Petting a lion in South Africa?
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
You’re just one word swap away from the forum’s name. Check out the thread "I refuse to go: French travelers more reluctant to visit the U.S. with Trump’s return" in the USA section under the Americas. Apart from one or two who express themselves in a calm and reasonable way, I reckon everyone else has lost the plot. They’re doing even worse what they used to criticize others for elsewhere.
MA Manondugard Regular ·
The puma (Puma concolor), also called mountain lion, cougar (Canada), couguar or cougouar (French spellings), is a mammal carnivore belonging to the family of felids. It’s a solitary animal that lives in the Americas. Hard to spot, it looks like a leopard without spots, which is why, colloquially, it’s sometimes also called a "panther."

As for the other forum, you wouldn’t be happy there. It’s a bunch of old reactionaries who can’t stand anyone who stands out or has different opinions. They’re so sure they’re on the side of good that their only goal is to silence anyone who disagrees with them by any means necessary. They don’t even realize they’re worse than the forums they criticize. If you’re not woke or "islamo-leftist," if you’re not pro-COVID vaccine or anti-Trump, you’ll be persona non grata there. They’re about a century behind—they probably think they’re fighting the Third Reich. Not just anyone can run a forum. If it’s just to do worse than what you left behind, it’s not worth it to me.

I’ve been on the other forum for over 10 years, where I’ve had to change my username about 40 times and even use Anonymox to hide my IP because they’ll go that far to hunt you down 😏. Their only hobby is tearing down novice travelers and clicking the report button. The only issue is the automation—3 reports = an investigation and a timeout in the broom closet 😏. Of course, I’ll be back on the 31st, with a more polished vocabulary to bypass their filters and counter those snitches who make me sick just imagining their hideous grins when they hit that button. I won’t say more because they’re here too, lurking under different usernames 😏
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
My bad, I misread that. The forum I’m talking about is 3 or 4 years old. Is yours the one from Routard?
MA Manondugard Regular ·
My mistake, I misinterpreted. The forum I’m talking about is 3 or 4 years old. Is yours the one from Le Routard?

Yes. Hostilities kicked off in 2015 when I had the misfortune of sharing my trips off the beaten path in northern Colombia and in war zones that are still active to this day. Dangerous areas that I’ve mastered without any issues after 16 stays of 40–45 days each. They called me a liar, so I ended up posting my real identity on the forum (and they immediately dug into my Facebook 😏—some who didn’t even have an account created one on the social network just to snoop 🤪). Explaining that I was going to the Colombian guerrilla zone—the same one as the narcos—for something other than the conflict that’s been going on for over 60 years was a real battle. Why? Because these so-called "travelers" on electric scooters 😏 have a totally off-base definition of off-the-beaten-path travel (they actually just go where everyone else goes) 😄
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Oh yeah, that’s not wrong. Those so-called backpackers on electric scooters, haha 🙂

Here we’re careful because some real tall tales have already shown up
MA Manondugard Regular ·
I had done a little digging back then on those 4 or 5 pillars of this forum who are here 24/7. Mostly former teachers (probably missing being in charge) 😏
MA Manondugard Regular ·
Back then, I did a little digging on those 4 or 5 pillars of this forum who are here 24/7. Mostly former teachers (probably missing the chance to boss people around)

There was even a couple using two different computers to target the more vulnerable users. One day, the woman messed up by using the other computer to comment (and she got busted in front of everyone) 😂
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
This morning, at an exhibition of Jean-Michel Folon’s works. This watercolor is titled *The Silence*. 🙂



@Manondugard

Of course I’m going back on the 31st

Can’t wait for September!
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
🙂
MA Manondugard Regular ·
This morning, at an exhibition of Jean-Michel Folon’s works. This watercolor is titled « The Silence ». 🙂



@Manondugard

Of course I’ll be back on the 31st

Can’t wait for September!

After the cougar, here comes the broomstick 😏 I must say, some people here are really going out of their way to scare off newcomers. So, it makes me want to stay (2 forums to read—given the level, it’s done in 5 minutes) 😂
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
What was I telling you...😄
MU Muriel18 Globetrotter ·
🙂
MA Manondugard Regular ·
That’s exactly your motto—I disagree with you without even knowing you, but I’m sure of it 😏
CH Cheechako Veteran ·
those 4 or 5 pillars of this forum who are here 24/7.

Watch out, though—you’re heading that way...

2 forums to read—given the level, it’s done in 5 minutes)

😄 Well, after the nice suit aimed at the other forum, here we go with this one?
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
My mistake, I misinterpreted. The forum I’m talking about is 3 or 4 years old. Is yours the one from Le Routard?

Déborah would be thrilled 😇
MA Manondugard Regular ·
those 4 or 5 pillars of this forum who are here 24/7.

Watch out, though—you’re heading that way yourself…

2 forums to read—given the level, it’s sorted in 5 minutes)

😄 Well, after the nice suit directed at the other forum, are we off to a start here?

Maybe we shouldn’t reverse the roles, huh 😏 If someone calls me out or tags me, I’ll respond—especially in the only thread I started 🤪 (I’m polite, me) 😇
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
The topic of the post is Petting a lion in South Africa?
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
The theme of the post is Petting a lion in SA?

Whoa, and you’d better pet it the right way! Poor Michel, your post got wrecked
MI Michel85200 Globetrotter ·
Following a request from a mountaineer

Why We No Longer Offer Guided Tours “Walking With Lions” December 1, 2016 By Discover Corps

Why We No Longer Offer Guided Tours “Walking With Lions” Do a quick search for “Walking With Lions” and you won’t miss destinations offering animal lovers this unique opportunity for around $150 per person.

