Bolivie ou Pérou pour trek?
by Audette
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bonjour
j'hesite actuellement entre la Bolivie et le Perou pour y faire un trek avec Nomades ou Club Av. Ce que je recherche particulierement .. comme tous de superbes paysages, du depaysement, et surtout des contacts aec des populations un peu "hors du temps", des costumes authentiques, des traditions ... j'adoire la photo et surtout les portraits !
merci pr vos conseils !
Et pour moi ce sera Bolivie, Bolivie et encore Bolivie...
Avec ça, on est bien avançés 😉
Parlons de ce que je connais: en Bolivie, tu trouveras une grande diversité de paysage et tu pourras randonner dans des environnements très différents. Proche de la Paz, tu pourras aller sur les îles du lac Titica, randonner avec la Cordillère Royale en trame de fond, aller justement dans ces cordillères, ou aller dans les Yungas (1 heure de la Paz) pour trekker dans la forêt.
Après, sache qu'il est très facile d'organiser tes excursions depuis la Paz, et que c'est bien moins cher qu'avec ce genre d'organismes (Terre d'Av et consorts...). En une heure dans la Calle Sagarnaga, tu peux plannifier tout ça très bien. Je me rappelle avoir croisé sur l'Isla del Sol 2 anglais avec une guide de Terra Andina qui courraient sur le chemin. A peine se sont ils arrêtés pour nous saluer. Je trouve dommage de ne pas pouvoir prendre un peu son temps pour profiter du moment présent...
Lulu
Parlons de ce que je connais: en Bolivie, tu trouveras une grande diversité de paysage et tu pourras randonner dans des environnements très différents. Proche de la Paz, tu pourras aller sur les îles du lac Titica, randonner avec la Cordillère Royale en trame de fond, aller justement dans ces cordillères, ou aller dans les Yungas (1 heure de la Paz) pour trekker dans la forêt.
Après, sache qu'il est très facile d'organiser tes excursions depuis la Paz, et que c'est bien moins cher qu'avec ce genre d'organismes (Terre d'Av et consorts...). En une heure dans la Calle Sagarnaga, tu peux plannifier tout ça très bien. Je me rappelle avoir croisé sur l'Isla del Sol 2 anglais avec une guide de Terra Andina qui courraient sur le chemin. A peine se sont ils arrêtés pour nous saluer. Je trouve dommage de ne pas pouvoir prendre un peu son temps pour profiter du moment présent...
Lulu
"En alpinisme, tout est affaire de montagnes quand elles sont belles et de compagnons quand ils sont bons." Dominique Radigue
Je suis actuellement au Perou et je viens de faire le tour de la cordillere Huayhuash, 8 jours, et le tour de l´Alpamayo en 10 jours.
Les paysages sont splendides, des grands glaciers, des lagunes vertes ou bleu ... mais tres peu d´habitants dans les montagnes. Tu risques détre decu pour ce qui est des contacts avec la population lors des treks. Au maximum tu croiseras un ou deux bergers par jour.
Par contre la population locale en costume traditionnelle est tres presente dans les villages et les petites montagnes alentours.
Bon voyage
Bon voyage
Bonjour,
Ce n'est pas le pays que tu choisras entre les deux qui répondra à tes attentes mais la facon de les parcourir. Entre autres, je pense que le groupe organisé n'est pas la meilleure facon d'établir des contacts directs avec la population locale. C'est dans le partage d'un certain quotidien, et en particulier par la langue, que j'y suis le mieux arrivé, quelque soi le pays.
Ceci dit, pour ce qui est des randonnées et de la beauté des paysages, on ne peut être décu en choisissant l'un ou l'autre de ces pays, du moment qu'on se laisse envahir par la beauté fulgurante de la cordillère.
Bonne ballade !
Patrice
Ce n'est pas le pays que tu choisras entre les deux qui répondra à tes attentes mais la facon de les parcourir. Entre autres, je pense que le groupe organisé n'est pas la meilleure facon d'établir des contacts directs avec la population locale. C'est dans le partage d'un certain quotidien, et en particulier par la langue, que j'y suis le mieux arrivé, quelque soi le pays.
Ceci dit, pour ce qui est des randonnées et de la beauté des paysages, on ne peut être décu en choisissant l'un ou l'autre de ces pays, du moment qu'on se laisse envahir par la beauté fulgurante de la cordillère.
Bonne ballade !
Patrice
Bonjour,
POur moi, ce serait tres clairement le Perou.. Il y a enormement de trek tres beau et sportif à realiser et des encore tres sauvage ...SI tu veux avoir quelques idées plus precises tu peus aller sur notre site : fudrol.free.fr soit sur le carnet de route soit sur le coin photos.. N'hesites pas si tu as des questions plus precises a reprendre contact !! a +
SUPERbe vos photos... notamment celles de Bolivie où la nature parait très variée, peut etre + qu'au Perou ...! et que pensez vs de l'Equateur ?? niveau variété des paysages et "authenticié des ppulations" ?
merci bcp pour votre conseil !
