Voyage responsable et engagé
by MarineFx
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour la communauté ! Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème. Qu'est-ce que cela vous évoque ? Pourquoi voyagez-vous ou ne voyagez-vous pas de façon responsable et engagé ? Quels sont vos blocages, vos freins, vos peurs ou vos envies ? Que recherchez-vous dans le voyage ? Vaste sujet que je trouve pour ma part très intéressant et important donc n'hésitez pas à me contacter pour qu'on puisse aborder tout ça ensemble ! A très vite :)
Poser cette question aujourd'hui me paraît aussi débile que de se balader dans le métro avec une pancarte Free hug...
Bizarre , une inscription pour ça .
Ces termes m’insupportent depuis qu’ils sont devenus de vrais pièges à gogo , vous avez oublié solidaire , développement durable et j’en oublie .
Un vrai piège à gogo .
Une étude de pub derrière ?
Une vieille engagée et qui vas devenir enragée a force de lire ces termes galvaudés .
Une étude de pub derrière ?
Une vieille engagée et qui vas devenir enragée a force de lire ces termes galvaudés .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi tant de négativité. Je suis juste une voyageuse passionnée qui souhaite faire mieux. Effectivement ces termes sont repris partout et n'importe comment. Au final, c'est une grosse problématique et pourtant il n'y a pas tant de voyageurs qui voyagent "mieux" (si vous préférez ce terme). Je veux juste comprendre pourquoi, voir quelles sont les problématiques auxquelles, ceux qui souhaitent voyager mieux mais qui ne le font pourtant pas, se confrontent. Je suis peut-être "débile" mais je crois en la bienveillance, j'ai encore de l'espoir et je pense que chacun peut changer les choses à sa manière. Je souhaitais simplement trouver des personnes dans cette même optique sur ce forum. Désolée si je me suis trompée.
Vous voulez comprendre pourquoi , certaines rubriques de VF sont éloquentes , je pense à celle dédiée aux croisiéristes 😕 ou compagnie aérienne .
Beaucoup n’ont aucune envie de « voyager mieux » , perso je crois que les choses ne peuvent changer que collectivement à partir d’une prise de conscience individuelle . La bienveillance n’as rien à voir dans ce domaine , on n’est pas au pays des bisounours . Qu’est ce qui vous empêche de faire mieux d’ailleurs ?
En étudiant les différentes sections de ce forum vous pourrez vous faire une idée des participants , vous trouverez votre bonheur , toutes les opinions s’y expriment il y a de quoi bosser .
Excusez moi si vous êtes de bonne foi , mais votre demande me semblait relever au mieux d’une étudiante en BTS de tourisme au pire en une approche ciblée de publiciste .
En étudiant les différentes sections de ce forum vous pourrez vous faire une idée des participants , vous trouverez votre bonheur , toutes les opinions s’y expriment il y a de quoi bosser .
Excusez moi si vous êtes de bonne foi , mais votre demande me semblait relever au mieux d’une étudiante en BTS de tourisme au pire en une approche ciblée de publiciste .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Ce n'est pas parce que certains s'en foutent et ne voient que le business qu'il faut agresser ou tirer dans les pattes de ceux qui essayent d'avancer.
J'essaye de faire mieux, ne vous inquiétez pas pour moi. Mais encore une fois je ne vois pas l'intérêt de répondre à mon post si c'est simplement pour m'enfoncer.
J'ai 26 ans et ne suis plus en étude, la psycho est derrière moi (et oui c'est peut-être pour ça que je cherche à comprendre les autres...)
"Les choses ne peuvent changer que collectivement à partir d'une prise de conscience individuelle", on ne pourra jamais agir collectivement si les personnes qui ont la même vision se tirent dessus. Mais bon encore une fois je dois être trop naïve.
Gentil ? Ca dépend des fois. Petit ? Je ne suis pas très grande en effet. Clown ? C'est vrai que je peux être plutôt drôle !
Question tout à fait légitime, pour moi voyager responsable c'est prendre conscience de notre impact sur le monde et ses populations, c'est essayer, plus que de ne pas avoir d'impact négatif, d'avoir un impact positif. Par ex., en participant à l'économie locale, à une rémunération plus juste des populations, consommer local, respecter la culture locale (en préparant son voyage, en apprenant les coutumes et un minimum de mots dans la langue locale), essayer de limiter un maximum ses déchets, loger dans des hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsables, ne pas donner à manger aux animaux sauvages, utiliser les transports locaux... Bref pleins de petites actions que tout le monde peut faire. Mais je n'ai pas la science infuse, peut-être que je me trompe, peut-être qu'il y a encore mieux à faire (sûrement) d'ailleurs... Cela aurait été justement intéressant de discuter de ça, dommage.
