La faim dans le monde mythe ou realite?
by Blackhawk
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Salut à tous!
Ceci n'est pas un appel à la révolution ou je ne sais quoi...... je ne juge pas, je constate, j'essaye par ce topic de prendre conscience de choses et de me rappeler que je suis un privilégié, que nous sommes des privilégiés...... et qu'il est quelquefois bon de parler de choses trop souvent enfouies et enterrées même si le sujet reste très très difficile.
Que penser de nos sociétés occidentales (France, NZ, USA.....), sont-t-elles des modèles? Progressons-nous? Que penser de nos vies? Pouvons-nous être fiers de nos démocraties? De nos pays? De nos sociétés? Faisons-nous beaucoup pour les pays pauvres et les gens dans le besoin?
Une question que je pose à tout le monde, d'après vous est-t-il possible à l'heure actuelle sur notre planète d'erradiquer la faim, de loger décemment l'ensemble des populations et de combattre les grandes épidémies? L'ecart entre riches et pauvres augmente-t-il?
Avant de répondre à toutes ces questions, quelques chiffres officiels du PNUD (Programme des Nations Unies pour le Développement).
Sur les 4, 6 milliards d'habitants des pays en développement: 850 millions sont analphabètes Près d' un milliard n'ont pas accès à des points d'eau aménagés 2, 4 milliards n'ont pas accès à une infrastructure sanitaire élémentaire. 325 millions d'enfants sont non scolarisés 11 millions d'enfants de - 5 ans succombent chaque année à des maladies et autres fléaux pour lesquels existe pourtant une prophylaxie ou une solution (cela représente + de 30 000 décès quotidiens). Quelques 1, 2 milliard d'individus ont moins de 1 dollar par jour pour vivre et 2, 8 milliard moins de 2 dollars par jour.
Vous me direz, ces chiffres sont énormes et catastrophiques mais pouvons nous faire quelque chose à cela? Nous faisons déjà un maximun pour ces pays-là, n'est ce pas? Le croyez-vous vraiment?
Savez-vous qu'il ne faudrait que 40 milliards de dollars par an pour éradiquer la faim dans le monde, permettre l'accès à l'eau potable pour tous, loger tout le monde décemment et combattre les grandes épidémies!!!!!! (chiffre officiel du PNUD). Soit 10 fois moins que les dépenses mondiales de publicité!!!!!!
Je repose ma question pouvons-nous être fiers de nos sociétés????
Autre chose, connaissez-vous le classement "FORBES"? C'est un magazine américain qui publie chaque année le classement officiel des milliardaires dans le monde!!! Et les conclusions que l'on peut tirer de ce classement donnent beaucoup à réfléchir, voyez plutôt......
Il y avait 476 milliardaires en 2003, 587 en 2004 et 691en 2005. En 2004 la fortune totale des 587 milliardaires était de 1, 9 Trillions de dollars, elle a augmenté de 500 milliards de dollars de 2003 à 2004. De 2004 à 2005, la moyenne de la fortune des milliardaires est passée de 2, 9 milliards de dollars à 3, 2 milliards de dollars.
En tête de ce classement en 2005, nous trouvons Bill Gates avec une fortune estimée à 46, 5 milliards de dollars (soit plus que les PIB cumulés des 170 pays les plus pauvres!!!!!), tiens tiens, il pourrait, s'il le voulait, eradiquer la faim dans le monde, permettre l'accès à l'eau potable pour tous, loger décemment les peuples dans le besoin et combattre les grandes épidémies pendant une année..., mais bon, me direz vous, il ne lui resterait après que 6 milliars de dollars..... et qui peut vivre avec ça de nos jours...
Tout ces chiffres sont officiels et vrais (voir PNUD et FORBES), pourtant qui en parle???? La fin dans le monde, l'accès à l'eau potable pour tous, est-ce un problème??? Absolument pas!!!!!!
Je laisserai à chacun le soin de faire ses propres conclusions mais voici les miennes:
Nos sociétés sont-t-elles des modèles? Oui, sans aucun doute, si on ne fait pas partie des 4, 6 milliards de personnes que nous laissons crever sans aucune pitié.......
Progressons nous? J'en suis vraiment pas sûr.........
Pouvons nous être fiers de nos démocraties? De nos pays? De nos sociétés? Sachant que nous détruisons à petit feu notre planète, éradiquons des espèces entières d'animaux et laissons dans la précarité la plus totale les 2/3 de la population de la planète et que nos soucis quotidiens se limitent à savoir si notre dernier appareil photo numérique va être compatible avec notre PC ou quelle sera l'histoire du prochain Harry Potter....., non je pense qu'il n'y a pas beaucoup de raisons d'être fiers.......
Faisons-nous beaucoup pour les gens dans le besoin? Je crois que répondre oui à cette question, c'est vraiment être aveugle......
Mais une chose est sûre, si dans l'avenir la haine de nombreuses personnes augmente envers nos sociétés, si le terrorisme progresse encore et toujours et si après une "grande catastrophe" nos sociétés s'écroulent et que personne nous tend la main, il ne faudra pas pleurer..........
Nous jugeons l'histoire et nous nous ventons d'avoir un modèle de société plus performant que par le passé, nous nous levons tous devant les massacres des indiens d'Amérique, la colonisation de l'Amerique du Sud (éradication des incas....), de l'Australie, de la Nouvelle Zélande.....et j'en passe. Nous avons resisté et nous nous sommes battus contre le nazisme, qui a fait, je le rappelle, 60 millions de morts dont 10 millions d'innocents massacrés dans les camps de concentration, mais personne ne s'émoie des 11 millions d'enfants de moins de 5 ans qui meurent chaque année de maladies alors que nous avons les médicaments et le savoir pour les soigner......... Cela me semble être un massacre, indirectement peut être, mais un massacre quand même!!! Et là, peu de gens crient au scandale ou essayent de changer les choses et le pire est, je crois, que nous jugeons nos sociétés comme bonnes et bienveillantes................drôle de chose qu'est l'histoire.......
Vous pouvez ne pas partager ma vision de nos sociétés et de nos vies, je fais seulement un constat, auxquel moi aussi je participe, mais on ne peut ignorer l'état actuel des choses....Alors parlons en autour de nous, parce que en prendre conscience est déjà un premier pas vers une amélioration.......
