Hello everyone,

I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.

First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.

Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.

Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.

About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...

Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.

I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.

Bonjour à tous,

Notre couple envisage de voir en 2020 des animaux sauvages en toute liberté sans nuire à leur tranquillité et dans un pays qui les respecte. Nous avons pensé à trois destinations le Kenya, la Tanzanie ou la Namibie. Nous souhaitons aussi traiter directement avec une agence locale sérieuse. Nous vous remercions pour votre collaboration et aide.

Daniel

Hi everyone,

I’m planning a safari and I’m torn between Kenya and Tanzania. I’ve read quite a few articles online, and one in particular really helped me see things more clearly. I’m now leaning more toward Kenya for its authentic vibe and local culture, but I’d love to hear some opinions before making my final decision.

Have any of you hesitated between these two destinations? Even better, has anyone done a safari in both countries? What were the factors that tipped the scales for you? I’d love to hear all your experiences!

While I wait for your replies, and if it might be helpful to some, I’ll share the article I found really useful on the topic.

Thanks in advance for your tips! Fabien A.

Hi everyone,

As I mentioned a few days ago in the comments on ArXplorateur’s post (https://voyageforum.com/forum/deux-semaines-en-ouganda-en-solo-en-transports-d10553168/) —which was the first to reopen the forum’s Africa section—I wanted to share our feedback on our three weeks in Uganda. We recently traveled between late August and mid-September with the Mpolampola agency, which many of you know, run by Paul. I’m editing a one-hour film about this trip, which I’ll be uploading soon to our travel-focused YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@lolodetoul54

It’s almost finished and ready to be uploaded.

We planned an ambitious itinerary (maybe *too* ambitious?).

Here’s the breakdown of our packed schedule:

D0 Saturday 24/08: Departure from Paris to Uganda via Kigali with Rwandair D1 Sunday 25/08: Arrival in Entebbe Sunday morning. Departure for Lake Mburo National Park. Night at Rwakobo Lodge D2 Monday 26/08: Lake Mburo National Park. Walking safari and boat tour of the lake. Night at Rwakobo Lodge D3 Tuesday 27/08: Departure for Lake Bunyonyi. Night at Birdnest Overseas D4 Wednesday 28/08: Boat and walking tour of the lake, then drive to Lake Mutanda Lodge D5 Thursday 29/08: Hike to see the golden monkeys, then departure for Nkuringo Bwindi Gorilla Lodge D6 Friday 30/08: Hike to see the gorillas. Night again at Nkuringo Bwindi Gorilla Lodge D7 Saturday 31/08: Drive to Queen Elizabeth National Park. Night at Twin Lakes Safari Lodge D8 Sunday 01/09: Vehicle safari and boat tour on the Kazinga Channel. Night at Twin Lakes Safari Lodge D9 Monday 02/09: Drive to Kibale Forest and walk around Crater Lake. Night at Isunga Lodge D10 Tuesday 03/09: Chimpanzee trek in Kibale Forest and walk in Bigodi Swamp. Night at Isunga Lodge D11 Wednesday 04/09: On the road to Murchison Falls National Park. Walking tour with rhinos at Ziwa Rhino Sanctuary. Night at Murchison River Lodge D12 Thursday 05/09: Vehicle safari in Murchison Falls National Park and boat ride to the falls. Night at Murchison River Lodge D13 Friday 06/09: Drive to Chobe Lodge by the Nile D14 Saturday 07/09: Long road trip to Kidepo Valley National Park. Night at Adere Lodge D15 & D16: Safari in Kidepo Valley National Park. Nights at Adere Lodge D17 Tuesday 10/09: Very long drive to Sipi Falls (Mount Elgon). Night at Lacam Lodge D18 Wednesday 11/09: Visit to the falls, then drive to Jinja (source of the Nile). Night at Haven Lodge D19 Thursday 12/09: Drive to Kampala. Night at Latitude 0. D20 Friday 13/09: Discovering shoebills in Mabamba Swamp. Evening flight back to France via Kigali, Rwanda.

That’s the teaser done! I’ll be back with more details soon. Looking forward to sharing! Loïc

Hi there,

I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.

After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.

I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.

Thanks,

David

Bonjour à tous,

Nous devons faire une escale d'une nuit complète à l'aéroport Jomo Kenyatta, à notre retour d’Ougandan, nous ne connaissons pas du tout le Kenya, pourriez-vous m'indiquer s'il y a des hôtels corrects et tout proches de cet aéroport.

