La grande évasion: envie de stopper vos prochains voyages due à la crise économique?
by Williama
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Salut à tous,
Les récents développements de l'actualité mondiale et les perspectives économiques plutôt sombres, vous donnent-ils envie de stopper vos prochains projets de voyages, de les retarder ou alors de vous évader le plus longtemps possible de ce monde visiblement compliqué!
Pour ma part, cela n'influe en rien sur mes projets, quel qu'il soit. Les perspectives economiques sont plus plutot ensoleillee chez moi.
Un ami m'a dit: Le monde serait meilleur si chacun-e regardait dans l'assiette de l'autre et y rajoutait ce qu'il y manque
Ah ben zut je suis pas au courant, dans mon lointain caucase, qu'est-ce que c'est que cette histoire?
Un ami m'a dit: Le monde serait meilleur si chacun-e regardait dans l'assiette de l'autre et y rajoutait ce qu'il y manque
Quoi! tu veux dire qu'on en parle même pas dans ta lointaine Arménie?
Bon c'est vraiment un truc de pays riches cette histoire!
Disons que des banquiers US, mais ils ne sont pas les seuls, ont fait les cons ces dernières années en oubliant de faire leur métier et en jouant au casino entre eux! résultat, 40 grandes banques américaines viennent de déposer le bilan et le cataclysme touche maintenant l'Europe. Il y a des nationalisations du secteurs bancaires à tour de bras pour sauver ce qui peut l'être. Des pays comme l'Islande sont étatiquement en faillite, du jamais vu. Et les conséquences vont maintenant se poursuivre sur l'économie réelle et l'emploi...cette fois-ci ce n'est pas un effet médiatique😕
Waou!
Si si, ils doivent surement en parler, mais je ne regarde les infos que tres episodiquement, sur France 24. J'avais bien entendu qu'il y avait un shmilblick avec les banques, mais je t'avouerai que je n'y avais compris goutte.
Et concretement, dans la vie de tous les jours, ca fait quoi?
Un ami m'a dit: Le monde serait meilleur si chacun-e regardait dans l'assiette de l'autre et y rajoutait ce qu'il y manque
... Et concretement, dans la vie de tous les jours, ca fait quoi?... .
Ça fait que des tas de gens qui comme toi n'y comprennent goutte...ont un avis sur la question, y compris sur VF...
Que très vite l'argument qui, dans cette discussion, prétend relier le sujet aux voyages... ben voyons !... va voler en éclats... Ne subsistera plus qu'un échange genre café du commerce, ou dialogue de sourds comme VF les affectionne ces temps-ci... 😕 Dans lequel certains, moins complexés que d'autres par leur méconnaissance ou leur incompréhension dudit sujet... viendront nous expliquer la crise...
Pitié...
Ça fait que des tas de gens qui comme toi n'y comprennent goutte...ont un avis sur la question, y compris sur VF...
Que très vite l'argument qui, dans cette discussion, prétend relier le sujet aux voyages... ben voyons !... va voler en éclats... Ne subsistera plus qu'un échange genre café du commerce, ou dialogue de sourds comme VF les affectionne ces temps-ci... 😕 Dans lequel certains, moins complexés que d'autres par leur méconnaissance ou leur incompréhension dudit sujet... viendront nous expliquer la crise...
Pitié...
Mais non! mais non! arretez avec l'invective du "café du commerce" à tue tête dès qu'une discussion ne vous interesse pas.
Le ressenti, la compréhension d'un problème sans donner de grandes explications pompeuses et ch...tes sont infiniment respectables. En ce sens la réaction d'Oublieuse est intéressante.
Cette grave crise financière n'en est qu'à ses début. Elle ouvre un boulevard à l'anti néo-libéralisme et une redistribution des sphères d'influence sur la planète. Et sans vouloir tranformer VF en espace pour tribuniciens, on peut estimer que la curiosité est le dénominateur commun de tous les voyageurs dans leurs diversités.
'jour
Un café et douze pailles siouplait.
Non sans blague, la seule crise financière qui ralentirait le voyageur serait celle de son propre porte-monnaie uniquement.
La preuve... Les trois quarts de la planète vivent une crise financière permanente, on n'en parle d'ailleurs plus nulle part tellement cet état est devenu constant, et cela n'empêche en rien le voyageur de fouler de ses grands pieds les nombreuses terres où l'argent se fait rare.
Hips ! 😛
Un café et douze pailles siouplait.
Non sans blague, la seule crise financière qui ralentirait le voyageur serait celle de son propre porte-monnaie uniquement.
La preuve... Les trois quarts de la planète vivent une crise financière permanente, on n'en parle d'ailleurs plus nulle part tellement cet état est devenu constant, et cela n'empêche en rien le voyageur de fouler de ses grands pieds les nombreuses terres où l'argent se fait rare.