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Nico
Et des chiffres yen a d'autres: l'écart entre le Nord et le Sud a doublé depuis 40 ans: toujours plus d'inégalité.... 1/3 de la population mondiale infectée de la tuberculose Egalement 1/3 de la population mondiale souffre de malnutritionLes réserves d'eau douce ont diminuées de 50% en 30 ans......😮😮😮😮😮
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On se dit tous qu'on voudrait faire quelque chose... Mais qui fait quelque chose???
Vous allez me dire: Mais que faire? On ne peut pas tous partir là bas pour les aider. je vais pas non plus leur envoyer mon sandwich...
Je vais faire un peu de pub pour mon job en ce moment: trouver des donateurs réguliers pour des ONG. Il y a des ONG exeptionnelles, qui font un boulot monstre
Non la faim dans le monde n'est pas un mythe, l'extrême pauvreté non plus. Et il y a des moyens d'agir! Donner de l'argent à des ONG sérieuses (comme celle ou je bosse : CARE internationale, mais il y en a plein d'autres: Action contre la faim, MDM, ...) c'est AGIR. Ce n'est pas se donner bonne conscience, mais c'est s'impliquer concrètement et là où on a besoin de nous.
Voilà je conseille à tous ceux qui sont sensibles à ces actions qui visent à une plus grande justice sociale, à lutter contre la faim, la pauvreté, l'inégalité, et pour l'accès pour tous aux DROITS ELEMENTAIRES (eau, nourriture, éducation, santé, droits de la personne humaine) d'aller aux bouts de ces idées en contactant une de ces associations et en leur proposant de les aider, tous les mois. Même 10 euros par mois ça fait une différence. C'est la régularité qi permet aux ONG d'être réactives et indépendantes politiquement et religieusement. C'est aussi le soutien financier, à la hauteur de ses moyens, de chacun qui donne un poid et une légitimité à leurs actions.
Bon là je me suis emballée😄 mais c'est une cause à laquelle je crois et pour laquelle je me bats. Oui on peut tous changer quelque chose à ce q'on voit à la télé. Oui on peut changer quelquechose à la misère et à la faim. Oui on peut tous agir sur le développement durable. Oui, ensemble, on a du poid sur la scène politique internationale par cet engagement financier. Même minime.
Voilà 🙂
MILITEZ POUR UN MONDE PLUS JUSTE.......
On se dit tous qu'on voudrait faire quelque chose... Mais qui fait quelque chose???
Vous allez me dire: Mais que faire? On ne peut pas tous partir là bas pour les aider. je vais pas non plus leur envoyer mon sandwich...
Je vais faire un peu de pub pour mon job en ce moment: trouver des donateurs réguliers pour des ONG. Il y a des ONG exeptionnelles, qui font un boulot monstre
Non la faim dans le monde n'est pas un mythe, l'extrême pauvreté non plus. Et il y a des moyens d'agir! Donner de l'argent à des ONG sérieuses (comme celle ou je bosse : CARE internationale, mais il y en a plein d'autres: Action contre la faim, MDM, ...) c'est AGIR. Ce n'est pas se donner bonne conscience, mais c'est s'impliquer concrètement et là où on a besoin de nous.
Voilà je conseille à tous ceux qui sont sensibles à ces actions qui visent à une plus grande justice sociale, à lutter contre la faim, la pauvreté, l'inégalité, et pour l'accès pour tous aux DROITS ELEMENTAIRES (eau, nourriture, éducation, santé, droits de la personne humaine) d'aller aux bouts de ces idées en contactant une de ces associations et en leur proposant de les aider, tous les mois. Même 10 euros par mois ça fait une différence. C'est la régularité qi permet aux ONG d'être réactives et indépendantes politiquement et religieusement. C'est aussi le soutien financier, à la hauteur de ses moyens, de chacun qui donne un poid et une légitimité à leurs actions.
Bon là je me suis emballée😄 mais c'est une cause à laquelle je crois et pour laquelle je me bats. Oui on peut tous changer quelque chose à ce q'on voit à la télé. Oui on peut changer quelquechose à la misère et à la faim. Oui on peut tous agir sur le développement durable. Oui, ensemble, on a du poid sur la scène politique internationale par cet engagement financier. Même minime.
Voilà 🙂
MILITEZ POUR UN MONDE PLUS JUSTE.......
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Oui vanileabrico dans l'absolu tu as raison.
Mais Blackhawk posait une autre question qui a aussi son importance. Qui est même primordiale à mon avis : doit-on par le biais des ONG ( sur le pediree desquelles il faut vraiment se renseigner ) exporter nos modes de vie et nos organisations sociales ? Sommes nous absolument certains qu'elles soient le meilleur modèle ? Quel but recherchons nous ? Que se passerait-il si 10 millards de personnes consommaient autant d'eau ou d'énergie qu'un citoyen Français ?
N'y a-t-il pas aussi, et de toute urgence des mesures à prendre dans les pays dits développés ? Que penser d'un "progrès " qui ne se fait que par le biais de la consommation sans cesse stimulée ? Que veut-on au juste apporter aux pays pauvres ?
Mais Blackhawk posait une autre question qui a aussi son importance. Qui est même primordiale à mon avis : doit-on par le biais des ONG ( sur le pediree desquelles il faut vraiment se renseigner ) exporter nos modes de vie et nos organisations sociales ? Sommes nous absolument certains qu'elles soient le meilleur modèle ? Quel but recherchons nous ? Que se passerait-il si 10 millards de personnes consommaient autant d'eau ou d'énergie qu'un citoyen Français ?
N'y a-t-il pas aussi, et de toute urgence des mesures à prendre dans les pays dits développés ? Que penser d'un "progrès " qui ne se fait que par le biais de la consommation sans cesse stimulée ? Que veut-on au juste apporter aux pays pauvres ?
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Blackhawk : Savez-vous qu'il ne faudrait que 40 milliards de dollars par an pour éradiquer la faim dans le monde, permettre l'accès à l'eau potable pour tous, loger tout le monde décemment et combattre les grandes épidémies!
Que cet argent soit necessaire, c'est une certitude - ce qui plaide en faveur de la Taxe Tobin (la taxe de Chirac sur le billet d'avion est un premier pas en ce sens). Mais qu'il soit suffisant, je ne pense pas. Car il faut voir comment l'argent des aides est utilisé. Il y a encore trop de dictateurs ou de pseudo-democrates corrompus, dans le tiers-monde, qui detournent l'aide internationale a leur profit. Donc l'efficacité des aides passe pour une democratisation et une lutte contre la corruption dans ces pays. Mais rien n'est simple : dans certains pays arabes, par exemples, une dictature laique est le seul rempart contre un islamisme qui s'imposerait en cas d'election. Pas evident de gerer tout cela (on le voit avec les difficultés des Americains en Irak) ; c'est un travail de longue haleine.
