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Hi there,

I’m thinking of heading to Siem Reap and Angkor in about two weeks. Can anyone tell me if it’s safe given the border issues? Haven’t seen anything recent in the news. Thanks!

Paul

we have flights with Swiss and Lufthansa for January; our flights are still in our booking file. But after reading that the Cambodian ambassador in Paris advised against transiting through Bangkok (which is our case), I reached out to the airlines to potentially change our ticket via Singapore. However, both companies have canceled all flights to Cambodia, regardless of the day or airport. We’ll have our contact on the ground call us on Monday to figure out what to do, especially since no insurance covers war, conflict, etc. If anyone else is in the same situation with an upcoming departure, we can exchange tips

After several discussions on VF about travel journals from the Philippines, I decided to write this curiosity: a trip report from a journey made in 1984, when traveling to the Philippines was still an adventure.

A curiosity because writing a travel journal about a trip 35 years later isn’t common, but also (mostly?) because exploring the Philippines at that time had little in common with traveling there today.

Obviously, I’ve forgotten a number of facts, most of the details, but with the help of a few notes from that time and a stack of slides (yes, there was life before digital 😊), many memories came back and added to the highlights I’d never forgotten. The scanned slides aren’t always great quality, but there are still quite a few to brighten up this chatter. Back then, we didn’t snap photos like we do now—film was too expensive—so I don’t have pictures of every place we visited... too bad, comparing some of those spots to how they look today would’ve been interesting.

Why "Adventures"? Why call it "Adventures" in the Philippines in 1984, a word so often used for a simple exotic trip? - Because the lack of information (no *Guide du Routard*, no *Lonely Planet*, no *Michelin Guide*, nothing, and obviously no internet) gave this trip what’s at the heart of adventure: the unknown. - Because the political situation made the stay sometimes dangerous. - Because transportation conditions were always epic, often perilous. - Because the question of where we’d spend the night came up almost every evening. - And for... quite a few other reasons.

That said, we weren’t exactly explorers!

Why the Philippines? First of all, why go to the Philippines in 1984—a country not exactly set up for tourism and about which we knew very little? How could we get an idea of the beauty of the Philippines and its points of interest when we had no guides or photos?

The idea came to us from Thailand a year earlier, during our first long-haul trip. After touring the north of the country, we met a Frenchman living in Phuket, where there were only a few tourists in Patong, with just a few small hotels and guesthouses. Kata and Karon had no buildings or roads, Rawai only had three palm-thatched bungalows, including ours, and the other islands were unknown to tourists. There was plenty to discover, and we wanted to return to this beautiful country... but the Frenchman made us dream about the Philippines—a country to explore, with wild landscapes.

Long evenings of discussion over multiple Sprite-Mekong cocktails (what memories of those headaches!) finally convinced us we had to go to the Philippines.

Episode 0: Before Departure The decision was made: we’d go to the Philippines in May 1984. Our friends and family were surprised when we announced we were going on vacation to the Philippines (a bit like saying today we were going paddleboarding in the Kerguelen Islands 🤪).

These days, preparing for each of our trips takes long evenings of research, planning, and noting down good addresses... etc. But for the Philippines in 1984, preparation was quick: we had very little information about the country, we were leaving almost at random, and the discovery would only be more exciting.

We still had a few bits of info gathered here and there: the rice terraces in northern Luzon, volcanoes, Negros where we were supposed to visit an acquaintance, Cebu and its marine life (we ended up going elsewhere), and absolutely avoid Mindanao, which was practically at war with the regime. That was about it, but it was already a great itinerary.

Nothing was organized in advance; we’d see day by day. We had no idea about travel times or even the existence of transportation options. The main (and sometimes only) way to connect two islands was by overloaded, rusty ferry. Only the big cities had airports.

Let’s Go: Episode 1: Paris to Manila My travel journals always start after arriving at the airport—the Europe-to-“Other Continent” trip isn’t interesting—but the flight to the Philippines was already an adventure, so I’ll make an exception.

This was the era when only a few Asian airlines were on par with Western ones: Thai, Singapore Airlines, and Philippine Airlines. They had beautiful, brand-new planes, and to attract customers (almost exclusively “businessmen”) from the usual airlines (Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways), there was opulence on board: unlimited champagne, all sorts of cocktails... Compared to today’s long-haul flights, there was still one small difference: no personal screens, just one screen at the front of the cabin with one mandatory movie. And I don’t know why, but we only got James Bond films, both ways... that must’ve been the trend at the time.