Hips ! 😛
cette "crise" mondiale est une opportunité inespérée....pour refaire le monde tous ensemble !!!😉
et concernant les voyages cela ne change rien à mes rêves ! si ce n'est peut-être se limiter à quelques destinations par manque de moyens ...de toute façon quand on veut réaliser un rêve de voyage ou de tour du monde beaucoup de gens ont prouvé qu'on pouvait le faire sans trop de sou et sans trop polluer (autostop, à pied, à vélo ) il faut seulement éprouvé une profonde volonté, se contenter de peu ( dormir à la belle étoile, sous une tente, manger avec frugalité etc ...) et surtout avoir l'envie de se trouver du temps pour voyager autrement qu'avec les congés payés (ex: tout plaquer ! 😉ou vivre une nouvelle vie...) beaucoup de choses sont encore possible malgré la "crise" il faut juste le vouloir "viscéralement" ! il faut faire la différence entre un vrai passionné du voyage qui est prêt à tout plaquer d'un "vacancier" qui aiment le voyage ou bien essayer de trouver un équilibre ou compromis entre les 2 à chacun de jauger son "degré de passion" !
"Sois le changement que tu veux voir dans le monde" (Gandhi)
...encore je trouve qu'employer le mot "crise" est exagéré et irrespectueux par rapport au gens qui sont dans la détresse et la misère !
les médias font souvent dans le sensationnelle et le lavage de cerveau...rien que pour exiter et faire paniquer les gens !
ces temps -ci ils m'ont vraiment saouler avec leur "crise virtuelle"...😠 trop de rabâchage !
"Sois le changement que tu veux voir dans le monde" (Gandhi)
Salut,
" les perspectives économiques plutôt sombres "
😏 Ah ca alors ! Mais qu'est-ce qui t'arrive ? Il y a encore quelques mois tu nous chantais les louanges du capitalisme qui nous preparait un avenir radieux...
" envie de stopper vos prochains projets de voyages, de les retarder "
Envie ??? Non pas vraiment. Mais les projets sont en suspens.
Catherine
" les perspectives économiques plutôt sombres "
😏 Ah ca alors ! Mais qu'est-ce qui t'arrive ? Il y a encore quelques mois tu nous chantais les louanges du capitalisme qui nous preparait un avenir radieux...
" envie de stopper vos prochains projets de voyages, de les retarder "
Envie ??? Non pas vraiment. Mais les projets sont en suspens.
Catherine
Ce que nous vivons aujourd'hui me fait penser a une histoire attribuee, je crois, a H.G.Wells.
Un paquebot de croisiere luxueuse echoue sur une ile peuplee de cannibales. Ces derniers montent sur le bateau, arrive dans une grande salle ou la fete continue malgre tout, musique, cotillons, danse, et ont du mal a interrompre les passagers qui les remarquent a peine jusqu'a ce que les cannibales en estourbissent un, ce qui contribue a leur faire prendre, a priori, conscience du danger dans lequel ils se trouvent.
- On va amener cet homme pour le manger, dit le chef cannibale. Demain, nous viendrons chercher une autre personne, ainsi de suite, jusqu'a ce vous finissiez tous dans nos estomacs.
Et dans un silence quasi religieux, les passagers regardent les cannibales, si peu nombreux en fait, trainer le corps de leur futur repas. Les fetards pourraient faire quelque chose, leur sauter dessus, les ecraser sous leur nombre, mais personne ne bouge.
Tout a coup quelqu'un dit : musique ! Et l'orchestre se remit a jouer, les passagers se lancerent a nouveau dans une danse endiablee !
Champagne pour tout le monde !!!😎
Champagne pour tout le monde !!!😎
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
sauf que dans le cas présent, les hommes ne sont pas des cannibales mais des exclus de la croissance, des affamés qui restent sagement en troupeaux de brebis en plein chome quand ils ne sont pas sur des radeaux de misère. ça amuse à la limite les ripailleurs trop repus de leurs addictions au profit à tout prix comme des ados sur leur playstation pour s'imaginer qu'à quelques mètres d'eux ils sont responsables d'avoir jouer avec la planète et la vie des gens.
le danger vient d'eux memes qui spolient le soi disant cannibale et contaminent sa nourriture, ses eaux pire, ce ne sont plus des prédateurs mais des exterminateurs qui dans une logique suicidaire vont bien arriver à plomber le navire
Champagne ! et comme sur le Titanic, les riches seront sauvés en premier.