Blackhawk encore : Pouvons nous être fiers de nos démocraties? De nos pays? De nos sociétés? Sachant que nous détruisons à petit feu notre planète, éradiquons des espèces entières d'animaux et laissons dans la précarité la plus totale les 2/3 de la population de la planète et que nos soucis quotidiens se limitent à savoir si notre dernier appareil photo numérique va être compatible avec notre PC ou quelle sera l'histoire du prochain Harry Potter....., non je pense qu'il n'y a pas beaucoup de raisons d'être fiers.......
Tout d'abord je pense qu'il faut se mefier des jugements globalisants. Certains aspects de la civilisation occidentale peuvent revendiquer d'etre des modeles pour les autres pays : democratie, liberté de la presse, relative prosperité economique due au systeme capitaliste, tolerance religieuse... Et certains autres aspects ne sont certainement pas des exemples a suivre. L'aspect société de consommation, par exemple : on sait tres bien que la Terre ne pourra pas resister a 6 milliards d'etres humains qui consomment de maniere aussi gloutonne que nous. L'epuisement des ressources et les bouleversements climatiques font que la sanctification du toujours plus de consommation et de croissance n'est pas viable a long terme. Non seulement les pays du tiers-monde ne devraient pas faire la meme erreur que nous (le developpement de la Chine inquiete a ce titre), mais nous-memes devront corriger le tir et faire evoluer notre propre comportement. L'epuisement iminente des ressources de petrole va mettre en evidence cette necessité.
vanillabrico : Voilà je conseille à tous ceux qui sont sensibles à ces actions qui visent à une plus grande justice sociale, à lutter contre la faim, la pauvreté, l'inégalité, et pour l'accès pour tous aux DROITS ELEMENTAIRES (eau, nourriture, éducation, santé, droits de la personne humaine) d'aller aux bouts de ces idées en contactant une de ces associations et en leur proposant de les aider, tous les mois. Même 10 euros par mois ça fait une différence. C'est la régularité qi permet aux ONG d'être réactives et indépendantes politiquement et religieusement.
Bon, je vais en choquer plus d'un, mais je suis completement contre cette mise en valeur des ONG. Je pense qu'elles ont un effet pervers : elles conduisent a accepter la misere tout en se donnant bonne conscience en donnant pour les pauvres. C'est de la charité, et je prefere la solidarité. D'ailleurs, les ONG n'ont jamais ete aussi puissantes, et les inegalités et la misere n'ont jamais ete aussi criantes depuis les annees 70. Regardez les Restos du Coeur. Vous me direz que ce n'est pas la faute des ONG qu'il y a de la misere, mais que c'est a cause de la misere qu'il y a les ONG. C'est vrai, mais je pense que l'inverse aussi est vrai : plus les ONG s'occupent des necessiteux (en nationale comme en international), plus les gouvernements demissionnent de leurs responsabilités, en se disant que ce n'est pas la peine d'agir sur le fond, puisqu'il y a les ONG pour panser les plaies. Or les ONG ne traitent pas les problemes de fond : elles ne font justement que panser les plaies une fois le mal fait. Si je voulais faire du mauvais esprit, je dirais que la misere est un peu leur fond de commerce.
Prenez le Telethon. 100 millions d'euros chaque annee pour la recherche. Tres bien ? Sauf que dans le meme temps, c'est de 3 milliards d'euros que le gouvernement fait cadeau aux plus riches en modifiant l'ISF. Si on avait mis ne serait-ce que la moitié de cette somme dans la recherche (au lieu de baisser l'impot des plus riches et d'organiser des manifestations qui laissent le choix de la charité aux volontaires), on aurait largement enfoncé le resultat du Telethon ! Dans ma conception de la solidarité, tout le monde doit contribuer par l'impot, selon ses moyens, a la solidarités. Ce n'est pas une affaire de volontariat. La vraie solidarité, ce n'est pas donner parce qu'on est de bonne humeur (on s'est levé du bon pied, ce matin). C'est accepter de payer plus d'impots en toute circonstance pour que ce qui doit etre fait soit fait, si necessaire. La banalisation des ONG, en ce sens, est extremement pernitieux.
En revanche, je suis favorables aux associations non pas agissantes, mais militantes. Celles qui se battent pour que les droits elementaires dont tu parles soient respectés.
Pour en revenir a ces droits elementaires, je pense que certains secteurs vitaux pour l'etre humain devraient etre declarés hors du marché. Elles ne devraient pas etre des marchandises soumises a des imperatifs de rentabilite. L'eau, l'electricite, la santé devraient etre sous la responsabilité des pouvoirs publiques - Etat, unions d'Etats, ONU, gouvernement mondial dans le futur... C'est surement utopique, mais il n'y a qu'a voir le refus des entreprises pharmaceutiques de laisser les pays pauvres de fabriquer des medicaments generiques pour se rendre compte de l'importance d'une telle notion.
Mais ce ne serait efficace, encore une fois, que si les pouvoirs publiques en question sont democratiques et non corrompus. Ce qui nous amene au debut de ma contribution... Et je ne vais pas developper plus, parce que ca ferait trop de politique, or apparemment la politique n'est pas appreciee sur ce forum ! 😛
Que cet argent soit necessaire, c'est une certitude - ce qui plaide en faveur de la Taxe Tobin (la taxe de Chirac sur le billet d'avion est un premier pas en ce sens). Mais qu'il soit suffisant, je ne pense pas. Car il faut voir comment l'argent des aides est utilisé. Il y a encore trop de dictateurs ou de pseudo-democrates corrompus, dans le tiers-monde, qui detournent l'aide internationale a leur profit. Donc l'efficacité des aides passe pour une democratisation et une lutte contre la corruption dans ces pays. Mais rien n'est simple : dans certains pays arabes, par exemples, une dictature laique est le seul rempart contre un islamisme qui s'imposerait en cas d'election. Pas evident de gerer tout cela (on le voit avec les difficultés des Americains en Irak) ; c'est un travail de longue haleine.
