Skyscrapers, Markets, Ice Cubes, Tourism, and Waterfalls... Thailand's Excesses
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
The monks were also really unpleasant—very distant. I’d even say condescending.

So, one day, maybe I’ll write a few words to show you there are also nice monks in Thailand 🙂.

Okay, so is it ‘tu’ or ‘vous’? What I’m writing right now, at this exact moment in my trip, might not be the opinion I’ll keep as I continue or by the end of it. It’s just about the monks I’ve met so far… up to today, at this point in my journey. I’m not generalizing…
Je rencontrai sur mon chemin tant de difficultés Qu’elles furent toutes surmontées MIRZA GHALIB poète urdu (1796 -1869) https://www.telling-india-pictures.com https://youpic.com/marien
CA Calyssie Regular ·
Hi Jean-Marie,

Beyond my usual horizons, while India has always drawn me, I know I’ll never go to Thailand. But then again, you never know. I started this thread on a whim, with no particular curiosity, and from the very first lines, I was hooked by your trip to Bangkok and immediately followed in your footsteps. I’ve been quietly savoring your story, page after page, eagerly waiting for the next installment each day. Then came the fear that you might abandon us by stopping your daily wanderings and discoveries. But no—don’t scare us like that—you’re still here, sharing your emotions, disappointments, frustrations, lucky breaks, exhaustion, and all those feelings that color your explorations, leading us from streets to neighborhoods, from temples to markets. Thank you for letting us into your personal journey. Experiencing others’ lives like this is enriching and sometimes even helps us find ourselves. I’ll keep following along as you guide us through Chiang Mai, where I’ll never be too far behind your words. Calyssie
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
In my haste yesterday, I forgot to tell you that in the afternoon I went to Wat Chedi Luang, which I hadn’t wanted to enter when I realized the entrance was paid, while most temples are free to access. Actually, what I didn’t like was, once again, the segregation toward tourists. Yes, I know I’m often criticized here for speaking out against free or ridiculously low entry for some and a rip-off for others. Many of those who get free or cheap entry are much "richer" than the little tourist who’s interested in art, culture, and especially religion. I’ll never accept having to pay to enter a religious building, no matter what it is. I can understand being denied access to a sanctuary for ethical or religious reasons, but I refuse to pay just because I’m a "foreigner," implying I’m "loaded" or a "cash cow."

So I went back.

At Wat Chedi Luang, quite literally, the "sorting" (which reminds me of something) happens at the entrance. One passage for the "good" ones, another for the "bad" ones—the tourists. I pretend not to see the arrow labeled "tourist entrance" and walk into the grounds. Immediately, a guard jumps on me to force me to take the right path. - I’m Buddhist, I come here to meditate, to pray... Of course, he doesn’t believe me. No distinctive sign... So I pull out the little booklet I was given during my "refuge ceremony," which certifies my belonging to the Buddhist community, with my Buddhist name, the name of the old lama who gave it to me, etc. I always keep it with me in India and now here... - Oh, okay, sorry... You can go this way...

Last night, I woke up a little before three, and despite my fatigue, I couldn’t fall back asleep—I didn’t want to check the time. I don’t know how long my insomnia lasted. I was annoyed because I was afraid of falling back asleep and then waking up too late to visit temples before the crowds arrived. As a precaution, I set an alarm for 6 AM. Good thing I did, because I fell back asleep, and when the alarm went off, I almost hit snooze and went back to Morpheus. But I made an effort, thinking about the crowd if I went out at 10 or 11 AM. I forced myself up, had my tea and coffee—offered by the hotel every morning. And when I finally stepped outside, it was already 7:45 AM, though I’d wanted to leave by 7.

Here I am on the sidewalk, dazed, not knowing which way to go. My little voice, more awake than I am, whispers in my ear: - Since the courtyard of Wat Chiang Man is empty, you’d better go check it out before "They" arrive. At least it’ll be one temple without anyone. I’m not very enthusiastic because this temple seems small and not very interesting. But since it’s just across the street, I might as well take a look. My surprise is huge https://www.chiangmai-news.com/wat-chiang-man/ because by going around the sanctuary, whose facade is visible from the street and gave me the impression of a small temple, you enter a vast space with remarkable archaeological buildings. But I won’t post any photos 😊

Today’s goal is to wander aimlessly, without a precise plan, hoping to discover buildings—houses or temples—gardens, local product shops, and scenes of daily life. So, leaving Wat Chiang Man, I head down Ratchapakhinai Road. While strolling through the side streets to admire the incredible street art murals, I first reach Wat Umong Mahathera Chan, whose two old chedis, ignored by most tourists, amaze me with their simplicity and archaeological authenticity.





My surprise and photographer’s delight are fulfilled by a charming seated golden Buddha, moving in its sobriety after all those ostentatious giants everyone makes such a fuss about... Especially since its humble purity is enhanced by other statues and a very dark, almost black background, and a choice of natural flower colors—white, yellow, violet, bright red—also highlighted by this dark setting.



I continue to Wat Muentoom, where I’m greeted by beautiful lantern banners



and a curious blood-red statue I can’t identify,



accompanied by offerings of Nam Daeng bottles, whose red syrup is made from salak fruit. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salak This drink is often placed as an offering in sanctuaries. It’s believed that red is the color of luck and blood, making it a symbolic offering of life force to the gods. This reminds me of an anecdote that could have, if not caused a scandal, at least made me look ridiculous in front of many amused Thais.