C'est vrai le con du café du commerce n'a pas assez fait d'etudes pour s'apercevoir que plus il rame, moins il avance et que le repas à 150 000 euros que Fortis s'est offert à Monaco, c'est des cacahuètes que les cons de petits porteurs épongeront, la bètise ça se mérite...
se croire à l'abri parcequ'on est loin ou sans argent, c'est la garantie de sauter de l'avion de retour mais sans parachute ...
le danger vient d'eux memes qui spolient le soi disant cannibale et contaminent sa nourriture, ses eaux pire, ce ne sont plus des prédateurs mais des exterminateurs qui dans une logique suicidaire vont bien arriver à plomber le navire
Champagne ! et comme sur le Titanic, les riches seront sauvés en premier.
C'est vrai le con du café du commerce n'a pas assez fait d'etudes pour s'apercevoir que plus il rame, moins il avance et que le repas à 150 000 euros que Fortis s'est offert à Monaco, c'est des cacahuètes que les cons de petits porteurs épongeront, la bètise ça se mérite...
se croire à l'abri parcequ'on est loin ou sans argent, c'est la garantie de sauter de l'avion de retour mais sans parachute ...
Bonjour,
Peut-être as-tu mal compris l'histoire du paquebot..? Les gens qui dansent et ripaillent c'est toi, moi, nous quoi ! Dehors le monde est rouge sang (et à son avis il l'est pour longtemps) mais on continue à faire la fête ! Parcequ'on est dispo et qu'on a un cerveau on discute de différents sujets, on donne son avis, on contredit ses petits camarades...mais pendant ce temps-là, dehors, ça continue...Alors que faire ? On voyage ou pas ?
Bonne journée
Peut-être as-tu mal compris l'histoire du paquebot..? Les gens qui dansent et ripaillent c'est toi, moi, nous quoi ! Dehors le monde est rouge sang (et à son avis il l'est pour longtemps) mais on continue à faire la fête ! Parcequ'on est dispo et qu'on a un cerveau on discute de différents sujets, on donne son avis, on contredit ses petits camarades...mais pendant ce temps-là, dehors, ça continue...Alors que faire ? On voyage ou pas ?
Bonne journée
Bonjour,
'Alors que faire ? On voyage ou pas ? '
A quoi ca va t'avancer de ne pas voyager ?
Michel
'Alors que faire ? On voyage ou pas ? '
A quoi ca va t'avancer de ne pas voyager ?
Michel
en réponse à : "Ah ca alors ! Mais qu'est-ce qui t'arrive ? Il y a encore quelques mois tu nous chantais les louanges du capitalisme qui nous preparait un avenir radieux..."
Hello, moi chanter les louanges...tu dois confondre avec l'autre, William! Je lui parle plus à celui là!🤪
ou plutôt tu dois confondre mercantilisme, capitalisme et dérives néo-libérales
Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative au capitalisme sinon de l'anti-... Le procés du capitalisme a déjà commencé qui trouve ses procureurs jusque dans la droite honteuse. On renvoit dos à dos le communisme et le capitalisme. On dénonce l'argent roi, les parachutes dorés, l'appât du gain, la spéculation...enfin tout ce qui est excessif est mis en exergue. "Jetons le bébé avec l'eau du bain!" l'antiamericanisme faisant le reste. Mais les plus génés dans l'histoire sont ceux qui avaient rallié récemment et contre-nature la cause du libéralisme pour plaire...faire mode...🤪
Hello, moi chanter les louanges...tu dois confondre avec l'autre, William! Je lui parle plus à celui là!🤪
ou plutôt tu dois confondre mercantilisme, capitalisme et dérives néo-libérales
Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative au capitalisme sinon de l'anti-... Le procés du capitalisme a déjà commencé qui trouve ses procureurs jusque dans la droite honteuse. On renvoit dos à dos le communisme et le capitalisme. On dénonce l'argent roi, les parachutes dorés, l'appât du gain, la spéculation...enfin tout ce qui est excessif est mis en exergue. "Jetons le bébé avec l'eau du bain!" l'antiamericanisme faisant le reste. Mais les plus génés dans l'histoire sont ceux qui avaient rallié récemment et contre-nature la cause du libéralisme pour plaire...faire mode...🤪
Rien n'arretera le voyageur qui l'est dans les tripes! C'est VICERALE!!!.....😉
La peur n'arrete pas le pellerin!...😛
ou plutôt tu dois confondre mercantilisme, capitalisme et dérives néo-libérales
Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative au capitalisme sinon de l'anti-... Le procés du capitalisme a déjà commencé qui trouve ses procureurs jusque dans la droite honteuse. On renvoit dos à dos le communisme et le capitalisme. On dénonce l'argent roi, les parachutes dorés, l'appât du gain, la spéculation...enfin tout ce qui est excessif est mis en exergue. "Jetons le bébé avec l'eau du bain!" l'antiamericanisme faisant le reste. Mais les plus génés dans l'histoire sont ceux qui avaient rallié récemment et contre-nature la cause du libéralisme pour plaire...faire mode...🤪
Qu'est-ce que je disais déjà ?... ah oui : ... "Que très vite l'argument qui, dans cette discussion, prétend relier le sujet aux voyages... ben voyons !... va voler en éclats... "
Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative au capitalisme sinon de l'anti-... Le procés du capitalisme a déjà commencé qui trouve ses procureurs jusque dans la droite honteuse. On renvoit dos à dos le communisme et le capitalisme. On dénonce l'argent roi, les parachutes dorés, l'appât du gain, la spéculation...enfin tout ce qui est excessif est mis en exergue. "Jetons le bébé avec l'eau du bain!" l'antiamericanisme faisant le reste. Mais les plus génés dans l'histoire sont ceux qui avaient rallié récemment et contre-nature la cause du libéralisme pour plaire...faire mode...🤪
Qu'est-ce que je disais déjà ?... ah oui : ... "Que très vite l'argument qui, dans cette discussion, prétend relier le sujet aux voyages... ben voyons !... va voler en éclats... "
Salut Williama !