Blackhawk encore : Pouvons nous être fiers de nos démocraties? De nos pays? De nos sociétés? Sachant que nous détruisons à petit feu notre planète, éradiquons des espèces entières d'animaux et laissons dans la précarité la plus totale les 2/3 de la population de la planète et que nos soucis quotidiens se limitent à savoir si notre dernier appareil photo numérique va être compatible avec notre PC ou quelle sera l'histoire du prochain Harry Potter....., non je pense qu'il n'y a pas beaucoup de raisons d'être fiers.......
Tout d'abord je pense qu'il faut se mefier des jugements globalisants. Certains aspects de la civilisation occidentale peuvent revendiquer d'etre des modeles pour les autres pays : democratie, liberté de la presse, relative prosperité economique due au systeme capitaliste, tolerance religieuse... Et certains autres aspects ne sont certainement pas des exemples a suivre. L'aspect société de consommation, par exemple : on sait tres bien que la Terre ne pourra pas resister a 6 milliards d'etres humains qui consomment de maniere aussi gloutonne que nous. L'epuisement des ressources et les bouleversements climatiques font que la sanctification du toujours plus de consommation et de croissance n'est pas viable a long terme. Non seulement les pays du tiers-monde ne devraient pas faire la meme erreur que nous (le developpement de la Chine inquiete a ce titre), mais nous-memes devront corriger le tir et faire evoluer notre propre comportement. L'epuisement iminente des ressources de petrole va mettre en evidence cette necessité.
vanillabrico : Voilà je conseille à tous ceux qui sont sensibles à ces actions qui visent à une plus grande justice sociale, à lutter contre la faim, la pauvreté, l'inégalité, et pour l'accès pour tous aux DROITS ELEMENTAIRES (eau, nourriture, éducation, santé, droits de la personne humaine) d'aller aux bouts de ces idées en contactant une de ces associations et en leur proposant de les aider, tous les mois. Même 10 euros par mois ça fait une différence. C'est la régularité qi permet aux ONG d'être réactives et indépendantes politiquement et religieusement.
Bon, je vais en choquer plus d'un, mais je suis completement contre cette mise en valeur des ONG. Je pense qu'elles ont un effet pervers : elles conduisent a accepter la misere tout en se donnant bonne conscience en donnant pour les pauvres. C'est de la charité, et je prefere la solidarité. D'ailleurs, les ONG n'ont jamais ete aussi puissantes, et les inegalités et la misere n'ont jamais ete aussi criantes depuis les annees 70. Regardez les Restos du Coeur. Vous me direz que ce n'est pas la faute des ONG qu'il y a de la misere, mais que c'est a cause de la misere qu'il y a les ONG. C'est vrai, mais je pense que l'inverse aussi est vrai : plus les ONG s'occupent des necessiteux (en nationale comme en international), plus les gouvernements demissionnent de leurs responsabilités, en se disant que ce n'est pas la peine d'agir sur le fond, puisqu'il y a les ONG pour panser les plaies. Or les ONG ne traitent pas les problemes de fond : elles ne font justement que panser les plaies une fois le mal fait. Si je voulais faire du mauvais esprit, je dirais que la misere est un peu leur fond de commerce.
Prenez le Telethon. 100 millions d'euros chaque annee pour la recherche. Tres bien ? Sauf que dans le meme temps, c'est de 3 milliards d'euros que le gouvernement fait cadeau aux plus riches en modifiant l'ISF. Si on avait mis ne serait-ce que la moitié de cette somme dans la recherche (au lieu de baisser l'impot des plus riches et d'organiser des manifestations qui laissent le choix de la charité aux volontaires), on aurait largement enfoncé le resultat du Telethon ! Dans ma conception de la solidarité, tout le monde doit contribuer par l'impot, selon ses moyens, a la solidarités. Ce n'est pas une affaire de volontariat. La vraie solidarité, ce n'est pas donner parce qu'on est de bonne humeur (on s'est levé du bon pied, ce matin). C'est accepter de payer plus d'impots en toute circonstance pour que ce qui doit etre fait soit fait, si necessaire. La banalisation des ONG, en ce sens, est extremement pernitieux.
En revanche, je suis favorables aux associations non pas agissantes, mais militantes. Celles qui se battent pour que les droits elementaires dont tu parles soient respectés.
Pour en revenir a ces droits elementaires, je pense que certains secteurs vitaux pour l'etre humain devraient etre declarés hors du marché. Elles ne devraient pas etre des marchandises soumises a des imperatifs de rentabilite. L'eau, l'electricite, la santé devraient etre sous la responsabilité des pouvoirs publiques - Etat, unions d'Etats, ONU, gouvernement mondial dans le futur... C'est surement utopique, mais il n'y a qu'a voir le refus des entreprises pharmaceutiques de laisser les pays pauvres de fabriquer des medicaments generiques pour se rendre compte de l'importance d'une telle notion.
Mais ce ne serait efficace, encore une fois, que si les pouvoirs publiques en question sont democratiques et non corrompus. Ce qui nous amene au debut de ma contribution... Et je ne vais pas developper plus, parce que ca ferait trop de politique, or apparemment la politique n'est pas appreciee sur ce forum ! 😛
Dur dur!! A la fois tellement d'accord et tellement pas d'accord!!
La question que posait Blackhawk était la bonne: doit être fiers de notre système aussi développé (Surdéveloppé ne doit on pas dire?). Bien sur que nous pourissons notre planète. Qu'elle sera invivable très bientôt et qu'on ne fait rien de significatif pour changer ça. Pourquoi?? pour l'argent, bien sur. Et par égoisme. Bien sur qu'on est une société au rapport à l'autre, à la consommation, plus que douteuse...
Et c'est ça qu'on veut exporter comme modèle à l'étranger??? Moi non. Personne je crois.
Bon ben alors puisque "c'est pas si simple", puisque l'argent risque d'etre corrompu, puisque on fait le travail que devraient faire les états, on arrête ça. Ok, mais ON FAIT QUOI?????? Les ong ont des problèmes, et elles ont évoluées avec ces réflexions, mais elles font quelque chose. De juste. Je suis prête à écouter tout argument si on me propose une autre possibilité d'action. Mais les associations mlitantes et non agissantes, désolée, mais c'est pas ma tasse de thé. On a assez de gens bien pensant qui disent que le monde est pourri. Qu'il faudrait faire les choses autrement, .... Que font ils?
