Comment réagir face à mon amie qui a le choc du retour?
by Tictic83
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bonjour, voila mon amie est parti passer 3 semaine en indonesie pour des vacances mais le retour en france ce passe vraiment mal. .elle a vecu des choses extraordinaire la bas, vu des choses merveilleuse, fais la connaissance d indonesiens et pour elle le retour a la realité lui es devenu impossible. tout lui semble sans interet , elle n 'as envie de rien, les gens la soule que ce soit dans leurs facon d etre ou de se comporter, elle a le mal du pays, elle ne se sent plus chez elle elle n 'as qu une envie c'est de retourné la bas y vivre quelque mois ou peut etre une année. je n 'es pas vecu ce qu elle a vecu mais je me retrouve face a une personne qui pense que je ne la comprend pas. comment dois je reagir, que dois je faire face a son mal etre? merci pour vos reponse
Hello tictic,
Je pense que c'est un peu la "depression" du au retour, le cote "c'est mieux ailleurs", "c'est trop pourri la France", "je veux partir vivre la-bas", etc.... sont des symptomes, je pense, assez typique d'une personne qui vient de "decouvrir un autre monde" (ou le monde tout court d'ailleurs).
Reste a voir si elle reste dans son "reve" ou si elle se reveille et reprend conscience. Parce que bon, ca va 2 minutes, les gens tout candides qui pensent trouver le paradis sur Terre...mais y retourner annee apres annee les fera dechanter (une galere est si vite arrivee, meme en Indonesie, meme a Bali)...
Bref, je te conseille d'attendre et de lui faire comprendre qu'il serait mieux pour elle qu'elle revienne sur terre. Y passer des vacances, jouer au touriste, ce n'est pas la meme chose qu'y vivre. 😉
Bon courage.
Je pense que c'est un peu la "depression" du au retour, le cote "c'est mieux ailleurs", "c'est trop pourri la France", "je veux partir vivre la-bas", etc.... sont des symptomes, je pense, assez typique d'une personne qui vient de "decouvrir un autre monde" (ou le monde tout court d'ailleurs).
Reste a voir si elle reste dans son "reve" ou si elle se reveille et reprend conscience. Parce que bon, ca va 2 minutes, les gens tout candides qui pensent trouver le paradis sur Terre...mais y retourner annee apres annee les fera dechanter (une galere est si vite arrivee, meme en Indonesie, meme a Bali)...
Bref, je te conseille d'attendre et de lui faire comprendre qu'il serait mieux pour elle qu'elle revienne sur terre. Y passer des vacances, jouer au touriste, ce n'est pas la meme chose qu'y vivre. 😉
Bon courage.
+1 😉
En même temps, elle peut aussi pousser l'expérience plus loin et y passer plusieurs mois, justement pour voir si, oui ou non, c'est réellement un pays qui lui convient...
Et il se peut AUSSI que ce pays lui convienne finalement beaucoup plus que la France ; il y a des gens qui, comme ça, ont des "révélations" et ne sont pas déçus pour autant en retournant dans le pays dont ils rêvent. Ça arrive, la France n'est pas non plus le pays idéal (loin de là...).
Je pense qu'il ne faut pas non plus aller contre ses envies...
Plutôt que d'essayer de lui "ramener les pieds sur terre" et aller éventuellement au clash, peut-être est-ce aussi une bonne idée de lui suggérer d'y retourner plus longtemps pour mieux se rendre compte...
En même temps, depuis combien de temps est-elle revenue ? Si c'est depuis 3 jours, c'est assez normal. Ça vaut effectivement le coup d'attendre encore une bonne semaine. Si ça fait déjà plusieurs semaines, c'est qu'il s'est vraiment passé quelque chose entre elle et ce pays.
J'avoue que tous les ans, quand je reviens du Japon, je mets de très longs jours à déprimer un peu et trouver que la France est vraiment un pays pénible... Et j'avoue que partir un jour au Japon pour de bon fait partie de mes plans... Un jour...
Et il se peut AUSSI que ce pays lui convienne finalement beaucoup plus que la France ; il y a des gens qui, comme ça, ont des "révélations" et ne sont pas déçus pour autant en retournant dans le pays dont ils rêvent. Ça arrive, la France n'est pas non plus le pays idéal (loin de là...).
Je pense qu'il ne faut pas non plus aller contre ses envies...