Eh ben moi non plus ça ne va rien changer à mes plans si ce n'est que je partirai encore plus longtemps pour compenser le prix et la pollution de l'avion, ceci dit si nous restons ici en Belgique, avec le temps qu'on a, on devrait de toute façon casquer pour le chauffage !
Et j'ai presqu'envie d'applaudir à cette crise pour qu'enfin on en revienne à de vraies valeurs ! à une VRAIE qualité de vie et qu'on arrête de nous bassiner les oreilles avec la balance économique !
Qu'on pense plutôt à équilibrer notre grosse Bouffe au lieu de gémir sur l'argent qui ne rapporte plus rien (il suffit de regarder les caddies ! )ce qui permettrait déjà à donner à manger à ceux qui ont faim! Bons voyages à toi Williama, Frisotine
Eh ben moi non plus ça ne va rien changer à mes plans si ce n'est que je partirai encore plus longtemps pour compenser le prix et la pollution de l'avion, ceci dit si nous restons ici en Belgique, avec le temps qu'on a, on devrait de toute façon casquer pour le chauffage !
Et j'ai presqu'envie d'applaudir à cette crise pour qu'enfin on en revienne à de vraies valeurs ! à une VRAIE qualité de vie et qu'on arrête de nous bassiner les oreilles avec la balance économique !
Qu'on pense plutôt à équilibrer notre grosse Bouffe au lieu de gémir sur l'argent qui ne rapporte plus rien (il suffit de regarder les caddies ! )ce qui permettrait déjà à donner à manger à ceux qui ont faim! Bons voyages à toi Williama, Frisotine
"heureux les yeux qui n'ont pas besoin d'illusion pour voir que le
spectacle est grand." Maurice Maeterlinck
se croire à l'abri parcequ'on est loin ou sans argent, c'est la garantie de sauter de l'avion de retour mais sans parachute ...
Je ne sais pas si cela fait reference a mon post, mais je vais le prendre comme tel.
Je ne crois pas que cette "crise" influera beaucoup sur ma propre vie, et sur la vie de beaucoup de personnes, qui se contentent de peu.
J'entends parler de cette crise, surtout par des gens qui ont un haut standard (francais travaillant a l'etranger), et bizarrement jamais par mes amis au budget restreint.
Oui cela touche avant tous les gens des pays dits pauvres, pour cela il me suffit de regarder le prix de... tout! ici dans le Caucase, la vie est extremement chere.
Malheureusement, je ne peux pas y faire grand-chose, a part aider mes amis s'ils veulent venir en France, pour leur billet d'avion et d'hebergement.
Je ne m'inquiete pour ma part pas tellement pour l'avenir, le present m'occupe suffisamment.
Discussion du cafe du commerce, ou pas, peu importe, certaines discussions ici sur VF sont de tres haute volee (voir le post sur la guerre en Georgie dans la partie Asie de l'Ouest par exemple), et d'autres non, personnellement j'affectionne les deux, je n'ai pas toujours envie de me triturer les neurones, et les debats a deux balles, ca repose.
Ceci etant dit, je devrais peut-etre arreter de poster, sous peine de recevoir 6/7 reponses de quelqu'un qui en a marre de lire mes posts 😛
Un ami m'a dit: Le monde serait meilleur si chacun-e regardait dans l'assiette de l'autre et y rajoutait ce qu'il y manque
Bonjour,
" désolé pour le caractère gras je me suis mélangé les pinceaux "
Tu sais qu'il y a une fonction "modifier" le message ?
