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TV Tve64 Regular ·
Hello everyone, When traveling as a couple (which isn't the majority here on the forum), we adapt to our partner's needs/capabilities (I lighten the load as much as possible).

I do exactly the same. She carries her own stuff and rides a (fairly) lightweight bike, and I take care of everything that's shared. Obviously, I don’t have the same bike. But in the end, we make it to the top at the same time. 😉

SR Sros ·
third time's the charm... l😛
NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Hello everyone, When traveling as a couple (which isn't the majority here on the forum), we adapt to our partner's needs and abilities (I keep it as light as possible for her).

I do exactly the same. She carries her own things and rides a (fairly) lightweight bike, and I take care of everything we share. Obviously, I don’t have the same bike. But in the end, we reach the top at the same time. 😉



Hello, I have a similar approach when we travel as a couple—we also adjust our routes so it’s enjoyable for both of us. Actually, it’s just like hiking: you walk at the pace of the slowest person, and everything goes smoothly.
CL Claisse Veteran ·
Hi

Super loaded!
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SR Sros ·
Not so much bags before clothes (her and him) for the outer part of the tent, rear bags for sleeping gear, the top bag for the inner part of the tent, kitchen stuff.

The handlebar bag for camera, money, passport. On the frame: tools and pump, tube.

More bulky than heavy...

By the way, the photo was taken in Agen, very close to Café Vélo where we slept.

I’ll take the opportunity to give them a little shout-out—it’s a great spot to sleep along the Canal de Garonne.

https://cafe-velo.net/
CL Claisse Veteran ·
It’s noted for the overnight stay since I’ve got BORDEAUX–SÈTE on the agenda as soon as our microbial invasion is gone.

Safe travels!
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SM Smopy44 Regular ·
well, after 2 months, I finally got my stainless steel fenders, so now we're talking some serious durability.
AL Alsardéchois ·
Here’s my bike. Bought in 2016 at Cycloptitssoins in the Loire department (42). It’s a second-hand steel frame (early 2000s MTB/hybrid style). Repainted and guaranteed. 26'' wheels Schwalbe Marathon Mondial tires Shimano Acera 3x7 drivetrain CENTRAL KICKSTAND Original aluminum rear rack, replaced with steel Tubus racks Butterfly handlebars—super practical for long trips Front hub dynamo

The water bottles are wrapped in wet socks to cool the water (evaporation principle) Vaude panniers + frame bag

The bike weighs 18 kg in this setup. I don’t remember the frame size, but I’m 1.87 m tall.

Over 20,000 km on the odometer—super sturdy and comfortable bike.

Cyclo touristes en couple. Tour d'EUrope en 2016, Route de la Soie en 2017, Afrique australe en 2018. Notre blog https://ensellemarcel.wordpress.com/
BO Bolbatre147 Regular ·
My touring bike
MSC
AL Alltrax Regular ·
Mine ready for the 11th! !
NA Nadaloi ·
Mine ready for the 11th!

How much did your panniers cost?
AL Alltrax Regular ·
Mine ready for the 11th!

How much did your panniers cost you?

A little over 200 € for the whole set (saddle 55 €, handlebar 75 €, frame 25 € and 35 €, stem 25 €)
PL Pluton2070 Regular ·
Let me introduce you to the MBK Greenfield T204DF—it's not a bike, it's a tank! A real war machine! 21 speeds! Actually, it's my partner's bike that I just pulled out of the basement while I wait to take my Giant TCR to the repair shop. I paid 50 quid at Mondovélo, raised the saddle a bit, added a few panniers, pumped up the tires, and it even has a kickstand—it's awesome!

Mon petit reportage du 02 Juin au 28 Juin en mode Bikepacking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5ykYxewDQ
GO Gobois64 ·
My bike ready to go ... after lockdown! It's a Decathlon mountain bike from 1989!! with front and rear racks added, plus two MSX panniers from a German brand.
SC Scouty ·


Mine’s a Histoire bike, the big touring model. I got it for Christmas and so far I’ve just been using it as my commuter bike. I’ve decked it out with Brooks and Berthoud leather accessories, a platform rack, and a few other bits that give it a vintage look! Starting in August, the plan is a four-month tour de France... though given the circumstances, I might end up sticking to my region for now. ^^
CL Claisse Veteran ·
Hello

Great bike

Where did you find your front rack with a platform?