Plutôt que d'essayer de lui "ramener les pieds sur terre" et aller éventuellement au clash, peut-être est-ce aussi une bonne idée de lui suggérer d'y retourner plus longtemps pour mieux se rendre compte...
En même temps, depuis combien de temps est-elle revenue ? Si c'est depuis 3 jours, c'est assez normal. Ça vaut effectivement le coup d'attendre encore une bonne semaine. Si ça fait déjà plusieurs semaines, c'est qu'il s'est vraiment passé quelque chose entre elle et ce pays.
J'avoue que tous les ans, quand je reviens du Japon, je mets de très longs jours à déprimer un peu et trouver que la France est vraiment un pays pénible... Et j'avoue que partir un jour au Japon pour de bon fait partie de mes plans... Un jour...
elle est revenu samedi en effet c'est tres récent. je ne vais pas contre ces idées j 'essaie de lui montrer que je suis la surtout et qu elle ne me rejete pas de sa vie car c'est l impression qu 'elle me donne . tres peut de nouvelles d elle . elle ne fais que correspondre avec les personne locale qu 'elle a connu la bas . Je sais tres bien que si sont idée est de repartir la bas , je ne pourrais rien n 'y faire .
Bonjour,
Cela lui passera et, si ça ne lui passe pas et qu'elle va au bout de ses rêves (je parle de rêves, de ceux qui conditionnent une vie, et non d'envies) alors, elle s'expatriera. Mais bon, c'est tout frais. Laisse lui le temps de revenir à sa réalité.
Contrairement à ce qu'il a été dit, le paradis sur terre existe mais il est propre à chacun. Tout dépend de la façon dont nous gérons notre vie et des concessions que nous sommes prêts à faire.
A+
Es un hombre que se va, la lagrima se queda.
Laisse-la atterrir ... le choc du retour, c'est normal, quelque soit l'âge ... attends un peu, elle parlera d'elle-même de son séjour, quand elle sera prête ... sois patient et laisse faire, et courage car vous n'êtes plus actuellement sur la même longueur d'ondes ...
Ann
bonjour
si ta copine aime lire voila je lui conseille ce livre je n'en suis qu'a la moitié, il ne parle pas de voyage mais de spiritualité , il résume tous les gens qui vivent des moments de bonheur intense de par la méditation ou autre ; ceux qui ont vécu en Asie éloigné du monde et qui reviennent un jour à leur vie d'avant et bien ils sont tous confronté à ce qu'elle peut ressentir maintenant
le titre est sympa
" Apres l'extase la lessive " de jack kornfield
bonne lecture 🙂
voila mon amie est parti passer 3 semaine en indonesie pour des vacances mais le retour en france ce passe vraiment mal.
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
3 semaines paradisiaques cela me parait un peu court pour faire un choix de vie.....y aurait y pas une histoire de coeur la dessous ??????.....😉
voila mon amie est parti passer 3 semaine en indonesie pour des vacances mais le retour en france ce passe vraiment mal.
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
+1
Les vacances sans-soucis, sans responsabilites, c'est autre chose qu'une reelle expatriation (avec toute la paperasse et les rapports a l'administration qui vont avec).
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
+1
Les vacances sans-soucis, sans responsabilites, c'est autre chose qu'une reelle expatriation (avec toute la paperasse et les rapports a l'administration qui vont avec).
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
Tout à fait. J'ai travaillé en Indonésie et je rentrais chez moi le soir, aussi fatigué qu'en France et le côté paradisiaque vite oublié, ...
Tout à fait. J'ai travaillé en Indonésie et je rentrais chez moi le soir, aussi fatigué qu'en France et le côté paradisiaque vite oublié, ...
pourquoi es tu allé en indonesie? cou de coeur pour le pays?
Non, je n'y avais jamais mis les pieds. Le groupe Accor cherchait un contrôleur de gestion en 1998 et deux mois plus tard, j'étais à Lombok pour deux ans. Avant ça, je travaillais au Costa Rica et après l'Indonésie, je suis parti en Martinique (après un petit passage au Québec).
Non, je n'y avais jamais mis les pieds. Le groupe Accor cherchait un contrôleur de gestion en 1998 et deux mois plus tard, j'étais à Lombok pour deux ans. Avant ça, je travaillais au Costa Rica et après l'Indonésie, je suis parti en Martinique (après un petit passage au Québec).