Mon procès est terminé ? Ou je vais encore prendre les foudres ?
Naïve non , mais manquant un peu de maturité oui .
Engagez vous un peu , beaucoup même , vous avez le choix dans les diverses options que vous développez , et vous comprendrez ce que j’ai voulu dire .
Engagez vous un peu , beaucoup même , vous avez le choix dans les diverses options que vous développez , et vous comprendrez ce que j’ai voulu dire .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Manquant de maturité ? C'est sûr, j'ai 26 ans (et c'est facile de jouer sur cette carte) et je pense d'ailleurs qu'on manque toujours de maturité sur un sujet ou sur un autre. C'est d'ailleurs dans cette optique d'en apprendre d'avantage que j'ai posté ce message. Donc vous n'apportez rien à la conversation si ce n'est des reproches inutiles, encore une fois, rien ne vous oblige à rester si ce post ne vous plaît pas (ce qui est visiblement le cas).
Si vous avez fait psycho vous devriez savoir que la maturité n’ as rien à voir avec l’âge .
L’histoire est pleine de jeunes très matures qui ont essayés de changer le monde .
Ce n’est pas dans un forum de voyage que vous aurez des réponses à vos questions .
Cordialement tout de même .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Ton introduction et le titre de ton invitation étaient très mauvais.
Tu arrives sur la pointe des pieds tel un petit mouton blanc pour faire face à une horde souvent sans merci. Quelle imprudence!
C'est quasi rafraîchissant, mais tellement inattendu.
De toutes façons, tu viens à la fois quémander et donner des leçons.
Tu n'es pas à plaindre.
L’histoire est pleine de jeunes très matures qui ont essayés de changer le monde .
euhh s'agit-il de l'actuel locataire du palais de l'Elysée mouarf mouarf ? 😉 Pourtant c'est bien Corneille dans le Cid qui nous dit que "aux Ames bien nées la valeur n'attend pas le nombre des années". Quant à vouloir porter un costume taillé trop grand pour la fonction , un ancien premier ministre qui lui avait fait tailler son costume à sa taille y a laissé sa peau politiquement parlant
euhh s'agit-il de l'actuel locataire du palais de l'Elysée mouarf mouarf ? 😉 Pourtant c'est bien Corneille dans le Cid qui nous dit que "aux Ames bien nées la valeur n'attend pas le nombre des années". Quant à vouloir porter un costume taillé trop grand pour la fonction , un ancien premier ministre qui lui avait fait tailler son costume à sa taille y a laissé sa peau politiquement parlant
Bonjour la communauté !
bonjour vous même
Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème.
qu'est-ce que c'est un voyageur responsable et engagé ? Celui qui fait Paris-Bangkok en patinette électrique ?
bonjour vous même
Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème.
qu'est-ce que c'est un voyageur responsable et engagé ? Celui qui fait Paris-Bangkok en patinette électrique ?
Bonjour la communauté ! Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème. Qu'est-ce que cela vous évoque ? Pourquoi voyagez-vous ou ne voyagez-vous pas de façon responsable et engagé ? Quels sont vos blocages, vos freins, vos peurs ou vos envies ? Que recherchez-vous dans le voyage ? Vaste sujet que je trouve pour ma part très intéressant et important donc n'hésitez pas à me contacter pour qu'on puisse aborder tout ça ensemble ! A très vite :)
Rien que de venir poser cette question sur un site internet génère une pollution (électricité, achat d'ordinateur ou de tablette, connexion internet, fonctionnement de serveurs géants et énergivores). dont tu pourrais te passer. Certain(e)s ne sont pas à une contradiction près...
Rien que de venir poser cette question sur un site internet génère une pollution (électricité, achat d'ordinateur ou de tablette, connexion internet, fonctionnement de serveurs géants et énergivores). dont tu pourrais te passer. Certain(e)s ne sont pas à une contradiction près...
Bonjour la communauté !
bonjour vous même
Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème.
qu'est-ce que c'est un voyageur responsable et engagé ? Celui qui fait Paris-Bangkok en patinette électrique ?
Bonne intervention. Je dirai celui qui considère que le voyage n'est pas forcément aller à l'autre bout du monde et en avion (si on lit bien ce forum, on pouurait croire que c'est forcément prendre l'avion ou des bâteaux géants).
bonjour vous même
Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème.
qu'est-ce que c'est un voyageur responsable et engagé ? Celui qui fait Paris-Bangkok en patinette électrique ?