It’s easy to see why lion walks, lion cub petting, and other wildlife encounters have become so popular in recent years. After all, who wouldn’t dream of getting up close with one of the world’s most fearsome predators, or snapping an adorable selfie while cuddling fluffy cubs?

But how would you feel if you learned that once these cubs grow too old to be safely handled by humans, many are locked in cramped cages with dozens of other lions? And that they’ll eventually be killed by wealthy hunters who pay hefty sums to shoot their trophy.

This is the dark side of lion walks—something most of these attractions never tell tourists. It’s one of the many reasons Discover Corps decided to stop offering this type of excursion.

Walking with lions in South Africa

Why Walking With Lions Tours Are Harmful

Most people don’t realize the direct link between “Walking With Lions” tours and the canned lion hunting industry. Many attractions offering this interactive experience claim to be involved in conservation, research, rehabilitation, and releasing lions back into the wild.

Sounds like a perfectly ethical animal experience, right? But Chris Mercer, co-founder of the Campaign Against Canned Hunting, says the people behind these attractions deceive travelers in the name of greed and profit.

"Lion breeders outsource the cost of raising cubs by renting them out for petting, then, when they’re too big and rowdy to be petted, for walking with tourists. Once the lions are no longer fit to walk with tourists," Mercer explains, "they’re kept in miserable, squalid conditions until they’re sold as live prey to a trophy hunter. So every tourist who pays to walk with lions is contributing to the canned lion hunting industry."

But the problems these lions face start from birth. Cubs are taken from their mothers too early to be hand-raised and accustomed to human contact. As they grow, many are beaten or drugged into submission. So even if they’re not hunted, there’s little chance they’ll ever be released into the wild.

Walking with lions at Horseback Africa

Horseback Africa Tour

When Discover Corps unveiled its South African wildlife conservation experience earlier this year, I was struck by photos of a woman holding a lion cub. I knew Andrew Motiwalla, founder of Discover Corps, was deeply committed to responsible travel, so we discussed the center Washington DC would be partnering with: Horseback Africa.

"I knew many of these places bred cubs for hunting," Motiwalla said. "So when the folks at Horseback Africa told me they absolutely didn’t sell lions for canned hunting, I thought we’d found the perfect place to take our travelers."

With my background as a journalist specializing in ecotourism and conservation, I voiced my concerns about the legitimacy of these claims. We agreed I’d join the Discover Corps trip that summer, visit Horseback Africa, and share my thoughts on the experience.

It must be said that the facility immediately addressed the controversy around canned lion hunting with visitors. They insisted their lions were bred for conservation and never hunted. The question then became: if the lions weren’t bred for canned hunting, was Horseback Africa a responsibly run operation?

walking-with-lions-8 Why We Stopped

My issues with Horseback Africa began as soon as our introductory discussion ended and the lion walk tour started.

These “kings of the jungle” were kept in cramped spaces, in enclosures smaller than my modest garden. Yet the facility’s horses enjoyed vast pastures. The staff clearly adored the playful young lions (who are removed from walking tours after a year), but they had to hit them with sticks to stop them from behaving like… wild animals. One even tried to jump me from behind while I was taking photos.

But the breaking point came when we entered the cage where these adorable cubs were kept. They were so cute I struggled to resist the urge to pick one up, hug it, hold it close, and call it my own baby. I knew it was wrong. The other travelers in my group weren’t aware of the dangers of holding baby animals, and they squealed with joy as their cuddling dreams came true.

When I shared my findings with Andrew, he agreed with my recommendation that Discover Corps should no longer offer tours at Horseback Africa, regardless of their claims about not being linked to canned hunting.

"The more we learned about lion breeding," Motiwalla said, "the more we realized it’s simply impossible to let people hold cubs and then release them into the wild. As an organization proud of offering ethical travel programs, we decided we just couldn’t keep offering this type of experience."

Global White Lion Protection Trust

Of course, there are times when travelers can interact with animals responsibly. Discover Corps’ South African Wildlife Conservation Experience visits Maholoholo, a wildlife rehabilitation center. They work with “animal ambassadors” who’ve been so badly injured they can’t be reintroduced to the wild. These animals help raise awareness about wildlife conservation and offer the chance to take responsible big cat selfies.

We’ve also added a new partner to our South Africa tour: the Global White Lion Protection Trust. Founded in 2002 on nearly 1,700 hectares in the UNESCO-listed Kruger-to-Canyons Biosphere Reserve, this respected NGO is dedicated to reintroducing captive-bred white lions into their natural habitat.

Under the leadership of Jason Turner, operations director and seasoned lion ecologist, the White Lion Trust plays a crucial role in conserving this rare species. White lions disappeared from the wild between 1991 and 2006, when the organization reintroduced its founding pride. Today, they have six white lions and four tawny lions spread across three prides in the Tsau Reserve. Their research helps conserve this species prized by hunters and enrich its genetic heritage.

Discover Corps travelers get the chance to visit the reserve and learn more about the GWLPT’s scientific approach to community-based conservation. As Andrew Motiwalla put it: "We believe this experience will give our travelers a deeper understanding of the critical situation facing lions in the region."

And even if you can’t walk with them or pet them, you’ll have a unique encounter you’ll never forget.
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Okay, you’re usually more concise, but I applaud the approach:

We call things out because it’s necessary and it’s the right thing to do, but we also highlight good practices (shame the digressions in this post probably scared people off long ago), because thankfully, they exist.

Always the baby and the bathwater…

I’d even have added the link to the good players 😎

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