The tourism boom to Southeast Asia hadn’t started yet, and the “Asian Tigers” weren’t a thing, so there weren’t many business trips. That meant long-haul flights made stops everywhere to fill the planes. Our Philippine Airlines Boeing 747 left London, picked us up in Paris, then stopped in Frankfurt to take on a few Germans. I don’t know why we then made a stop in Dubai—a totally exotic place at the time. There was nothing to do there... things have changed a lot since. It was a small town lost in the desert. The airport was tiny, with just one or two buildings and a supermarket. During the stopover, everyone had to get off the plane and walk to the supermarket. Photo and electronic equipment were dirt cheap—I guess that was the only reason for the stop. Maybe it was their first commercial move. Emirates didn’t exist yet, as I checked online, but anyway, the idea that such a remote place could have its own airline was unthinkable.

Online, I found this photo of Dubai Airport in 1980. Anyone who’s transited through today’s massive airport with its rows of A380s will appreciate it:

Next stop: New Delhi to drop off some Europeans and pick up a few Indians, and finally, the terminus: Manila. I don’t remember how long the trip took with its five stops—an unimaginable journey today. Despite all those stops to fill the plane, there was still enough space to stretch out on the four center seats of the 747, something that never happens these days despite all the flights in every direction.

So here we are, finally at Manila Airport around midnight.

Episode 1: Manila and Baguio To start, a quick note on the political and economic situation in the Philippines in 1984, which had consequences for us as tourists, as we’d soon realize upon arrival.

After several centuries of Spanish colonization, the Philippines became American at the start of the 20th century, then independent. In 1966, Marcos took power, and little by little, his regime sank into corruption and mismanagement, becoming a dictatorship with martial law, all for the benefit of his family and friends, who enriched themselves endlessly. The peak was the assassination of opposition leader Benigno Aquino in August 1983, which triggered harshly repressed protests. So we arrived a few months later in a very poor country, with omnipresent corruption and an extremely tense political situation, as we’d soon see for ourselves. Major protests took place in the main cities during our trip—I’ll come back to that. Two years later, Marcos fled to Hawaii after being forced out of power following rigged elections. This historical context explains a lot of the situations we found ourselves in over the following weeks.

Arriving in the middle of the night isn’t very cheerful. Manila was already a huge city with many slums, where you could find a few business hotels like the Hilton or Intercontinental—way out of our budget—and plenty of run-down hotels. Luckily, two Indians we’d chatted with on the plane offered to take us to their usual hotel. They came to Manila twice a year for business. We accepted their offer, relieved not to have to look for a place to stay in the middle of the night, figuring the address must be good since they came back every time... we were wrong 🙁

We left the airport and immediately got a taste of the local vibe when we got into the taxi: the police asked for our passports. We thought: what’s more normal than police in a dictatorship?

But that wasn’t it at all. Our two Indian friends explained that the police were noting our names along with the taxi number and time. Crime in Manila was so bad that the taxi driver would be held responsible if anything happened to us... welcome to the Philippines 😎 😎

Historically, the Philippines was a very violent country, where everything was settled with guns or machetes. Previous governments had banned carrying weapons, but Marcos later allowed the free sale and carrying of guns, and disputes were settled with pistols again (or worse, as we’d discover later). Since he’d released most of the criminals from prison to form a paramilitary militia at his service (I’ll talk about our encounter with these “heroes” later), it was pretty dangerous to go into many parts of Manila, where these “tonton macoutes” ruled.

We arrived at our hotel without incident... and then things started badly. The room was infested with big cockroaches—exactly what I hate most in those kinds of countries. No way to find another hotel at that hour. After the long flight, the urge to take a shower was so strong that we squeezed into the bathroom as best we could. After that, I don’t remember—I guess we must’ve fallen asleep exhausted under the sheets in the heat... air conditioning wasn’t widespread yet.

The next day, we just wanted to leave that dump as soon as possible. So we decided to head north right away, stopping in Baguio, and we’d visit Manila a bit on the way back.

When we stepped outside, we discovered a pretty run-down neighborhood with potholed streets. But we also discovered the jeepneys. They were everywhere, flooding the streets.