Bonne intervention. Je dirai celui qui considère que le voyage n'est pas forcément aller à l'autre bout du monde et en avion (si on lit bien ce forum, on pouurait croire que c'est forcément prendre l'avion ou des bâteaux géants).
Bonjour,
Par ex., en participant à l'économie locale, à une rémunération plus juste des populations, consommer local, respecter la culture locale (en préparant son voyage, en apprenant les coutumes et un minimum de mots dans la langue locale), essayer de limiter un maximum ses déchets, loger dans des hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsables, ne pas donner à manger aux animaux sauvages, utiliser les transports locaux...
Bref, voyager comme beaucoup le font, et sans utiliser les grands mots à la mode ("engagé", "responsable", "éco-responsable", "avec conscience"...). Sans en faire des tonnes, sans en faire, des théories, des conversations sur forum.
A propos de théorie, c'est quoi, un "hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsable" ?
Par ex., en participant à l'économie locale, à une rémunération plus juste des populations, consommer local, respecter la culture locale (en préparant son voyage, en apprenant les coutumes et un minimum de mots dans la langue locale), essayer de limiter un maximum ses déchets, loger dans des hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsables, ne pas donner à manger aux animaux sauvages, utiliser les transports locaux...
Bref, voyager comme beaucoup le font, et sans utiliser les grands mots à la mode ("engagé", "responsable", "éco-responsable", "avec conscience"...). Sans en faire des tonnes, sans en faire, des théories, des conversations sur forum.
A propos de théorie, c'est quoi, un "hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsable" ?
... là-bas si j'y suis...
Bonne intervention
bonsoir Xyz999 merci pour votre appréciation... n'empêche que raconter le récit d'un Paris-Bangkok en patinette électrique ça pourrait faire un bon roman ça
. Je dirai celui qui considère que le voyage n'est pas forcément aller à l'autre bout du monde et en avion
bien d'accord et avec les problèmes actuels du corona-machin-chose les voyages lointains sont compromis
bonsoir Xyz999 merci pour votre appréciation... n'empêche que raconter le récit d'un Paris-Bangkok en patinette électrique ça pourrait faire un bon roman ça
. Je dirai celui qui considère que le voyage n'est pas forcément aller à l'autre bout du monde et en avion
bien d'accord et avec les problèmes actuels du corona-machin-chose les voyages lointains sont compromis
A propos de théorie, c'est quoi, un "hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsable" ?
je pense que l'hébergement éco-responsable c'est de dormir dans des maisons en terre cuite ou de bouses de vaches séchées. Bonne soirée
je pense que l'hébergement éco-responsable c'est de dormir dans des maisons en terre cuite ou de bouses de vaches séchées. Bonne soirée
Gentil ? Ca dépend des fois. Petit ? Je ne suis pas très grande en effet. Clown ? C'est vrai que je peux être plutôt drôle !
Question tout à fait légitime, pour moi voyager responsable c'est prendre conscience de notre impact sur le monde et ses populations, c'est essayer, plus que de ne pas avoir d'impact négatif, d'avoir un impact positif. Par ex., en participant à l'économie locale, à une rémunération plus juste des populations, consommer local, respecter la culture locale (en préparant son voyage, en apprenant les coutumes et un minimum de mots dans la langue locale), essayer de limiter un maximum ses déchets, loger dans des hébergement (vraiment) écoresponsables, ne pas donner à manger aux animaux sauvages, utiliser les transports locaux... Bref pleins de petites actions que tout le monde peut faire. Mais je n'ai pas la science infuse, peut-être que je me trompe, peut-être qu'il y a encore mieux à faire (sûrement) d'ailleurs... Cela aurait été justement intéressant de discuter de ça, dommage.
Mon procès est terminé ? Ou je vais encore prendre les foudres ?
Bon, ils ne sont vraiment pas gentils tous ces gens, c'est une attaque en règle mais vous allez vite apprendre que c'est monnaie courante sur le forum. Ceci dit, j'ai toujours pensé qu'il valait mieux encourager les jeunes que leur couper l'herbe sous le pied. La démarche est bonne, peut être eut il mieux valu la formuler autrement. La question que je me pose est (en ce qui me concerne personnellement sans oublier mon conjoint) faisons nous lors de nos voyages de l'éco responsabilité sans le savoir ? parce que tout ce que vous préconisez, nous le faisons et je crois que nous l'avons toujours fait, vous comprendrez donc que le sujet m'interpelle. alors attendons de voir comment les choses pourront bien évoluer au fil de la discussion.
