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PO Poste42 Veteran ·
In 1920, in cities, did women in all French cities have financial freedom? Because all independence starts with money. And freedom from a spouse, submission. A little objectivity instead of naivety would be useful.
LE Lecoeurestun Veteran ·
I don’t know if it’s better now or if it was better before. Today, there’s a lot of psychological suffering. I’m not saying there wasn’t any before, but only those who could afford it went to see someone about it. The less fortunate were so overwhelmed by their circumstances that they probably didn’t have the time to reflect like we do now. Besides, introspection isn’t necessarily time we choose to take. We’d rather rush through everything (shopping, traveling—though travel *can* be a source of introspection—racing from theater to concert venues just to distract ourselves).
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello,

You know, back in the 1920s, young women who left their countryside—without any regrets, by the way—to work in the city truly found freedom and fulfillment. If the boss wasn’t a good fit, you’d ask for your pay and have another job the next day. People weren’t as stuck in situations as they are now; you’d turn the page, start over somewhere else, head to the other side of the world with someone... Even in late 19th-century France, there wasn’t this obsession with security, guarantees, or protection that we have today. Life was more adventurous, worries were more relative... It’s not absurd at all to think people were happier back then.

Now? Without identity, without religion, without nation, without struggle, plugged into the madness of media-driven fears and with no way to feel alive, people in the early 21st century probably don’t have many admirers.

Michel
JU Junolu Regular ·
Are you really that unhappy about it?
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
I completely agree with you. It was indeed a minority, because few women had the right to speak, laws were made by men and for men. They couldn’t vote, so they couldn’t run in elections, and there were no exceptions—all women were affected, whether emancipated or not.

Personally, I struggle to take voting very seriously, and I find the idea of a calling for politics even less appealing—whether it’s a man or a woman doesn’t matter to me.

But most of all, I think you’re focusing on facades, on the way history has been presented to you: women have always had power, more than people care to admit. In the Middle Ages, for example... And more recently, in many expressions of our societies—rural, maritime.

Michel
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
But above all, I think you're sticking to facades, to ways history has been presented to you: women have always had power, more than people care to admit.

It’s like the Turkish journalists in prison—we’re wrong to stop at prejudices.

How awful to read what you’re saying about women’s power. Not being equal to your husband or brother when it comes to voting—you have a strange response... democratic voting isn’t that important.

About the impossibility of having a bank account, do you have an answer like that?

About the impossibility of defending yourself against abuses within the "marital duty," do you have highly philosophical responses that leave us speechless?
EA Eaglefoot Veteran ·
But above all, I think you're sticking to facades, to ways history has been presented to you: women have always had power, more than people care to admit. In the Middle Ages, for example... And closer to us in many expressions of our societies, rural, maritime. Michel

Basically, women got the right to vote much later than men, but to you that doesn’t mean much of anything serious?

If women have always had power, can you give me some notable examples of how they’ve used it? For instance, in what situations have they banned an activity for men? At what times have they been able to control their own bodies as men have?...
RO Rotsaka Globetrotter ·
You have a way too linear and Cartesian view of history. Women were running everything behind the scenes.

I think Tatra’s butcher told him that the other day, so it must be true.
EA Eaglefoot Veteran ·
a submarine that hasn't surfaced yet! 😎
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Basically, women got the right to vote long after men, but for you that doesn’t mean much of anything serious? If women have always had power, can you name a few notable ways they’ve used it? For example, in what situations have they banned an activity for men? At what times have they been able to control their own bodies as equally as men?...

Looks like I’m inspiring you.

No, the right to vote has a long history—it’s always been subject to criteria: status, wealth, category... Limited to citizens, or based on income... These days, it’s still denied to foreign residents without raising your objections, I believe.

Personally, I rarely use it and don’t attach much importance to it. Plus, it’s mostly become a consumer product: we vote for one to get rid of the other, then later for a third to get back at the second for the disappointments they caused. There’s nothing in that resembling real projects or programs.

As for the rest of your point...

I don’t know much about Latin France, but in the rural or coastal Brittany I knew, women often held the power: controlling the purse strings, driver’s licenses, decisions on education, housing, investments, and real estate purchases. Fishermen husbands, even captains, would come back from sea only to be denied entry to the living room without slippers and sent off for a drink with the cash slipped to them for the evening. As for farmers, often it was mopeds or tractors for them—only the wife had the car license. You didn’t need a bank account in your name to call the shots back then.

When it came to controlling their own bodies, women have always found ways to have abortions, and I truly believe we’ve never had less control over our bodies than in today’s world.

Michel
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
Just one reply about how women have always had the power...

When you read this cliché, this tired old statement, you realize women still have a long way to go to achieve real equality. It’s not some random guy saying this—at a push, you could forgive that—but someone who flaunts their knowledge all over the forum with endless quotes. Someone who teaches and even questions the usefulness of voting. In short, a caricature.
ZE Zezettedez Regular ·
Hold the fire, the capercaillie is back
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Only one response about the woman who has always had the power.... When you read this commonplace, this hackneyed assertion, you tell yourself that women still have their work cut out for them to achieve true equality. It’s not some Bidochon saying this—at a push, you could forgive that—but someone who flaunts their knowledge all over the forum with various quotes. Someone who teaches and even questions the usefulness of voting. In short, a caricature.

I’ve never been in favor of equality, which is an absurd concept that ancient philosophers already criticized, but rather for equity, "geometric" justice, if you will. Women very often held a great deal of power, in fact—even in the medieval world. I suggest you check out this, for example.

Michel
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
....... When it comes to controlling our own bodies, women have always had abortions, and I truly believe we’ve never had less control over our bodies than in today’s world......
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
....... As for having control over one's body, women have always had abortions, and I truly believe we've never had so little control over our bodies as we do in today's world......states Tatra. There are things you just can't let slide—Tatra’s trying to shove a knitting needle up your nose. In the c........and you’ll see how "pleasant" it was to have an abortion, and I’m being polite. When I think of all the horrors poured onto Simone Weil for defending the law, I never imagined we’d still be reading this kind of nonsense today.

Having control over one’s body is a broader issue than just abortion: generally speaking, we have less control over it than before, and it seems hard to deny that. But of course, women had abortions—they risked accidents doing it, but they did it, and in large numbers.

Michel
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
Yes, even the prisoner—contrary to stereotypes—has full control over their body. They can slit their wrists, hang themselves, etc... It’s tough fighting against preconceived ideas, huh...
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
Michel,

Do whatever you want with your body, go wild, but leave women alone and go play in your own sandbox.

I almost feel sorry for you, all shriveled up behind your keyboard, rehashing nonsense while name-dropping philosophers (that’s what’s really annoying). You must be really unhappy.

This is my last message to you.
XY Xyz999 Veteran ·
Even though a prisoner has to secretly get razor blades or rope. Meanwhile, women were encouraged to keep knitting needles at home... as long as they weren't varnished, mind you...
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
Because you think😉 that in the 1920s women were *that* happy at work? Here’s an example: a young woman on her hands and knees polishing the floor. The boss had enormous power and enjoyed belittling people.

Your "nowadays," I gather you’ve got quite a bit to put up with.
HA Hannahannah Globetrotter ·
😉😉😉 That's a good one....

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