Pour ce qui est de ton -confus- message en gras, pffff, je n'ai pas envie de lancer le ennième débatouillage williama-anàssa sur ce thème.
Et pis... et pis de toutes façons aujourd'hui je n'ai pas envie de voyager : je viens de lire que l'ue autorisait désormais l'utilisation des body scanner aux contrôles des aéroports (anàssa voyage surtout en avion) et je suis verte, de rage et d'écoeurement.
Catherine
" désolé pour le caractère gras je me suis mélangé les pinceaux "
Tu sais qu'il y a une fonction "modifier" le message ?
Pour ce qui est de ton -confus- message en gras, pffff, je n'ai pas envie de lancer le ennième débatouillage williama-anàssa sur ce thème.
Et pis... et pis de toutes façons aujourd'hui je n'ai pas envie de voyager : je viens de lire que l'ue autorisait désormais l'utilisation des body scanner aux contrôles des aéroports (anàssa voyage surtout en avion) et je suis verte, de rage et d'écoeurement.
Catherine
... anàssa voyage surtout en avion...
Hein !! quoi ????... Malheureuse inconsciente... Oser affirmer pareille chose !!... Va dire ça plutôt ici
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Hein !! quoi ????... Malheureuse inconsciente... Oser affirmer pareille chose !!... Va dire ça plutôt ici
... 😛
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Dans ce grand Monopoli il manque la case prison.Sinon pour moi rien ne va changer, je pars à la retraite en Afrique et je laisse les Banquiers dans la merde.Je pense qu'il serait bon de tout remettre à niveau de refaire ce monde économique, Politique et même les religions.La fin d'un système.
akwaba
Nous avons a peu pres compris l'histoire de la meme facon, et je preciserai que, face a un danger, une menace de quelque nature qu'elle soit, nous avons du mal a apporter une reponse collective, gage d'une plus grande efficacite.
Quant a voyager ou pas, c'est une question, comme celle de l'existence de dieu, qu'est-ce qu'il y a apres la mort ou autres calembredaines, que je ne me pose pas.
En 1987, il fallait carrement avoir "un permis" pour voyager, c'est a dire un document de couleur bleu, avec photo, precisant la somme limitee que nous comptions utiliser en quittant la France.
Et la vie continue....
ps : vu le comportement irationnel des boursiers, les actions massacrees, les financiers chinois, indiens, ceux des pays du golfe, doivent se frotter les mains et s'apprettent a acheter les actions des grands groupes, societes multinationales cotes en bourse, pour une bouche de pain. et pourquoi pas en prendre le controle comme a fait Mittal precedemment.
ps : vu le comportement irationnel des boursiers, les actions massacrees, les financiers chinois, indiens, ceux des pays du golfe, doivent se frotter les mains et s'apprettent a acheter les actions des grands groupes, societes multinationales cotes en bourse, pour une bouche de pain. et pourquoi pas en prendre le controle comme a fait Mittal precedemment.
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Bonjour,
'En 1987, il fallait carrement avoir "un permis" pour voyager, c'est a dire un document de couleur bleu, avec photo, precisant la somme limitee que nous comptions utiliser en quittant la France.'
Pas un permis... Une formalite de douane pour le controle des changes, et c'est bien avant 1987 ; dans les premieres annees Mitterrand je dirais.
Michel
'En 1987, il fallait carrement avoir "un permis" pour voyager, c'est a dire un document de couleur bleu, avec photo, precisant la somme limitee que nous comptions utiliser en quittant la France.'
Pas un permis... Une formalite de douane pour le controle des changes, et c'est bien avant 1987 ; dans les premieres annees Mitterrand je dirais.
Michel
Ah zut ! J'ai mis pour rien des guillemets a "permis" Pas grave ! Quant a la date de 87, tu as sans doute raison, et je crois qu'on peu preciser l'epoque ou ce pauvre Pierre Mauroy disait : je ne serais pas le premier ministre d'une troisieme devaluation. Et il y a eu une troisieme devaluation 😕 Les jeunes gens qui critiquent l'euro n'ont pas connu cette "glorieuse periode" !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Ce n'etais pas un permis parce tu pouvais aller ou tu voulais, mais tu devais declarer la somme sortie ; et elle etait limitee.
Michel
Michel
Excellent ! Je vois que tu "bosphore" toujours a plein !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
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'Excellent ! Je vois que tu "bosphoreS" toujours a plein !'
Dans le mesure du possible je prefere les choses precises, oui.
Michel
'Excellent ! Je vois que tu "bosphoreS" toujours a plein !'
Dans le mesure du possible je prefere les choses precises, oui.