They had crazy sound systems, each one blasting louder than the last. The interiors were kitschy but fun. There weren’t many private cars—almost all transportation was by jeepney, with buses reserved for intercity trips.





Before heading to the bus terminal for the north, somewhere on the outskirts of the city, we needed to exchange some money. I don’t remember how we ended up in a policeman’s jeep who offered his services: - Exchange money on the black market at a better rate than the banks. - Take us wherever we wanted, in this case, the bus terminal.

We accepted both offers (we’d still checked the official exchange rate from dollars to pesos). So we found ourselves in his jeep. After exchanging money, we left in his vehicle and stopped for gas. Without turning off the engine, he calmly smoked a cigarette while filling up. Since we were in a jeep with no doors or roof, we were ready to jump out if things went south, our travel bag in hand.

But we weren’t done with surprises yet. Once we left the small streets, we ended up in a neighborhood with wide avenues and not much traffic, which didn’t justify his incredible behavior. At every intersection, he made the sign of the cross, closed his eyes, and crossed without looking. I was more stunned than terrified! It wasn’t until we got out of the car later that I told Anne-Marie what had happened. I’d seen everything because the cop had put me in the front seat. Luckily, A-Marie hadn’t noticed anything from the back. Crossing Manila by trusting God rather than the rules of the road was ultimately effective. We were lucky—the trip was off to a good start. 🙂 🙂

We then passed through a neighborhood where slums stretched on for a while, and we left our policeman—friendly but a bit crazy—with relief.

A few hours by bus later, here we are in Baguio, cool in the mountains. My memories of Baguio are pretty fuzzy. I remember a small town. After some research while writing this journal, I found that the population was 120,000 in 1980. Given the population density in each home, that confirms my memory of a smallish town. Outside the “official” district with the president’s summer residence and government buildings, there were two or three paved streets with nice houses. The rest was very dirty and very poor, with lots of slums and dirt roads.







People we met on the street invited us to stay with them. These days, we wouldn’t just show up at strangers’ houses, which we should’ve done in Baguio—it would’ve saved us from an unimaginable and dangerous situation... which I won’t say anything about... !😊

The simple wooden house was on stilts at the edge of a hill with a view of the mountains. Since it was the start of the rainy season in a city that gets a lot of rain, we saw a lot of water. Our outings in town happened between downpours.

View from our lodging:

Episode 2: Baguio to Bontoc Aside from the situation briefly mentioned above, it was on the next leg to Bontoc that the adventure really began: an endless and dangerous road, a bus from another era, breathtaking landscapes, and surprising people.

We didn’t know the distance or how long it would take to get to Bontoc. When we arrived after about ten hours, we learned that Baguio to Bontoc was 140 km.

We got on a bus with wooden seats and settled in, two to a seat meant for two. As the bus filled up, passengers squeezed in three or four per seat, with chickens and baskets full of all sorts of things in the aisle. A little embarrassed, we didn’t know if we should squeeze in three on our seat. The seats were super tight (luckily, Filipinos are small), and I didn’t know where to put my legs given my height. I don’t remember if we stayed alone on our bench or if we ended up sharing with others.



The “road” was a dirt track (or rather, a mud track) with endless turns. We held on as best we could to our slippery wooden seats—it was shaking in every direction. The woman behind us was carsick and throwing up... gross... but what were we doing there? Then we plunged into the Sierra Madre... just the name is dreamy!

Rice terraces started to appear:



they took up more and more space along cliffs where we weren’t always reassured,



with lots of waterfalls (all that water had to go somewhere).

A few miserable villages stretched along the track, most often just a few houses balancing between the road and the drop. The bus stopped in every village—people got on or off and settled inside or on the roof. Street vendors offered their products to the bus passengers—a common sight in Asia, even today.



We were in another world—villagers were in loincloths, others had spears. The atmosphere was strange... but all good, we wanted exoticism, and we got it:

This so-called traditional outfit was everyday wear—it wasn’t for tourists since there weren’t any.

