Trip to Thailand and Laos
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HE Henon21 Veteran ·
Good evening Alain, Thanks for bringing up old Laos! First trip in 2000, then 2002, and the 5th at the end of 2019. Yes, in Vientiane, all the street restaurants and activities were along the Mekong. No train, of course, as you mentioned, and no Chinese influence either. The roads were safe except for the Capital-Luang Prabang route because local ethnic groups were fighting the government troops. One ATR plane handled the connections (ATR = "Always Late Plane," as the locals called it). And if there was a problem, they’d bring out a Russian plane (thanks for the model info), or as a last resort, a Chinese one. Like you, crossing the mountain range was quite the experience. A veteran from Dien Bien Phu! I met one who was a guardian at one of the temples in Luang Prabang. The markets were for locals but smaller, and the night market didn’t exist yet. In the countryside, elephants were still working in the forest. We’d come across them on the roads. The Kuang Si Falls weren’t developed yet. The 4,000 Islands were very wild, with lots of fishermen. Fortunately, some places haven’t suffered too much from tourism, and LP’s UNESCO status protects it. As your story shows, Laos still has many untouched spots, and it doesn’t have the overtourism of Thailand or what’s now affecting Vietnam. Two anecdotes: On the flight back from Luang Prabang, we’d leave our passports and tickets on an unattended counter and go to the market on the way to the airport. At a place to stay in Ban Khiet Nong (south of Pakse), they offered us a deal: if we stayed for 3 days and 2 nights, we could learn to ride our own elephants (females, which are more docile). We’d learn the words to guide them, hand and foot gestures (no sticks), and get each elephant familiar with our voice and scent, as well as our foot movements. No baskets, of course—just sitting on the head of our pachyderm. The instructor walked between us. Three hours of various exercises, and if successful, we’d go on afternoon rides through different terrains, the instructor (mahout) on his own elephant and us alone on ours (there were two of us). Then, longer treks like climbing Phou Asa. Unforgettable. Thanks again for this great story, and to Alain for sharing his first experience. Eric
PU Puma2A Veteran ·
Good evening Eric,

It was my first—and only—contact with that country. Regarding the A.T.R., I was told it was piloted by an Australian crew, which inspired a little more confidence. However, the access door to the plane was just behind the main landing gear, and I noticed the tires were worn "to the wire," with the steel cord clearly visible—it was terrifying. I’ve never seen a plane since with tires that worn out. A few years later, I learned that (unfortunately) this aircraft ended its life in the Mekong during a Vientiane/Paksé flight with few survivors...!!

I remember at the big market in Vientiane, we fell in love with a fabric piece (a sort of embroidered blanket) in beautiful blue tones. We decided to buy it, but the seller and her neighbors expected us to haggle (and even explained it to us!!). The fabric was too beautiful for bargaining, so I accepted the starting price. The seller was almost offended... and then gave me a substantial discount. 😐

Little by little, memories are coming back in bits and pieces...

On the way back, from Paksé, we were taken to the Thai border, where we changed vehicles and drivers. And within less than 100 meters, we realized we had truly entered a different country: a kind of serenity on the Lao side, and sheer madness on the Thai side (with a "wage of fear" vibe on the Thai road...). It was a small-group trip from the Nouvelles Frontières catalog.

With the current omnipresence of China in certain areas (seen in documentaries), I have no desire to return there (I feel more at ease deep in the Tanzanian bush... 🙂).

Thanks to everyone, have a great weekend!

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PU Puma2A Veteran ·
Hi,

I made a (big) MISTAKE in my post on the previous page: I called the first bridge gifted by Australia for crossing the Mekong near Vientiane the "Freedom Bridge". It's actually the "Friendship Bridge"!! Inaugurated in 1994.

(The name "Freedom Bridge" could have been seen as an insult by Laotian authorities...) There are now apparently 4 Friendship Bridges along the Mekong in Laos. My apologies for this error....

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RO Rouquine38 Globetrotter ·
No need to go that high up. Spending 2 weeks in Font-Romeu (or St. Véran) is an option—you can really boost your red blood cells! Of course, you need the time for it.