Je vous remercie pour votre aide.

Bonjour à tous,

D'ici quelques mois je compte partir voyager en Afrique de l'Est en commençant par l'Ouganda. Je pense plutôt aller me perdre sur des petites routes, dans les campagnes et les villages mais je ne sais absolument pas s'il est facile de trouver des hébergements dans ces endroits. J'hésite à embarquer une tente au cas où je ne trouve aucun endroit où dormir. Pensez-vous que ça vaut la peine ? J'aimerai beaucoup faire ce voyage en moto. Savez-vous s'il est facile d'en acheter une ? La police n'est pas trop emmerdante sur ça lorsqu'elle croise des étrangers ?

Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.

Bonjour,

Je prépare un voyage au Rwanda/Ouganda en 2021, certainement en self drive pour la partie rwandaise et avec un chauffeur pour la partie ougandaise. Je prévois de 15 à 17 nuits sur place.

J'aime les animaux bien sur mais encore plus les paysages et la vie quotidienne. Je voudrais néanmoins voir les gorilles et les lions arboricoles. Le bec en sabot et les rhinos aussi mais cela me semble compliqué.

J'ai demandé à deux agences des itinéraires, j'ai estimé via google nombre d'heures à passer sur la route.

Agence 1 : (15 nuits) - 31.5 h de route

Kigali - Forêt de Nyungwe - Lac Kivu ( trail) - Parc des Volcans- Forêt de Bwindi - Ishasha - Queen Elizabeth Nord - Hoima - Murchisson Falls - Entebbe

Agence 2 : (16 nuits) - 27 h de route

Entebbe - Forêt de Kibale - Queen Elisabeth Nord -Forêt de Bwindi - Forêt de Mgahinga - Lac Kivu (trail) - Forêt de Nyungwe - Kigali.

Le premier itinéraire me permet de voir le plus de choses mais ressemble à un marathon Le second un peu moins, mais peut être trop de forêts : redondant ?

J'ai essayé de simplifier :

Mon projet : - 21 h de route

Kigali (1 nuit) - Forêt de Nyungwe (3 nuits) - Lac Kivu (3 ou 4 nuits) (trail) - Forêt de Bwindi (3 nuits) - Ishasha ( 2 nuits) - Kigali (2 nuits)

J'ai plusieurs questions :

- Kibale et Mgahinga apportent ils un plus (surtout en terme de paysage) à Nyungwe et Bwindi ou j'ai raison de privilégier ces 2 parcs en y restant un peu plus longtemps ?

- Ishasha (2 nuits) se suffit il à lui même ou il est préférable d'aller passer aussi deux jours dans le nord du parc Queen Elizabeth me permettant en plus de faire du bateau sur le canal de Kazinga ?

- Je peux rajouter une étape le long de mon dernier itinéraire (Butare, parc des volcans, lacs jumeaux du nord du Rwanda ... ou autre) ?

- Question que j'ai déjà posé sur un autre fil, La meilleure période : Janvier ou Juillet ?

Rien n'est figé, n'hésitez pas à me proposer un meilleur itinéraire.

Grand merci d'avance à vous. Bonne journée Franck

Yiiihiiiiii😎

Hey everyone, and warm greetings to all you Southern African wanderers exploring the eastern lands of this African forum!

Four years later, I can finally create a new thread about my next trip—and not just any trip: Uganda! 🙂 A destination that’s been making me dream more and more over the past few years. Originally planned for 2019 but swapped for Tanzania, Kilimanjaro, and Zanzibar. Then pushed aside for another well-known African destination, Namibia, with 6 friends in 2021 (but ultimately done with just 2 because of Covid). 2022 was supposed to be the year of our Canada trip (initially planned for 2020 and canceled two years in a row for the same health reasons). The 2021 safari with friends finally happened in South Africa in 2023—a classic loop that didn’t require much planning and let me start dreaming about my next African destination while devouring all the Uganda travel journals, frustrated I couldn’t reply or comment. Uganda was then reconsidered for 2024 as a follow-up to a 6-week road trip in Finland and Norway, starting from Paris to save time, money, and the ecological footprint of a transatlantic round trip—but ultimately canceled due to budget constraints, the start of my freelance work (no more paid leave), the high cost of 6 weeks in Scandinavia, and no desire to cheapen our first Uganda trip.