In my first days in Bangkok, during the pollution wave that led to free public transport, I saw many bottles of red juice, which I took for pomegranate juice or a rose drink, placed on the platform of one of those little temples found everywhere on sidewalks in front of shops, private homes, or large administrative buildings. All those bottles, so many of them, uncapped and each with a straw, intrigued me. Was a party being prepared? A gathering? But seeing no one around, I thought it was a compassionate gesture toward passersby because of the heat, from the company (an insurance company, I think) that owned the little temple. Retracing my steps, I was about to grab one of those bottles to quench my thirst and hydrate when, suddenly, I worried it might not be hygienic for a freshly arrived Western tourist’s system, and despite my frustration, I kept walking. It was only weeks later that my driver told me they were offerings for the gods and that I absolutely shouldn’t touch them... To this day, I still wonder what would have happened if I’d drunk one of those bottles in passing...

Almost directly across from Wat Muentoom is Wat Jetlin. For me, it’s one of the most interesting and beautiful temples I’ve discovered in Chiang Mai.

Here too, an ancient brick chedi soars into the sky, very photogenic. The inside of the sanctuary is also beautiful, but I prefer to linger in this peaceful place, wandering through the flowered alleys and gardens, especially along its pond teeming with hungry catfish that rush and jostle each other to gobble up the pellets I throw them.

I really appreciate that these fish food pellets are freely available, with just a donation box for the price of the bag, just like candles in our good old country churches.



I return to my room thinking I’ll take a short nap, just to rest a bit before going out to explore another area, but I end up sleeping for over two hours... Too late to go out, so I decide to look for a driver for outings around the area next week, after the Flower Festival... Again, the hotel can’t help me or recommend a driver. The receptionist doesn’t understand what I want; she keeps asking, "Where do you want to go?" She thinks I want an organized tour to visit this or that place and refers me to some random agency. She doesn’t understand that I want a car and driver to go wherever I decide, following my own itinerary. It’s as if she’s never had a guest ask for a car to go where *they* want to go, not a place everyone else goes. She keeps repeating: Look online, search online. I can’t do anything for you. Since I arrived, not once has she been able to answer my questions or help me. Minimalist price, minimalist room, minimalist welcome, minimalist smiles, hyper-minimalist help and information... I’ve said it before: great value for comfort/price. Like an airport hotel room. Or a hospital room...

Finally, she hands me a taxi card... - Well, that’s what I wanted... She looks at me as if I’d said something outrageous... All this, casually, kept me busy until 6:30 PM, especially since, given her lack of enthusiasm, I did a search on VF in the meantime...

I’m ready to give up on going out, thinking I won’t have time to do anything interesting. Besides, I don’t know where to go—I’ve seen pretty much all the temples that might interest me. But I’m itching to go out in the evening instead of spending my evenings in my room. In Bangkok, I was afraid of getting lost far from my room, missing the boat or the metro... I missed all the beautiful temple and monument illuminations... But here, it’s a bit like a village... So I decide to go see Wat Buppharam, another temple outside the square, to the east, thinking it would surely be illuminated. But arriving at Tha Phae Gate, I have a bad surprise. I run into exactly what I hate. A crowd of tourists swarming everywhere. Restaurants, bars, party spots, everywhere. Lots of hashish shops every few meters, some even side by side.





And not a Thai in sight, and very few Asian tourists. It’s all English, French, German... It’s even worse than in the temples—I really don’t feel like I’m in Thailand. (Sorry if I’m repeating myself)

But I find my temple, completely illuminated, absolutely magnificent. While the crowd swarms nearby, just a few of us are interested in the temple sparkling with light. In fact, they arrive after me. For a while, I’m completely alone, and I can take beautiful photos at my leisure. (Which I can’t attach here due to space) Then, my GPS guides me back to the hotel via a route of my own making, with detours to avoid busy streets. But it still includes some nice little eateries where I grab a final smoothie—mango-pineapple this time, to switch from my usual passion fruit, which is my favorite. I feel like I’m very far from the hotel because I walked a lot without paying much attention to where I was going, but in the end, I realize I’ve returned to my starting point without even noticing.
Je rencontrai sur mon chemin tant de difficultés Qu’elles furent toutes surmontées MIRZA GHALIB poète urdu (1796 -1869) https://www.telling-india-pictures.com https://youpic.com/marien
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hello Jean-Marie,

Beyond my usual horizons, while India has always drawn me, I know I’ll never go to Thailand. But as they say, never say never. I started this thread on a whim, with no particular curiosity, and from the very first lines, I was hooked by your trip to Bangkok and immediately followed in your footsteps. I silently trailed along, savoring every page of this fascinating story, eagerly awaiting the next installment each day. Then came the fear that you might abandon us by stopping your daily wanderings and discoveries. But no—don’t scare us like that—you’re still here, sharing your emotions, disappointments, frustrations, happy accidents, exhaustion, and all those feelings that color your wanderings, leading us from streets to neighborhoods, from temples to markets. Thank you for opening up your personal journey. Discovering others’ lives like this enriches us and sometimes even helps us find ourselves. I’ll keep following your adventure, letting you guide me through Chiang Mai, where I’ll never be far behind your words. Calyssie

I always find it hard to respond to messages like this...
Je rencontrai sur mon chemin tant de difficultés Qu’elles furent toutes surmontées MIRZA GHALIB poète urdu (1796 -1869) https://www.telling-india-pictures.com https://youpic.com/marien
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I’m going to take a break from talking about temples for a while, or I feel like I’ll end up getting the same remarks that were made to Joël—aka Jojoone1—in his travel journals a long time ago. Yet, not talking about temples in Thailand, or barely mentioning them without lingering, would be like describing a scuba dive without mentioning the fish. These sanctuaries are countless. All similar, yet each one different from its neighbor. The common denominator: a golden statue, often exaggeratedly large and with no charm except for a few exceptions. It makes us proud of all our European Madonnas and Christs, which compete in finesse, character, and artistic refinement. Sometimes even in modest Romanesque or Gothic churches that have preserved a sumptuous work of art through the centuries.