Yeah, but that’s exactly what we’re missing… time 😅
TF Tfcboy31 Regular ·
Hi Richard, Kate, and your travel companions,

Thanks for this lovely travel journal—it brought back such sweet memories of my trips to Laos (4 in total: 2012, 2017, 2023, and 2025). In 2017, we still saw Irrawaddy dolphins at the 4,000 Islands. I’m really behind on reading, but it let me devour the journal in one go.
RI RichardXI Regular ·
Thanks so much, Élisabeth, for reading us. You were really lucky to have seen the last Irrawaddy dolphins! 🐬
FL FloAsie ·
Oh no, honestly, one month isn’t too much at all! In reality, it’s even the minimum to start feeling like you can breathe in Thailand and Laos. I don’t know how to explain it, but when you arrive with your big suitcase after a 12-hour flight, you’re completely out of it for the first three days. So don’t forget that adjustment time.

Personally, I did the same thing last year and regretted not having four full weeks. Between bus rides that eat up your days, the diarrhea you catch from trying everything (yes, it happens even to the most careful), and the days when you just want to do nothing by the pool at your guesthouse, there’s not much time left. So one month is just enough.

About your Vietnam question, you’re right that there’s a land route. From what I remember, direct buses from Pakse to Hue exist, and it’s a pretty good option. Like, 10 to 12 hours by bus, around 25-30 € if I recall correctly. Honestly, it’s less of a hassle than going back to Bangkok and leaving again. That said, double-check the current schedules because routes change often over there.

What I’d advise is to really not cram your itinerary just to fit Vietnam in at the same time. It’s better to have two weeks that are truly chill in Thailand and Laos than a month where you’re just in transit. People who do that end up rushing everywhere, and in the end, nothing really sticks in your mind, you know?

Anyway, make the most of it and spend some time in places without trying to go everywhere. That’s my two cents! !
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Oh come on, honestly, one month isn’t too much at all! Actually, it’s even the minimum to start feeling at ease in Thailand and Laos

Hi there,

I think you didn’t read the context of my sentence—or the rest of the travel journal, for that matter. In this post, I was replying to Aleph, saying that staying that long in a small region of Laos (the Bolavens) seemed a bit much to me. As for our own trip (it’s over now, this is a travel journal), we did spend a month combining Laos and a bit of Thailand. But not everyone has unlimited vacation time, you know ;P
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Hi,

I think you didn’t read the context of my sentence or the rest of the travel journal, for that matter.

Yeah, because this isn’t his first time replying way off-topic—often with (sometimes major) nonsense or completely missing the point. His poor grasp of French* and AI are probably behind all this. *He often makes mistakes that aren’t the usual ones you’d see from a "lazy" French speaker on social media, but rather those of someone whose first language isn’t French.

Looking at all his replies, I’m convinced we’re dealing with this kind of joker: https://voyageforum.com/forum/ere-conseils-voyage-entre-ia-forums-gratuits-expertise-locale-d10788202/

The silent infiltration of forums Free travel forums have gradually become marketing hunting grounds. Behind the guise of "experienced travelers," you’ll now find tourism professionals, affiliates chasing commissions, or aspiring influencers testing monetization strategies.

Actually, it’s probably an entire marketing team—their writing style changes so much from one reply to the next. I really hope the moderation team wakes up and finally gets rid of them. By the way, I’m clicking the ad-hoc button to "self"-report this message right now to make sure they see it. We’ll see what happens...
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Hello, I say this brings back that amazing travel journal, and just for that, it’s a good thing!! For the rest, the joker is indeed well identified.
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
I must be naive—I never thought of that, but rather of someone who makes a splash by barging into a travel journal they’ve only skimmed, and gives themselves away with clumsy mistakes. That said, people like that *do* exist, right? 🤪
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
You're not naive—his messages without context can be misleading. But we’ve already run into that joker Songsam elsewhere on the forum...

That said, there *are* people like that, aren’t there?

Names, names!!
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
That said, there are plenty of people like that, aren’t there?

Names, names!! 😄

I know someone who thinks a travel journal is in progress, but... 😇 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=11469200;a=11469200
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
That said, there are plenty of people like that, aren’t there?

Names, names!! 😄

I do know someone who thinks a travel journal is still in progress when... 😇 https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=11469200;a=11469200

You don’t let anything slide! It’s okay, I was only a day or two late....
MU Muriel18 Globetrotter ·
I do have one who thinks a travel journal is in progress though...

Let’s just say it’s a notification issue that VF didn’t send out
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
So the fact that I set up VF so I don’t get any notifications works in my favor? 😎
CI Cibibi Regular ·
hi, when were you there during the year?
CI Cibibi Regular ·
I was thinking the same thing... I never saw that in Luang Prabang back in 1998... there were so few or no tourists at all...
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Hi, when were you there during the year?

Hi, in January.
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
For those who'd like to follow along with us in Morocco, it's here 😉

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