Uganda will be the absolute priority for 2025! 😉 And I plan to use this time to prepare for the trip properly. I also hope to use this period to get back to writing our travel journals. By absolute priority, I mean minimal restrictions and compromises on budget and travel time. 🙂

So, we’re planning to spend a month in Uganda next summer (2025). The exact month will be decided in the coming weeks. Why a month? To explore a good part of the country (really want to go up to Kidepo), enjoy the stops, and avoid putting ourselves at risk on the roads. Also, several rental companies offered me 4x4 quotes with a 10% discount for 30+ days of rental...

Here’s my humble draft itinerary:

Day 1: Late arrival in Entebbe around 11 PM. Day 2: Pick up 4x4 vehicle. Night in Jinja.

Day 3: Drive and night in Sipi Falls. Day 4: Night in Sipi Falls. Day 5: Night in Moroto. Day 6: Night in Moroto. Day 7: Drive to Kidepo NP. Day 8: Safari in Kidepo NP. Day 9: Safari in Kidepo NP. Day 10: Full day drive to Murchison Falls. Day 11: Safari in Murchison Falls. Day 12: Safari in Murchison Falls. Day 13: Ziwa Rhino Sanctuary. Day 14: Lake Albert. Day 15: Full day drive to Kibale Forest. Day 16: Kibale Forest NP. Day 17: Drive to Kilembe (Rwenzori NP). Day 18: Hike in southern Rwenzori region. OR start Weismann’s Peak trek (Day 1). Day 19: Weismann’s Peak trek (Day 2). Day 20: Weismann’s Peak trek (Day 3). Day 21: Weismann’s Peak trek (Day 4). Day 22: Weismann’s Peak trek (Day 5), night in QENP. Day 23: QENP. Day 24: Visit Ishasha and drive to Lake Bunyonyi. Day 25: Drive to Ruhija. Day 26: Ruhija, Bwindi NP, gorilla tracking. Day 27: Mgahinga Gorilla NP... Day 28: Morning trek (gorillas or golden monkeys). Drive and night in Mburo NP.

Day 31: Visit Mburo NP and drive to Entebbe. Mabamba Swamp if we haven’t seen shoebills yet? Return 4x4 (30 days rental). Day 32: Departure from Entebbe (flight at 7:30 PM direct to Johannesburg with Uganda Airlines).

It’s not easy to visualize such a long itinerary. In terms of nights, it would look like this:

● Entebbe (1 night)

● Jinja (1 night)

● Sipi Falls (2 nights) ● Moroto (2 nights) ● Kidepo NP (3 nights) ● Murchison Falls (3 nights)

● Ziwa Rhino Sanctuary (1 night)

● Lake Albert (1 night) ● Kibale Forest (2 nights)

● Rwenzori NP (5 nights) ● QENP (2 nights)

● Lake Bunyonyi (1 night)

● Ruhija (2 nights)

● Mgahinga Gorilla NP (1 night?)

● Mburo NP (2 nights)

● Entebbe (1 night)

Obviously, I already have a lot of questions .

A question I really like: Where would you add extra nights? Keeping the 5 days in Rwenzori, we still have at least 2 nights to add to this itinerary.

Also, I don’t really have a clear idea about the loop’s direction. Instinctively, I thought of doing the gorillas last to end on a high note, but given the state of rental vehicles and traveler feedback, it seems we might not even make it to the end of the trip . Is there a meteorologically better direction? Given we’re likely leaving from early August to early September.

We’ve debated a lot about renting a vehicle with or without a guide, RAV4 or a proper 4x4, rooftop tent or not... In the end, after testing the guided experience in Tanzania and noting the relatively reasonable prices of hard lodgings (compared to Tanzania, Namibia, or Botswana, for example), the high cost of equipped 4x4s, and their unpredictable condition... We’re currently leaning toward a non-equipped 4x4, opting for the newest and most reliable vehicle possible to minimize breakdowns and missed stops. Any agencies/vehicles you’d recommend? Any recent feedback from the past few years?