Bon, ils ne sont vraiment pas gentils tous ces gens, c'est une attaque en règle mais vous allez vite apprendre que c'est monnaie courante sur le forum. Ceci dit, j'ai toujours pensé qu'il valait mieux encourager les jeunes que leur couper l'herbe sous le pied. La démarche est bonne, peut être eut il mieux valu la formuler autrement. La question que je me pose est (en ce qui me concerne personnellement sans oublier mon conjoint) faisons nous lors de nos voyages de l'éco responsabilité sans le savoir ? parce que tout ce que vous préconisez, nous le faisons et je crois que nous l'avons toujours fait, vous comprendrez donc que le sujet m'interpelle. alors attendons de voir comment les choses pourront bien évoluer au fil de la discussion.
louxor71
C’est bien parce que j’ai toujours voyagécomme ça depuis plus de cinquante ans que ça m’agace juste ...un peu . On a l’impression de découvrir que la pluie mouille .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
Bonjour la communauté ! Je recherche des voyageurs qui aiment ou souhaitent voyager plus responsable pour échanger avec vous sur ce thème. Qu'est-ce que cela vous évoque ? Pourquoi voyagez-vous ou ne voyagez-vous pas de façon responsable et engagé ? Quels sont vos blocages, vos freins, vos peurs ou vos envies ? Que recherchez-vous dans le voyage ? Vaste sujet que je trouve pour ma part très intéressant et important donc n'hésitez pas à me contacter pour qu'on puisse aborder tout ça ensemble ! A très vite :)
Bonjour, au moment ou ce fil est lancé le voyage le plus responsable qui soit est celui qu'on ne fait pas.
Hors période pandémique j'ai toujours un peu le sentiment que derrière de jolis mots, des labels à la mode, certains cherchent à se donner bonne conscience dans l'exercice de leurs loisirs. Je limite ma consommation énergétique en tentant de rester le plus longtemps possible dans un pays, ce qui réduit les aller-retour en avion, mais je n'irai pas jusqu'à me présenter comme un bon citoyen en la matière vu que des considérations économiques dictent aussi ce mode de voyage (associé à la possibilité de rester longtemps dans le même pays). Plus riche j'agirais peut-être toujours ainsi, économisant les transports, mais là on entre dans le domaine des "si".
Le terme "engagé" me fait un peu peur, j'y perçois une forme d'injonction, une source de stress, stress que je vis mal. La rubrique "humanitaire" pullule de personnes à la recherche de vacances humanitaires, peu importe l'objectif visé dès lors que le mot "humanitaire" peut lui être accolé. Doit-on alors parler de voyage "responsable et engagé"? Je n'y vois rien de responsable, maintenant pour ce qui est de l'engagement je ne le vois pas plus que pour une croisière sur le Nil via un tour opérateur (croisière que je recommande chaudement au passage, enfin pas maintenant quand même)
Ah si je commence à percevoir un truc à coller sur le mot "responsable". Randonnant je suis agréablement surpris par la propreté des chemins de randonnée... quand on s'éloigne des bourgades et routes. Le mot "responsable" je l'associe ici au randonneur qui ne va pas balancer ses déchets n'importe où en opposition au type qui depuis sa voiture (ou sa moto) va considérer la nature comme une vaste décharge. J'associe (décidément l'inspiration vient avec l'usage de la plume) le mot "responsable" au fait de se demander comment les choses seraient si tout le monde adoptait tel ou tel comportement. Par exemple que se passerait-il si la plupart des touristes occidentaux donnaient des bonbons ou stylos au premier gamin qui traine? C'est déjà le cas répondront d'aucuns... Que se passerait-il si des occidentaux manifestaient trop bruyamment leur désir de sauver le monde via des projets labellisés "humanitaires"? Ben je suppose l'apparition d'officines douteuses vendant à d'occidentaux pigeons des certificats d'humanitarisme où, moyennement finances, ils auront l'immense privilège de travailler bénévolement dans des pays qui n'ont pas besoin d'eux.
Pour moi voyager "responsable" c'est moins chercher à sauver le monde qu'à tenter de limiter l'impact négatif que nos voyages peuvent avoir sur lui.
Bonjour, au moment ou ce fil est lancé le voyage le plus responsable qui soit est celui qu'on ne fait pas.
Hors période pandémique j'ai toujours un peu le sentiment que derrière de jolis mots, des labels à la mode, certains cherchent à se donner bonne conscience dans l'exercice de leurs loisirs. Je limite ma consommation énergétique en tentant de rester le plus longtemps possible dans un pays, ce qui réduit les aller-retour en avion, mais je n'irai pas jusqu'à me présenter comme un bon citoyen en la matière vu que des considérations économiques dictent aussi ce mode de voyage (associé à la possibilité de rester longtemps dans le même pays). Plus riche j'agirais peut-être toujours ainsi, économisant les transports, mais là on entre dans le domaine des "si".