Bonjour,

J'ai un prêt immobilier en cours en France. Je m'installe au Québec. Mon salaire ici, je paierai des taxes bien sûre. Avec le net, je souhaiterai payer mon crédit français. Est ce possible ? Je vais payer des impôts en France dessus ? Être taxé ici en plus ? En France en plus ? Si quelqu'un a cette expérience je suis preneur. Merci,

Paul

2 mois que nous sommes rentrés....... des images plein la tête. Notre itinéraire Iles, de Mindoro, Pandan, busuanga, flowers island, el nido. Je conseille absolument cet itinéraire sauvage, dépaysant, magnifique, et très peu à pas du tout touristique en novembre. Pour nos hôtels et transferts nous sommes passés parune agence très fiable spécialisée Asie . Sur place nous avons organisé nos island hopping en privé 10 au total, et je le conseille à tous , des endroits si sublimes que l'on croit rêver, et ce sentiment d' être seul au monde au 'paradis" Les excursions sur terre nous les avons organisés avec le personnel des bancas qui nous ont beaucoup offert , en nous faisant découvrir leur pays par la mer , sur terre et en nous présentant leur famille. Les photos que vous trouverez ici et là ne sont qu'une petite partie et ne traduisent pas ou peu l'immensité qui nous a entourés durant ces 21 jours ainsi que la musique, la gentillesse, la multitude de couleurs changeantes en fonction de la météo. Un grand et magnifique voyage je le conseille aux amoureux de la nature et des "hommes". "Nous sommes pauvres mais si heureux" me disait une adolescente et c'est ce que j'ai souvent ressenti durant ces 21 jours.

Bonjour,

Je lance une discussion à contre courant... Ceux qui n aiment pas Montréal, quels sont vos arguments, votre feeling, votre point de vue ?

Merci de vos écrits.

Paul

Bonjour,

Est-ce que quelqu'un peut me dire s'il y a des bateaux (Ferry) qui vont de Mindoro à Coron en mars ?

Merci

Bonsoir à tous

J’ai besoin de vos conseils, ceux de ce forum qui connaissent bien les Philippines

Nous serons 8 jours sur place

Le premier jour arrivée à Manille Dodo à Manille Le deuxième jour nous souhaitons partir sur les îles.

Ensuite Deux options s’offrent à nous : Soit nous partons à Bohol pour 3 nuits Ensuite ferry Bohol Cebu De Cebu vol pour Boracay (tout cela dans la même journée) Puis 3 nuits à Boracay

Sinon Nous partons pour 3 nuits pour El Nido Ensuite vol AirSwift el Nido Cebu / ferry Cebu Bohol dans la meme journée 3 nuits à Bohol

Est ce réalisable ? Que me conseillez vous ? Je tiens à préciser que nous n’aimons pas faire uniquement de la plage toute la journée, on a l’habitude de faire des visites

Merci beaucoup pour vos conseils

Cécilia

Bonjour à tous,

On prévoit de partir au Québec en hiver 2020-2021. Je sais c'est dans longtemps... On sera sur place pour Noël et le Nouvel An. Les enfants auront 11 et 14 ans. On va passer du temps surtout dans les parcs (raquette, ski de fond, patinage, ...). On a déjà fait deux fois des vacances de ce type en hiver au Québec mais c'était avant d'avoir des enfants, il y a longtemps.

Mon interrogation principal est où passer Noël et le Nouvel An? Je pensais être en ville pour ces deux événements ou en tout cas pour le Nouvel An. Mais plutôt Québec ou Montréal? Sachant qu'on aime pas forcément les grosses foules... Il me semble que Québec est plus adapté, non?

Si vous avez des expériences de ces deux villes le temps des Fêtes plus récente que les miennes, je suis preneuse...

Merci 😉

Avis aux intéressé(e)s, L'exposition immersive Van Gogh ''débarque'' à Montréal à compter du 3 Décembre après avoir passé plusieurs mois à Paris. J'ai eu la chance de la voir à Paris et j'ai bien l'intention d'y retourner à Montréal. Une expo à ne pas manquer, pour qui s'intéresse un peu à la peinture 😛 Tous les détails ici : www.imagine-vangogh.ca/index.html

Bonjour,

Nous serons pour la 3èmefois aux Philippines en janvier prochain, pour 3 semaines. Nous arriverons à Manille et repartirons à Bangkok depuis Cebu. Nous souhaiterions retourner à Negros (Dumaguete, Dauin, Apo), Siquijor, puis Bantayan et enfin découvrir les îles Camotes.

Est-il possible d’envisager en une seule journée la route Dumaguete -Cadiz où nous prendrions le ferry pour Bantayan. Sinon, y a-t-il une halte sympathique sur le chemin ?