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Bonjour,
voila mon amie est parti passer 3 semaine en indonesie pour des vacances mais le retour en france ce passe vraiment mal.
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
+ 1 ! 😉
voila mon amie est parti passer 3 semaine en indonesie pour des vacances mais le retour en france ce passe vraiment mal.
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
+ 1 ! 😉
Chat-lut,
Perso, je conseillerais de "soigner le mal par le mal" (ou un substitut) ...
Trouvez lui des DVD de voyages , en commençant par des régions proches de celle qui a causé "le choc", puis éloignez-vous en !
Le monde est vaste, magnifique, il y a plein de choses à voir partout et une vie entière n'y suffirait pas ...
🙂
Perso, je conseillerais de "soigner le mal par le mal" (ou un substitut) ...
Trouvez lui des DVD de voyages , en commençant par des régions proches de celle qui a causé "le choc", puis éloignez-vous en !
Le monde est vaste, magnifique, il y a plein de choses à voir partout et une vie entière n'y suffirait pas ...
🙂
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l homme qui veut s’instruire doit lire d’abord, et puis voyager pour rectifier ce qu’il a appri.
Seulement voilà, le "problème" est toujours là : ce ne fût qu'une vision de vacancier, donc de grand privilèges : pas de boulot, pas de contrainte, pas de problèmes de sous, des gens avenants envers l'occidental, un chouette climat, de belles couleurs, une vision superficielle et donc idéalisée de la société locale : ils sont tous heureux là-bas, ils n'ont pas de problème, il n'y a pas de violence (l'Indo est terriblement violente !), etc., etc.
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
Entièrement d'accord avec cette vision du "problème".. Les chances qu'une française puisse s'adapter à la vie Indonésienne ( excepté Bali peut-être et encore... ) sont plutôt minces.. ( Il y a tjs des exceptions j'en conviens). pour y passer des vacances un "séjour visite-aventure" ce qui revient au même et, en deça de 3 mois surtout, le pays , les gens, le paysage le climat..tout paraît idyllique mais pour y vivre ( vie professionnelle mais aussi sentimentale!) et surtout y gagner sa vie si on n'est pas rentier c'est une autre affaire! A mon avis ( ce n'est que le miens) il serait plus facile à un occidental de se faire une place au Japon ( par exemple bien que c'est loin d'être évident) qu'en Indonésie... Il semblerait aussi d'après ce que raconte son amie qu'elle ait vécu une aventure sentimentale qui pourrait ( je ne voudrais pas être trop pessimiste)mais c'est bien souvent le cas , prendre un aspect moins exaltant après s'être confrontée à la réalité quotidienne!
L'expatriation, vivre ça au quotidien et dans la durée, s'avère généralement très vite totalement différent et beaucoup moins idéal, "paradisiaque", "exotique", etc.
Entièrement d'accord avec cette vision du "problème".. Les chances qu'une française puisse s'adapter à la vie Indonésienne ( excepté Bali peut-être et encore... ) sont plutôt minces.. ( Il y a tjs des exceptions j'en conviens). pour y passer des vacances un "séjour visite-aventure" ce qui revient au même et, en deça de 3 mois surtout, le pays , les gens, le paysage le climat..tout paraît idyllique mais pour y vivre ( vie professionnelle mais aussi sentimentale!) et surtout y gagner sa vie si on n'est pas rentier c'est une autre affaire! A mon avis ( ce n'est que le miens) il serait plus facile à un occidental de se faire une place au Japon ( par exemple bien que c'est loin d'être évident) qu'en Indonésie... Il semblerait aussi d'après ce que raconte son amie qu'elle ait vécu une aventure sentimentale qui pourrait ( je ne voudrais pas être trop pessimiste)mais c'est bien souvent le cas , prendre un aspect moins exaltant après s'être confrontée à la réalité quotidienne!
Oui mais j'ai aussi rencontré des gens qui sont partis sur un coup de tête dans un pays sur lequel ils avaient flashé... et ça a marché. Notamment des gens qui sont partis en Chine et qui, une fois sur place, ont compris que ce n'était plus les vacances tout en s'y adaptant parfaitement. Aucun d'eux ne regrette leur choix et ne souhaite revenir en France, alors que la Chine n'est pas forcément le plus facile des pays...
alors que la Chine n'est pas forcément le plus facile des pays...