Thanks and have a great weekend
BERNARD "Aucun conseil n'est plus loyal que celui qui se donne sur le navire en péril. Voiture : Invention ingénieuse, permettant de contenir 110 chevaux dans le moteur et un âne au volant.
NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Hello

Great bike

Where did you find your front rack with a platform?

Thanks and have a good weekend

Hi, It's a Tubus "Grand Expedition"—you can find it here: https://www.cyclo-randonnee.fr/porte-bagages-tubus-144/porte-bagages-avant-tubus-grand-expedition-front-2481.html

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SC Scouty ·
Thanks, the front rack and some of the accessories were ordered from Cyclo Randonnée
SC Scouty ·
For platform racks, you need to be careful because I realized something: they significantly reduce the fork's flexibility, and you feel the vibrations much more. This is due to the rack's attachment, which is fixed to the fork legs but also has a brace secured at the top of those same legs, locking the fork's flexibility. It's something to consider, in my opinion
PI Picea73 ·
Hi David,

I suggest you attach your rear rack to the fork arms rather than the top mount (JDD), as shown in your edited photo below.



If there are no eyelets, you can improvise with zip ties, like I did to install the front rack (Blackburn Outpost Front) on my wife’s bike with a suspension fork (next 3 photos).



Anyway, you’ve got a great bike, and I hope you enjoy many long and beautiful rides with it.
CL Claisse Veteran ·
Hello

Thanks, seems interesting 😊

have a nice Sunday
BERNARD "Aucun conseil n'est plus loyal que celui qui se donne sur le navire en péril. Voiture : Invention ingénieuse, permettant de contenir 110 chevaux dans le moteur et un âne au volant.
8X 8xc Veteran ·
For telescopic forks, since they're structurally designed to be very rigid (stanchion inside the fork leg), attaching a mudguard to a low point plus a high point or attaching it elsewhere won't make any difference. For non-telescopic forks, the fork's flexion is less than the compression of soft tires. To achieve flexibility or softness, it's better to fit soft tires inflated to the correct pressure rather than fitting super-rigid, highly inflated tires and looking for deformation in the fork or frame. This was actually measured here.

Anyway, comfort and the absence of pain on a long ride have little to do with the bike's flexibility or softness. What matters are the bike's geometry and adjustments based on the cyclist to ensure a good fit. Some people complain about back, arm, or hand pain, yet tick all the boxes usually associated with comfort—steel frame, leather saddle, wide tires—but have a bike that's too big or a poorly adjusted position.
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ME Meg2 Globetrotter ·
Comfort and the absence of pain on a long journey have little to do with the flexibility or softness of the bike—it's the bike's geometry and adjustments based on the cyclist that matter

yes, with one small caveat: stiffness *can* still become an issue on unpaved roads. That said, I can confirm that personally, I’m more comfortable on my non-suspended bike with a custom frame than I was on my old hybrid and full-suspension MTBs with frames that were just a bit too long for me. That’s the whole point of custom frames for cyclists—especially for those of us with body types that don’t fit the average mold—who are planning long-distance trips.
LE Levelo Veteran ·
My ride.

Rando-Cycles, designed and assembled in 2012. Over 70,000 km in travel mode. A tank that goes anywhere, no serious breakdowns. 18 kg empty. Steel frame. Hand-built wheels, replaced 3 times. Rear rack: Tubus, front rack: Surly. Rigid fork. Brooks or Berthoud saddle. Ortlieb panniers—not the best model, but chosen for their low-key color. Classic Shimano drivetrain. Indestructible Campagnolo pedals.
NA Nardon ·
The ultimate luxury for our bikes: custom frame and Rohloff hub. Downside—they’re heavy: 15 to 16 kg. On the plus side, I swapped the V-brakes for hydraulic disc brakes—absolute bliss on descents with a loaded bike.
NA Nadaloi ·
What's the advantage of this hub?
NA Nardon ·
Some people criticize it for being expensive, but I only see advantages: a chain that wears out slowly because it's single-speed front and back, the rear sprocket is even reversible; gear shifting while stationary with the twist grip, 14 continuous gears, and you can shift up or down multiple gears at once. The only small drawback (if you can call it that) is that you need to change the oil like a gearbox roughly every 5,000 km. It's easy to do; I've done it on the side of the road once—the equipment needed is lightweight: a syringe and two small 20 ml bottles, one for flushing and one for new oil. My partner found it amazing compared to derailleur shifting. On our bikes, it's installed as standard with special rear dropouts, but you can fit it on a bike with a standard rear dropout. With 26-inch wheels, it's best to use rims designed for it to avoid issues with the angle of the spoke heads, which could otherwise cause spoke breakage. Another advantage is that the rear stays are symmetrical on our custom-made bikes, and all the spokes are identical. There must be a post on the forum about Rohloff hubs or others comparing them to derailleur gear shifting.
A2 A2cmieu Regular ·