Nous imaginions le périple dans cet ordre : Manille-Dumaguete, Apo/ Dumaguete-Siquijor/ Dumaguete-Cadiz-Bantayan/ Iles Camotes

Après Bantayan, quel est le moyen le plus évident pour rejoindre les îles Camotes ?

Merci d’avance pour vos réponses et suggestions.

Salut à tous,

Étant installés depuis quelques mois à Montréal, je prépare un trip avec des amis sur une semaine mi avril. J'aurai déjà fait un grand tour dans le saguenay et le charlevoix, déjà visité Québec et Ottawa. Quelle région vous semble pertinente en tenant compte du climat ? Je pensais le bas Saint Laurent, ou la gaspesie mais j ai peut de manquer de temps et que la période ne soit pas propice... Certains Caribous m'ont orientés vers Toronto, Niagara falls... 😉 Merci de vos avis.

Paul

Partant une 4 ème fois aux Philippines, j 'ai besoin de vous. Pour 3 semaines, j' hésite entre SAMAR LEYTE SIARGAO SURIGAO ou MINDORO CORON Ou MINDANAO

Merci de me dire vos avis sachant que j'aime la nature, peu de monde, des endroits avec de la vie locale, nocturne notamment même si loin des sterotypes de boracay ou El nido.

Que faire sur ces spots où peu de renseignements sont disponibles. Hormis mindoro coron. Quels sont les jolis endoits à voir ? Merci

Paul

Bonjour, Nous sommes un couple de retraités qui allons partir aux Philippines du 16 décembre au 5 février. Nous finirons notre voyage par le nord de Luzon pour y voir les rizières et y séjourner durant 7j. Plusieurs questions : 1°) Nous devrions choisir la compagnie de bus Coda Lines (il semblerait qu'il existe des bus dits de luxe) de Manille à Sagada ou Banaue. Nous aurions préféré des bus de jour...

2°)La période choisie ne semble pas correspondre à la période des rizières vertes! alors aller à Banaue ou Sagada (dans cette dernière région il y aurait plus de choses à voir aux alentours)?

3°)Nous sommes habitués à voyager seuls depuis plus de 30 ans surtout en Asie du Sud Est. Mais l'âge est là et nous aimerions choisir les rizières qui seraient les plus accessibles pour nous (éviter les longs trecks!) Merci de votre aide Tialou et Magguy

Bonjour à tous, voilà nous partons aux Philippines mercredi avec ma copine pour un mois et je voulais savoir si les transferts en bateau entre Mindoro Coron et Palawan dans le sens nord-sud étaient assez agités à cette période ?

Ma copine est assez malade en bateau et 5/6h de bateau même sur gros ferry ne l'enchante guère alors si ya des creux...

Du coup on irait direct sur Palawan en avion depuis Manille le jour même de notre arrivée et d'ailleurs, en arrivant a 5h05 à Manille au terminal 1 est-on large pour reprendre un vol avec air Asia au terminal 4 à 9h50 ??

Merci d'avance pour vos réponses 😉

Bonjour à tous,

Nous serons dans les Visayas du 19 octobre au 9 novembre. Nous arriverons à l'aéroport international de Cebu. Nous pensions à un itinéraire qui comprendrait : Bohol, Balicasag, Siquijor, Apo Island et Moalboal. Nos intérêts principaux pour ce voyage sont la plongée, le snorkelling, quelques journées de paresse sur la plage et les balades à scooter.

Voici mes questions :

1- Est-ce possible de louer un scooter à Cebu à notre arrivée pour la durée totale du voyage, et le transférer d'une île à l'autre par bateau? Si oui, est-ce possible avec tous les types de bateaux (selon ce que j'ai vu, les deux types de bateaux qui reviennent sont les "fastcraft" et les "RORO")? ...Et, oui, nous sommes habitués à la conduite en Asie du Sud-Est 😉

2- En trois semaines, croyez-vous qu'il soit possible d'ajouter Malapascua à notre itinéraire, considérant que vous désirons ne pas être trop à la course et ne pas ''perdre" trop de jours en transport? Semblerait-il que la plongée y est magnifique, mais je me demande si le temps transport pour s'y rendre en vaut la chandelle...

3- Concernant Balicasag et Apo Island, que nous visiterons principalement pour la plongée, considérez-vous qu'il y aie une "plus value" à dormir sur place? Nous hésitons entre cette option ou simplement y aller en "Day trip" à partir de Bohol et Siquijor.