Pas le plus facile certes , mais certainement plus facile que l'Indonésie surtout pour y travailler ou faire des affaires. Et même pour y vivre le poids des traditions , de la religion , coutumes etc..sera plus facile à supporter qu'en Indonésie
Pas le plus facile certes , mais certainement plus facile que l'Indonésie surtout pour y travailler ou faire des affaires. Et même pour y vivre le poids des traditions , de la religion , coutumes etc..sera plus facile à supporter qu'en Indonésie
Peut-être... Mais ce que je voulais dire, c'est qu'on peut vraiment avoir une révélation pour un pays (quel qu'il soit), y partir et ne jamais revenir, même si ce n'est plus pour les vacances. Ça ne concerne probablement (sûrement même...) qu'une minorité des personnes, mais ça existe quand même.
qu'une minorité des personnes, mais ça existe quand même.
Dans tous les domaines il y a des exceptions, je souhaite m'adresser au plus grand nombre pas uniquement aux cas particuliers! Dans le domaine de l'aventure, par exemple je me considère moi même comme une exception et je n'engagerais personne (ou presque )à s'aventurer seul dans les contrées perdues du nord Laos pour aller à la rencontre des Akkas ou dans la forêt Camerounaise chez les Pygmées sous prétexte qu'il y a eu des ethnologues qui s'y sont rendus avant moi et en sont revenus!ni qu'il était possible d'y vivre très bien plusieurs années...
Dans tous les domaines il y a des exceptions, je souhaite m'adresser au plus grand nombre pas uniquement aux cas particuliers! Dans le domaine de l'aventure, par exemple je me considère moi même comme une exception et je n'engagerais personne (ou presque )à s'aventurer seul dans les contrées perdues du nord Laos pour aller à la rencontre des Akkas ou dans la forêt Camerounaise chez les Pygmées sous prétexte qu'il y a eu des ethnologues qui s'y sont rendus avant moi et en sont revenus!ni qu'il était possible d'y vivre très bien plusieurs années...
En même temps, à 26 ans, on peut aussi tenter l'expérience... et si ça ne marche pas, on en revient...
Mais je suis d'accord pour dire qu'un seul séjour, c'est un peu court pour considérer que sa vie est là-bas (surtout si l'on n'a pas encore trop voyagé dans sa vie)... Il faut au moins y retourner une fois, et sur un assez long séjour.
Mais je suis d'accord pour dire qu'un seul séjour, c'est un peu court pour considérer que sa vie est là-bas (surtout si l'on n'a pas encore trop voyagé dans sa vie)... Il faut au moins y retourner une fois, et sur un assez long séjour.
Lorsque l'on quitte son pays dans un but touristique pour partir en Asie ou en Afrique, dans un pays pauvre, chargé de traditions, surtout si c'est la première fois, le choc culturel est grand et suivant les circonstances le résultat peut être très heureux ( c'est le cas ici) mais aussi "cauchemardesque" il suffit de lire certains commentaires de jeune personnes qui sont parties en Inde par exemple et qui en sont revenues au bout de ...2 jours! avec une affreuse expérience...
Oui... enfin l'Inde c'est assez différent de Bali niveau choc...
pour ma part, à mon retour de Finlande (4 mois) et de Norvège (6 mois), je dois dire que j'ai aussi mis un sacré bout de temps à "reconnecter" avec la France.
Plus rien ne me semblait pareil, et je m'étais complètement adaptée au mode de vie scandinave et à la tranquillité qui règne dans ces pays, ce scandinavian way of life, bref c'était deux superbes expériences !! sans parler des escapades les weekends à Bergen, Alesund, Stavanger, le Preikestolen, etc, les paysages, etc...
aujourd'hui je suis complètement anéantie et sous le choc de ce qui s'est passé à Oslo et j'attends encore des nouvelles de gens qui vivent là bas, Norvégiens ou expatriés...énorme pensée à tous les Norvégiens et tous les habitants d'Oslo...; je n'aurais jamais cru qu'une pareille tragédie puisse se dérouler là bas, ces pays sont réputés pour être si sûrs et si tranquilles, ce que j'avais pu voir lors de mes séjours là bas...
En Norvège, il n'y a pas de mauvais temps, il n'y a que des mauvais vêtements. Proverbe norvégien.