Michel
Ah zut encore ! Je n'ai pas mis de s expres pour ne considerer que l'image. Mais tu as raison😏 Faut etre precis !
Ce nouveau neologisme, devenu verbe de surcroit, sera j'espere tres utilise sur VF !
J'aurais pas bosphorer pour rien ce soir !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
bonjour
j'ai placé tous mes sous dans les voyages depuis 15 ans, donc rien à la banque, mais la richesse d'avoir plein d'amis dans plein de pays différents,
de m'être fait pleins de beaux souvenirs et surtout d'être riche de coeur ce qui est a mes yeux la seule richesse importante...
donc bien sur, je vais continuer mes voyages ...
bon voyage a tous
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
Bonsoir je n'ai rien mais ma richesse, mes souvenirs, mes 25 années passées en Afrique des années magnifiques et mon choix vivre ma vie, ma passion la vidéo, la photo, ma religion mon Coeur.A 65 ans je me suis Libéré (presque)un peu tard mais le système est ainsi la retraite, la Sécu, je suis loin de La Politique, des Syndicats, de La Religion, du Foot, des émissions de Télé (la drogue du Peuple).
akwaba
longue vie à toi 😉😉
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
Bonjour,
" A quoi ca va t'avancer de ne pas voyager ? "
Juste par politesse, pour donner une réponse :
"Au moins autant que de voyager" répondit le petit hamster en courant dans sa cage qui tourne sur elle-même.
Salut
" A quoi ca va t'avancer de ne pas voyager ? "
Juste par politesse, pour donner une réponse :
"Au moins autant que de voyager" répondit le petit hamster en courant dans sa cage qui tourne sur elle-même.
Salut
Bonjour,
'"Au moins autant que de voyager" répondit le petit hamster en courant dans sa cage qui tourne sur elle-même. '
Si vous estimez que les voyages ne vous apportent rien de plus que si vous ne les faisiez pas, effectivement, il ne faut pas les faire.
Michel
'"Au moins autant que de voyager" répondit le petit hamster en courant dans sa cage qui tourne sur elle-même. '
Si vous estimez que les voyages ne vous apportent rien de plus que si vous ne les faisiez pas, effectivement, il ne faut pas les faire.
Michel
Pas un permis...
Une formalite de douane pour le controle des changes, et c'est bien avant 1987 ; dans les premieres annees Mitterrand je dirais.
Exact, Tatra, c'était en 83 (j'ai gardé le document en souvenir !)
Le seul objectif consistait à éviter la fuite de capitaux vers l'étranger donc à limiter le change des francs français en monnaie étrangère... mais les modalités en étaient curieuses, car il était possible de dépenser des sommes coquettes avant de partir, simplement en achetant du "all inclusive" dans une agence de voyages française ! Cette mesure pénalisait d'avantage le pauvre gars qui voulait aller en camping en Espagne avec sa propre voiture, que le type fortuné qui pouvait se payer trois semaines dans un palace doré aux Seychelles !
C'est la première année ou j'ai du, de ce fait, partir en vacances en groupe (... et, un malheur n'arrivant jamais seul, dans les brumes islandaises !😉) En quelque sorte, une rupture soudaine avec mon indépendance légendaire et un premier contact avec le "collectivisme" 😉... Donc ça m'a marqué psychologiquement... et à vie ! (Plus question de voter pour un Parti politique qui vous impose des vacances "all inclusive" 🤪!)
L'année suivante, François Mitterrand a préféré rompre avec le socialisme (et renvoyer Mauroy sur Lille déserte !😉) et le contrôle des changes s'est interrompu (on l'a échappé belle car le stade d'après, c'était la confiscation du passeport... puis le goulag pour les voyageurs ! 😉)
On pourra dire ce qu'on veut, mais la liberté de circuler, c'est pour moi une des premières libertés incontournables (je suis sur que des millions de Chinois, de Coréens du Nord ou de Cubains nous envieraient en lisant VF, ...mais ils ne le peuvent pas tous, malheureusement ! 😕)
Exact, Tatra, c'était en 83 (j'ai gardé le document en souvenir !)
Le seul objectif consistait à éviter la fuite de capitaux vers l'étranger donc à limiter le change des francs français en monnaie étrangère... mais les modalités en étaient curieuses, car il était possible de dépenser des sommes coquettes avant de partir, simplement en achetant du "all inclusive" dans une agence de voyages française ! Cette mesure pénalisait d'avantage le pauvre gars qui voulait aller en camping en Espagne avec sa propre voiture, que le type fortuné qui pouvait se payer trois semaines dans un palace doré aux Seychelles !