Cela dépend de QUEL TREK il s'agit en Pérou ou en Bolivie, il me semble.
coucou!
pour ce que qui est des rencontres avec la population, je te conseille de faire un petit tour du coté de chivay!
nous sommes partis à pied de chivay, direction coporaque, ichupampa puis yanque, ce n'est pas de la rando/rando car c'est plutôt plat, tu longes le début du canyon de colca sur une route non goudronée et où il ne passe aucune voiture. tu vois la vie des gens dans les champs, et surtout tu as l'impression qu'aucun autre "blanc" n'est passé avant, vu la façon dont les gens sont intrigués en te voyant.
nous avons été hébergé chez une famille adorable à ichupampa, où nous avons beaucoup échangé, ils nous ont proposé de rester une journée pour voir une fête de la pomme de terre... bref que du bonheur!!
cela restera mon plus beau souvenir du pérou!!!
bon voyage à toi!
et n'hésite pas si tu veux d'autres infos!
Salut,
Il y a beaucoup de types de paysages différents et donc de treks possibles au Pérou, Bolivie et Equateur, c'est une question de choix ou de gouts. Dans le Sud Lipez (Sud ouest de la Bolivie) et l'Atacama (Nord du Chili) tu verras des paysages d'une autre planète : salars, lagunes, volcans. La traversée du sud Lipez et le Salar d'Uyuni sont tout simplement fantastiques. Par contre les distances sont grandes et les "vrais" treks pas vraiment possibles, ça serait plutôt des marches à la journée entrecoupées de longues journée en 4*4. En Equateur, l'interêt (enfin celui que j'y vois en tout cas) c'est surtout les volcans. J'y vais en aout pour faire l'ascension du Cotopaxi et du Chimborazo. Pour ce qui est chaines de montagnes je te conseille le Pérou. La cordillère Royale en Bolivie semble belle, mais pas autant que ce que tu trouveras au Pérou. La cordillère Blanche est la plus connue et c'est celle qui compte le plus grand nombre de gros (et beaux) sommets. Il parait que l'ascension du Pisco (5700 m je crois) vaut vraiment la peine pour le panorama offert depuis le sommet. La cordillère de Huayhuash est juste en dessous de la cordillère Blanche, elle est plus petite et offre des paysages du même type. Il est possible de faire un (long) trek qui couvre les 2. La cordillère de Vilcabamba (du côté du Machu Picchu) est plus basse, les dénivelés sont par contre importants, moins de gros sommet (à part le Salcantay). La cordillère de Vilcanota (celle que j'ai fait l'été dernier) est à part : très isolée, sans vallées profondes, grands espaces garantis, des beaux sommets (Ausangate, Pico Tres, Colpa Ananta, Chumpe, Montura) et des belles lagunes (Sibinacocha, Singrenacocha par ex). Attention par contre à l'acclimatation : le départ des treks (Tinqui le plus souvent) est à 3900 m et la suite jamais en dessous de 4500 m, la partie de la cordillère dans laquelle se situe la laguna Sibinacocha est au minimum à 4900 m.... Pour ce qui est des rencontres avec les population locales, tu ne croiseras quasiment personne à Vilcanota.
Tu trouveras sur mon site quelques photos de Vilcanota et de l'Atacama/Sud Lipez si ça t'intéresse.
Bon voyage !
Nicolas
Il y a beaucoup de types de paysages différents et donc de treks possibles au Pérou, Bolivie et Equateur, c'est une question de choix ou de gouts. Dans le Sud Lipez (Sud ouest de la Bolivie) et l'Atacama (Nord du Chili) tu verras des paysages d'une autre planète : salars, lagunes, volcans. La traversée du sud Lipez et le Salar d'Uyuni sont tout simplement fantastiques. Par contre les distances sont grandes et les "vrais" treks pas vraiment possibles, ça serait plutôt des marches à la journée entrecoupées de longues journée en 4*4. En Equateur, l'interêt (enfin celui que j'y vois en tout cas) c'est surtout les volcans. J'y vais en aout pour faire l'ascension du Cotopaxi et du Chimborazo. Pour ce qui est chaines de montagnes je te conseille le Pérou. La cordillère Royale en Bolivie semble belle, mais pas autant que ce que tu trouveras au Pérou. La cordillère Blanche est la plus connue et c'est celle qui compte le plus grand nombre de gros (et beaux) sommets. Il parait que l'ascension du Pisco (5700 m je crois) vaut vraiment la peine pour le panorama offert depuis le sommet. La cordillère de Huayhuash est juste en dessous de la cordillère Blanche, elle est plus petite et offre des paysages du même type. Il est possible de faire un (long) trek qui couvre les 2. La cordillère de Vilcabamba (du côté du Machu Picchu) est plus basse, les dénivelés sont par contre importants, moins de gros sommet (à part le Salcantay). La cordillère de Vilcanota (celle que j'ai fait l'été dernier) est à part : très isolée, sans vallées profondes, grands espaces garantis, des beaux sommets (Ausangate, Pico Tres, Colpa Ananta, Chumpe, Montura) et des belles lagunes (Sibinacocha, Singrenacocha par ex). Attention par contre à l'acclimatation : le départ des treks (Tinqui le plus souvent) est à 3900 m et la suite jamais en dessous de 4500 m, la partie de la cordillère dans laquelle se situe la laguna Sibinacocha est au minimum à 4900 m.... Pour ce qui est des rencontres avec les population locales, tu ne croiseras quasiment personne à Vilcanota.
Tu trouveras sur mon site quelques photos de Vilcanota et de l'Atacama/Sud Lipez si ça t'intéresse.
Bon voyage !
Nicolas
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We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro