Airports in the Persian Gulf Emirates
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
I can't even imagine the state people were in on the plane, between fear and stress, plus a lot of empty flights too.
HU Huguetter Veteran ·
Hello, First and foremost, my thoughts go out to the Iranian and Lebanese people who are paying a heavy price in this ugly war and whose lives are constantly under threat. Of course, the poor tourists are lucky enough to be in countries with missile defense systems, but their only concern is getting home, and it’s incredibly stressful to wait with no guarantee of a quick return. Some are demanding immediate help and repatriation in front of embassies and consulates—total dreamers, no doubt... Over the past few decades, there have been people stranded due to coups (I’m speaking from experience), border closures, flight issues (overbooking or mechanical damage), weather, erupting volcanoes, viruses... I’ve lived through all of that, and it’s really unpleasant, but it’s part of the risks of travel.
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi, I completely agree with you. Catherine
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Completely agree with you. These are the most affected populations 😢

Every trip has a greater or lesser degree of unpredictability to consider and plan for.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Good evening, Some airlines are taking the initiative. A friend called me this morning to say that her flight to Doha via Jeddah scheduled for March 29 has been outright canceled. The full refund has already been issued to her account, with no explanation even though we know why. She called them, and the response was, "We are currently unable to guarantee our flights to Gulf destinations until the end of March."

Hello,

In the event of a canceled flight (even well in advance) and even in cases of "extraordinary circumstances," the airline is required to offer re-routing.

If the airline simply refunds the ticket—when the passenger hasn’t requested it—without offering re-routing, they must refund the price difference for any ticket the passenger had to rebook themselves. Additionally, since the airline failed to meet its obligation to offer re-routing "as soon as possible" (they didn’t offer any at all!!!), and even if there are "extraordinary circumstances," if the flight was canceled less than 14 days before departure, they must pay the compensation provided under Article 7 of Regulation (EC) No 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council. See here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/indemnisation-meme-si-circonstance-extraordinaire-droit-reacheminement-dans-les-meilleurs-delais/

And here (Article 4.2 of the "Commission Communication"): https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C_202405687

All of this, of course, applies only to flights departing from the European Union, regardless of the airline, as well as flights from a third country to the EU if the airline (or at least one airline operating a segment of a connecting flight) is headquartered in the EU. Note that the outbound flight is considered separate from the return flight, even if both are on the same ticket.

Best regards
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Yeah, it's true that those texts exist, but right now it's not relevant—the airlines don’t care about re-routing you and either refund you or tell you to wait. Over time, things might change, but for now, you’ve got to get home and find a solution on your own. Even the government said this morning not to wait for a return or help from the airlines right now and to take matters into your own hands in an emergency.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Yes, it's true that these texts exist, but right now it's not relevant—the airlines don’t care about re-routing you and either refund you or tell you to wait. Later on, things might change, but for now, you’ve got to get home and find a solution on your own. Even the government said this morning not to wait for a return or help from the airlines and to take matters into your own hands in an emergency.

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Hello, You’re absolutely right. That’s exactly what I had to do when I was stranded thousands of kilometers from France during COVID.

But it’s good to know your rights so you can enforce them, even in court if necessary, once you’re back. In fact, the amounts involved can be significant and hard to bear without later reimbursement, especially for smaller budgets.

But to do that, you need to know (and cite before the judge) the applicable regulations.

Best regards,
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Need your legal insights, please 😅

What’s the situation when a booking (PNR) isn’t canceled, but the airline allows a refund (still not the case for Qatar, unfortunately)? Are we entitled to ask for re-routing and ignore the refund? And if re-routing is an option, is it just the outbound flight or the entire round trip? If it means arriving at the destination but having issues getting back because the conflict isn’t over, it’s probably best to avoid.

Thanks a lot.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello, The question is simple: has the airline notified you of the flight cancellation or not? Important note: just because the airline offers you a refund doesn’t mean they’ve officially notified you of the cancellation.

Once you request a refund, you lose all rights to re-routing.

The question of the return flight doesn’t come into play as long as it hasn’t been canceled AND you haven’t requested a refund.

Best regards
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Thanks for the details.
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
After that, it’s also a cash-flow issue—some people won’t wait ages to find a solution. As soon as a full refund is allowed, they’ll take the refund and look for another airline.
SI Sinforosa Veteran ·
My thoughts go first and foremost to the Iranian and Lebanese people who are paying a heavy price in this dirty war and whose lives are constantly under threat.

Yes, it’s primarily the civilians in these countries who are paying the heaviest price—many children have already been killed.

When it’s all over, these people will have lost everything—their homes, their families—while Western tourists might already be planning their next trip or vacationing elsewhere....
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
After that, it's also a matter of cash flow—some won't wait ages to find a solution. As soon as a full refund is allowed, they'll take it and look for another airline.

That's what I plan to do because with Qatar, you have to wait for a rerouting 48 hours before departure.

PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
You’ll need to wait for the next announcement—you’ll probably be on it. The 15th seems really soon to me.
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Fingers crossed, yeah! 🤞 I hope to have an answer by Monday so I can pull the trigger on Plan B or C 🤞
HU Huguetter Veteran ·
Yes, and I think that even though we're on a "travel forum," there's something indecent about only thinking and ranting selfishly about our canceled flights or those about to be canceled, about our possibly disrupted plans, without a word for the human side. But that’s the image of our world... egocentric +++ I remember a post from someone returning from Ethiopia that particularly shocked me: the war and atrocities against the populations in the North had just ended, and two young women were raving about the magnificent landscapes they’d been able to admire... their successful trip... It’s clear that when our turn comes, we won’t deserve any sympathy
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
After that, it’s also a cash-flow issue—some people won’t wait ages to find a solution. As soon as a full refund is allowed, they’ll take the refund and look for another airline.

Hi there, That could make a huge price difference!

Even just from a cash-flow perspective, it’s likely to be very unfavorable.

But if you don’t ask for a refund on the canceled ticket, the airline will have to cover the cost of the new ticket—even if it’s booked with another airline—if they didn’t offer re-routing "as soon as possible." This only applies to flights covered by EU Regulation 261/2004.

The main challenge will be patience and not being afraid of legal action. Contrary to popular belief, it’s actually straightforward.

More details here: https://retardimportantavion/wordpress.coml

Best regards
HU Huguetter Veteran ·
Do you really think we’re gonna feel sorry for people who’ll have to shell out an extra 1000 € for a flight ticket when, just 200 km away, the Iranian population is fighting for their lives and freedom? Seriously, we’re not even living on the same planet.
SI Sinforosa Veteran ·
I think that even on a "travel forum," there’s a certain indecency in only thinking and ranting selfishly about our canceled flights or those about to be, about our possibly disrupted plans, without a word for the human cost. But that’s just a reflection of our world... egocentric +++

I even read somewhere (not on this forum) that stranded tourists were living a "nightmare." That’s more than indecent—it’s obscene to use that word when civilians have been living under bombs for a week and dozens of children have been killed.

But it’s clear we identify more easily with stranded tourists than with Iranians or Lebanese.

Not to mention there’s a dehumanization of certain peoples that makes us indifferent to their fate. Let’s not forget that when we dehumanize the Other, whoever they are, we dehumanize ourselves too.
NT NTO Regular ·
Hi there,

I just think you might be in the wrong place: you chose to come to an "airlines" space, and you seem surprised that we only talk about air travel and flight tickets here? If you want to discuss all the world's misfortunes, there are certainly more appropriate spaces dedicated to that... but this isn't one of them. Now, if every time someone posts something here, you feel the need to remind us that there are people worse off, rest assured, we're all aware of that...

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