Ces deux pays sont toujours aussi sûrs... ce n'est pas parce qu'un déséquilibré a fait un carnage que cela devient une "tendance" ou un risque latent.
Ces deux pays sont toujours aussi sûrs... ce n'est pas parce qu'un déséquilibré a fait un carnage que cela devient une "tendance" ou un risque latent.
oui oui je comprends bien mais j'aurais jamais cru que ce genre d'évènements puisse se produire là bas ça ne m'empêchera pas d'y retourner, pas de souci de ce côté là !!
oui oui je comprends bien mais j'aurais jamais cru que ce genre d'évènements puisse se produire là bas ça ne m'empêchera pas d'y retourner, pas de souci de ce côté là !!
En Norvège, il n'y a pas de mauvais temps, il n'y a que des mauvais vêtements. Proverbe norvégien.
Ces deux pays sont toujours aussi sûrs... ce n'est pas parce qu'un déséquilibré a fait un carnage que cela devient une "tendance" ou un risque latent.
Surtout si on est blond aux yeux bleus ya pas de soucis!
Surtout si on est blond aux yeux bleus ya pas de soucis!
Ces deux pays sont toujours aussi sûrs... ce n'est pas parce qu'un déséquilibré a fait un carnage que cela devient une "tendance" ou un risque latent. 
Surtout si on est blond aux yeux bleus ya pas de soucis!
Là les victimes, c'était justement les blonds aux yeux bleus ...😕
Une fois de plus, on se rend compte que l'extrémisme et le fanatisme peuvent toucher partout ! Les endroits les plus paisibles, et Marrakech en fait partie comme la Norvège, n'étaient hélas pas à l'abri Mais il ne faut pas pour autant faire l'amalgame et bouder pour cela ces destinations : ce sont des actes isolés.
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Là les victimes, c'était justement les blonds aux yeux bleus ...😕
Ils étaient Norvégiens mais il n'y avait pas beaucoup de blonds aux yeux bleus dans ce meeting politique... le choix de ce rassemblement n'est pas dû au hasard. C'est un malade point barre.
Ils étaient Norvégiens mais il n'y avait pas beaucoup de blonds aux yeux bleus dans ce meeting politique... le choix de ce rassemblement n'est pas dû au hasard. C'est un malade point barre.
Là les victimes, c'était justement les blonds aux yeux bleus ..
Renseigne toi mieux!! Moi j'ai tendance à penser que c'est plus grave qu'on le dit.. mais on disait la même chose en 1933 quand les premiers pogroms ont eu lieu en Allemagne contre les juifs! les acteurs étaient juste quelques déséquilibrés rien de plus!
Renseigne toi mieux!! Moi j'ai tendance à penser que c'est plus grave qu'on le dit.. mais on disait la même chose en 1933 quand les premiers pogroms ont eu lieu en Allemagne contre les juifs! les acteurs étaient juste quelques déséquilibrés rien de plus!
Euh ... revenons à nos moutons ....
Et que devient l'amie de TICTIC dans l'affaire ?
Se remet-elle de son choc du retour ?
Ann
... Là les victimes, c'était justement les blonds aux yeux bleus ... (lacalo)
Renseigne toi mieux!!
Je ne comprends pas le sens de ta réponse... le plus grand nombre de morts est à déplorer sur l'île où se tenait l'université d'été des jeunes du parti travailliste, donc des norvégiens, donc pour la plupart des blonds aux yeux bleus.
Le tireur n'a pas ciblé une communauté étrangère...
Renseigne toi mieux!!
Je ne comprends pas le sens de ta réponse... le plus grand nombre de morts est à déplorer sur l'île où se tenait l'université d'été des jeunes du parti travailliste, donc des norvégiens, donc pour la plupart des blonds aux yeux bleus.
Le tireur n'a pas ciblé une communauté étrangère...
L'attentat a été perpétré par un fondamentaliste chrétien Islamophobe il faut savoir qu'ils sont nombreux dans les pays nordiques mais aussi en Europe centrale et que si c'est le gouvernement Norvégien qui a été visé dans l'explosion, dans la fusillade il y avait de nombreuses personnes d'origine étrangère ( communauté musulmane qui est visée directement!!!) mais il y avait aussi des Norvégiens blonds aux yeux bleus parmi une majorité de jeunes issus de l'immigration...
le choix de ce rassemblement n'est pas dû au hasard. C'est un malade point barre.