Fortunately, magnificent Buddha statues do exist! But I discovered and admired them in museums, sometimes piled up in such abundance, in a single display case, such an overflow, such a profusion, that our eyes have to do considerable work to separate and isolate them from one another in order to appreciate their delicacy, distinction, nobility, or magnificence—whether they’re made of bronze, silver, stone, or bronze again, rarely in pure gold (which, by the way, aren’t my favorites nor the most artistically successful). But in temples, it’s all about "gaudy" and "flashy." It seems the motto is: giant and glittery. And in the end, I appreciated the kitsch and bright, shimmering colors of some sanctuaries more. But that fake gold eventually started to get on my nerves.

I have a beautiful large golden Buddha statue at home, which has a lot of style. It’s a very nice terracotta casting I bought over thirty years ago at a garden center, back when it wasn’t yet trendy to place Buddha statues all over your garden or living room as decoration. Influenced by the simplicity of some very beautiful golden Buddhas in Ladakh with their blue hair, I completely repainted mine in a very sober "old gold" color and lacquered its hair blue. I even went so far as to lacquer its "eye of wisdom" in the middle of its forehead ruby-red. The result was so successful that instead of a cheap Buddha I bought for 25 € at the time, my reference lama mistook it for an expensive antique artwork.

Last year, while preparing my trip, I was vigorously confronted by a woman because I had the bad idea of writing:

I understand the frustration of Thais seeing Buddha statues used any which way, like a vulgar decoration without respect, without any religious or spiritual connotation...

This sparked a whole stormy and polemical discussion, as often happens on this forum, followed by a baseless personal attack.

At that time, I only knew Tibetan Buddhism from the Mahayana tradition (Great Vehicle) and knew nothing about the Hinayana tradition (Small Vehicle) represented by Theravada Buddhism found in Thailand. So I didn’t respond to this woman, especially since I didn’t want to open myself up to provocations and personal attacks that would have followed.

Tibetan Buddhism is very different from Theravada Buddhism.

You can’t just buy a Buddha and "charge" it like you say—it’s a scam for tourists

Yes, the statues that Tibetan Buddhists have on their home altars are "charged"—the expression isn’t "as I say." The statues are hollow and always have a plug at their base that allows them to be "charged" with highly revered sacred texts, prayers, fragments of coral and turquoise, and sometimes a relic. The lama—not just any lama—authorized to charge the statue does so according to a specific ritual. It’s not a "scam for tourists" at all. On the contrary, the lama will never agree to charge a statue without knowing who it belongs to, why it was bought, and what it will be used for. Once "charged," it becomes sacred, truly representing the figure it depicts. It must absolutely not be opened once the plug is sealed and must be placed on an altar, where certain daily rites must be performed. It cannot be transferred, sold, or transported just any way (especially not in a suitcase or package). If its owner passes away or no longer practices Buddhism and wishes to part with it, give it away, or sell it, they must perform the reverse process and bring it to a lama to be "discharged" and returned to its status as a simple object.

It was therefore completely inappropriate and untimely to talk about intolerance because I had written that monks don’t like statues being used as decoration. We must respect their beliefs and not judge them as intolerant. And if this judgment of intolerance was aimed at me, the author of that remark is way off—my tolerance is well-proven. Besides, my Tibetan name is Tsultrim Tartchin, a very beautiful name admired and envied by Tibetans themselves, which could be translated as "The Perfection of Ethics." The name isn’t given just any way by the old lama who performs the "Taking Refuge" ceremony, but after laying hands and deep concentration, at the end of which he decides on the name suited to the person based on what he perceives by connecting to their "Spirit."

I devoted my first days in Chiang Mai to visiting temples, almost like "getting a chore out of the way," because my long stay in Chiang Mai was actually planned to discover natural sites in the area: national parks, mountains, waterfalls, jungle, wildlife…

This morning, I meet the driver I had contacted after finding his card at the hotel. To avoid any later discussions about schedules, mileage, etc., I sent him my outing plans yesterday so he could give me a quote.

It was completely useless because either he didn’t look at it, didn’t take it into account, or didn’t know the destinations. He takes my plan and… adapts it to his liking. Immediately, I feel myself boiling inside. I’ll have to be firm and negotiate hard to impose what I want to do and not what HE wants to do. Even though I had written everything down with all the details and instructions Joël had given me to ensure there was no confusion and he wouldn’t have to figure out the itinerary at the last minute, he didn’t bring my program. He goes to get some paper from reception and completely redoes my outing plan. What I like when I rent a car with a driver is that he just drives and takes me where I want, and then I manage on my own to walk, explore, and take photos. I also like the driver to stop whenever possible so I can take photos.

I explain to him that I want to do these outings every other day and rest or do other things on my own in between, without a car, on foot or by songthaew around Chiang Mai. I really enjoy not having a set "program" every day during my trips. I like having free time, free days where I have nothing specific to do, where I can wander around, go shopping, or even rest in my room reading or looking at the previous day’s photos… Of course, he agrees with plenty of smiles and flattering comments: Oh! Good, good idea to go there. And I see him taking notes on his piece of paper.

- But I already wrote everything down for you, even the itinerary details… - I accidentally deleted the message… And he adds: - But why take a day off each time? We can do everything in 5 days.

I’m not Asian at all—I don’t know how to operate with smiles and falsely kind words with someone who’s trying to manipulate me and do things their own way. I don’t feel like arguing for hours. I cut it short:

- Look, I prepared everything for you on paper yesterday so you could study the plan quietly at home and give me a quote. And I see you didn’t even look at it, and on top of that, you didn’t bring my program. We’re not going to argue for hours—I planned to go take photos at the flower exhibition today. So tell me if my program is doable for you and what your price is.

In the end, he rewrites in his own way what I told him I wanted to do, but I can see he’s not noting the precise details for the waterfall itineraries or the hikes I want to do once there. I feel myself getting annoyed. I’m ready to tell him I’m dropping it if he’s not more precise. But at the same time, it was such a hassle to find a driver who agreed to do my personal program instead of the pre-set excursions he usually does with the average tourist. Again, I explain:

- I need you for 5 outings, one every other day. I need you to tell me how much you charge per day, how many hours per day, what the kilometer package is, and the cost of extra kilometers if we exceed the daily kilometer limit… - Yes, yes, I understand, but I can’t tell you just like that… The distances are different depending on the day… Finally, he takes a new sheet of paper and notes where I want to go and what I want to do for each outing to give me a price for each one. He’s completely unable to function the way I just asked him to. - OK, OK, do it your way, and we’ll see the total cost at the end…

He announces a huge price for the first day, the waterfalls in Doi Inthanon Park: 5,000 baht. After much discussion to justify—and impose—his price, I get him to lower it to 4,000 baht. Then he sets a price for each of the following outings. I hate this way of doing things because it’s not clear—it’s an open door to more negotiations and discussions for each outing. He ends with a total of 16,000 baht for the 5 outings, which I get him to lower to 14,000. That’s 2,800 baht per day… He asks for half upfront: 7,000 baht, claiming he needs to plan his own schedule and that my system of 5 outings over 10 days instead of 5 blocks him from taking other tours with other clients… I completely understand, but I won’t give in.

- If it doesn’t work for you, I get it, but I won’t do my outings in 5 days because then I’d have too many days left in Chiang Mai without outings, and I plan to do a lot of walking during these trips, so I need a break between excursions to rest. But if it doesn’t work for you, you can say no, and I’ll find another driver…

We set the first day for Monday, the day after the flower festival.

I’m satisfied with my negotiation—I think I handled it well, but Joël suddenly cools my enthusiasm. For him, I definitely got ripped off. And to make matters worse, he adds: - You should never have agreed to pay an advance. You pay the full amount at the end. Joël’s demands seem excessive to me—I retort: - I’ve never had a boss mentality when I’ve needed paid services from someone. If I’m not satisfied, I don’t make a fuss, but I stop. If I’m not happy with his services, I’ll stick to the 7,000 baht I’ve already given and won’t go beyond the first three outings.

I’m disgusted. I log back onto VF to hear pretty much the same thing…

I’ve wasted too much time on this—I don’t want to ruin my day. I want to go to the flower exhibition… But I’ll still ask around during the day and the next day, and it turns out these are the current rates in Chiang Mai for a day’s car rental with a driver.

I manage to leave for the Suan Buak Haad public garden, the reference spot for celebrating the flower festival. First, I come across all sorts of plant and flower stalls, especially orchids and bonsai.



It’s gorgeous—it makes you want to buy some, but they’re impossible to transport, either way. I take my time wandering through all these stalls.



They turn out to be a preview of the park, which doesn’t open until 1 PM. I was in such a hurry to finish the discussions with the driver so I wouldn’t face too big a crowd…



Despite a huge crowd, the space is vast enough that you can move around and take photos without getting in each other’s way too much.



What surprises me again is how people are so eager to take selfies in front of the flowers but don’t photograph the flowers themselves.



I notice that European tourists handle the flowers roughly despite all the "DO NOT TOUCH" signs. Meanwhile, Thais remain very respectful. Besides, there are very few Western tourists.



The visitors are mostly Thais or at least Asians, and very few of those young people you see wandering around the city.



It turns out to be much easier to take photos without people in front of the flowers than during temple visits… But much harder to choose just ten to post here out of the hundreds, all as beautiful as each other.







This riot of colors will be my best memory of Chiang Mai—even more than the parade of floats.
Je rencontrai sur mon chemin tant de difficultés Qu’elles furent toutes surmontées MIRZA GHALIB poète urdu (1796 -1869) https://www.telling-india-pictures.com https://youpic.com/marien
SO Songsam Veteran ·
I’ll stop talking about temples for a bit

Something that surprises me a little in your stories about temples: unless I read too quickly, I never see you mention the conversations you might have had with the monks there. Yet they’re usually quite chatty—especially if you’re a man and it’s late afternoon in a temple that isn’t crowded with tourists. Haven’t you tried talking with the saffron-robed folks? Or did they not come up to you instead?
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I’m going to stop talking about temples for a bit

Something that slightly surprises me in your temple stories: unless I read too quickly, I don’t see you ever mentioning the conversations you might have had with the monks there. Yet they’re usually quite chatty—especially if you’re a man and it’s late afternoon in a temple that isn’t crowded with tourists. Didn’t you try talking to the saffron-robed folks? Or did they not come up to you?