Where’s the best place to see golden monkeys? I read that the southern part of QENP is no longer accessible. Can’t we go to Ishasha anymore? I’ve seen a lot of disappointed reviews about QENP, but it still seems like a good place to spot leopards and hyenas. If we stick with hard lodgings, which lodge is worth it in QENP, and how many nights should we plan? Are there night drives in Uganda to observe nocturnal wildlife? Initially, I thought of doing two gorilla treks—one in Bwindi (Ruhija) and another in Mgahinga Gorilla NP. But I got excited about Rwenzori (especially with the option to extend the stay a bit) and now I’m considering a trek there instead. However, the trek to Margherita Peak’s summit takes at least 7 days at 1580 $/person (plus extra rental days...), so I’m leaning toward the 5-day Weismann’s Peak trek. Has anyone done the Weissman’s Peak trek? If we skip the gorilla trek, is Mgahinga Gorilla NP still worth visiting?

Thanks in advance for all your comments, answers, feedback, favorite spots, and tips! 🙂

Looking forward to chatting with you all on this forum again! 😉

Pierre & Alison

Bonjour à tous !

Nous sommes 2 et projetons de faire une boucle cet été en self-drive entre l'Ouganda et le Rwanda sur 3 semaines. Après avoir lu pas mal de posts, j'ai établi une liste de sites susceptibles de nous intéresser.

Clarifions bien les choses, cette liste n'est pas une proposition d'itinéraire (elle serait irréalisable), mais constitue plutôt une boucle idéale que nous devons élaguer. Mon but est de bénéficier de vos expériences pour identifier les éventuels "doublons" (il n'est peut-être pas nécessaire, par exemple, de faire Akagera + Nyungwe + Murchin Falls + Kidepo) et autres sites moins conseillés (en raison de la saison, de l'état des routes...). Je précise que nous n'irons pas voir nos amis les Gorilles et que nous sommes allés en Namibie (si nous avons très envie de refaire quelques game drives, nous avons aussi très envie de faire des randos et de découvrir les paysages propres à cette région de l'Afrique).

Voici la liste (O : Ouganda, R : Rwanda) :

(O) Entebbe (O) Lac Mburo (R) Akagera (R) Kigali (R) Nyungwe (R) Kibuye (R) Gisenyi (R) Parc des volcans (O) Lac Bunyanyi (O) Bwindi (O) Ishasha (O) Kazinga (O) Fort Portal (O) Murchin Falls (O) Kidepo (O) Sipi Falls (O) Entebbe

Sur quoi devrions-nous nous concentrer ? N'hésitez pas à me signaler d'autres incontournables. Notre plan est encore très ouvert !

Dans l'attente de vos avis éclairants, Merci à tous !! 😉

Hello,

After having to cancel our trip to Uganda in December 2020, we finally decided to go in December/January. We leave on December 28th and return on January 18th, which gives us 20 days and 20 nights there 🙂

The main goal of this trip is to meet primates, big and small. We won’t skip the birds and other mammals or the local culture and people, but we want to maximize our chances of meeting our monkey friends.

It’ll be a self-drive road trip with lodge stays. The 4x4 is booked, as are the chimpanzee and gorilla permits, and most of the accommodations.

I’m reaching out because I have a big question mark about my itinerary. Here’s what was originally planned (with the parts I’m unsure about in bold):

1 night in Entebbe on arrival day 1 night at Ziwa Rhino & Wildlife Ranch (rhino trek and shoebill trek) 2 nights at Murchison Falls NP (Murchison River Lodge) 2 nights at Lake Albert (Kabwoya Wildlife Reserve) 2 nights in Kibale (for the chimpanzee habituation day) 2 nights in Queen Elizabeth NP (chimpanzee trek in Kyambura Gorge) 2 nights in Bwindi, Ruhija sector (gorilla trek) 2 nights at Lake Mutanda (gorilla trek in Mgahinga) 1 night in Kisoro (golden monkey trek in Mgahinga) 1 night at Lake Bunyonyi 2 nights in Lake Mburo NP 2 nights near Mabamba Swamps (for the shoebill and to relax before flying back)

My "issue": The lodge at Lake Albert only has availability for the first of the 2 nights. So I’m hesitating between a few options (if you have other ideas, I’m all ears!):

1- Add an extra night at MFNP and make a stop somewhere between MFNP and Kibale. But where? 2- Keep 1 night at Lake Albert and do 3 nights in Kibale (but is 3 days in Kibale too much?) 3- Do 3 nights at MFNP and 3 nights in Kibale, with a long drive between the two 4- 2 nights at Lake Albert but at another lodge not in Kabwoya Wildlife Reserve (is there enough to fill 2 days? Any lodge recommendations?)