En attendant, je parle d'extrême pauvreté: moins de 1$ par jour par personne pour vivre: avec toutes les problématiques que ça comporte et qui snt liées: santé, éducation, droits de l'homme, eau, nourriture, toit...DIGNITE. 1, 3 milliard de personnes sont concernées.
Je parle de personnes qui meurent de faim, de soif, de maladie, du SIDA ou autre, ...
Tu critiques les ONG mais tu fais quoi???
Les ONG ont aussi le pouvoir de changer les choses. A titre d'exemple, l'ONG pour laquelle je bosse (énorme en terme de budget, de nombre d'adhérents et de nombres programmes d'action) a réussi à faire modifier les lois en Afganistan en ce concerne la scolarisation des filles. Après un travail, avec les population afganes, pendant 40 ans, elle a acquis une certaine crédibilité auprès des talibans, et un certain poid. Cette collaboration a permis l'ouverture de l'instruction aux filles. Et ça, l'égalité homme femme, c'est une des bonnes choses de notre société si corrompue. Je trouve ce résultat énorme. Bluffant.
De la même façon, une ONG qui a 130 000 foyers donateurs par an, en france, (donc environ 500000 personnes) ben c'est autant de consommateurs et d'électeurs. Il y a donc moyen d'exercer une réelle pression sur le fameu système, politique et économique, en place.
Enfin, de plus en plus, l'objectif des ONG n'est pas d'exporter un modèle mais de responsabiliser les populations vulnérables. Les projets viennent d'eux. Ils sont mis en oeuvre par des professionnels essentiellemen issus du pays. On envoie de moins en moins d'expatriés. On exporte oui, mais des compétences techniques, on forme et on leur permet ainsi leur autonomie. Bref ya du travail en ce sens.
Alors prendre le risque de faire des erreurs, ou ne rien faire du tout?
Ca n'est pas une question de bonne conscience. C'est une démarche, c'est des valeurs auxquelles on croit. C'est un privilège qu'on n'a pas le droit d'oublier ou d'enselir sous du blabla improductif....
Le prend pas de façon personnelle, c'est juste que c'est une cause qui me tient beaucoup à coeur... Je suis persuadée de la nécessité d'agir. AUssi bien qu'on le peut.
Là bas, et ici aussi bien sur: l'exclusion, la pollution, la consommation de massse, l'épuisement des ressources naturelles...... C'est un combat à mener sur tous les fronts à la fois. Mais surtout c'est un combat à mener à tout prix....
PS: l'Afrique du sud a gagné son combat contre les entreprises pharmaceutique, certainement pas grâce aux états occidentaux qui avaient tout autant intérêt à interdire les médicaments génériques.... Grâce aux ONG qui ont de plus en plus de poid et ça c'est bien!!
La question que posait Blackhawk était la bonne: doit être fiers de notre système aussi développé (Surdéveloppé ne doit on pas dire?). Bien sur que nous pourissons notre planète. Qu'elle sera invivable très bientôt et qu'on ne fait rien de significatif pour changer ça. Pourquoi?? pour l'argent, bien sur. Et par égoisme. Bien sur qu'on est une société au rapport à l'autre, à la consommation, plus que douteuse...
Et c'est ça qu'on veut exporter comme modèle à l'étranger??? Moi non. Personne je crois.
Bon ben alors puisque "c'est pas si simple", puisque l'argent risque d'etre corrompu, puisque on fait le travail que devraient faire les états, on arrête ça. Ok, mais ON FAIT QUOI?????? Les ong ont des problèmes, et elles ont évoluées avec ces réflexions, mais elles font quelque chose. De juste. Je suis prête à écouter tout argument si on me propose une autre possibilité d'action. Mais les associations mlitantes et non agissantes, désolée, mais c'est pas ma tasse de thé. On a assez de gens bien pensant qui disent que le monde est pourri. Qu'il faudrait faire les choses autrement, .... Que font ils?
En attendant, je parle d'extrême pauvreté: moins de 1$ par jour par personne pour vivre: avec toutes les problématiques que ça comporte et qui snt liées: santé, éducation, droits de l'homme, eau, nourriture, toit...DIGNITE. 1, 3 milliard de personnes sont concernées.
Je parle de personnes qui meurent de faim, de soif, de maladie, du SIDA ou autre, ...
Tu critiques les ONG mais tu fais quoi???
Les ONG ont aussi le pouvoir de changer les choses. A titre d'exemple, l'ONG pour laquelle je bosse (énorme en terme de budget, de nombre d'adhérents et de nombres programmes d'action) a réussi à faire modifier les lois en Afganistan en ce concerne la scolarisation des filles. Après un travail, avec les population afganes, pendant 40 ans, elle a acquis une certaine crédibilité auprès des talibans, et un certain poid. Cette collaboration a permis l'ouverture de l'instruction aux filles. Et ça, l'égalité homme femme, c'est une des bonnes choses de notre société si corrompue. Je trouve ce résultat énorme. Bluffant.
De la même façon, une ONG qui a 130 000 foyers donateurs par an, en france, (donc environ 500000 personnes) ben c'est autant de consommateurs et d'électeurs. Il y a donc moyen d'exercer une réelle pression sur le fameu système, politique et économique, en place.
Enfin, de plus en plus, l'objectif des ONG n'est pas d'exporter un modèle mais de responsabiliser les populations vulnérables. Les projets viennent d'eux. Ils sont mis en oeuvre par des professionnels essentiellemen issus du pays. On envoie de moins en moins d'expatriés. On exporte oui, mais des compétences techniques, on forme et on leur permet ainsi leur autonomie. Bref ya du travail en ce sens.
Alors prendre le risque de faire des erreurs, ou ne rien faire du tout?
Ca n'est pas une question de bonne conscience. C'est une démarche, c'est des valeurs auxquelles on croit. C'est un privilège qu'on n'a pas le droit d'oublier ou d'enselir sous du blabla improductif....
Le prend pas de façon personnelle, c'est juste que c'est une cause qui me tient beaucoup à coeur... Je suis persuadée de la nécessité d'agir. AUssi bien qu'on le peut.
Là bas, et ici aussi bien sur: l'exclusion, la pollution, la consommation de massse, l'épuisement des ressources naturelles...... C'est un combat à mener sur tous les fronts à la fois. Mais surtout c'est un combat à mener à tout prix....
PS: l'Afrique du sud a gagné son combat contre les entreprises pharmaceutique, certainement pas grâce aux états occidentaux qui avaient tout autant intérêt à interdire les médicaments génériques.... Grâce aux ONG qui ont de plus en plus de poid et ça c'est bien!!