Le terme "engagé" me fait un peu peur, j'y perçois une forme d'injonction, une source de stress, stress que je vis mal. La rubrique "humanitaire" pullule de personnes à la recherche de vacances humanitaires, peu importe l'objectif visé dès lors que le mot "humanitaire" peut lui être accolé. Doit-on alors parler de voyage "responsable et engagé"? Je n'y vois rien de responsable, maintenant pour ce qui est de l'engagement je ne le vois pas plus que pour une croisière sur le Nil via un tour opérateur (croisière que je recommande chaudement au passage, enfin pas maintenant quand même)
Ah si je commence à percevoir un truc à coller sur le mot "responsable". Randonnant je suis agréablement surpris par la propreté des chemins de randonnée... quand on s'éloigne des bourgades et routes. Le mot "responsable" je l'associe ici au randonneur qui ne va pas balancer ses déchets n'importe où en opposition au type qui depuis sa voiture (ou sa moto) va considérer la nature comme une vaste décharge. J'associe (décidément l'inspiration vient avec l'usage de la plume) le mot "responsable" au fait de se demander comment les choses seraient si tout le monde adoptait tel ou tel comportement. Par exemple que se passerait-il si la plupart des touristes occidentaux donnaient des bonbons ou stylos au premier gamin qui traine? C'est déjà le cas répondront d'aucuns... Que se passerait-il si des occidentaux manifestaient trop bruyamment leur désir de sauver le monde via des projets labellisés "humanitaires"? Ben je suppose l'apparition d'officines douteuses vendant à d'occidentaux pigeons des certificats d'humanitarisme où, moyennement finances, ils auront l'immense privilège de travailler bénévolement dans des pays qui n'ont pas besoin d'eux.
Pour moi voyager "responsable" c'est moins chercher à sauver le monde qu'à tenter de limiter l'impact négatif que nos voyages peuvent avoir sur lui.
"La seule chose dont on soit sûr, en ce qui concerne l'avenir, c'est qu'il n'est jamais conforme à nos prévisions." (Jean Dutourd)
Le terme "engagé" me fait un peu peur, j'y perçois une forme d'injonction, une source de stress, stress que je vis mal.
Pour moi voyager "responsable" c'est moins chercher à sauver le monde qu'à tenter de limiter l'impact négatif que nos voyages peuvent avoir sur lui.
Pourquoi vouloir enfoncer des portes ouvertes ?
Mais encore...
Depuis le jeune étendard manipulé par le lobby écologique moral ... la prise d'inconscience se propage à la manière d'un virus et apparaissent ainsi de nouvelles mini-Greta Thunberg généreuses, oui, mais si tendrement naives.
Pour moi voyager "responsable" c'est moins chercher à sauver le monde qu'à tenter de limiter l'impact négatif que nos voyages peuvent avoir sur lui.
Pourquoi vouloir enfoncer des portes ouvertes ?
Mais encore...
Depuis le jeune étendard manipulé par le lobby écologique moral ... la prise d'inconscience se propage à la manière d'un virus et apparaissent ainsi de nouvelles mini-Greta Thunberg généreuses, oui, mais si tendrement naives.
Bonjour,
Moi c'est pareil, agacée par ces jeunes qui veulent nous apprendre à vivre mais j'ai voulu le prendre plus légèrement. Il n'y a pas longtemps, une jeune me dit, maintenant c'est bien pour faire les courses on fait des filets en coton, mais j'ai toujours vu ma mère et ma grand mère avec des filets à provisions. Ils n'ont rien inventé du tout, on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier. Un jour, un cretin a inventé les sacs en plastique, celui là on devrait lui donner la médaille de la connererie, Allez voir sur les sites zero déchet, je me marre quand je vois les prix de leurs articles. On nous prend pour des enfants, on est tout à fait capable de discernement, on n'est pas encore séniles que je sache, sinon, on n'écrirait pas sur le forum.
Moi c'est pareil, agacée par ces jeunes qui veulent nous apprendre à vivre mais j'ai voulu le prendre plus légèrement. Il n'y a pas longtemps, une jeune me dit, maintenant c'est bien pour faire les courses on fait des filets en coton, mais j'ai toujours vu ma mère et ma grand mère avec des filets à provisions. Ils n'ont rien inventé du tout, on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier. Un jour, un cretin a inventé les sacs en plastique, celui là on devrait lui donner la médaille de la connererie, Allez voir sur les sites zero déchet, je me marre quand je vois les prix de leurs articles. On nous prend pour des enfants, on est tout à fait capable de discernement, on n'est pas encore séniles que je sache, sinon, on n'écrirait pas sur le forum.
louxor71
Il n'y a pas longtemps, une jeune me dit, maintenant c'est bien pour faire les courses on fait des filets en coton, mais j'ai toujours vu ma mère et ma grand mère avec des filets à provisions. Ils n'ont rien inventé du tout, on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier. Un jour, un cretin a inventé les sacs en plastique, celui là on devrait lui donner la médaille de la connererie, Allez voir sur les sites zero déchet, je me marre quand je vois les prix de leurs articles.