Oh really? WAS I supposed to chat with the monks? What was I supposed to say? That I hated their golden statues? The constant, all-pervasive presence of Saint Donatien on the altars—and another presence I didn’t quite get? Besides, with very few exceptions, I didn’t come across any monks during the hours I visited. And when there were some, they completely ignored me, as if I were invisible. I’ve mentioned this before, but you must’ve read too quickly, as you said... No big deal... On the other hand, I did have a few rare encounters with actual conversations later in my trip...
Je rencontrai sur mon chemin tant de difficultés Qu’elles furent toutes surmontées MIRZA GHALIB poète urdu (1796 -1869) https://www.telling-india-pictures.com https://youpic.com/marien
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I think I understand why I have such fond memories of my trip to Thailand. For the first time in years, I truly felt like I was "on vacation." I love the life I lead in India since settling down there, but while it’s a peaceful routine, not much happens. There’s grocery shopping at the market, cleaning, washing dishes by hand, laundry, tending to all my plants... a nice life, sure, but still an everyday one.

For example, wandering through an Indian market with all its colors, scents, and bustling energy to take lively photos is nothing like going there to buy potatoes, green beans, bell peppers, tomatoes, onions, cauliflower, or bananas—and whatever else—while lugging around heavy bags.

Here in Thailand, though, I realized this morning—on Flower Festival Day—that I’m completely carefree, with none of those chores to deal with. And even if I grumble about all the tourists everywhere, their presence creates a vacation vibe. It’s one way to not mind the crowds so much. Like them, I have nothing to do but stroll around, take my time, eat out without having to shop or cook.

But let’s be honest, I didn’t have some grand adventure in Thailand, and I don’t have much to share beyond little everyday moments that might not interest anyone else—but for me, they’re pure joy.

That’s why I wanted to make the most of the Flower Festival and its parade, which I’d read was an exceptional event.

Every morning, as soon as I wake up, I need my dose of green tea to fully wake up, and it takes me about two hours to feel fully functional. That’s why I set an alarm to wake up at 6 AM. The parade was supposed to start at 8 AM, so I wanted to get there by 7 AM to find a good spot for photos.

When the alarm goes off, I feel great, but I struggle to snap out of a dream where I was transported into another life—one involving a medieval-style house like the one from my teenage years, but much bigger, with a huge bedroom far from the rest of the house and its other occupants. It’s a recurring dream. The way that house and that massive back bedroom keep coming back is so strange. Still half-asleep and lost in the dream, I quickly make my tea and go back to bed without a second thought about the time or the Flower Festival. I just can’t shake that dream or that room. I keep trying to piece together a reality in my head—where and when I might have lived in that house and occupied that huge space. But of course, I can’t figure it out...

Suddenly, I snap back to reality, remember the parade, and realize I miscalculated when I set my alarm. To be there by 7 AM, I should’ve left by 6 AM. To leave by 6 AM, I should’ve gotten up at 5 AM—or even earlier... So I bolt upright in bed, make a wrong move, and knock over my big bowl of tea. I yank the sheet off the bed before the tea soaks the mattress pad and mattress, but it’s too late—the pad is already soaked, and when I lift it, I see a big yellowish stain on the mattress. I panic because it looks exactly like a urine stain. They’ll think I wet the bed and ruined the mattress! And since all the bedding is brand new, I’m worried they’ll make me pay for a new one. Here, at this hotel, they clean the room and change the sheets every day. Luckily, there are tons of towels in the room. I vigorously blot the mattress and pad and hang the sheet in the bathroom to dry, hoping desperately that no ring is left that could look like urine.

This unexpected mishap takes up way more time than I planned. I sneak out, hanging the "Do Not Disturb, I’m Sleeping" sign to make it seem like I’m still inside. I don’t have time to walk to the train station, the parade’s starting point. My good mood is gone, and I’m feeling extremely stressed. I flag down a songthaew to get there faster, but it starts taking detours to pick up more passengers... It’s already well past 7 AM—and no one’s gotten in—when we finally reach the station. Like an idiot, to make sure the driver understood, I told him the station instead of saying I wanted to go to the parade’s starting point. No sign of the floats! A guy tells me where to go. Another long walk ahead!





Suddenly, I spot the first float—which turns out to be the last one in the parade—and I have to walk all the way up the line of waiting floats. I don’t hesitate and immediately take a spot at the barrier, right near the start. The first float is already in place. Next to me, there are bleachers packed with people, but I don’t plan on sitting in one spot. I’m happy with my location. But I remember that at events like this, there are always people who show up last and squeeze in right in front of those who’ve been waiting for ages.



Here, it’s all kinds of professional photographers, the press, security staff, VIPs... They gradually crowd in front of me, on the other side of the barrier. I quickly realize I won’t be able to take decent photos with all these people in the way. I glance around desperately. The barriers are packed. Then I spot a gap between two people and rush into it before someone else does. I figure out why the space was empty. At the base of the barrier, there’s some kind of box—part of some mechanism. There’s only room for one of my feet. Oh well, I’ll just squeeze both feet into that tiny space. There are gaps in front of the lens, but the view is much less obstructed than where I was before, and I can get some great videos. I’d planned to take photos with my camera and videos with my phone since the ones from my camera are too "heavy" to share... But in this awkward, one-legged stance, constantly switching devices between hands, it quickly becomes unbearable. So I tuck the camera into my pocket and just shoot videos with my phone, which dies after two hours.