Here’s "MAVAEL", our tandem and its trusty trailer! Aluminum frame, Hope 200 mm disc brakes; with both of us on the scale, it’s 180 kg including all our luggage. For the rear, we’ve got a "Halo SAS" downhill wheel—pretty sturdy, but a bit heavy! It’s got Marathon tires. For our rides the rest of the year, we’ve got another tandem, a "LOOK A2", with 700c wheels—don’t worry, it’s much lighter!!
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CL Claisse Veteran ·
Hi there, farrhad tx 400 ready to go 😛 well, we'll see
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NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Comfort and the absence of pain on a long journey have little to do with the flexibility or softness of the bike—it's the bike's geometry and adjustments based on the cyclist that matter

yes, with one small caveat: stiffness can still become an issue on unpaved roads. With that said, I can confirm that personally, I’m more comfortable on my non-suspended bike with a custom frame than I was on my former hybrid and full-suspension MTBs, which had frames that were a bit too long for me. That’s the whole advantage of custom frames for cyclists—especially for women cyclists—who have body types that don’t fit the average mold and are planning long-distance trips.

I have the same problem as you, Monique—my legs are too long, or my torso’s too short, take your pick! That means on most off-the-shelf frames, I end up with either the right seat tube size but a top tube that’s too long, or the opposite. I can tweak the stem and saddle setback, but it’s never perfect. So in the end, I contacted Fabien Bonnet in Grenoble to make me a custom frame. It was supposed to be ready by mid-April, but with this pandemic, the tubes and parts are taking forever to arrive. That said, since I can’t ride anyway...
SM Smopy44 Regular ·
Since the fork arms have some thickness, why not drill them and attach the rack with two screws (especially if the frame is steel)? All you need is a good metal drill bit and two screws of the same diameter, about 2 cm long. In my opinion, a 0.5 cm drill bit does the job for adding two eyelets to this fork. On my Surly racks, I did a mix—Allen screws and regular screws—so anyone trying to steal my racks would need the right tools. 😄
PO Posecacao Regular ·
For me, it's a Trek 7.3 aluminum frame with a rigid fork, 11.6 kg empty. Here's a photo after a long week of rain—you can even see a pair of cycling shorts and socks drying off. 😎

Derailleur: Shimano Deore (not original), adjustable stem X-Tray (not original), Schwalbe tires x2 (not original)

I’ve only tested this bike on a 565 km trip, so it’s a bit early to judge. I’m planning a longer trip for this summer, hopefully. I also had a mountain bike for a long time, a Scrapper 5.1, which I used for quite a few adventures.
SA Samy999 ·
Mine ready for the 11th!

And how do you handle water bottles?
AL Alltrax Regular ·
Mine ready for the 11th!

And how do you handle water bottles?

One on the diagonal tube and two others with this thing that also helps stabilize the saddle bag: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0098/7407/9791/products/woho_saddle_bag_stabilizer_no_words_1296x.jpg?v=1574056440 https://www.wohobike.com/collections/xtouring-bikepacking-gear/products/dhl-express-xtouring-anti-sway-anti-sway-brooks-b-vision-dhl-express

Otherwise, I can also add two more on the fork
NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Hi David,

I suggest that your rear rack be attached to the fork arms rather than the top mount (JDD), as shown in your edited photo below.



If there are no eyelets, you can improvise with zip ties, like what I used to install the front rack (Blackburn Outpost Front) on my wife’s bike with a suspension fork (next 3 photos).



Anyway, you’ve got a great bike, and I hope you enjoy many long and beautiful rides with it.

This issue is fixed to the fork crown and each of the fork legs. You can see it very clearly in the photo provided by Scouty. I’ll add that the mounting points aren’t the reason for the discomfort you’re feeling—you should really question those Schwalbe Marathons instead. These tires are extremely stiff, and that rigidity prevents them from deforming and filtering out vibrations. Several of us on this forum have explained that these tires are uncomfortable, don’t grip well, and have terrible efficiency. The only possible use for them is for round-the-world tourers who are afraid they won’t find replacement tires in the middle of Balochistan!