On nous prend pour des enfants
Oui mais 99 % de la population a utilisé des sacs en plastique depuis les années 70, c'est bien que ce sont des enfants.
(personnellement j'écoute beaucoup les jeunes, sur certains sujets ils ont bien plus de lucidité)
Oui mais 99 % de la population a utilisé des sacs en plastique depuis les années 70, c'est bien que ce sont des enfants.
(personnellement j'écoute beaucoup les jeunes, sur certains sujets ils ont bien plus de lucidité)
Oui mais 99 % de la population a utilisé des sacs en plastique depuis les années 70, c'est bien que ce sont des enfants.
(personnellement j'écoute beaucoup les jeunes, sur certains sujets ils ont bien plus de lucidité)
Bien sûr, on nous a enlevé les sacs papier à ce moment et nous les remet maintenant. Constat. Quant à la jeunesse, on sait très bien qu'elle est manipulée.
(personnellement j'écoute beaucoup les jeunes, sur certains sujets ils ont bien plus de lucidité)
Bien sûr, on nous a enlevé les sacs papier à ce moment et nous les remet maintenant. Constat. Quant à la jeunesse, on sait très bien qu'elle est manipulée.
louxor71
Quant à la jeunesse, on sait très bien qu'elle est manipulée.
Peut-être plus influençable oui. Mais d'un autre côté, réfléchissant plus que les vieux, surtout si ils restent campé sur leurs certitudes que eux, ils ont tout inventé quand ils étaient jeunes (et bonjour la contradiction).
Pour beaucoup de sujets, les nouvelles générations font avancer la société de façon très positive. Par exemple, il y a beaucoup de végétariens... ce sont des investissement qui vont beaucoup plus loin que le simple moutonnisme. Le féminisme a fait un bond très spectaculaire grâce aux nouvelles générations, on leur doit ça.
Je travaille entouré de gens qui ont la trentaine, d'un point de vue des relations sociales, ça c'est beaucoup amélioré par rapport à mes collègues soixante-huitards.
J'ai connu beaucoup de tyrans dans ma vie professionnelle, ça n'existe plus chez les nouvelles générations, les gens sont beaucoup plus civilisés de ce côté là.
Ce genre de choses ne relève pas du moutonnisme.
Peut-être plus influençable oui. Mais d'un autre côté, réfléchissant plus que les vieux, surtout si ils restent campé sur leurs certitudes que eux, ils ont tout inventé quand ils étaient jeunes (et bonjour la contradiction).
Pour beaucoup de sujets, les nouvelles générations font avancer la société de façon très positive. Par exemple, il y a beaucoup de végétariens... ce sont des investissement qui vont beaucoup plus loin que le simple moutonnisme. Le féminisme a fait un bond très spectaculaire grâce aux nouvelles générations, on leur doit ça.
Je travaille entouré de gens qui ont la trentaine, d'un point de vue des relations sociales, ça c'est beaucoup amélioré par rapport à mes collègues soixante-huitards.
J'ai connu beaucoup de tyrans dans ma vie professionnelle, ça n'existe plus chez les nouvelles générations, les gens sont beaucoup plus civilisés de ce côté là.
Ce genre de choses ne relève pas du moutonnisme.
Il n'y a pas longtemps, une jeune me dit, maintenant c'est bien pour faire les courses on fait des filets en coton, mais j'ai toujours vu ma mère et ma grand mère avec des filets à provisions. Ils n'ont rien inventé du tout, on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier.
Dans mes bras ! (euh... pas d'emballement, c'est une expression ^^)
C'est tellement vrai. Aujourd'hui, les gens redécouvrent les habitudes du siècle dernier, basées sur la tradition et le bon sens. Ce qui est un peu pénible, c'est que certains ignorants appellent ça des inventions...
Dans mes bras ! (euh... pas d'emballement, c'est une expression ^^)
C'est tellement vrai. Aujourd'hui, les gens redécouvrent les habitudes du siècle dernier, basées sur la tradition et le bon sens. Ce qui est un peu pénible, c'est que certains ignorants appellent ça des inventions...