Mon nouveau blog pour tous mes voyages en cours et a venir http://vanillabricot.canalblog.com
Mon ancien blog retracant un an de vie au Japon et un voyage de 3 mois du Japon a la Francehttp://vanillabricot.oldiblog.com
Mon ancien blog retracant un an de vie au Japon et un voyage de 3 mois du Japon a la Francehttp://vanillabricot.oldiblog.com
Je fais "Répondre à Vanillabrico" parce que je ne peux pas faire "Répondre à tous".
Ce sujet n'a que très peu de rapport avec les voyages, et nous discutons de plus en plus de politique sur VF (je dis bien "nous", car je suis très actif dans ce détournement). On pourrait même discuter de cette évolution assez récente: pourquoi? qui? comment? 🤪 Ce qui est sûr, c'est que VF ne doit pas devenir un forum de politique. A moins de créer un nouvel espace de discussion "politique et voyage", où on pourrait parler politique tant que ça a un rapport plus ou moins fort avec les voyages (comme "Honte de ma Banlieue", ou "Chomage rime avec voyage"). Tiens, faudrait demander ça au Grand Chef.😛
En attendant, je voudrais répondre en détails aux derniers postes, et je me force pour ne pas le faire. Le mieux est d'en discuter en privé. J'ai des réponses à apporter, notamment sur la notion de décroissance, et sur les notions de long terme / court terme. Je ne peux, ni ne souhaite faire directement de pub, ou de prosélitisme politique ici, je le répète, ce serait malvenu. Alors écrivez moi en privé: sergemang@hotmail.fr et on pourrait chatter en attendant de créer un forum de la même qualité que VF, qui s'appellerait PF, et qui regroupperait des gens aussi chouettes que la majorité des VF-autes. Pour le moment, je n'ai pas d'autre solution technique à apporter.
Bref, on s'appelle et on déjeune!!
Ce sujet n'a que très peu de rapport avec les voyages, et nous discutons de plus en plus de politique sur VF (je dis bien "nous", car je suis très actif dans ce détournement). On pourrait même discuter de cette évolution assez récente: pourquoi? qui? comment? 🤪 Ce qui est sûr, c'est que VF ne doit pas devenir un forum de politique. A moins de créer un nouvel espace de discussion "politique et voyage", où on pourrait parler politique tant que ça a un rapport plus ou moins fort avec les voyages (comme "Honte de ma Banlieue", ou "Chomage rime avec voyage"). Tiens, faudrait demander ça au Grand Chef.😛
En attendant, je voudrais répondre en détails aux derniers postes, et je me force pour ne pas le faire. Le mieux est d'en discuter en privé. J'ai des réponses à apporter, notamment sur la notion de décroissance, et sur les notions de long terme / court terme. Je ne peux, ni ne souhaite faire directement de pub, ou de prosélitisme politique ici, je le répète, ce serait malvenu. Alors écrivez moi en privé: sergemang@hotmail.fr et on pourrait chatter en attendant de créer un forum de la même qualité que VF, qui s'appellerait PF, et qui regroupperait des gens aussi chouettes que la majorité des VF-autes. Pour le moment, je n'ai pas d'autre solution technique à apporter.
Bref, on s'appelle et on déjeune!!
Geantropie, Vivre l'espace
http://geantropie.free.fr
Bonjour vanillibrico,
Tout d'abord, je respecte ton engagement dans une OMG, car tu pars d'une bonne intention, celle de vouloir ameliorer le monde, et ca c'est eminemment respectable.
Simplement, je ne suis pas d'accord avec les methodes des ONG non militantes. Je pense que le probleme est avant tout po-li-tique, et qu'on ne resoudra rien avec des rustines. Les ONG sont peut-etre respectables, encore une fois, mais elles ne font que poser le platre, quand la seule maniere de vraiment venir a bout de la misere est de prendre des mesures qui reduisent le nombre de bras cassés. Tu saisis l'image ?
Tu ecris : Tu critiques les ONG mais tu fais quoi??? Mon pouvoir d'action de citoyen, c'est avant tout le vote. On a la chance d'etre en democratie, alors utilisons cette chance.
Tu ecris : Mais les associations mlitantes et non agissantes, désolée, mais c'est pas ma tasse de thé. Or, plus loin, tu dis que ton ONG a reussi a inflechir la loi pakistanaise. C'est donc que tu ne dois pas etre si allergique que cela au militantisme ! En tout cas, ce genre d'action est ce que j'appelle du militantisme, et c'est tres bien.
Apres, pour l'action de charite, c'est sans doute bien ponctuellement quand il y a crise, mais si ca s'installe, ca peut devenir nocif. Ca peut servir les dictateurs locaux, qui vont se trouver cette excuse pour ne pas agir contre les causes de la misere. Il ya bien des exemples ou les ONG se sont fait manipuler par des cirminels.
Prenons le Prix Nobel de la Paix. Ben quand MSF l'a recu, j'etais degouté. Parce que quand j'habitais en Afrique Noire, je les voyais, les petits gars de MSF. Une partie d'entre eux (et ce ne sont pas des cas isolés) venaient surtout dans ces pays pour se taper des jeunes Africaines, en leur promettant de les faire passer en France puis en les jettant quand ils s'en lassaient. En plus, donner le prix Nobel a MSF, c'est trahir ce prix, qui ne devrait aller qu'a ceux qui oeuvrent pour la paix, pas pour ceux qui soignent quand il y a la guerre. Ce sont deux choses differentes.
Tu ecris : En attendant, je parle d'extrême pauvreté: moins de 1$ par jour par personne pour vivre: avec toutes les problématiques que ça comporte et qui snt liées: santé, éducation, droits de l'homme, eau, nourriture, toit...DIGNITE. 1, 3 milliard de personnes sont concernées. Mais crois-tu vraiment que les ONG peuvent venir en aide a ces 1, 3 milliards de personnes ? Pour moi, non. Il faudrait envisager des actions autrement plus ambitieuses que depecher les ONG pour sauver quelques gamins, pendant que les autres crevent sur place.
Les associations militantes ont peut-etre une influence autrement plus enorme sur le cours des choses. Le lobbying de Greenpeace, Droit au Logement, Reporters sans Frontieres ou autres peut changer les choses en profondeur. C'est plutot ce genre d'ONG que je me sentirais de soutenir.
