Merci de vos conseils et retours!
Belgique - Hollande à vélo et retour par train
by Malditx
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Nous commençons à préparer notre périple pour cet été, et à priori c'est parti pour un tour Belgique et Hollande sur 3 semaines environ.
Habitant sur Paris, on se demande si on peut partir de Paris et rentrer en train, o partir en train et rentrer en vélo ou partir et rentrer en train. (Quand je parle là de train, je veux dire sans avoir à démonter les vélos). J'ai cherché sur la SNCF, sur le forum et sur des blogs des membres du forum, mais j'ai l'impression que les informations sont contradictoires (ou que je ne comprends rien).
Peut-on prendre un train Paris-Bruxelles avec les vélos sans démonter?
Par rapport aux fameuses cartes LF, sont-elles toujours d'actualité (et d'utilité)? Un message du forum datant de 2013 disait ne plus être éditées. Si non, nous sommes preneurs d'autres cartes (le top du top serait si elles relient la Belgique et la Hollande).
Merci de vos conseils et retours!
Merci de vos conseils et retours!
Je viens de faire 1 semaine aux Pays-Bas. Habitant Lille, j'ai pris le train jusque Bruges (coût du vélo 8€ car 2 trains; changement à Courtrai) Billet pour le vélo non vendu en France mais achetable par internet.
Pour les cartes, il y a plusieurs éditeurs. Certaines cartes sont vendues aux VVV (office du tourisme) . D'autres sont vendues dans les librairies/presse ou les 2. Je préfère celle éditées par 'Falk' aux 1:50 000. www.falk.nl. Tout y est , les LF et les noeuds et liaison, les campings, (mais avec des erreurs, certains campings indiqués n'existent pas.) mais les cartes sont assez chères (9€). j'ai du en acheter 5.
Pour la Belgique, on trouve les cartes dans les offices du tourisme.
Acheter ces cartes par avance me semble difficile.
Avec un GPS, on peut préparer son trajet avec https://www.fietsnet.be/routeplanner/default.aspx par exemple.
Bonjour,
je me déplace souvent en train plus vélo, il faut ruser avec le système pour y arriver Oui Voyage dispose maintenant d'une option un peu cachée une fois défini ton voyage clique sur plus de critères, puis descends tu trouvera nouveau voyager avec son vélo coche les cases désirées, tu aura des propositions pour voyager avec ton vélo.
Je me sert beaucoup de cette carte qui me permet de voir commet est desservi la france, malheureusement quand le TGV dessert une ville difficile de trouver un trajet en Ter ou Intercité, le système est conçu pour vous envoyer sur les TGV, a ce moment la je ruse en coupant ma demande en 2 grâce à la carte du réseau que tu trouvera ici : https://www.sncf-reseau.fr/sites/default/files/upload/_Carte/2018/Carte_RFN_2018.pdf
En partant ou de retour à Paris tu peux aller jusqu'à Calais Ville tu as le choix entre TGV proposé automatiquement par le site et Intercité en programmant un Paris Boulogne, puis un Boulogne Calais, à partir de la la côte est très belle, il y a beaucoup de pistes cyclables pour monter vers le nord. Je prends régulièrement la ligne jusqu'à Abbeville sans soucis, c'est le même train qui monte jusqu'à Boulogne. A destination ou au retour de Dunkerque les vélo sont accepté en payant 10 euros. Tu peux aussi partir ou rentrer par Maubeuge avec un Intercité, les pistes cyclables 85 km pour monter jusqu'à Bruxelles sont très sympa, je l'ai pris en rentrant d'un balade en Belgique. Aller juqu'à Bruxelles en train sans démonter les vélos me parait impossible, restent les Cars qui prennent en charge les vélos sous conditions
En partant ou de retour à Paris tu peux aller jusqu'à Calais Ville tu as le choix entre TGV proposé automatiquement par le site et Intercité en programmant un Paris Boulogne, puis un Boulogne Calais, à partir de la la côte est très belle, il y a beaucoup de pistes cyclables pour monter vers le nord. Je prends régulièrement la ligne jusqu'à Abbeville sans soucis, c'est le même train qui monte jusqu'à Boulogne. A destination ou au retour de Dunkerque les vélo sont accepté en payant 10 euros. Tu peux aussi partir ou rentrer par Maubeuge avec un Intercité, les pistes cyclables 85 km pour monter jusqu'à Bruxelles sont très sympa, je l'ai pris en rentrant d'un balade en Belgique. Aller juqu'à Bruxelles en train sans démonter les vélos me parait impossible, restent les Cars qui prennent en charge les vélos sous conditions
Voyageur en vélo électrique classique ou pliant
Il y a l option Dunkerque vous pouvez prendre le Tgv avec votre velos.A Dunkerque vous etes a 10 km des pistes cyclabe belges .les cartes pour la belgique etla Hollande on les trouvent dans les librairies en belgiques. Si vous toujours partant pour ce voyage contacter moi en mp je pourrais eventuellement vous fournir les cartes
Bonsoir ,
Étant également en train de preparer les vacances en vélo en Hollande , mon soucis du jour est de trouver comment rallier Breda en train avec les vélos? ou bien aller à Dunkerque en train et rejoindre la Hollande en vélo ? Ou bien faire du blablacar jusqu'à Bruxelles et louer les vélos pour 10 jours ? Mon autre questionnement : est ce possible de faire Dunkerque -Amsterdam par la LF1 et retour par la LF4 en 10 jours? Si on compte une moyenne de 7kms par jours ?
Pour les cartes de Hollande , j'ai commende sur le site Landelijk Fietplatform Www.Nederlandfietsland.nl Cartes 1:100.000 Il y aussi des sites avec application pour les campings natures Bref, il faut bien farfouiller pour avoir des informations !
Merci d'avance pour vos trucs et astuces afin de préparer au mieux ce voyage !
Étant également en train de preparer les vacances en vélo en Hollande , mon soucis du jour est de trouver comment rallier Breda en train avec les vélos? ou bien aller à Dunkerque en train et rejoindre la Hollande en vélo ? Ou bien faire du blablacar jusqu'à Bruxelles et louer les vélos pour 10 jours ? Mon autre questionnement : est ce possible de faire Dunkerque -Amsterdam par la LF1 et retour par la LF4 en 10 jours? Si on compte une moyenne de 7kms par jours ?
Pour les cartes de Hollande , j'ai commende sur le site Landelijk Fietplatform Www.Nederlandfietsland.nl Cartes 1:100.000 Il y aussi des sites avec application pour les campings natures Bref, il faut bien farfouiller pour avoir des informations !
Merci d'avance pour vos trucs et astuces afin de préparer au mieux ce voyage !
lise
Oui c'est bien une moyenne de 70 kms !
Guichet de gare en grève aujourd'hui ..
lise
Bonjour,
On envisage de rentrer Amsterdam - Bruxelles en train, puis emprunter ces pistes dont vous parliez jusqu'à Maubeuge, puis train pour Paris.
Pourriez-vous nous dire un peu plus sur cette liaison Bruxelles-Maubeuge? J'avoue que j'appréhende un peu quitter Bruxelles en vélo.
Bonjour Malditx
J’ai souvenir d’un retour très sympa avec de belles voie velo de memoire nous sommes passés le long de canaux, notamment un système d’assenseur à péniches, la ville Binche, nous sommes arrivés a maubeuge par un joli canal, je n’ai pas le souvenir que la sortie de Bruxelles aie été dit difficile d’autant plus que les automobilistes belges sont en général plus respectueux que les Français, regarde le site Cycle Travel ils affichent toutes les pistes cyclables http://cycle.travel/map tu pourra quitter Bruxelles par le Rv1 ou la Rv10, je trace mon parcours, l’exporte dans mon tel, grâce à un lecteur de trace GPS j’ai en permanence la route à suivre cela me permet de facilement m’orienter.