Le choix de l'endroit de la fusillade lui était sûrement un pur hasard n'est ce pas?
Le choix de l'endroit de la fusillade lui était sûrement un pur hasard n'est ce pas?
Peut-être que tu sais des choses que nous ignorons...
Mais dans tout ce qui a été écrit (je ne regarde pas la télé) jusqu'à maintenant sur cette tragédie, il n'est pas précisé que le tueur visait une communauté précise... Dans un discours un peu nébuleux, il se revendique "fondamentaliste chrétien", "de droite", utilisant l'action terroriste dans le but de créer une sorte d'électrochoc pour éveiller les consciences...
L'endroit de la fusillade, une île sur laquelle se tenait un rassemblement... était la configuration idéale pour qu'une seule personne armée fasse un maximum de victimes...
... c'est un malade point barre...
C'est un malade... mais les thèmes qui l'ont inspiré en armeront d'autres. 😕
Mais dans tout ce qui a été écrit (je ne regarde pas la télé) jusqu'à maintenant sur cette tragédie, il n'est pas précisé que le tueur visait une communauté précise... Dans un discours un peu nébuleux, il se revendique "fondamentaliste chrétien", "de droite", utilisant l'action terroriste dans le but de créer une sorte d'électrochoc pour éveiller les consciences...
L'endroit de la fusillade, une île sur laquelle se tenait un rassemblement... était la configuration idéale pour qu'une seule personne armée fasse un maximum de victimes...
... c'est un malade point barre...
C'est un malade... mais les thèmes qui l'ont inspiré en armeront d'autres. 😕
C'est ce que je voulais dire, il a choisi ce rassemblement parce qu'il s'agissait d'un rassemblement où se trouvait des jeunes travaillistes d'origine culturelle différente.
plus les jours passent plus elle s'engouffre dans une bulle je ne peux pas franchir..elle reste dans son monde . plus rien n a d importance pour elle a part le desir de repartir la bas.
C'est vite vu. A elle assez d'argent pour repartir et pour vivre sur place quelques mois ou années ? A elle une profession assez pointue pour interesser une société indonésienne ou internationale? Non ? Alors expliques-lui que normalement a 27 ans, on est adulte. Comme dit précédemment, un petit stage de 3 mois dans la réalité économique de ce pays devrait lui faire changer d'avis. Elle devrait lire les expériences d'expats qui eux, savent de quoi ils parlent. Pas toujours rose la vie d'expat en Asie.
J'aimerai bien avoir l'avis des centaines de milliers d'Indonésiens vivant dans la précarité. Je suis certain que la plupart sont prêts à échanger leurs situation contre la sienne. Elle ne réalise pas la CHANCE qu'elle a d'êtres née en France, état de liberté, de droits et de nantis bien gras. Je préconiserait bien une bonne rouste pour remettre les pendules à l'heures, mais il parait qu'en France, contrairement a d'autres pays, ça ne se fait plus.
C'est vite vu. A elle assez d'argent pour repartir et pour vivre sur place quelques mois ou années ? A elle une profession assez pointue pour interesser une société indonésienne ou internationale? Non ? Alors expliques-lui que normalement a 27 ans, on est adulte. Comme dit précédemment, un petit stage de 3 mois dans la réalité économique de ce pays devrait lui faire changer d'avis. Elle devrait lire les expériences d'expats qui eux, savent de quoi ils parlent. Pas toujours rose la vie d'expat en Asie.
J'aimerai bien avoir l'avis des centaines de milliers d'Indonésiens vivant dans la précarité. Je suis certain que la plupart sont prêts à échanger leurs situation contre la sienne. Elle ne réalise pas la CHANCE qu'elle a d'êtres née en France, état de liberté, de droits et de nantis bien gras. Je préconiserait bien une bonne rouste pour remettre les pendules à l'heures, mais il parait qu'en France, contrairement a d'autres pays, ça ne se fait plus.
Linus
* ** .... qu'il s'agissait d'un rassemblement où se trouvait des jeunes travaillistes d'origine culturelle différente. .... *****
Y compris leurs supporters blonds aux yeux bleus, donc tous dans le même sac, il n'a pas eu à faire de choix de cibles! A espérer qu'il ne fasse pas d'émules ... espoir bien faible.