For any other use, you should choose something more flexible and accept that the tires won’t last as long. At the opposite end of the spectrum from the Marathons, you have ultra-light tires like the Compass (René Herse), which still last around 5000 km!
8X 8xc Veteran ·
Some criticize it because it's expensive

That’s a bit short. Criticisms of the Rohloff go far beyond the price:

no control over gear spacing—you’re stuck with MTB gearing even if you ride on the road; if any part of the wheel (hub, rim, or several spokes) breaks, you can’t replace it with a wheel bought locally; oil change requirement; risk of losing lubricant on a flight; can’t fix issues yourself if something goes wrong; manufacturer’s limitation on the minimum gear ratio to avoid excessive torque.

All this needs to be weighed against the positives. Price is just one factor in everyone’s choice. I don’t know the cost of a Rohloff, but I’m sure it’s much less than a high-end derailleur groupset for a road bike (Super Record EPS).
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8X 8xc Veteran ·
Several of us on this forum have mentioned that these tires are uncomfortable, don’t grip the road well, and have terrible efficiency.

... and they’re super heavy too! 😉
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NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Several of us on this forum have mentioned that these tires are uncomfortable, don’t grip the road well, and have terrible efficiency.

... and they’re super heavy too! 😉

Yeah, and on top of that, they’re expensive! 😉
NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Some criticize it for being expensive

That’s a bit simplistic. Criticisms of the Rohloff go far beyond the price:

No control over gear spacing—you’re stuck with MTB gearing even if you ride on the road; If any part of the wheel (hub, rim, or several spokes) breaks, you can’t replace it with a wheel bought locally; Oil change requirement; Risk of losing lubricant on a flight; Can’t fix issues yourself if something goes wrong; Manufacturer’s limitation on the minimum gear ratio to avoid excessive torque.

All of this needs to be weighed against the positives. Price is just one factor in everyone’s decision. I don’t know the cost of a Rohloff, but I’m sure it’s much lower than a high-end road bike derailleur system (like Super Record EPS).

Regarding the prices I’ve seen for bikes, the same models sold with derailleurs or Rohloff have a difference of about 800 € more for the Rohloff version. That’s equivalent to: - 5 rear and front derailleurs - 5 cassettes - 10 chains - 5 sets of pulleys Enough to last a while!

So the economic argument doesn’t hold up. Maybe the "peace of mind" argument put forward by its fans is the most valid one?
NA Nardon ·
Without wanting to dive into the Rohloff discussion (there are posts for that), the Rohloff is guaranteed for 100,000 km. How many times would you have changed a conventional drivetrain over that distance? Don’t think it’s impossible—at a campsite, I met a German guy whose Rohloff had 95,000 km on it with no issues at all! There have been problems, but they’re very rare (the Solicycle world tourers, if I remember correctly, and Rohloff fixed the issue far from Europe, I think). For MTB gear range, that’s not an argument—who hasn’t found themselves on a dirt trail or similar with a steep gradient while traveling, where the MTB gearing comes in handy? As for the highest gear, I don’t ride at 40 km/h (except rarely on descents, and even then), I’m just cruising and enjoying the scenery. I’ll leave it at that on this topic.
NO Nomade743 Veteran ·
Without wanting to dive into this Rohloff discussion (there are posts for that). The Rohloff is guaranteed for 100,000 km. How many times would you have changed a conventional drivetrain over that distance? Don’t think it’s impossible—I met a German at a campsite whose Rohloff had 95,000 km and had no issues! There have been problems, but they’re very rare (the Solicycle world tourers if I remember correctly, and Rohloff fixed the issue far from Europe, I think). For MTB gear range, that’s not an argument—who hasn’t found themselves on a dirt trail or similar with a steep gradient while traveling, where MTB gearing comes in handy? As for the highest gear, I don’t ride at 40 km/h (except rarely on descents, and even then), I just cruise around admiring the scenery. I won’t go further on the topic.