Il n'y a pas longtemps, une jeune me dit, maintenant c'est bien pour faire les courses on fait des filets en coton, mais j'ai toujours vu ma mère et ma grand mère avec des filets à provisions. Ils n'ont rien inventé du tout, on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier.
Dans mes bras ! (euh... pas d'emballement, c'est une expression ^^)
C'est tellement vrai. Aujourd'hui, les gens redécouvrent les habitudes du siècle dernier, basées sur la tradition et le bon sens. Ce qui est un peu pénible, c'est que certains ignorants appellent ça des inventions...
Merci, merci
Dans mes bras ! (euh... pas d'emballement, c'est une expression ^^)
C'est tellement vrai. Aujourd'hui, les gens redécouvrent les habitudes du siècle dernier, basées sur la tradition et le bon sens. Ce qui est un peu pénible, c'est que certains ignorants appellent ça des inventions...
Merci, merci
louxor71
Je travaille entouré de gens qui ont la trentaine, d'un point de vue des relations sociales, ça c'est beaucoup amélioré par rapport à mes collègues soixante-huitards.
c'est curieux pourtant je pensais que dans l'esprit mai 68, *il fallait créer des communautés "cool" et produire du fromage dans le Larzac *défendre les valeurs féministes, sous l'impulsion des Sartre, de Beauvoir, Foucault *être anar sur les bords... *ne pas se conformer à l'étiquette bourgeoise ou alors c'est que je n'ai rien compris à l'esprit de mai 68 😇
c'est curieux pourtant je pensais que dans l'esprit mai 68, *il fallait créer des communautés "cool" et produire du fromage dans le Larzac *défendre les valeurs féministes, sous l'impulsion des Sartre, de Beauvoir, Foucault *être anar sur les bords... *ne pas se conformer à l'étiquette bourgeoise ou alors c'est que je n'ai rien compris à l'esprit de mai 68 😇
EN fait, je constate de plus en plus que c'est à cause de gens comme vous qu'on arrive à des conflits inter générationnels, ça en amuse certains.
il ne faut pas s'en prendre à Mr xyz999 qui fait des remarques pertinentes mais à la société elle-même qui est toujours mutante. La manière de dessiner et de normer la société n'est pas gravée dans le marbre.
il ne faut pas s'en prendre à Mr xyz999 qui fait des remarques pertinentes mais à la société elle-même qui est toujours mutante. La manière de dessiner et de normer la société n'est pas gravée dans le marbre.
EN fait, je constate de plus en plus que c'est à cause de gens comme vous qu'on arrive à des conflits inter générationnels, ça en amuse certains.
Ah bon. Parce que dire "les jeunes sont cons" c'est empêcher les conflits inter-générationnels ?
Je n'ai JAMAIS dit ça
Ce que vous dites ne tient pas debout.
Ah bon. Parce que dire "les jeunes sont cons" c'est empêcher les conflits inter-générationnels ?
Je n'ai JAMAIS dit ça
Ce que vous dites ne tient pas debout.
louxor71
Moi c'est pareil, agacée par ces jeunes qui veulent nous apprendre à vivre mais j'ai voulu le prendre plus légèrement.
Tu as eu raison je pense, mais je ne crois pas que les jeunes qui ont envie de s'exprimer veulent nous apprendre à vivre. Ils imaginent beaucoup et c'est super. Leur expression dérange mais leur intention n'est pas forcément/généralement agressive.
on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier. Un jour, un cretin a inventé les sacs en plastique, celui là on devrait lui donner la médaille de la connererie, Allez voir sur les sites zero déchet, je me marre quand je vois les prix de leurs articles.
... tu voulais dire.... dans des pages du journal ou, un peu avant, dans des pages des "Veillées des chaumières". Car à ces époques... les sacs en papier !! ?
On nous prend pour des enfants, on est tout à fait capable de discernement, on n'est pas encore séniles que je sache, sinon, on n'écrirait pas sur le forum.
Es-tu en manque de reconnaissance de ta valeur ?
Et je me permettrai d'ajouter, accessoirement, que "ceux qui ont inventé le sac plastique" n'étaient certainement pas des cons.
Tu as eu raison je pense, mais je ne crois pas que les jeunes qui ont envie de s'exprimer veulent nous apprendre à vivre. Ils imaginent beaucoup et c'est super. Leur expression dérange mais leur intention n'est pas forcément/généralement agressive.
on nous mettait nos fruits, nos légumes dans des sacs en papier. Un jour, un cretin a inventé les sacs en plastique, celui là on devrait lui donner la médaille de la connererie, Allez voir sur les sites zero déchet, je me marre quand je vois les prix de leurs articles.