A huge thank you for your help and advice 🙂 Have a wonderful sunny weekend, Pascale

Bonjour à tous,

Désolé si mes questions vous semblent assez basiques mais cela ne fait que peu de temps que je parcours la partie du forum relative à cette partie de l'Afrique. Je souhaitais avoir si il était possible de faire un voyage de 2 semaines dans cette région en couplant : - Une rencontre avec les gorilles (j'ai vu que c'était bien moins cher en Ouganda qu'en Rwanda) - Un safari nous permettant de voir des Lions Aboricoles (Queen Elizabeth) - Une ascension du Nyiragongo pour voir ce magnifique lac de lave. C'est cependant en RdC dans le Virunga et j'ai peur que ça soit dangereux.

Pour faire cela j'ai l'impression que le plus simple serait d'atterrir à Kigali qui semble le plus proche des lieux concernés. Si il y a un parc où on peut rencontrer des Chimpanzés dans le coin cela m'intéresserait aussi bien sûr.

Voilà je vais creuser un tel itinéraire mais si ceux qui connaissent bien la région peuvent m'aider ça me serait très utile :) Merci Pierre

Hi everyone, My wife and I are planning our trip to Uganda and would love to hear your thoughts. Entebbe to Ziwa 1 night Ziwa to Murchison National Park 3 days (Shoebill ???) Bwano Tembo 1 night Red Chilli 2 nights Budongo chimp pros residence 2 nights Bigidi SWAMP and Nyamirima Lodge 2 nights Activities with Nkuruba Community Tours Queen Elizabeth National Park 2 nights Euphorbia Lodge 1 night Engiri Game Lodge 1 night Route through Ishasha Bwindi Forest Lodge 1 night Gorillas Lake Bunyonyi Nyamunyonyi Resort 1 night Lake Mburo Hyena Hill Resort 2 nights All suggestions and critiques are welcome! Thanks

Hi there,

I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.

There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.

I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.

How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.

From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.

Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.

Bonjour amis du VF,

J'envisage un voyage en Ouganda avec ma fille (pour fêter ses 30 ans) mais la seule période possible pour nous deux actuellement serait le mois d'avril... Pensez-vous que ce soit une période envisageable pour ce genre de voyage et pour l'observation des animaux ? Merci pour vos avis éclairés. Jean Luc

Hi everyone!

We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!

We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.

I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!

First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?

If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?

Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?

I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...

Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel

Bonjour à tous,

Le projet Voyage de noces Ouganda se remet sur les rails ! Nous avons eu la chance de pouvoir nous marier en septembre (sans cluster en plus 😉 ) et nous nous projetons maintenant vers le voyage.

Etant donné le contexte, nous planifions le voyage pour juillet 2021 si possible. Après réflexion nous aimerions faire le choix d'un voyage de 2-3 semaines avec guide chauffeur (vous êtes bcp à prôner le self-drive ici mais je n'ai pas envie de me mettre ce stress là pour mon voyage de noces, étant moi-même un conducteur très occasionnel).

Arrive la question cruciale : avec qui partir ?

Certains récits font état de guides un peu folklo qui peuvent rendre le voyage très difficile, d'autres de véhicules peu fiables.. Bref, avez-vous des personnes ou des organismes à recommander pour une première prise de contact (les TO premium type Voyageurs du Monde étant d'emblée exclus pour des raisons budgétaires) ?

Un grand merci par avance

François

Hi there, I’m heading to Kenya in July 2026. I’d like to travel from Nairobi to Mombasa in 5/6 days, passing through Amboseli, Tsavo West and East, and Taita Hills. Unfortunately, I can’t find any group tours for this itinerary—only private options, which makes the prices skyrocket for camping accommodations. I’m realizing it might actually be cheaper to rent an SUV from Hertz and stay in much more luxurious lodges on my own! My partner drove for a month from Cape Town to Johannesburg, so left-hand driving doesn’t scare him, but I’ve seen a lot of warnings about chaotic traffic... Has anyone tried this? And what about safety (fake police checks, carjacking, etc.)? Alternatively, should I take the train and book directly with the lodges? But I’m worried about wasting too much time. Thanks for your help! Gaëlle

Bonjour à tous,

En ces temps de confinement, je me permet de rêver à de futurs voyages. Pensez-vous qu'il est faisable d'atterrir au Cap et de faire le circuit en transports en commun jusqu'à Nairobi en deux mois? Est-ce que cela risque d'être trop juste et de ne pas avoir le temps de profiter des paysages? Nous partirons à deux et l'idée est de faire quelques safaris, les chutes et un peu de repos.

Merci pour votre aide!

Bonjour,

Je cherche un transitaire et compagnie maritime pour envoyer par container un Land Rover de France à Mombasa au Kenya.

Je n'arrive pas à trouver sur Internet. Apparemment la CGA-CGM ne fait pas ce trajet !

Merci pour des informations

Bonjour à tous,

Avec une amie nous partons au Kenya en Septembre pendant 2 semaines. Pendant ce voyage nous voulons faire un safari (évidemment) et nous avons trouvé le Waltz Tour Safari qui nous propose un safari de 4 jours (3 nuits) pour 800€/personne (négocié) tout inclus. Ce même organisme nous demande un dépôt pour la réservation de 500€. Cela me semble beaucoup quand même ... Est ce que parmi vous, certains ont fait leur safari avec cette agence ? ou seraient capable de me dire si nous nous engageons sur une arnaque ou pas ?

Merci à tous.

Sarah

Hi there!

What a pleasure to be back on this forum—I thought it had closed down? If it has indeed reopened, that’s fantastic news! :)

My wife and I are heading to Kenya for three weeks starting August 30th, and I’d love some help fine-tuning our itinerary and answering a few questions. Here’s the rough draft I’ve put together:

08/30: Nairobi (2 nights) 09/01-09/04: Masai Mara (3 nights, then return to Nairobi) 09/05-09/07: Rift Valley/Nakuru/Hell’s Gate/etc. (2 nights, then return to Nairobi) 09/08: Nairobi > Amboseli (2 nights) 09/10: Amboseli > Tsavo East (2 nights) 09/12: Tsavo > Mombasa (1 night) 09/13: Mombasa > Kilifi (2 nights) 09/15: Kilifi > Malindi > Lamu (3 nights) 09/18: Return to Nairobi 09/19: Departure at 23:40

I’ve got a ton of questions, but I’ll try to summarize them somewhat:

Do you have any recommendations for tour operators for the safaris? Right now, I’ve planned 11 days for the "safari" portion from Masai Mara to Tsavo, with a lot of returns to Nairobi—is it possible to optimize this without booking a full tour with a single agency? Aside from the cost, I’m worried I won’t feel very free if we do a 9-day experience covering all of it, but maybe that’s the most recommended option? Do all the destinations up to Mombasa require booking a tour and hiring a guide in advance (or having your own vehicle), or are some more open to improvisation? We’d also like to meet people and not just do safaris, but our current itinerary doesn’t really allow for that—would you recommend cutting back on safaris and visiting villages between Nairobi and the coast instead? We were also considering the Taita Hills if possible—what do you think? Is Kilifi a good idea? We’ve heard it’s more authentic than Diani and we’re interested in the bioluminescent plankton, but I feel like the detour complicates the trip a bit.

You can probably tell from my questions that our biggest concern right now is booking the safaris. We can’t really afford to spend 2000 € each for 4 days, but we also won’t be taking a trip like this again anytime soon, so we want to make the most of it!

Hope my questions make sense and that you can help us out—thanks, and have a great evening!

Camille

Hi everyone planning to travel to Kenya with (or without) kids,

Just so you know:

This week, extremely violent protests, met with live ammunition repression, have resulted in many casualties and hundreds of injuries across several Kenyan cities. There’s also been widespread destruction, fires, and looting accompanying these violent scenes...

Check this out: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/conseils-par-pays-destination/kenya/

And also: https://www.corsematin.com/article/francemonde/6837346876811/violent-protests-in-kenya-16-dead-according-to-amnesty-executive-claims-to-have-foiled-a-coup

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Hi, We're considering accepting a safari quote from Grand5safari in Kenya, but they're asking for a 40% deposit, and we're hesitant because we're worried about getting scammed. Has anyone already paid a deposit to this provider and gone on a safari with them? Thanks! 🙂 Katia

Bonjour a tous J envisage de partir pour mes 50 ans en fevrier et de faire safari et plage en famille au kenya, or j ai cru comprendre que la location de voiture était compliquee. J envisage la location de airbnb et pourrais donc loger un chauffeur guide . est ce que quelqu un pourrait me renseigner ou me donner les coordonnees de personnes sur le tarif journalier d un chauffeur avec voiture merci a tous

Bonjour tout le monde,

Nous partons dans début mars à deux pour un combiné Kenya – Tanzanie. Nous arrivons à Nairobi en soirée où nous passerons la première nuit. Puis nous souhaitons passer 3 nuits dans le parc d’Amboseli avant de rejoindre la Tanzanie via le poste de frontière Namanga.

J’aimerai savoir si vous avez des suggestions pour l’hébergement ? (pas de camping) A défaut des lodges/camps que vous ne recommanderiez absolument pas (et la ou les raisons si possible), ce qui permettra déjà d’écarter ces établissements. Notre but, voir des grands groupes éléphants, et (le rêve) avec le Kilimandjaro dégagé en arrière-plan. Evidement tous les autres animaux que nous pourrions voir sont les bienvenues ^^

Merci pour vos conseils.

Hello,

We’re planning a three-week trip to Kenya in January 2020 and wanted to share our itinerary. Maybe some of you have feedback or suggestions.

Our goals: we’re not big safari fans (though we do want to do 3 days of it), and that’s not why we’re going to Kenya. We’re huge nature lovers, into sports, hiking, meeting locals, agriculture, and food. We’d also like a few days of pure relaxation on the beach before heading back to Europe.

Here’s our rough itinerary:

Nairobi – arrive in the evening, overnight stay Travel to Mt. Kenya, start trekking Mt. Kenya Mt. Kenya Mt. Kenya Transfer to Meru? How? Rent a car? Guide (for the next three days?)? Meru safari Meru safari Samburu-Buffalo safari Transfer to Nakuru Nakuru – agriculture and people, members of the international Slow Food association Nakuru, Slow Food Nakuru, Slow Food Kichama, coffee plantations Hells Gate – walking or biking safari (Nairobi) Train to Mombasa, beach time and swimming Mombasa and surrounding area Mombasa and surrounding area Mombasa and surrounding area Mombasa and surrounding area Mombasa and surrounding area Train back to Nairobi

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

Hello à tous,

on envisage d'aller au Kenya une dizaine de jours, mais on a l'habitude de tout réserver nous même... bien consciente que la conduite peut s'avérer risquée au Kenya, j'aimerais bcp choisir nos hôtels, établir moi même mon itinéraire, mais passer par un chauffeur + véhicule privé.

avez vous un contact, un organisme qui propose uniquement ce genre de services ?

merci bcp !

Bonjour , Nous sommes un couple de retraités et voyageons habituellement en autonome avec sac à dos en nous débrouillant localement avec les transports en commun , à l'occasion si nécessaire et faisable simplement en louant un véhicule , voire en trouvant un guide-opérateur local si absolument indispensable , cas des réserves par exemple dans les pays d'afrique type Tanzanie ou ...kénya semble t'il .

Nous avons donc pris 2 vols secs pour Kenya , Nairobi plus exactement , pour début Novembre avec un retour un mois plus tard , nous avons acheté le Lonely Planet ...et pour l'instant nous en sommes là . Nous sommes preneurs de toutes infos pour nous aider à organiser notre voyage et en premier lieu pour trouver une agence locale fiable pour nous organiser un ou deux safari dans une ou deux réserves animalières dont sans doute l'inévitable Masaï Mara . Ensuite nous pensons aussi aller au bord de l'océan indien et élargir notre visite à l'ensemble du pays en évitant les zônes frontalières avec l'Ethiopie qui semblent à priori dangereuses par les temps qui courent .

Nous avons gardé un excellent souvenir d'un voyage similaire que nous avons fait en Tanzanie , arrivée à Dar es Salaam, bus jusqu'à Arusha , 5 jours dans le Serenguetti et le Ngorongoro via une agence locale puis détente en bord de mer etc.... Merci d'avance pour les infos

Bien amicalement

Dominique

January 26th marks my first steps in Africa. I usually organize my trips without any assistance. But for Tanzania-Kenya, I need some advice. There will be 4 adults looking for authenticity over a month. How do we visit southern Kenya and northern Tanzania? Do we need guides? A driver-guide? What are the must-see spots? How do we get around? Rent a car? The cost of safaris seems exorbitant—is it justified? Isn’t there a way to do it with a local guide on foot? Can we improvise once we’re there? Thanks for your insights. Looking forward to reading your replies. Franz