C'est la première année ou j'ai du, de ce fait, partir en vacances en groupe (... et, un malheur n'arrivant jamais seul, dans les brumes islandaises !😉) En quelque sorte, une rupture soudaine avec mon indépendance légendaire et un premier contact avec le "collectivisme" 😉... Donc ça m'a marqué psychologiquement... et à vie ! (Plus question de voter pour un Parti politique qui vous impose des vacances "all inclusive" 🤪!)
L'année suivante, François Mitterrand a préféré rompre avec le socialisme (et renvoyer Mauroy sur Lille déserte !😉) et le contrôle des changes s'est interrompu (on l'a échappé belle car le stade d'après, c'était la confiscation du passeport... puis le goulag pour les voyageurs ! 😉)
On pourra dire ce qu'on veut, mais la liberté de circuler, c'est pour moi une des premières libertés incontournables (je suis sur que des millions de Chinois, de Coréens du Nord ou de Cubains nous envieraient en lisant VF, ...mais ils ne le peuvent pas tous, malheureusement ! 😕)
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en réponse à:
"j'ai placé tous mes sous dans les voyages depuis 15 ans, donc rien à la banque, mais la richesse d'avoir plein d'amis dans plein de pays différents, de m'être fait pleins de beaux souvenirs et surtout d'être riche de coeur ce qui est a mes yeux la seule richesse importante..."
Merci c'est une très belle réponse. En fait, peu nombreux sont ceux qui arrêteraient leurs projets de voyage à cause d'un contexte plus difficile. C'est que c'est une vraie drogue le plaisir de la découverte😉...on s'adapte! Et dans l'autre sens aussi? peu nombreux sont ceux ou celles qui auraient envie de quitter "la planète économique" très longtemps ou définitivement pour vivre entièrement leur passion...
Merci c'est une très belle réponse. En fait, peu nombreux sont ceux qui arrêteraient leurs projets de voyage à cause d'un contexte plus difficile. C'est que c'est une vraie drogue le plaisir de la découverte😉...on s'adapte! Et dans l'autre sens aussi? peu nombreux sont ceux ou celles qui auraient envie de quitter "la planète économique" très longtemps ou définitivement pour vivre entièrement leur passion...
... Et concretement, dans la vie de tous les jours, ca fait quoi?... .
Ça fait que des tas de gens qui comme toi n'y comprennent goutte...ont un avis sur la question, y compris sur VF...
Que très vite l'argument qui, dans cette discussion, prétend relier le sujet aux voyages... ben voyons !... va voler en éclats... Ne subsistera plus qu'un échange genre café du commerce, ou dialogue de sourds comme VF les affectionne ces temps-ci... 😕 Dans lequel certains, moins complexés que d'autres par leur méconnaissance ou leur incompréhension dudit sujet... viendront nous expliquer la crise...
Pitié...
Bravo, Kola ! je vois que tu parasites pas mal de discussions. Critiquer le fait que des gens puissent échanger des idées sur des questions d'actualité plus que préoccupantes, en les résumant à des discussions de comptoir, je trouve que c'est une atteinte des libertés... je ne comprends pas ce genre de fascisme ( partagé avec maitairoa), les forums sont faits pour discuter librement. Votre attitude, à toi et maitairoa, est grotesque Pour les autres, désolé d'avoir momentanément interrompu la discussion, que je vous laisse continuer.
Ça fait que des tas de gens qui comme toi n'y comprennent goutte...ont un avis sur la question, y compris sur VF...
Que très vite l'argument qui, dans cette discussion, prétend relier le sujet aux voyages... ben voyons !... va voler en éclats... Ne subsistera plus qu'un échange genre café du commerce, ou dialogue de sourds comme VF les affectionne ces temps-ci... 😕 Dans lequel certains, moins complexés que d'autres par leur méconnaissance ou leur incompréhension dudit sujet... viendront nous expliquer la crise...
Pitié...
Bravo, Kola ! je vois que tu parasites pas mal de discussions. Critiquer le fait que des gens puissent échanger des idées sur des questions d'actualité plus que préoccupantes, en les résumant à des discussions de comptoir, je trouve que c'est une atteinte des libertés... je ne comprends pas ce genre de fascisme ( partagé avec maitairoa), les forums sont faits pour discuter librement. Votre attitude, à toi et maitairoa, est grotesque Pour les autres, désolé d'avoir momentanément interrompu la discussion, que je vous laisse continuer.