We didn’t get in each other’s way too much. Not too many people walked in front of the lens, and I realized my guardian angel, providence, my lucky star—whoever I’d been praying to—had once again given me a great spot. In fact, I saw that 150 or 200 meters (maybe less) down the road, there were no barriers, and spectators were spilling onto the street, creating bottlenecks. I’m sure it would’ve been really tough to get good photos there. I was surprised because the parade started almost on time—by 8:10 AM at the latest—and lasted until well past noon. The atmosphere was relaxed, and the crowd was pretty disciplined, but it was a bit chaotic among the participants. Still, the floats were stunning.



I head straight back to my room, anxious about the stained mattress. I’m eager to see how it looks after drying, but I stop to grab a drink—I was really thirsty—and something to eat so I don’t get lightheaded. When I get to the hotel, I try to be as inconspicuous as possible and sneak in so no one sees me since I was supposed to be asleep, not out. Luckily, there’s no ring on the mattress pad or the mattress. No trace at all. And when I inspect the sheet carefully—thinking it might still be stained—nope, nothing. So I quickly remake the bed and treat myself to a well-deserved nap.



Around 4:30–5 PM, I go back to the Flower Exhibition for night photos. I thought I’d be able to get some great shots of the stationary flower floats with interesting compositions, but it’s an absolute nightmare. There are so many people who, instead of admiring the floats and the amazing floral decorations, are only interested in themselves in front of the float. I see some ridiculous compositions on their phone screens—either the person is in the shot, but the framing is so bad that the background is uninteresting (so why choose that background?), or the background is great, but the person is tiny and ridiculous. Same question: why stand in front and ruin the photo if it’s the background you’re admiring?





I wonder what professional art photographers—or even amateurs—think of this new selfie trend that’s ruining things for those who are actually interested in the subject. They can’t get a clear shot because of people standing in front. And let’s not even talk about the rudeness of others who walk right in front of your lens—or worse, plant themselves right in front of you to take their own photo...





People have forgotten that photography is an art. I never learned to paint, so I make up for it by taking photos. I love playing with colors, light, and shadows. And all these selfie people stand in front of a landscape or monument for ages, taking the same photo of their face 20 times. And instead of moving aside when they check the result on their screen, they stay planted right in front of the subject you’re trying to photograph. They don’t make any adjustments—they don’t care—so they don’t understand why you’d take multiple shots of the same scene. They’re surprised when you take a photo without putting yourself in it or having someone with you. During this trip, people have kindly offered to take my photo several times because they didn’t understand why I was photographing a temple, a statue, a bed of orchids, a landscape, etc., without putting myself in the shot. 🤷‍♂️.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I’m wrapping up this travel journal here, which was mainly meant to cover the first part of my trip to Thailand—my urban experiences, focused on the city, the buildings, the temples… If you’re interested in the second part of my trip, which is more about small towns and villages, nature, the countryside, and the mountains, it’s right here.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I think it’s because you hit the photo limit per travel journal (300).

I deleted my messages that no longer make sense. Could you delete yours too for consistency? Thanks. It was a VF glitch.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Oh no, don’t delete your photos... open a second travel journal and you’re off for another 300 photos. Thanks.

I deleted my messages that no longer made sense. Could you delete yours too for consistency? Thanks. It was a VoyageForum glitch.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
What if we tackle the touchy questions head-on? I’ll be straight—I’m having a hard time with photos where the dark areas are overly amplified. I’ve noticed this in other travel journals too, where it probably wasn’t intentional and was due to the poor quality of the smartphone lens (I’m guessing).

Did you mean to create a certain effect, or was it a setting issue? Was there too much light, or do you think it looks better this way? I think it’s cool in some conditions, but it doesn’t feel great to look at in a full series.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
What if we tackled the touchy questions? I’ll be straight—I struggle with photos where the dark tones are amplified. I’ve noticed this in other travel journals too, where it probably wasn’t intentional and was likely due to the poor quality of the smartphone lens (I’m guessing).

Did you mean to create a certain effect, is it a settings issue, was there too much light, or do you think it looks better this way? I think it’s cool in some conditions, but it doesn’t feel pleasant to the eye when it’s a whole series.

Well, it took you long enough to finally be honest! I’ve known for a while that my photos aren’t your thing, but everyone has their own taste. I don’t claim to be a professional—I just shoot how I feel. My way of dressing, the decor in my home—those are probably just as off-putting to a lot of people who struggle with "Rules" and consensus when you step outside or break them.

There’s no accounting for taste. You either like something or you don’t. I’ve seen you praise photos that were mediocre—or even worse—and knowing your "professional" skills, I’ve wondered the same thing about your opinions. I’ve even wondered if it wasn’t just your love of irony… when you give compliments…

A few of my personal preferences (talking about photos I see here and elsewhere): I hate overexposed photos. At worst, I prefer underexposed ones. I don’t like bland, personality-free photos, especially when the subject is exceptional. I really appreciate strong contrasts, saturated colors, chiaroscuro, shadow and light effects, black-and-white photos… But as a woman once told another who was a bit too vocal about her opinions on photos here: *We’re on a travelers’ site, not a photographers’ site…* And since we’re talking about photos on a travel site, I think—but this is just my opinion and my taste—that photos shouldn’t overshadow the text. Even worse when a journal claims to be a travel journal and is in the "Travel Journal" section, but it’s just photos with little to no text, or just a "caption" that’s usually pointless since we can see what the photo shows for ourselves. Photos should be there to illustrate the text, not to hide the lack—or absence—of it… And the abomination now? Photos made with artificial intelligence! I won’t open the floodgates on my critiques of the infamous AI. We’ll talk about it in 5 or 10 years… Maybe sooner… When people realize the danger of AI…

Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you gave me your opinion on my photos. It helps me improve.
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MI Milou2008 Globetrotter ·
I totally agree with you about the dangers of AI! !
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
You've got it all wrong.