Et le sujet d'origine ..... il est bien loin ! pour ma part , au bout d'un certain délai , j'aurais changé de copine ! je suis (et j'étais) du genre à contouner et éviter les embrouilles, ça rend la vie plus radieuse.
Y compris leurs supporters blonds aux yeux bleus, donc tous dans le même sac, il n'a pas eu à faire de choix de cibles! A espérer qu'il ne fasse pas d'émules ... espoir bien faible.
Et le sujet d'origine ..... il est bien loin ! pour ma part , au bout d'un certain délai , j'aurais changé de copine ! je suis (et j'étais) du genre à contouner et éviter les embrouilles, ça rend la vie plus radieuse.
pour ma part , au bout d'un certain délai , j'aurais changé de copine ! je suis (et j'étais) du genre à contouner et éviter les embrouilles, ça rend la vie plus radieuse.
Ben dis donc, tu es pour les méthodes radicales toi ...😉
Enfin, là, ça sent quand même la peine de coeur. Tictic ne nous a pas dit si elle remonte la pente, ça fait plus d'une semaine qu'elle est revenue.
Ben dis donc, tu es pour les méthodes radicales toi ...😉
Enfin, là, ça sent quand même la peine de coeur. Tictic ne nous a pas dit si elle remonte la pente, ça fait plus d'une semaine qu'elle est revenue.
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
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Hello everyone on this forum!
I know in advance that what I'm about to say here won't please everyone, but honesty is a virtue, isn't it?
Here's the thing: for many years now, I've noticed a habit in French-speaking posts of using abbreviations left and right, as if to show that we're "in the know." Let me explain with a few examples:
- - In discussions about Peru, I see "Aguas" for "Aguas Calientes." And if it's Mexico, well, it'll be "Aguas" for "Aguascalientes"!
- - For Guatemala, "travelers" will say "Guaté." Come on, saying "Guatemalas" would maybe be the undeniable sign that you know nothing about the country???
- - Back from Indonesia, many will talk about how familiar they've become with the country's language: "bahasa." Of course, everyone will know what you're talking about, but it still gets on my nerves because the language (one of the many languages) of Indonesia is "bahasa Indonesia." "Bahasa" actually means "language," and you'll find this word of Indian origin ‘Bhāṣā’ (it's Sanskrit originally) outside Indonesia too: in Thailand, for example, any language will be "phasa" as in "phasa thai" (official Thai), "phasa isan" (what's spoken in northeastern Thailand), "phasa angkrit" = English, etc.
Am I an incorrigible nitpicker? Maybe. But I'd also find it ridiculous if a foreigner came and told me they visited "Monte" during their trip to France, when it was actually Monte Carlo.
I read a lot in English and don't think I've encountered such a habit among English speakers.
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Good evening everyone,
This is my 15,000th post, and it's a message I would have preferred never to write.
Patrick—Yangguizi—won’t be returning from his trek in Uganda. His health betrayed him in the mountains.
Like many of you, I laughed until I couldn’t anymore at his travel stories. I met him in Shanghai, then in Istanbul... We scoured restaurants—he was an incredible expert on world cuisines. We relived Korea, China. Always brilliant, so sharp, so funny, so down-to-earth. Being even a little bit his friend was something to be proud of. I think I envied him.
Patrick is still out there, of course... He found his happiness running across the world. He’s on his path. He never doubted that "the traveler doesn’t even know if he’ll return one day."
Not sure this would’ve suited him, but his departure devastates me.
Alright, Farewell, you foreign devil. Safe travels.
Michel
This is my 15,000th post, and it's a message I would have preferred never to write.
Patrick—Yangguizi—won’t be returning from his trek in Uganda. His health betrayed him in the mountains.
Like many of you, I laughed until I couldn’t anymore at his travel stories. I met him in Shanghai, then in Istanbul... We scoured restaurants—he was an incredible expert on world cuisines. We relived Korea, China. Always brilliant, so sharp, so funny, so down-to-earth. Being even a little bit his friend was something to be proud of. I think I envied him.
Patrick is still out there, of course... He found his happiness running across the world. He’s on his path. He never doubted that "the traveler doesn’t even know if he’ll return one day."
Not sure this would’ve suited him, but his departure devastates me.
Alright, Farewell, you foreign devil. Safe travels.
Michel
hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
.
.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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