Tout d'abord, je respecte ton engagement dans une OMG, car tu pars d'une bonne intention, celle de vouloir ameliorer le monde, et ca c'est eminemment respectable.
Simplement, je ne suis pas d'accord avec les methodes des ONG non militantes. Je pense que le probleme est avant tout po-li-tique, et qu'on ne resoudra rien avec des rustines. Les ONG sont peut-etre respectables, encore une fois, mais elles ne font que poser le platre, quand la seule maniere de vraiment venir a bout de la misere est de prendre des mesures qui reduisent le nombre de bras cassés. Tu saisis l'image ?
Tu ecris : Tu critiques les ONG mais tu fais quoi??? Mon pouvoir d'action de citoyen, c'est avant tout le vote. On a la chance d'etre en democratie, alors utilisons cette chance.
Tu ecris : Mais les associations mlitantes et non agissantes, désolée, mais c'est pas ma tasse de thé. Or, plus loin, tu dis que ton ONG a reussi a inflechir la loi pakistanaise. C'est donc que tu ne dois pas etre si allergique que cela au militantisme ! En tout cas, ce genre d'action est ce que j'appelle du militantisme, et c'est tres bien.
Apres, pour l'action de charite, c'est sans doute bien ponctuellement quand il y a crise, mais si ca s'installe, ca peut devenir nocif. Ca peut servir les dictateurs locaux, qui vont se trouver cette excuse pour ne pas agir contre les causes de la misere. Il ya bien des exemples ou les ONG se sont fait manipuler par des cirminels.
Prenons le Prix Nobel de la Paix. Ben quand MSF l'a recu, j'etais degouté. Parce que quand j'habitais en Afrique Noire, je les voyais, les petits gars de MSF. Une partie d'entre eux (et ce ne sont pas des cas isolés) venaient surtout dans ces pays pour se taper des jeunes Africaines, en leur promettant de les faire passer en France puis en les jettant quand ils s'en lassaient. En plus, donner le prix Nobel a MSF, c'est trahir ce prix, qui ne devrait aller qu'a ceux qui oeuvrent pour la paix, pas pour ceux qui soignent quand il y a la guerre. Ce sont deux choses differentes.
Tu ecris : En attendant, je parle d'extrême pauvreté: moins de 1$ par jour par personne pour vivre: avec toutes les problématiques que ça comporte et qui snt liées: santé, éducation, droits de l'homme, eau, nourriture, toit...DIGNITE. 1, 3 milliard de personnes sont concernées. Mais crois-tu vraiment que les ONG peuvent venir en aide a ces 1, 3 milliards de personnes ? Pour moi, non. Il faudrait envisager des actions autrement plus ambitieuses que depecher les ONG pour sauver quelques gamins, pendant que les autres crevent sur place.
Les associations militantes ont peut-etre une influence autrement plus enorme sur le cours des choses. Le lobbying de Greenpeace, Droit au Logement, Reporters sans Frontieres ou autres peut changer les choses en profondeur. C'est plutot ce genre d'ONG que je me sentirais de soutenir.
Bon, je vois que ça continue. Alors je continue aussi, si c'est comme ça! Na!
Mais crois-tu vraiment que les ONG peuvent venir en aide a ces 1, 3 milliards de personnes ? Pour moi, non. Il faudrait envisager des actions autrement plus ambitieuses que depecher les ONG pour sauver quelques gamins, pendant que les autres crevent sur place.
Les associations militantes ont peut-etre une influence autrement plus enorme sur le cours des choses. Le lobbying de Greenpeace, Droit au Logement, Reporters sans Frontieres ou autres peut changer les choses en profondeur. C'est plutot ce genre d'ONG que je me sentirais de soutenir.
J'ajouterais une organisation, et non des moindres en terme d'objectif et d'efficacité de l'objectif s'il est un jour atteint: le CADTM (Comité pour l'Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde) dont Ivo parle ici: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=80785 Et leur site est là: http://www.cadtm.org/
Pour agir, on peut choisir le court terme: on soigne la douleur, c'est ce que j'appellerais la morphine. C'est très important, c'est ce que font beaucoup d'ONG. Et c'est mieux quand c'est une morphine sans sequelles, mais malheureusement, il y a de nombreuses ONG, notamment religieuses, qui créent une dépendance forte, c'est le résultat de trop de charité et de trop de prosélitisme. Les évangélistes en Amérique Latine font des dégats irréversibles dans les communautés indigènes sous couleur de leur "venir en aide". Agir dans une ONG efficace et qui ne fait pas plus de dégats qu'elle en répare, c'est le crédo de Vanillibrico.
Il est aussi important d'agir à long terme: on analyse les bras de levier, les faiblesses du système, on met en place un plan d'action réfléchi, on propose des mesures constructives pour s'attaquer aux causes des problèmes. Ca, c'est la politique. C'est le crédo, entre autre, de Nakata.
Agir à long terme, et agir à court terme, en faisant toujours attention aux conséquences de nos actes, ces deux actions sont indispensables.
Agir trop vite, et surtout ne pas agir, c'est le crédo de 99% des gens... Il est même mal vu de parler de politique sur un forum qui n'est pas fait pour cela, et quelque part, je peux le comprendre.
Mais crois-tu vraiment que les ONG peuvent venir en aide a ces 1, 3 milliards de personnes ? Pour moi, non. Il faudrait envisager des actions autrement plus ambitieuses que depecher les ONG pour sauver quelques gamins, pendant que les autres crevent sur place.
Les associations militantes ont peut-etre une influence autrement plus enorme sur le cours des choses. Le lobbying de Greenpeace, Droit au Logement, Reporters sans Frontieres ou autres peut changer les choses en profondeur. C'est plutot ce genre d'ONG que je me sentirais de soutenir.
J'ajouterais une organisation, et non des moindres en terme d'objectif et d'efficacité de l'objectif s'il est un jour atteint: le CADTM (Comité pour l'Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde) dont Ivo parle ici: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=80785 Et leur site est là: http://www.cadtm.org/
Pour agir, on peut choisir le court terme: on soigne la douleur, c'est ce que j'appellerais la morphine. C'est très important, c'est ce que font beaucoup d'ONG. Et c'est mieux quand c'est une morphine sans sequelles, mais malheureusement, il y a de nombreuses ONG, notamment religieuses, qui créent une dépendance forte, c'est le résultat de trop de charité et de trop de prosélitisme. Les évangélistes en Amérique Latine font des dégats irréversibles dans les communautés indigènes sous couleur de leur "venir en aide". Agir dans une ONG efficace et qui ne fait pas plus de dégats qu'elle en répare, c'est le crédo de Vanillibrico.