J’ai souvenir d’un retour très sympa avec de belles voie velo de memoire nous sommes passés le long de canaux, notamment un système d’assenseur à péniches, la ville Binche, nous sommes arrivés a maubeuge par un joli canal, je n’ai pas le souvenir que la sortie de Bruxelles aie été dit difficile d’autant plus que les automobilistes belges sont en général plus respectueux que les Français, regarde le site Cycle Travel ils affichent toutes les pistes cyclables http://cycle.travel/map tu pourra quitter Bruxelles par le Rv1 ou la Rv10, je trace mon parcours, l’exporte dans mon tel, grâce à un lecteur de trace GPS j’ai en permanence la route à suivre cela me permet de facilement m’orienter.
Voyageur en vélo électrique classique ou pliant
Bonsoir,
J'espère que vous avez fait un beau voyage l'année dernière ?
je reviens sur le forum et en profite pour prendre des infos car vous avez du allez en Hollande l'été dernier .
J'étais également en plein préparatifs partir pour 2 semaines mais comme ca me paraissais un peu juste au niveau du temps , j'avais un plan B .
Nous avons optés pour train +vélo jusqu'à Caen puis passer par Bayeux, St Fromont, St lo, Vire,
mont St Michel , Cancale et St Malo avec retour en train . Une très belle ballade !
Mais cette année , j'ai trois semaines ! je pense prendre le train La Rochelle - Paris , Paris -Denkerque et prendre le vélo direction Bruges puis Sluis puis suivre la LF1 jusqu'à Amsterdam puis redescendre par Diemen, Huizen, Abcoude , Ultrecht, Maarsen, Gouda , Rotterdam, Dordrecht puis prendre le train pour rejoindre Middelbourg et enfin pédaler jusqu'à Denderque afin de reprendre le train direction La Rochelle .
qu'en penses tu ? j'ai les cartes detaillées des pistes avec des indications pour les campings , mais j'aimerais trouver un catalogue qui répertori tous les campings. j'ai un peu peur qu'il y ai moins de campings dans les terres .
A bientôt , Lise
Mais cette année , j'ai trois semaines ! je pense prendre le train La Rochelle - Paris , Paris -Denkerque et prendre le vélo direction Bruges puis Sluis puis suivre la LF1 jusqu'à Amsterdam puis redescendre par Diemen, Huizen, Abcoude , Ultrecht, Maarsen, Gouda , Rotterdam, Dordrecht puis prendre le train pour rejoindre Middelbourg et enfin pédaler jusqu'à Denderque afin de reprendre le train direction La Rochelle .
qu'en penses tu ? j'ai les cartes detaillées des pistes avec des indications pour les campings , mais j'aimerais trouver un catalogue qui répertori tous les campings. j'ai un peu peur qu'il y ai moins de campings dans les terres .
A bientôt , Lise
lise
Bonjour,
Excuse-moi, je n'avais pas vu ton message.
Le périple de l'été dernier s'est très bien passé, un voyage de rêve.
Nous n'avons pas fait le même parcours que tu envisages, mais franchement en Hollande aucun soucis, leur systèmes des noeuds est tout simplement génial pour se repérer.
Concernant les campings, au contraire ça peut être plus compliqué le long de la côte. En Hollande on a suivi la LF1 jusqu'à Den Helder et des fois on devait rentrer dans les terres pour avoir un camping, mais rien de méchant (plein mois d'août). Le bon plan: le camping à la ferme. Pas cher, calmes, ambiance familiale...
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I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Heinz Stucke has passed away.
He never stopped traveling the world since 1962.
So sad.
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hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hi there,
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
Coming soon:
https://www.Biclou.com/parcours/durance/
Starting from Faverges: 900 km over 9 days

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Hi there,
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
Hi there!
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.