Dans lequel certains, moins complexés que d'autres par leur méconnaissance ou leur incompréhension dudit sujet... viendront nous expliquer la crise...
pourquoi c'est faux ?? je trouves que kola a bien raison.... surtout que certains pour cela font du copier/collé....🙂
et en matière de discussions de comptoir, vous excellez......
pour répondre au sujet du post, non, cela ne m'empeche pas de voyager et n'a rien changé a ma vie de tous les jours, ni inquietude, et que l'euro baisse et le dollar monte, me satisfait pleinement.
pourquoi c'est faux ?? je trouves que kola a bien raison.... surtout que certains pour cela font du copier/collé....🙂
et en matière de discussions de comptoir, vous excellez......
pour répondre au sujet du post, non, cela ne m'empeche pas de voyager et n'a rien changé a ma vie de tous les jours, ni inquietude, et que l'euro baisse et le dollar monte, me satisfait pleinement.
Hola !
"Si vous estimez que les voyages ne vous apportent rien de plus que si vous ne les faisiez pas, effectivement, il ne faut pas les faire."
Très juste. J'ai lu une remarque sur le café du commerce mais je ne suis pas sûr d'en avoir bien compris le sens : est-ce qu'une discussion de café est une discussion bas de gamme ? Moi ça me plaît en tous cas ! Tu sais qu'à la fin rien n'aura changé mais tu passes un bon moment ! Alors que sur VF c'est pas pareil !???
Bonne Journée
"Si vous estimez que les voyages ne vous apportent rien de plus que si vous ne les faisiez pas, effectivement, il ne faut pas les faire."
Très juste. J'ai lu une remarque sur le café du commerce mais je ne suis pas sûr d'en avoir bien compris le sens : est-ce qu'une discussion de café est une discussion bas de gamme ? Moi ça me plaît en tous cas ! Tu sais qu'à la fin rien n'aura changé mais tu passes un bon moment ! Alors que sur VF c'est pas pareil !???
Bonne Journée
...et en plus sur VF t'es pas bourré à la fin de la palabre😏
Moi ce qui m'afflige c'est justement le non-dit. Les faux cercles où on ne dit rien de peur de soulever le mauvais lièvre. Ou encore ces repas de famille où tout le monde se regarde en chien de faïence en couvant ses vieilles rancunes. Sans oublier ceux qui n'apparaîssent que pour faire de grandes déclamations sentencieuses et qui retombent aussitôt dans leur apostolat silencieux...
Bon allez patron remettez une tournée😏!! une kro pour les uns de l'eau plate pour les autres!!🤪
Moi ce qui m'afflige c'est justement le non-dit. Les faux cercles où on ne dit rien de peur de soulever le mauvais lièvre. Ou encore ces repas de famille où tout le monde se regarde en chien de faïence en couvant ses vieilles rancunes. Sans oublier ceux qui n'apparaîssent que pour faire de grandes déclamations sentencieuses et qui retombent aussitôt dans leur apostolat silencieux...
Bon allez patron remettez une tournée😏!! une kro pour les uns de l'eau plate pour les autres!!🤪
pour répondre au sujet du post, non, cela ne m'empeche pas de voyager et n'a rien changé a ma vie de tous les jours, ni inquietude, et que l'euro baisse et le dollar monte, me satisfait pleinement.
une dernière petite Kro pour carthago, et que le chomage puisse monter te satisfait-il aussi pleinement ?😉, chacun ses plaisirs, certes
une dernière petite Kro pour carthago, et que le chomage puisse monter te satisfait-il aussi pleinement ?😉, chacun ses plaisirs, certes
rien a voir, mais rien du tout, mais bon, c'est de votre niveau....
pour le $ vu que j'en ai acheté pas mal quand il le fallait, .....
aie aie aie, l'euro remonte.......🏴☠️
moi aussi mes sous passent surtout dans mes voyages, mais pour pouvoir continuer à partir, il va falloir que je continue de travailler !!!! c'est surtout cela qui est inquiètant, car tous les pauvres gens qui vont se retrouver à la rue ne sont pas ceux qui spéculent mais les salariés lambda des entreprises du CAC 40 qui se cassent la gueule.
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Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
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"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
Hi there, I’ve been traveling for 18 years now, at least 6 months a year, and as the years go by, I actually enjoy coming back to France more and more—a feeling I struggled with at first. I mean, we always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
But in the end, I find meaning in that saying about how there’s no place like home. I still love traveling just as much, but now my trips are shorter, and I enjoy spending more time in our beautiful country, even though I don’t hesitate to criticize it.
How about you? How do you handle coming back from your travels?
A few years ago, I went with a group of friends to lend a hand at a small rural school near Thiès, Senegal.
It was a relaxed but hardworking atmosphere—hands in the mortar, laughter, exchanges, and everything that a COOPERATION project can bring.
Today, the little project is flying on its own.
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*. The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods. On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs? Maybe those will be *theirs*? What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get? What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel? Do you understand the Martians? Are their motivations peaceful?
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*. The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods. On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs? Maybe those will be *theirs*? What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get? What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel? Do you understand the Martians? Are their motivations peaceful?