Merci d'avance pour votre aide!

Bonjour à tous,

J'aimerais demander ma copine en mariage au philippine au mois de février j'ai bien quelques idées (luciole a bohol où coucher de soleil chocolate hill) mais n'arrive pas a me décider je serai vraiment reconnaissant de votre aide sur quelques lieux magique en sachant que je passerai part banaue, el nido, Cebu, bohol, siquijor, moalbol ou autre si bonne idée

En vous remerciant d'avance

Cordialement

nous sommes deux jeunes seniors, à la retraite depuis peu, après plusieurs grands voyages, nous aimerions partir une dernière fois loin et longtemps pour éviter d'accumuler les longs vols et les décalages horaires, et voir encore quelques merveilles(nos préférences : nature, grands paysages, lagons) notre projet sur deux mois longtemps réfléchi et maintes fois modifié, est le suivant, avec un départ début mai Vietnam Hanoi, 5 jours, visite de la ville, de la baie d'Halong, de Ninh Binh Singapour 3 jours Bali, 11 jours : Ubud, Munduk, Amed, Sidemen, Sanur Nouvelle-Calédonie : Ile des pins 4 jours, Nouméa 4 jours (moitié du voyage, lessive, pause) Rarotonga: 5 jours à Muri et excursion sur un jour à Aitutaki Polynésie française : 12 jours, Raiatea et Huahine (c'est notre second séjour, nous avons vu Moorea, Borabora, Rangiroa, Tikehau) San Francisco : 2 jours retour fin juin

qu'en pensez-vous : destinations à ajouter ou supprimer sans changer complètement le canevas de base ? durée des séjours à chaque destination ? optimisation ? suggestion ?

merci de vos avis éclairés

PS nous avons déjà visité USA, Chili, île de Pâques, bolivie, argentine, vénézuéla, brésil, laos, cambodge, australie, nouvelle-zélande, namibie, botswana, afrique du sud, tanzanie

Bonjour a tous,

Ce continent est une première car nous sommes des adeptes de l'Asie ! ...pour y avoir vécu (le travail) Mais mon mari m'a dit: il faut que nous allions voir nos cousins canadiens, alors.... J'ai lu pas mal de récits et bien sûr, tout est tentant ! Au secours! Pas eu de temps pour nous préparer donc pas encore pris nos billets mais nous souhaitons partir entre le 27 et 30 septembre selon les billets pour un retour autour du 16 octobre. Nous souhaitons profiter de ces belles couleurs automnales

Notre idée de parcours serait en gros:

Montréal 2 jours, ça va ?? ou au retour La Tuque (hydravion) lac ST Jean (Val Jabert Roberval Alma) Chicoutimi Ste Rose Tadoussac Petites bergeronnes (baleines et autres) Les Escoumins (la traversière) Trois pistols Rimouski Ste Anne des Monts Percé Matapédia Causapscal (là j'ai lu un retour par Edmundston dans un récit mais cette ville est toujours au Canada?? et quelle route ? ) Retour sur Québec par Rivière du loup Lévis Les sept chutes Québec Ste Anne de Beaupré Ile d'Orléans Je pense que nous pouvons nous poser à Québec 2 ou 3 jours (1pour la ville et 2 et 3 pour aller aux sept chutes par exemple mais je ne sais pas les distances...? ) J'ai lu plusieurs choses sur ces environs et c'est un peu confus Puis retour Montréal 1ère question: est-ce réalisable entre le 28 sept et 16 oct disons? 2ème question: nous voulons faire en voiture, où louer depuis la France (bon plan ? ) 3ème question: Faut-il un visa? je n'ai pas compris ce qu'était le AVE ??? 4ème question: Pouvez vous nous aider à programmer notre circuit: où s'arrêter, où dormir par rapport aux distances et à ce que nous voulons voir???? bien sûr que en dehors des choses bien précises notées précemment, nous aimons nous arrêter pour apprécier les paysages et ...faire des photos (j'adore !!!) Nous ne voulons pas faire un marathon !!! Et si vous avez quelques bonnes adresses pour dormir pas trop cher mais nous ne sommes pas jeunes donc évitons les auberges de jeunesses, nous aimons bien notre salle d'eau, hihi!!! J'abuuuuse: un bon restaurant pour cloturer notre voyage à Montréal (mon mari est un chef de cuisine !!!) Un grand merci d'avance