Hi Claude, I’m not debating the quality of the Rohloff—its reputation is well-earned, and there are plenty of testimonials to back it up. What I’m pointing out is that the lifespan of such a system costs 800 €, and with that amount, you could easily replace the wear parts of a conventional drivetrain to match the same mileage as a Rohloff. The financial benefit is therefore highly debatable. That’s the only point I’m questioning—otherwise, it’s a matter of taste and usage, so it remains a very personal choice. Best regards,
SC Scouty ·
Regarding the vibration issue, I completely agree with you. My Marathon Plus tires in 26/2 are still quite heavy and stiff! I almost regret my Victoria Randonneurs tires from my old bike—they might have been less durable, but they were much more comfortable and had better efficiency. Still, I got the bike without the front rack, which I added myself two months later. I really noticed a difference before and after the rack. I’ll definitely try removing the top fork mount to see! :)
SU Suil Regular ·


No control over gear spacing—you have to put up with MTB gearing even when riding on the road; Impossible to replace a broken wheel component (hub, rim, or several spokes) with one bought locally; Maintenance constraint of oil changes; Risk of losing lubricant during air travel; Inability to fix issues yourself in case of problems; Manufacturer’s limitation on the smallest usable gear ratio to avoid excessive torque.

All of this should be weighed against the positive points. Price is just one factor in the choice everyone makes. I don’t know the cost of a Rohloff, but I suspect it’s much lower than that of a high-end derailleur system for a road bike (like Super Record EPS).

Hi,

Regarding the risks of rim or spoke breakage, it’s worth noting that a wheel built with a Rohloff hub is actually stronger than its equivalent with a traditional derailleur: the spoke pattern is symmetrical, and the flange is larger in diameter. This means stress is better distributed, with better balance than on a wheel with a cassette. Rigidity and durability are improved as a result. Another point: Spokes can be easily replaced (without having to remove the cassette), and you don’t need to carry two different spoke sizes.

On the other hand, if you break a rim in the middle of the African savanna, whether you have a Rohloff or a traditional derailleur doesn’t make much difference in my opinion... In either case, you’ll have to figure out how to reach a town where you can get a new wheel or order one from a supplier or Rohloff (their customer service is very efficient and doesn’t hesitate to ship a complete wheel). Getting a wheel sent from Germany isn’t a deal-breaker for long-term travel, in my view. Small detail: some current Rohloff-equipped bikes have a derailleur hanger, which simplifies potential repairs. To wrap this up, you can find plenty of testimonials from travelers who’ve covered tens (or even hundreds) of thousands of kilometers with a Rohloff without major issues.

As for gear spacing, you can adjust the sprocket and chainring to suit your riding style—it doesn’t seem like a deal-breaker to me.

When it comes to cost, saving money isn’t the main reason for buying a Rohloff. That said, it’s still worth considering the long-term return on investment.
LE Levelo Veteran ·
Hi there,

Thanks for the details. The Rohloff system does seem really reliable—all the cyclists I’ve met seemed happy with it. But on really long trips, doesn’t that rim with its unique spoke pattern wear out just like regular ones?

L.
8X 8xc Veteran ·
For mountain biking range, that’s not really an argument—who hasn’t found themselves on a dirt trail or similar with a steep gradient while traveling, where the mountain bike gearing comes in handy?

This part is probably in response to my post. I was talking about the Rohloff’s gear range, which is similar to a mountain bike’s and, more importantly, fixed by design. Not the smallest gear ratio. End of my Rohloff tangent. There are actually dedicated threads about this system.
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BI Bikeman Veteran ·
hi there, some old photos of a bike still going strong after 24 years and 80,000 km on the clock. it was made by a bike manufacturer in Rive-de-Gier (Notar). For maintenance and simplicity reasons, we wanted: gear shifting on the frame, a 7-speed cassette, triple chainring. The rear racks were custom-made, Ortlieb panniers... still going strong 24 years later!!
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AL Alltrax Regular ·
Your "vintage" bikes look really cool!
AL Alsardéchois ·
Some really nice bikes. "The best jam comes from the oldest pots." I can't even imagine the sentimental value of your rides.
Cyclo touristes en couple. Tour d'EUrope en 2016, Route de la Soie en 2017, Afrique australe en 2018. Notre blog https://ensellemarcel.wordpress.com/
BI Bikeman Veteran ·
Got it—my bike had been retired from big trips for 11 years (3,000 km in Madagascar). After 2 months at home, I decided to hit the road again for a big journey (Mexico to Ushuaia). The bike’s actually on its last legs (there are even holes in the frame), but personally, as long as it doesn’t split in two, I’ll keep going with it. Not many bikes have seen the Andaman Islands, Sikkim, Bora Bora, Easter Island, or crossed the Wadi Rum desert…

So, I’ll try to patch up the hole and off we go!
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TV Tve64 Regular ·
as long as it doesn’t split in two...

It still kinda depends on the moment and the situation if it *does* split in two! Like hitting a pothole on a steep downhill with traffic...🤪

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