissance des juvéniles baleines... Quelques exemples, pour expliquer encore que les choses ne sont jms ni noires ni blanches et tjs étroitement liées.
Mais c impossible de repartir en laissant la Terre comme tu l'as trouvé ! Même pour la nature elle même en perpétuel mouvement...condition même du renouvellement de la vie... C fou, j'ai l'impression d'expliciter des évidences... Depuis fort longtemps, la quasi totalité de la Terre est anthropisée, aujourd'hui des forêts sont protégées car elles renferment des arbres centenaires...plantés sous nos rois pour en faire des mats de bateaux... aujourd'hui des écolos extrèmes me demandent, dans mon taf, de recréer les milieux de la zone portuaire qui existaient avant la création du port...afin de sauvegarder des plantes protégées...qui poussent aujourd'hui sur les déblais de dragages déposés sur la terre lors de la création du port...🤪😮🏴☠️ Sais tu aussi, que comble de tout, les plateformes pétrolières sont des refuges important pour la croissance des juvéniles baleines... Quelques exemples, pour expliquer encore que les choses ne sont jms ni noires ni blanches et tjs étroitement liées.
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Oui et moi j'en ai assez dit.
Je m'en vais du sujet qui m'échauffe au propre comme au figuré... pétard ça chauffe un ordi !🤪
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hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
.
.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?