A few months ago, I visited your blog and saw an amateur photographer—sure, but the quality of the shots was way above average. But hey, you’re clearly leaning a bit too much into the dark side, and those little habits quickly turn into obsessions. I’m not the last one to fall into that trap.

Then, I don’t give compliments to mock people—or very rarely, in obvious situations. Like when someone’s trying to play the artist but the shot is a total fail. If you want, give me some concrete examples, and I’ll tell you why I complimented you. My issue is mostly about avoiding telling someone when all the photos in their travel journal are terrible or laughable. Over 13 years, I’ve slipped up 3 or 4 times, and theoretically, I should’ve kept my mouth shut. Don’t dishonor yourself by assuming any of the compliments I gave you were meant to mock—because that’s not the case.

And yes, I *do* take time out of my hobbies to compliment or encourage other members. Maybe not enough—I often miss travel journals—but my time isn’t infinite.

You forgot that Françoise is the photographer, not me? I modestly stick to my smartphone, and after writing about ten travel journals with plenty of details and anecdotes, I’m currently limiting myself to a patchwork I hope is entertaining. If readers think it lacks explanations, they’re free to ask me questions...

As for A.I., it’s like any invention: there’s a positive use and a diabolical one. Knowing I’m a bit outside the usual norms, I won’t be using it to plan a trip. For the record, if you ask A.I.: *What are the most-read travel journals on VoyageForum?*, you get this answer: "It’s not possible to determine the most-read travel journals on VoyageForum precisely, as the site doesn’t publish reading statistics for individual journals."

Well, that’s false, as everyone knows.
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VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
Agnès, Françoise, Jean-Marie, and the others: show me your Thailand photos and I’ll tell you who you are?

@Marien

So I’m wrapping up this travel journal, which was mainly meant to cover the first part of my trip to Thailand—my urban experience, focused on the city, the buildings, the temples... If you’re interested in the second part of my trip, which was more about small towns and villages, nature, the countryside, and the mountains

The trick is obvious and won’t fool anyone. It’ll be J2MJ* in Thailand. The moderation team was right to tweak the title of these wanderings.

*Jean-Marie-Me-Myself
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi,

For the record, if you ask AI: what are the most-read travel journals on VoyageForum, you get the following answer: "It’s not possible to determine precisely which travel journals are the most read on VoyageForum, since the site doesn’t publish reading statistics for individual journals."

No need to ask AI for that kind of number. It’s shown at the top, right under the thread title—this thread alone has around 11,000 views. Once you start asking ChatGPT for help with things like going to the bathroom, eating cassoulet, or having a drink—a Sing Tao—you’re never gonna dig yourself out.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Exactly what I meant by that. QED.
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
The subterfuge is blatant and will fool no one. It’ll be J2MJ* in Thailand. The moderation’s intuition was right—they changed the title of these ramblings.

*Jean-Marie-Me-Myself

What subterfuge—I don’t get it? Why so much hate?

Like it or not, it’s not okay for a site to change the title of a travel journal, especially if it has nothing to do with the original, and even more so if it’s a negative judgment about the author. Oh, so that’s what moderation does? Interesting! Which moderator?
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
What trick—I didn’t get it?

The answer was in the series of messages deleted at Marien’s request (previous page).

Why so much hate?

While helping a friend is honorable, it doesn’t excuse a lack of moderation. The feeling you’re attributing to me is off base. I’m saying the same thing you did in message 163 of this thread, with one difference: I don’t skim-read Marien (imagine, a graduate with an vibe).

it’s not legitimate for a site to change the title of a travel journal

We could debate that, especially if we consider a forum as a media outlet.

especially if it’s a negative judgment about the author.

Errance: The act of wandering, walking aimlessly for a long time. Isn’t that exactly what the author is doing and claiming here? Errance—just like digression (and there are plenty of those)—doesn’t inherently have a negative connotation.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
What trickery—I didn’t get it? Why so much hate?

It’s not hate, it’s confidence. Unshakable confidence in one’s own abilities, intellect, and judgment compared to most of their imperfect forum companions. It’s always nicer when the person in question doesn’t express it explicitly or implicitly, but you see, we all have the need to assert ourselves to some degree or another.
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
That’s exactly how I saw it too 😄
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
And we deserve it. Weak as we are, we keep making mistakes, cutting corners, and exposing our always-inadequate culture.

The worst part? Some people realize we don’t even notice. So I must be wrong—I often tell myself that if I were less intelligent, I’d suffer a lot less! 😎
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
The loophole should address the 300-photo rule.

A rule that doesn’t seem to be fiercely defended anymore by the new team.

Maybe it’d be better to just scrap it then?

Or actually enforce it.

But this in-between approach isn’t fostering harmony on this forum.
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
1- The impression your post objectively leaves is a slight tinge of hatred, or at least a pretty negative emotion, and a sense of superiority. I won’t justify myself—just read it.

2- No, a forum isn’t a media outlet. Please don’t distort its definition. It’s a public space for expression. That said, we *can* debate whether the media-like side has started to take over VF recently, yeah.