Il est aussi important d'agir à long terme: on analyse les bras de levier, les faiblesses du système, on met en place un plan d'action réfléchi, on propose des mesures constructives pour s'attaquer aux causes des problèmes. Ca, c'est la politique. C'est le crédo, entre autre, de Nakata.
Agir à long terme, et agir à court terme, en faisant toujours attention aux conséquences de nos actes, ces deux actions sont indispensables.
Agir trop vite, et surtout ne pas agir, c'est le crédo de 99% des gens... Il est même mal vu de parler de politique sur un forum qui n'est pas fait pour cela, et quelque part, je peux le comprendre.
Geantropie, Vivre l'espace
http://geantropie.free.fr
Salut loopkin,
je me permet de te repondre sur le fait que tu dis, je te cite
Ce sujet n'a que très peu de rapport avec les voyages, et nous discutons de plus en plus de politique sur VF (je dis bien "nous", car je suis très actif dans ce détournement). On pourrait même discuter de cette évolution assez récente: pourquoi? qui? comment? 🤪 Ce qui est sûr, c'est que VF ne doit pas devenir un forum de politique. A moins de créer un nouvel espace de discussion "politique et voyage", où on pourrait parler politique tant que ça a un rapport plus ou moins fort avec les voyages (comme "Honte de ma Banlieue", ou "Chomage rime avec voyage"). Tiens, faudrait demander ça au Grand Chef.😛
la je suis d'accord avec toi qu'un forum de voyage n'est pas un forum de politique......mais dire que ce sujet n'as que tres peu de rapport avec les voyages....je ne crois pas......en effet, il faut reconnaitre que les "routards" voyagent en grande majorite dans les pays du tiers monde....et ou sont, la grande majorite des pauvres????....pour ma part, je pense qu'il est important que chacun sache ou il va!!! et connaisse la realiter des pays traverses.....(ca peut permettre par exemple sur un marche lors d'un marchandage de ne pas s'obstiner pour quelque cents......sachant peut etre que pour la personne en face ca represente + que quelque cents.....).... De plus, il existe maintenant beaucoup de type de voyage (voyage "routard", voyage "humanitaire"....) et ce type de sujet peut permettre a certain de faire leur choix..... Pour ma part, il me semble, que ce genre de sujet peut servir a connaitre des opinions, des experiances sur des realiters que certain on put voir en "voyage".....
mais bon, ton post donne quand meme a reflechir......
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Nico
je me permet de te repondre sur le fait que tu dis, je te cite
Ce sujet n'a que très peu de rapport avec les voyages, et nous discutons de plus en plus de politique sur VF (je dis bien "nous", car je suis très actif dans ce détournement). On pourrait même discuter de cette évolution assez récente: pourquoi? qui? comment? 🤪 Ce qui est sûr, c'est que VF ne doit pas devenir un forum de politique. A moins de créer un nouvel espace de discussion "politique et voyage", où on pourrait parler politique tant que ça a un rapport plus ou moins fort avec les voyages (comme "Honte de ma Banlieue", ou "Chomage rime avec voyage"). Tiens, faudrait demander ça au Grand Chef.😛
la je suis d'accord avec toi qu'un forum de voyage n'est pas un forum de politique......mais dire que ce sujet n'as que tres peu de rapport avec les voyages....je ne crois pas......en effet, il faut reconnaitre que les "routards" voyagent en grande majorite dans les pays du tiers monde....et ou sont, la grande majorite des pauvres????....pour ma part, je pense qu'il est important que chacun sache ou il va!!! et connaisse la realiter des pays traverses.....(ca peut permettre par exemple sur un marche lors d'un marchandage de ne pas s'obstiner pour quelque cents......sachant peut etre que pour la personne en face ca represente + que quelque cents.....).... De plus, il existe maintenant beaucoup de type de voyage (voyage "routard", voyage "humanitaire"....) et ce type de sujet peut permettre a certain de faire leur choix..... Pour ma part, il me semble, que ce genre de sujet peut servir a connaitre des opinions, des experiances sur des realiters que certain on put voir en "voyage".....
mais bon, ton post donne quand meme a reflechir......
a+
Nico
Je suis complètement d'accord avec toi. Mais bon, je sais que sur ce sujet, il faut rester modéré. Cela choque la sensibilité de voyageurs qui ne sont là que pour parler purement de voyages. Ce que je comprends aussi.
Geantropie, Vivre l'espace
http://geantropie.free.fr
resalut,
au vu des derniers debordement sur ce forum (j'en fait parti.....)....je suis plus que d'accord avec toi.....je me pose de plus en plus la question sur le "bien" fonde de ce type de sujet, sur ce type de forum....... et je pense que je vais dorenavant me concentre sur la section oceanie.......
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Nico
au vu des derniers debordement sur ce forum (j'en fait parti.....)....je suis plus que d'accord avec toi.....je me pose de plus en plus la question sur le "bien" fonde de ce type de sujet, sur ce type de forum....... et je pense que je vais dorenavant me concentre sur la section oceanie.......
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Nico
si je peux me permettre de rajouter, un moyen terme qui me semble aussi important que le court et le long terme..
ex...les sdf ..court terme..nourrir soigner..moyen terme..acceuillir dans des structures d'acceuil potables..long terme..offrir des possibilités de cellule de logement individuel dans un environnement collectif...c'était juste aussi pour continuer..😄
faites que le réve dévore votre vie avant que la vie dévore votre réve, alors vous voyagerez tous les jours ..
J'ajouterais une organisation, et non des moindres en terme d'objectif et d'efficacité de l'objectif s'il est un jour atteint: le CADTM (Comité pour l'Annulation de la Dette du Tiers Monde) dont Ivo parle ici: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=80785
Et leur site est là: http://www.cadtm.org/
Merci ! Et beaucoup d'autres, bien sur...
Bon, je reconnais que mon experience de la question me pousse a adopter une position peut-etre trop severe sur les OGN caritatives...
Merci ! Et beaucoup d'autres, bien sur...
Bon, je reconnais que mon experience de la question me pousse a adopter une position peut-etre trop severe sur les OGN caritatives...
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Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?