... tu voulais dire.... dans des pages du journal ou, un peu avant, dans des pages des "Veillées des chaumières". Car à ces époques... les sacs en papier !! ?
On nous prend pour des enfants, on est tout à fait capable de discernement, on n'est pas encore séniles que je sache, sinon, on n'écrirait pas sur le forum.
Es-tu en manque de reconnaissance de ta valeur ?
Et je me permettrai d'ajouter, accessoirement, que "ceux qui ont inventé le sac plastique" n'étaient certainement pas des cons.
Je voudrais vous dire que je suis loin, bien loin d'être une " antiquité" qu'on se le dise et suis pas en manque de reconnaissance non plus. Pas de crise de printemps chez moi. Juste un peu stressée par la montée en puissance de ce satané virus, plutôt inquiète pour ma famille que pour moi c'est tout, mais c'est normal.
louxor71
, mais je ne crois pas que les jeunes qui ont envie de s'exprimer veulent nous apprendre à vivre. Ils imaginent beaucoup et c'est super. Leur expression dérange mais leur intention n'est pas forcément/généralement agressive
Voilà, ce sont les paroles les plus raisonnables de cette discussion.
Es-tu en manque de reconnaissance de ta valeur ?
Je prends la critique (que dis-je, le rejet) des jeunes sur ce forum de cette manière. L'inversion des roles. Des vieux dans une attitude infantile qui souffrent de leur reconnaissance, alors qu'ils devraient apporter tous leurs encouragements aux plus jeunes. Conséquences dramatiques sans doute de la société de consommation.
Voilà, ce sont les paroles les plus raisonnables de cette discussion.
Es-tu en manque de reconnaissance de ta valeur ?
Je prends la critique (que dis-je, le rejet) des jeunes sur ce forum de cette manière. L'inversion des roles. Des vieux dans une attitude infantile qui souffrent de leur reconnaissance, alors qu'ils devraient apporter tous leurs encouragements aux plus jeunes. Conséquences dramatiques sans doute de la société de consommation.
quels jeunes ? ceux que je vois autour de moi , ils bouffent au Mc do , le samedi soir ils vont en boite en voiture , les dimanches d'hiver ils vont en ski en voiture et les dimanches d'été ils vont à la plage en voiture ; et ils ont bien raison (sauf pour le mc do , je préfère une belle côte de boeuf ou un civet de lièvre )
Bonjour,
Les voyages engagés je croyais que ça se passait avec la légion étrangère!😏
Les voyages engagés je croyais que ça se passait avec la légion étrangère!😏
😉😉😉😉
On vas nous prendre pour des vieux enragés , après le confinement ils vont envisager de nous piquer ?
On vas nous prendre pour des vieux enragés , après le confinement ils vont envisager de nous piquer ?
Que se vuelva la tortilla
après le confinement ils vont envisager de nous piquer ?
C'est pas certain mais ce qui est plus probable c'est la baisse de nos pensions de retraite! Sans parler de la hausse du chômage.On reverra les gilets jaunes qui je le pense auront en grande partie échappé au virus!
C'est pas certain mais ce qui est plus probable c'est la baisse de nos pensions de retraite! Sans parler de la hausse du chômage.On reverra les gilets jaunes qui je le pense auront en grande partie échappé au virus!
😉😉😉😉
On vas nous prendre pour des vieux enragés , après le confinement ils vont envisager de nous piquer ?
Bonsoir,
Figurez vous qu'aujourd'hui, plusieurs de nos connaissances nous ont tenu le même discours. Que faut il en penser ? Bien sûr qu'on dérange, et plus qu'on ne le croit. Ben, c'est le moment ou jamais de leur montrer qu'on est plus solide qu'ils ne le pensent.
On vas nous prendre pour des vieux enragés , après le confinement ils vont envisager de nous piquer ?
Bonsoir,
Figurez vous qu'aujourd'hui, plusieurs de nos connaissances nous ont tenu le même discours. Que faut il en penser ? Bien sûr qu'on dérange, et plus qu'on ne le croit. Ben, c'est le moment ou jamais de leur montrer qu'on est plus solide qu'ils ne le pensent.
louxor71
J’en pense que c’est très discriminant cette façon de nous confiner , pour le moment pas d’obligation , mais vas savoir .
J’en pense que les vieux coûte cher en terme de santé et qu’on nous demande poliment de faire très attention à ne pas faire augmenter les dépenses .
Ça peut entraîner des réactions de rejet et une division entre les âges.
C’est très malsain .
Que se vuelva la tortilla
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Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
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Hi everyone,
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"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
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And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
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Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
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Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
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hi there
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No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
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We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
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Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
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Are over 20 years old
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Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
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Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
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Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
.
.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)