3- There are definitions, and then there are connotations. "Errances" can easily carry a negative connotation—it’s all about the context. So, I invite you to reread your whole message with a bit of distance, and I trust you’ll quickly grasp the context.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
And there we go—controversy for 301...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
And there we go, the disagreement over 301...

Honestly, 300 photos isn’t bad at all. Having the option to add a second travel journal gives even more flexibility.

The site manager hinted that it’s about cost management, and I think that’s an argument we shouldn’t have too much trouble accepting.

What a paradox for Jean-Marie: someone who clearly favors text ends up running out of space for photos, even though he had to make some tough choices!

My take? I’d have loved to see more of these well-crafted, stylish travel journals. A style that won’t please everyone, but with such richness in both the writing and the images. Some dishes leave you wanting more, but with Jean-Marie, you get an appetizer, main course, dessert, coffee, and Calvados...🙂
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Apparently, that’s not enough for Jean Marie. Others have also bypassed the rule, so he’s not the only one.

I don’t think we should judge the quality of a travel journal’s writing or the photos shared to decide whether it can be extended or not. It’s way too subjective and leads to endless arguments.

Only the number of days traveled could be considered. It’s clear-cut, so there’s no room for debate.
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
This disagreement over the number of photos doesn’t matter to me and wasn’t my point.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi there, as Jean-Pierre Vidol would say, "find all the right tricks." Otherwise, when it comes to the policy of building skyscrapers, it’s an urban planning approach that’s almost outdated—especially with the rise of remote work and flex-office setups. That’s why, even in the La Défense district near Paris, there are tons of empty offices.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Maybe, but that’s what sparked the last messages in chapter one of this travel journal.
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PA Pagaljavab Globetrotter ·
Sure, but can we admit that the cause was just an excuse to make some really unkind and targeted remarks about someone’s personality (which could easily be seen as a personal vendetta)?
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I think there was a bit of a double whammy here.

The criticism wouldn’t have happened if there hadn’t been the trickery...
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DE Dennis2 Regular ·
And it serves us right. Weak as we are, we keep making mistakes, cutting corners, and exposing our always-inadequate culture.

The worst part? Some people realize we don’t even notice. So I must be wrong—I often tell myself that if I were less intelligent, I’d suffer a lot less! 😎

One way to ease the suffering: Buddhism… okay, I’m out
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
One way to ease the suffering: Buddhism.....ok I’m out

We’ll be even nicer and more pleasant in our next life 😉
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
And it serves us right. Weak as we are, we keep making mistakes, cutting corners, and exposing our ever-insufficient culture.

The worst part is that some realize we don’t even realize it. So I must be wrong—I often tell myself that if I were less intelligent, I’d suffer a lot less! 😎

“Pierced to the depths of my heart By a blow as unexpected as it is deadly, A wretched avenger of a just quarrel, And an unhappy victim of unjust severity, I stand motionless, my soul crushed, Yielding to the strike that slays me. So close to seeing my passion rewarded, Oh God, what strange torment!”

(Corneille, *Le Cid*, Act I, Scene 6)

😵🤬🤷
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi everyone, I was trying to delete my last message to Jojoone1 in my other thread about the continuation of my trip, but the entire travel journal was erased. I reported this new bug to the VF team. The developers have been working on this issue for two weeks to recover the thread, but I’m afraid it might be gone forever... Too bad—I was about to talk about my stay in Chiang Rai, which is my best memory from this trip... Oh well. There are much more important things in life...

Option > delete message. When I clicked the link, a message appeared asking me to confirm the deletion. And when I clicked "confirm," that’s when the entire thread was erased and disappeared...
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GA Gaura Veteran ·
Hi there, The bugs on VF are endless, but this one takes the cake. Such a shame for you and your loyal readers... I quite liked Chiang Rai too :/
gaura
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hello, The bugs on VF are countless, but this one is the worst. Too bad for you and your loyal readers... I liked Chiang Rai too 😕

Thanks a lot, Noëlle, but what can I do? If the travel journal is lost... I’m not going to start all over again 😉 Anyway, I just lost someone very close to me. I’m in deep mourning and don’t feel like writing on VF or anywhere else right now...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi everyone, As I mentioned earlier, I had some personal issues that kept me away from VF. I received a PM from the VF admin team letting me know the bug had been fixed and that the travel journal at https://voyageforum.com/forum/autre-aspect-voyage-en-thailande-villages-nature-campagne-montagne-d10775840 had been restored. I logged in today to continue and, most importantly, to delete post 106, which had offended Jojoone1 (a post I’d already tried to remove, but it ended up deleting the whole journal). I’m really sorry, Joël. And now a new bug is stopping me from writing any more... 😉😏
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I’ve been forced to notice that on multiple occasions, you’ve attributed negative thoughts or intentions to me that weren’t mine. Over time, it’s really hurtful. When people don’t have bad intentions, at worst I’m mischievous or teasing.

When I give criticism, like about photos, it’s just because I think that—it’s not to annoy the person. When I give compliments, it’s not to play the sycophant; it’s simply sincere. Believe me, exceptions to this principle aren’t for participants like you. If you’d like feedback on your travel journals, let’s just say you might want to polish your responses so they come across as… well-mannered 😉

I know your style and some repetitions annoy more than a few people, but at least you’ve got style—unlike some others.

I hope I’ve been clear? 🙂
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
When people don’t have a bad nature

If I may make a comment, it’s a bit like good and bad hunters—there are good souls and bad ones. Oh, and I really enjoy this travel journal—tell Marien33 I said so.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
You can only appreciate their travel journals, I think. Any travel site would dream of having clients like that...
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